Turkey and the Future of Europe

elko2



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Message Posted:
03/04/2011 22:36

Please enjoy http://www.jordantimes.com/index.php?news=36097

ismet

newlad



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Message Posted:
03/04/2011 22:54

Excellent article,cheers for that Elko,



Paul.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
03/04/2011 23:00

Gosh Ismet that made me think long and hard really good article as Paul says, but then I really always liked him.Just wish EU would think about this report xxxx

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
03/04/2011 23:01

No mention of the one and only hurdle Turkey has though!

elko2



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Message Posted:
03/04/2011 23:33

Yorgozlu,

The Cyprus Problem is a convenient excuse but never a real reason.

ismet

loulouis


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Message Posted:
03/04/2011 23:41

Ismet

Great article

This as always been at the forefront of my mind . If we/Europe do not embrace Turkey . We will have great problems.

Yergozlu the only hurdle as you say .

This is a non entity on the bigger scale of things.

Cyprus does not and never will control its own destiny

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
03/04/2011 23:47

Ismet abi;



Thats as good as saying,EU are playing with Turkey,and Turkey with us,TRNC!

YFred


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Message Posted:
04/04/2011 00:13

Oh my God. My friend Kickobullikostakis and his band merry mercenaries will not like this article one bit. In fact they don't like the reporter either, but never mind, you can't please everybody all the time. At least they have DT to supply them with all the whiskey to drown their sorrows and face another day over in the free areas and wait for the power to change in the Turkish lands. Make mine weee double. I can't take all this excitement no more, I am moving south to where all the miserable ones live. It can't be easy waiting for Turkey o collapse from within.

wanderer


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Message Posted:
04/04/2011 11:19

"If not, then many of us will find it increasingly difficult to see Europe as anything more than a glorified customs union with political ambitions that are far too big for its boots."

I am sorry this has what the EU is now an unelected set of pen pushers on a never ending gravy train

Turkey needs to keep friendly and keep out .

The EU population is ageing and unproductive whereas Turkey has a growing young and vibrant population

martinD41


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Message Posted:
04/04/2011 11:27

Well said Wonderer.... Europe might need Turkey, but Turkey can do with or without the EU...IMHO

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
04/04/2011 11:46

The former editor of the Economist, has stated that many in Europe vision a larger goal, which is to incorporate the middle eastern countries that border the mediteranean. This would include Tunisia, Libya, Morocco and Egypyt. Extended financial help (with travel restrictions) to these countries could prevent economic migrants swamping European shores. This could only be achieved by Turkey being able to join the EU.

newlad



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Message Posted:
04/04/2011 13:04

Yes Mark,a very valid point.Time that France and Germany bit the bullet,and started to think outside the box,



Paul.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
04/04/2011 13:07

Paul, when (historically speaking) have France and Germany Ever thought outside of their boxes..?..

newlad



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Message Posted:
04/04/2011 14:57

Fair point Martin,



Paul.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
04/04/2011 15:15

msge 12



Hiya Paul



Expanding the EU to Frances former colonies might soften Frances attitude towards Turkey. I am sure Germany would take a lot more convincing though.



By the way, has anyone heard recently from our glorıous leader the eminent Herman Van Rompuy, the leader of 500 million people. I do expect a rousing and influential speech at least once a year from him, if only to keep me going. Surely not much to ask for, for his 290,000 Euros a year salary.

lovinit


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Message Posted:
04/04/2011 18:08

Very interesting article Elko. thanks for that, food for thought.



Will keep me awake tonight mulling it over!!



thanks agin.

glarokarpaz


Joined: 21/04/2011
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Message Posted:
23/04/2011 21:41

it is realy good artıcle.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
23/04/2011 22:02

Good link Ismet



"As an EU member, Turkey would add a new dimension of massive historic importance. Europeans would show that we could embrace an Islamic democracy and build a strong bridge between Europe and Western Asia.



That, in turn, would create a new European identity and narrative, a new reason for the EU to exist in this century, a way of rejecting the divisive politics of old. I hope that by the time I take up my pen again, we will be on our way to this destination. If not, then many of us will find it increasingly difficult to see Europe as anything more than a glorified customs union with political ambitions that are far too big for its boots"



This is so true...

