Cyprus 1974 - Cyprus Trust !!!

wackyjim



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Message Posted:
11/09/2007 14:04

Have watched this a couple of times and although I always believe that every story has 2 sides I have to say that I found this compelling viewing. I will let others form their own opinion.



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bAP7KuAfvWY

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
11/09/2007 14:26

hi there wackyjim

i have seen this video very good i dont know if you have read the post trnc wiped of the map their is a big dicussion going about this go on have a read!!!

also if you want to watch an educational video which a greek cypriot who right wing and hated the turks he it made about his own race and now faces death threats have a look

video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7695688617775364591&q=voice+of+blood&total=893&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

You will be shocked my friend!!!!!

wackyjim



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Posts: 760

Message Posted:
11/09/2007 15:12

Hi Ukturk,



Makes me think it could take another generation of TC's and GC's to come and go before this hatred can be replaced with any form of mutual respect which in turn would allow meaningful re-unification talks to take place. All very sad because I'm sure todays youth in Cyprus both North and South would like to see the "Cyprus Problem" consigned to history.





Jim.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
11/09/2007 15:56

hi jim

to tell the truth my view their is no way the two sides will ever re-unite because the pure fact to much blood has spilled and too much has been lost

dont get me wrong because i am turkish im not siding with the turkish cypriot side the youth of the south listen to false propaganda plus not so long ago cyprus had a vote to the reunification of the country the turkish cypriots voted yes even thou this would give them less rights compared to the greek cypriot side and the greek side said NO!!! so this shows that the greeks dont wont to play ball unless all the isues are in favour of them

the houses and land issue is a big problem aswell!!! my family had lost all their land and houses and buisness which are now on the greek side but their is now mention in compensating them you only hear compensation for the greek side

dont get me wrong i am not facist and hate all greeks, where i was raised in north london i had many greek cypriot friends and i have no malice towards them!!! but you got to remember the greeks did start this problem by trying to start enois (ethnic cleansing) like i said before have a read on the TRNC WİPED OFF THE MAP and you will find loads of people discussing this problem

take care

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
11/09/2007 17:21

Hi guys,



WOW-Learnt some more from this didnt realise that greece forced the english off the island either to take over all!!



Didnt realise how many attempts that greece took in order to unite greece and cyprus as one!!!



SEE THIS PROVES A POINT- THAT THEY WILL NEVER GIVE UP AND WILL TRY AND TRY AGAIN UNTIL THEY GET CYPRUS FOR THEMSELVES!!!



After realising all this furiates me even more THAT THE UN AND UK DO NOT SUPPORT OR HELP NORTH CYPRUS AND THE TURKS EVEN MORE!!!



IF THIS IS THE TRUTH OF EVENTS THEN WHY DID THEY EVEN CONTEMPLATE ALLOWING SOUTH INTO THE EU - This is SO WRONG!!



I presume that the uk, eu.un have lost their ballls to do the right thing and everything boils down to" RED TAPE" issues!!!!



NOW MORE THAN EVER IF SOUTH AND NORTH RE-UNITE THEN I FEEL NORTH WILL BE DOOMED I CANT SEE HOW THE EXTREMISTS WILL MOVE ON!!



Also I dont blame the youth of today for their beliefs as they have been brainwashed completely by propaganda and false statements and stories!!





See ya D

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
11/09/2007 18:12

Hi guys



I met a TC who told me that he and other TCs joined the GCs to get the British off the island. Once achieved, he said the GCs then turned on him and the other TCs. Not surprisingly he now has a deep mistrust of the GCs.



Davidoff, you are right, it is infuriating that the TCs are not being recognised. Unfortunately, it is all political. I wonder how much the Sovereign bases influence the UK decision. I suspect these bases are more than just ordinary barracks. I wonder how much the UK relies on these for middle eastern intelligence? I wonder what sort of deal they struck up with the GCs in regard to this?



I was watching a fictional movie the other day (quite a boring film) which showed United States troops taking of from an air base in Northern Cyprus. I wondered if they did this in reality. I noticed that there is an airport reasonably close to Famagusta. Is this a military airport? Do the US actiually use it?



My view of politics is relatively cynical. If the big boys (US, Russia, China, France, UK and Germany) has a use for you then you you are granted certain favours. This is why I think Turkey is such a fascinating country. The big Western powers just do not know what to make of her. They both fear her and want to buuild a relationship with her. I think the enlightened realise that Turkey can be an incredible role model for the Arab world to follow.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
11/09/2007 18:24

Interesting film both part 1 & 2 & it also brings up related material, which again is very interesting. Depending whether the films were made by Turkish Cypriots or Greek Cypriots they do not balance out the problems and that is the problem, future generations get a one sided view. There is peace but no solution. Two states that should and could live side by side. It makes me sad when you read the comments that have been added to the you tube site. They are filled with hatred. Live & let live if not as one, as two states on one island.

P & J

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
11/09/2007 23:35

hi there guys

your answer to your question ilovecyprus there is military bases in around famagusta aswell as a big u.n army base also there is a military airport quite close to ercan and yes you are right its a well known 'secret' that the u.s and the u.k have used it in return for aid (money) like i have said before in previous post cyprus and turkey are very strong and in a viable postion for the pure fact close to asia and the mid east where im living at the moment (6 months in marmaris turkey and 6 months in north cyprus) their is american warships and u.k ships always docking in the marmaris miltary harbours (one of the largest miltary harbours in turkey) on their way to the mid east via cyprus (you see it all boils down to the sea)

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
11/09/2007 23:59

ilovecyprus



Not sure what Turkey has over the Arab states but I do agree with you the western powers just can't make their minds up about Turkey. However when it comes to empire building which after all the EU is all about then Turkey would be a far bigger catch than say Bulgaria , Romania and the rest of the old poorer Soviet Bloc nations put together. Therein lies the problem for the EU as a body they like total control of all major political issues which they can insist on the likes of the former mentioned countries but Turkey is a nation which has a much stronger identity and independancy and they would be much more reluctant to lose this in an expanded/extended Europe.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 00:02

to all of you posters on this post

it would be great if cyprus could have reunification in an ideal world (without no motives) but in the real world it wont prob happen (personally dont think it should happen) it has gone on too long!! anyway how can we when most of the world listen to media propaganda (its not poitics that run the world it is the media!!!) and also that one side (not all) of the population of cyprus and its motherland (greece) has so much hatred to produce websites like this

http://www.geocities.com/tourkophagos1821/bestiary.html

im not saying the turks and north cyprus dont feed the propaganda wagon!!!! (not as much)

If we dont open our eyes and ears and stop listening to the bulls..t!! How can cyprus live in a peacefull way of life (Divieded or united)

p.s Come the world to think about it!!!!

wackyjim



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Posts: 760

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 00:21

ukturk,



As you said earlier, and I agree with you I can't see any re-unification for Cyprus under the current political climate which I doubt will change in the short term. There are far too many wounds to heal on both sides but if progress is to be made then it has to be aimed at the younger generation and again only if they can be protected from the propaganda. We can only hope!!!

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 00:22

wackyjim

the way the e.u is probably thinking is that if we cant catch the big fish i.e turkey because they are much stronger (largest army in europe and one of the largest in the world) have different relgious views (and come to think of it dont even need the e.u) we will catch all the little fish all around i.e romania bulgaria etc etc but still keep turkey sweet (aid -trade) and dangle the 'come and join us' carrot in front of them, when in fact turkey hold the biggiest carrot of them all i.e shipping lanes comercial and milatary - natural reserves - look out posts to the arab world and even china

wackyjim



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Message Posted:
12/09/2007 00:26

ukturk



No argument there



Jim

ukturk



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Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 00:54

its so good to read that most of us are on the same level concerning this matter i.e jim - ilovecyprus - davidoff - tiggy - dy1259 - marvo - the-wicks and myself i take my hat off to all of you, But where all the posters who dont agree with us and have a different view!!!

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 01:10

Hi all,



They are still around spreading hatred elsewhere, licking their wounds and feeling sorry for themselves as usual!!!



You are right and like I have said previously that " THE EU NEED TURKEY ALOT MORE THAN TURKEY NEED THE EU"!!