Zoots


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Message Posted:
23/04/2011 22:19

Worth noting the Turkish people want their leaders to pull the finger out over EU membership:



>>More than 100 nongovernmental organizations, including Turkey’s main business associations and trade unions, joined forces on Friday to call on politicians to revive Turkey’s stalled European Union membership process after the upcoming parliamentary elections on June 12, saying the current stalemate is worrying...

The NGOs lamented Turkey’s EU membership appeared to have ceased to become a matter of priority for both the Turkish and EU sides. “For us, EU membership means sustainable development, higher democratic standards, individual freedoms, gender equality and welfare society. Temporary political and economic developments in Turkey or in the EU cannot change this fact,” they said in the statement...<<



http://www.todayszaman.com/news-241772-ngos-call-on-politicians-to-revive-eu-process-after-elections.html

Zoots


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Message Posted:
23/04/2011 22:22

>>Turkey Excluded From EU's 2014-2020 Budget Plans



Turkey has been excluded from the draft EU budget plans for the 2014 - 2020 period. Because new members of the EU are entitled to special payments for the first few years after joining, it is customary to include candidate countries that are expected to join in the near future. Croatia, for example, currently a candidate country, has been included in the budget. But Turkey has not been, despite diplomatic pressure from Ankara.

This is interpreted as a sign that Turkey is not likely to join the EU within the next few years, although it does not strictly preclude Turkey from joining before 2020.<<

Perhaps if Turkey stopped being a regional bully and honoured her obligations over Cyprus her EU dreams might come true.



http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkish-membership-is-off-the-radar-screen-of-eu-until-2020-2011-04-20

elko2



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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 00:45

msg. 20

Zoots, we have a saying in Turkish. "Kuşun aklı darıda" meaning "the bird thinks only of maize" and thus cannot see anything else

ismet

ronaldo


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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 08:41

I have just seen on the news a short clip which says that Turkey have for the first time in there history allowed Russian visitors accross there borders without passports or visas so I think europe can say goodbye to Turkey.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 11:53

I can't see why Turkey would want to be bound by the rules of a "Failing Club" ie the EU....Turkeys eyes in my opinion should be looking East not West ....

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 12:04

the sooner Turkey gets into the EU the better

then TRNC will come under EU laws - instead of 'my neighbours laws'

martinD41


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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 12:08

msg24.... How on earth would the TRNC afford the "membership Fees".....Oh yes, Turkey would once again be presented with the "Bill"...........

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 12:26

Hildy I hope Turkeyt NEVER JOINS the EU and that could seem to go against what is best for K5. but there is stilll the ECHR and that will have to do. The EU needs Turkey, Turkey doe need the EU.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 12:30

Msg 21 Elko,



It doesn't alter the fact that both Turkey and her people want to join Europe, despite what some in Cyprus think.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 13:18

Zoots;

Who told you Turkey and her people want to join in Europe???

I Participate in a lot of comments in Milliyet and Hürriyet newspapers (online) related to Turkey and EU membership. I AM YET TO SEE ONE POST IN FAVOR OF JOINING THE EU!

Interesting link BUT; If Turkey was economically and militarily poor, I doubt the article presented would have ever existed. Realizing what a valuable asset Turkey's current strong economy and military power can be, this is nothing more than "a..e licking" and an attempt to convince the others, while pretending to do Turkey a favor. This at a time when Portuguese, Greek, and some other EU members' economy are in tatters. Not to mention the financial burden on the economically better off of the members who are having to pay a fortune to bail them out!

The above being the case, does Turkey want to be a part of the ailing EU, and perhaps subsidize Greek economy? They should spend the money and buy the Greek islands up for sale in the Aegean instead!

rocky


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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 13:20

loads of speculation and tosh. what will be will be

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 13:35

bigoz



well put ,nothing to add ,only that turkey is moving away from the eu and who can blame her,say what you like ,because of religion the eu have missed a trick here.





musin



long live the kktc