That why they are in a strong negotiating position and what I admire about turkey the most is that no matter what they never leave a man behind and will not " ABANDON THEIIR PEOPLE IN NORTH CYPRUS" That is what they have always stated!!!



LETS ALL HOPE IT NEVER CHANGES-SO FAR SO GOOD!!



Also there is only so many times that ROC and GREECE can keep on trying to throw their weight around and keep blocking any issues regarding turkey and the EU and the recognition of NC!!



Like I have heard already that the UN and some arab states have declared that if there is not a cyprus settlement by the end of this year then they "WILL RECOGNISE AND TRADE WITH NORTH CYPRUS" anyway- in order to help lift the isolation once and for all!!!!



LETS ALL PRAY AND HOPE THIS HAPPENS!!! This will be the " break free sign" that trnc needs!! Someone to start then others will follow and then NC can be silenced no more!!



See ya D

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 02:10

Well said davidoff. (Post 77)



In this most complex of situations- the so called Cyprus problem, it is truly a simple solution it requires. Simple because the solution has already been found, it was implemented in 1974, namely the partition of Cyprus into two countries, two thirds for the GCs, ROC and one third for the TCs, TRNC. The Turkish military to remain for the protection of the TCs.



How can anyone not think this is fair and sensible?

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 14:11

Hi Davidoff



Where did you hear about the UN and some Arab states declaring they would recognise and trade with the TRNC if there was no settlement by the end of the year? Is this a rumour rather than being made in writing?

If it is true, then this is highly significant. It would explain why the two sides recently met (not just because the the elections in the south). The TRNC could play for time, but you would expect certain conditions to be imposed.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 14:20

Hi wackyjim - your statement was 'not sure what Turkey has over arab states'



My response - 'nothing really. It is just that it has been reported that if Turkey can be assimilated in to the European system i.e mixing politics, commerce, economics and religion, then it could work in the arab states'. In other words Turkey becomes the role model to entice the Arabs in to the system. Personally, I feel that this is very unrealistic, under present conditions'

wackyjim



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Posts: 760

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 14:49

Hi ilovecyprus



I get your drift, I'm sure the EU would like to get their hands on Turkey for those very reasons that you mention however there are major issues within Turkey ie human rights etc that would prohibit the EU through its own policies to accept Turkey as a member of the Union. I don't see a realistic change to that in the forseeable future.



Jim.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 14:50

dy 1259 Fair ill tell you what is not fair!!!!

that only the voices of the greek cypriot people, government and greece only get heard because they are in the e.u and they portray their story that they are the only ones who lost everything and us the turkish people either mainland or n cyprus are the invaders through the ages!!!! so why should anyone listen to us as a nation.

But if you go back in history actually the greeks were the invaders

1) turkish genocide by greeks in the balkans after the first world war

2) turkish genocide by greeks ın turkey when greece invaded turkey vıa izmir

3) turkish genocide by greeks in chios an island just off turkey

4) greek genocide on the chamerian albanians in greece after 2nd world war

5) and finally the turkish cypriot genocide by greeks and gc's on the cypriot people and the list can go on!!!!

so what i say like what dy1259 is saying keep the turkish army in cyprus keep all the migrants from mainland turkey keep the divide and reconise north cyprus either via turkey or as a seperate state

long live KKTC and the motherland TURKİYE

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 14:55

Hi all,



ILC Will ask my friend where she got her statements from regarding the intenational support if negotiaitons dont pan out by the end of the year!!





But saying that this is bound to happen sooner or later if the Gs and GCs are not willing to negotiate and keep stalling!!



People dont like it when you keep "CRYING WOLF AND DRAGGING YOUR FEET AND USE BULLYING TECHNIQUES" As some will start to sympathise with NC and start to criticise GCs and Gs because of this - I mean its already started to happen I mean look at the people and discussions that are creating huge interest!!

Speak soon

See ya D

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 16:22

Hi all,



This is just one brief article from many!



But if you google : north cyprus and russia recognition OR north cyprus and america recognition - you will find some more old and new news on this subject!!



See ya D



http://www.regnum.ru/english/790400.html

cypriot


Joined: 17/04/2007
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 20:04

Kibris Turkdur Turk kalacak in Engilish Cyprus belongs to Turks and will be remain as it is

Thank you all

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
12/09/2007 22:00

Hi,all,

it all seems so very very complicated, and cant see how the turks and greeks will ever live under one banner to much history on both sides for that.dont wish to take sides on the matter as i dont fully understand it but i do find myself agreeing with alot of the things that ukturk says.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
13/09/2007 00:39

hi there

thank you dodger that you agree with me, By reading these posts people like yourself (like this subject - trnc wiped of the map & a question of intrest) who dont fully understand gets to know a little more than they did that is a great start. I think all of us who have posted on the above subjects have learned a lot over the past week or so since these actual subjects were brought up

So i thank all of you!!!!

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
13/09/2007 18:35

As alway i have to say oasis summed it up





" DON'T LOOK BACK IN ANGER I HEAD YOU SAY "

dodger



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Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
13/09/2007 21:45

Littlenige,

Sorry to be padantic but i think they said "dont look back in anger i heard you say"

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
14/09/2007 23:20

Sometimes its good to look back! How about this for an account of how the Cyprus problem began in the first place? Note that the witness statements come from a whole range of different sources making it hold more weight to the account. Would be interesting to see if the TC's on this forum think its an accurate reflection of their history.



http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmfaff/113/113we45.htm

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
15/09/2007 00:44

Good posting Bradus, very credible source

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
15/09/2007 02:37

Hi Bradus, thank you for the link. Many people are not aware of the events that led to Turkey's intervention in Cyprus. But the worse thing is that the Greek Cypriots are still believed, they still have it all their own way, and, in the meantime, the international community continues in its discrimination and racism towards the Turkish Cypriots in the TRNC. I have concluded it is racism because I cannot see any other reason why the Turkish Cypriots continue to be isolated and the TRNC embargoed.

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
15/09/2007 11:13

Hi all,



Ive worked out finally what o think the main reason for this is!!!



Because if they were to allow recognition of trnc then it would send out the wrong message as most people only understand the Gs version of events!!

For example illegal NC ,invasion of the turks, illegal government etc etc...!!!



So if they were to internationally recognise them then it would be deemed as ok to do this!!

Because people only really know the version of the story as I listed above then others will start to believe that they can do the same and get away with it!!!



Its called setting a "president" - so before we know it well have wars and seperations on our hands with others thinking well invade. occupy and then one day it will become ours!!



YOU MAY THINK WHAT IVE SAID IS A BIT STUPID- BUT,,,IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IT DOES MAKE SENSE!!



See ya D

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
15/09/2007 12:17

Hi all,



Just read the article!!!



JUST PROVES HOW IMMORAL POWERFUL GOVERNMENTS ARE!!!

AND PROVES THAT CLEARLY THE EU, UN AND NATO CANT BE TRUSTED TO FULL FILL THEIR OBLIGATIONS!!!



See ya D

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
15/09/2007 13:37

What was surprising for me about this link was that I stumbled on it whilst looking at the history behind the TRNC illuminated mountain flag which you can't help but notice when travelling from the south of the island. Initially I had thought that the flag was about pride in ones country and perhaps a taunt for the GCs? I later found out that the flag is in remembrance of a village called Tochni and is a reminder and tribute from the surviving women of the villages. This has been copied and pasted from another forum but having read it I researched the history and it appears accurate.

Taskent (Tokhni) was a mixed village in the south near Limassol, which was struck with a massive tragedy on Aug. 14, 1974. All the able-bodied men from the village, ages ranging from 13 to 74, were taken away by Greeks and Greek Cypriots and massacred along with 15 other Turkish Cypriot boys and men from the villages of Tatlisu (Mari) and Terazi (Zyyi).



These Turkish Cypriot men were first taken to the Greek primary school in the village where there were some Greek mainland officers. The next day they were loaded onto two buses and driven off. The first bus left in the morning, the second in the early afternoon. They were told they were being taken to a prisoner of war camp. Altogether 89 boys and men were sent away on the two buses.



The sole survivor of the massacre was Suat Huseyin Kafadar, aged 19, from the village Taskent (Tokhni).



"We came to a field, I don't know where it was, and were ordered out," said Suat. "The Greeks came round, ordering us to hand over our watches, ID cards, etc. They told us we could have a smoke and many of us lit cigarettes.



"Suddenly, without any warning, they opened fire on us with automatic weapons and mowed us down. I was hit several times and fell and lay in a pile of other men. I was still conscious and was aware that the Greeks were walking in among the bodies, shooting men in the head, making sure they were dead.



"But when they came to me they went past. After a while they went away and I managed to pull myself out from under several bodies. I found out why the Greeks had thought I was dead. My head was covered by the brains of the man on top of me!



"As I was crawling away from that awful place, I saw two other men who were still alive. I went to them and started to help them to get away, too, but one of them told me to leave them, they were finished, they'd never escape before the Greeks came back.



"Get away, tell everyone what happened here," he ordered me. It took me several days, hiding during the day, to reach a Turkish village and learn that I was the only survivor of the Taskent massacre."



When Suat's story became known the United Nations tried to investigate, but the Greek Cypriots refused to tell them anything or show them the massacre spot. It was assumed that the other bus load of men had also been machine gunned to death for they were never seen again. It was also believed that the bodies had been covered by bulldozers as no trace was found and this seemed to be the method by which the Greeks were burying their Turkish victims.



The women of Taskent (Tokhni) could only be evacuated on Oct. 25, 1974, by UNFICYP to Northern Cyprus, and the village was reconstituted under the same name near Lefkosa. The existence of a mass grave in South Cyprus where the male population of Taskent (Tokhni), Tatlisu (Mari) and Terazi (Zyyi) is known to have been buried was confirmed by UNFICYP.



I'll certainly look at the flag in a different light now.

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
15/09/2007 18:06

Hi all,



I like the flag and it makes a difference!

Although it has a strong and sad story behind it -it also gives the impression of a warm and independant greeting to those who visit!



Now knowing the past behind the flag it proves more of a point that many who were loved and lost will always be remebered and not forgotten!

The flag says also that we are trnc and no-one can take that away from us now- we will survive!!!



See ya D

lovelife


Joined: 07/07/2007
Posts: 231

Message Posted:
15/09/2007 20:23

Bradus



Like you I thought the flag was there to annoy the GC'c, and a claim that the land was TRNC. A sad story, I shall look at it in different light now and remember man's inhumantity to his fellow man.

The women should be applauded that they continue this rememberence with love and devotion to ensure that the men will not be forgotten.

IsOglu


Joined: 31/07/2007
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
16/09/2007 02:05

I and my my family were refugees from cyprus, we left in 1964 during the troubles documented in the excellent article that you posted. We suffered at the hands of the Greeks for a long long time and only since the Turks invaded has there been peace on the Island.



Unfortunately we as TC's have to accept that we will never get the recognition that we crave because Europe and the EU is a Christian club that has muslims we are barred from joining.



The article is certainly true and well researched but what it cannot convey is the depth of agression and level that the GC despise the TC and T community as a whole.



They are bitter people that pass their hatred of us from generation to generation but unfortunately most of europe would rather side with them than us.



The fact is that we have been living the Cyprus solution since 1974, no one has been murdered and we all feel safe. Why on earth would we want to lose that?

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
16/09/2007 02:12

Exactly so IsOglu. Keep Cyprus partitioned and the Turkish military in the TRNC protecting the TCs from the GCs. The next step is to campaign for the recognition of the TRNC. An organisation called embargoed.org is campaigning for the end of embargoes/TCypriot political isolation. I'm sure it can do with more members.

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
16/09/2007 12:57

Hi all,



The problem is that GCs have tried to spin the truth of the situation about what hapeened in cyprus!

People only know the GCs version of events and thats what it boils down too at the end of the day!



I like to believe that by talking about the events openly then others can read this and make up their own minds on what truely happened!



SO BY TALKING ABOUT THIS I HOPE THAT WE ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE AND THAT OTHERS WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND ON WHAT IS MORALLY RIGHT OR WRONG!!



Unfortunately this will take time and the more we can ensure that others discover the truth and facts- the more we will make a difference and slowly help trnc from being plagued by the GCs hatred and propeganda!!





See ya D

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
16/09/2007 13:53

HI ALL,



GREAT NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!



DOUBLE PAGE SPREAD IN THE "MAIL ON SUNDAT-TRAVEL SUPPLEMENT" ON NORTH CYPRUS AND ITS ATTRACTION AND BEAUTY!



Talks mainly about bellapis to begin with but highlights its attraction and beauty of the north!

It also talks about things to see and do there i.e karpaz, kyrenia, golf club, bellapis and famagusta!!



Also talks very briefly about its past and how its thriving now!!!



IF you can get hold of one its on page 6 and 7- if not try to grt it up on the daily mail/mail on sunday webb site!!



GREAT NEWS AT LONG LAST- At least someone had the B***S To write about it and show it in a POSITIVE LIGHT!!!



Happy reading!!!



See ya D

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
16/09/2007 18:25

Hi Davidoff



Just read the article and as you say its good to read something positive about NC.



I go back out in 2 weeks time and have started the countdown already!!!!!



Jim

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
16/09/2007 21:56

tried to bring it up on the web site but no luck

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
20/09/2007 15:10

Hi all,



Just remebered how we had no greek takers for the debate- But I think one has taken a bite on another forum about north cyprus!!



I started a thread called north cyprus hotspot 2007 and a guy called CRISTOS has intervened (the name says it all its got the ...os at the end)

Preaching illegal this ,illegal that yadyadyad....!!! as you can imagine!!!



its on totally property forum site under cyprus section- anyone care to join in as Im fed up of their S**T all the time???



But I did do a WICKED RESPONSE TO HIS POST-Would make you laugh!!!



See ya D



See ya D

Susie


Joined: 06/06/2007
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
20/09/2007 16:29

I can recommend 'The Genocide Files' - written by a Britsh journalist living in Girne (Kyrenia) during the period of 'unrest'



It is available in bookshps in TRNC and has photographs and documents which makes compelling reading

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
20/09/2007 17:22

Davidoff



Will have a look, Have you trıed http://www.topix.net (then enter Cyprus),quite frightening that so many people beleive the c**p that they have been fed from birth, hit them with cold hard facts and they go all quiet.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
20/09/2007 19:53

Hi ttoli



I sometimes visit the site you refer to. It is quite unbelievable the vitriol. Mind you it can be quite funny to see the comments. There is a charachter on there called 'blackadder', who really knows how to wind them up. He made a comment the other day which just kept me laughing all morning



Seriously, I think alot of people on that site are just addicted to exuding anger. It's a good job it is a forum, not a face to face discussion, as I could see someone getting killed



Hi Davidoff, I would love to join you on your site but I can't keep up with them all. I need to call a limit. . I think what is interesting though, is that on one of the more respectable sites, I have heard some of the GC sympathisers begin to talk about the possibility of the TRNC being recognised.

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
20/09/2007 21:18

Hi ILC,



Do you mean they are starting to feel personally that TCs should be recognised or is it political news out there etc??? bit confused sorry!!



See ya D

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
20/09/2007 22:57

Personally Davidoff, albeit grudgingly so. They are probably feeling worn down as the doors are not opening in a way that they would like One has contacted 'the property commission' to enquire about compensation. It took an inordinate amount of time for him to receive a form and he was disapointed that the form was in Turkish. I also would have expected it to be in Greek, since it would be Greek Cypriots claiming. Seems to me that Turkey are not going to make it easy and may be playing for time.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
21/09/2007 00:35

Hi Davidof, this looks like an interestng development. Probably a pre election bribe

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=34741&cat_id=1

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
24/09/2007 19:32

Hi all,



Wish you hadent told me about the topix forum- as I couldnt help myself by making a comment or two!!



No wonder there will never be a solution if this is how they behave !!



I cant believe how full of hatred for oneanother,brainwashed , arogant and narrow minded most of the people are on there!!



See ya D

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
24/09/2007 20:22

Hi Davidoff



I saw your postings on there. I think most people on the site just love a good argument. If they were not arguing about Cyprus they would be arguing about something else. As the site is unregulated, it does show that an outside body has to be involved in a Cyprus solution.



Try this site, it is alot more civilised http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/portal.php