Foreign minister Huseyin Ozgurgun in house of lords/London

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 18:26

http://www.trncpio.org/trncpio/en/index.asp?sayfa=haberdetay&newsid=1216

Marion


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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 19:23

Thanks,bu I want to know what questions were askd andwhat the nswers were. Maybe I should ask Ken Maginnis? The fact that no questions appetarining to property wereallowed means tha tit was boycotted by some. And so we wait.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 19:27

I guess all will be in papers tomorrow!They said he had a speech on local news tonight,at the house of lords.

I wouldn't hold my breath on being asked any questions regarding 'few' individual property issues.I'm guessing,it'll be more to do with CYPRUS.

Marion


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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 19:30

Unfortunately, poperty probems and the Cyprus issue seem tyobe prettywell linked, and if someoneon't discuss those then there is little chance of both sides being happy. Or as the song sas 'You can't have one without the other.'

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 19:35

Salahi,

It's just a 'jolly' on tax payers empty coffers!



Richard

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 19:36

'property/land' issues between Cypriots IS part of Cyprus problem,agreed.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 19:41

The land issue was settled in 1974, many CT's lost land below the green-line as much as GC's lost out north of it! All done, dusted and sorted!



Richard

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 19:43

Well Richard,those used to be my exact comments too.However,one must NOT forget the simple fact of Turkey still remain here!

tracer


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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 19:44

Tanrım, şimdi onları telafi etmek için var

AnthonySmith


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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 19:44

Bit heartless, Yorgozlu. What about others who paid good money for land? Like would happen in any other country? Turkish and Greek Cypriots have made fortunes in Britain, America, Australia and elsewhere, or is Cyprus only for Cypriots?

That's the way your post sounds

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 19:50

AnthonySmith;

I will not deny that, it does.However,it goes both ways,don't you think?It's not as if he was asked any questions regarding 'your' property issues and he didn't answer!

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 19:51

AnthonySmith;

I will not deny that, it does.However,it goes both ways,don't you think?It's not as if he was asked any questions regarding 'your' property issues and he didn't answer!

AnthonySmith


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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 20:10

Yorgozlu, the way I heard (and thus could be very wrong) he said no questions on expat property. We hear, the world hears, about the Cypriot property issue every day. Dr Eroglu seems (not the use of word, not is) very pleased that despite all the crap in the 1960s, the Turkish Cypriots now have nearly twice as much land as they did following 1974. So, perhaps a gain?

I personally don't think so. I believe in a world vision that will never work. Human nature always gets in the way

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 21:57

AnthonySmith;

One must not deny the fact of oprtunists(Cypriots) have acted for their gain in Cyprus too.However,the main ones that realy 'gained' out of it are the settlers.They came/were brought over with nothing and look how much they are selling the lands in Bafra that doesn't belong to them for,and moving back to Turkey!

Marion


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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 22:55

I am not sure why we Brits are called so greedy, when many of them have put all their money into a home here, and the turkish mainlanders who were brought in were given houses and lands vfor nothing. they are now wealthier than most of the Brits because they have sold land, built houses and sold them, ruining the landscape in the process.

so, why are we Brits getting the 'blame'. Most of us came here, not as opportunists but to be part of a place that offered a good life style of low crime, friendliness and the kind of living of honesty and openess which many of us grew up with. Not one of us is a dick Whittington!

tracer


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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 23:18

Msg 15



Yes Marion you was greedy and opportunists you found cheap stolen land that according to international law and EU is illegal you knew that fact but, it was cheap. Your own government warned you many times not to do so .

And yes the blame is only yours and nobody's else, you decide how to make your bed and is nobody's fault if it isn't right . You make a bad decision you must live with the consequences .

And stop kiting your self that you like this country so so much ,is the cheap life you are after and nothing else .

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 23:21

Marion;

Who said anything about Brits??



Mr Ozgurgun went to london for one porpuse only,Cyprus Problem.Nothing more,nothing less!

Porpuse of me posting it here is to inform you,in case you are interested.

Try to get out of that self centred position every now and then.The world does not run around few Brits that live in TRNC.

Marion


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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 23:41

Why should 'tracer' be showing such a nasty side of his character? It is the attitude of people such as yourself that causes so much pain to so many people. You are judging others of whom you know nothing. I have lived south and north and my history with the island goes back a long way, and I am certainly not 'kiting'(presumably something to do with flying) - and for all you know I am a multi millionaire. But it is so sad that you have to spoil this forum with criticisms such as yours. And to yorgozlu, I am not referring to Brits. I am not at all self centred, but my heart bleeds over injustices where property is concerned, and MANY of the victims are Turkish Cypriots, and that is why I am a mber of Embargoed! why on earth can't people try to solve problems instead of creating more.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 23:47

Msg 18 as you are "not self centred"

do you campaign for all Cypriots ?

Both T/c and G/c

tracer


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Message Posted:
07/04/2011 23:58

We all are cypriots i Never separate Cypriots, except those who deny it or those that are cypriots when it suits them .

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 00:11

I am not Nasty Marion or better nobody is nasty when is telling you the truths that you don't want to listen .

"kiting" ( keyboard small devil) *kidding

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 00:11

Marion (mess 18)



Because people like tracer are very selfish and certainly have a very nasty side, they can't see past their own agenda!



Both Turkish and Greek Cypriots have enjoyed the fruits of the UK! and because you and many other ex pats want to enjoy Cyprus, they in their selfishness want you to disappear!



The Injustices in Cyprus both North and South are well documented, and I think both sides hurt their own, that's how stupid they are!



They will try to create more problems, using any other nationalities for their racism!

Marion


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 00:48

Thanks for the common sense TRNC victim, and to Tracer I would throw out the challenge that has rung down the centuries 'What is truth?' even the wisest and the greatest cannot answer that. I t takes a lot of investigation and searching, and the truth on the Cyprus situation seems to be discoloured by prejudice, bias and ignorance.

As someone much greater and wiser than I said 'The Cyprus situation will be resolved only when the false history books have been re-written.' which history books are we all reading I wonde.r

and sorry, tracer, but I have a reputation for being a good listener , yet here you go again, judging my thought processes and personality. But do seek truth, and when we have all found it maybe the Cyprus porblem, will be a problem no more. will everyone be happy with that, though. And to message 22 maybe YOUR wisdom comes from past pain.

Zoots


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 01:36

marion msg 15 >>I am not sure why we Brits are called so greedy, when many of them have put all their money into a home here, and the turkish mainlanders who were brought in were given houses and lands vfor nothing. they are now wealthier than most of the Brits because they have sold land, built houses and sold them, ruining the landscape in the process.<<

Perhaps one thing the Anatolian settlers and Brits who also occupy GC property have in common is both being uneducated peasants. After all, who else would be so desperate to resort to such practices?

>>so, why are we Brits getting the 'blame'. Most of us came here, not as opportunists but to be part of a place that offered a good life style of low crime, friendliness and the kind of living of honesty and openess which many of us grew up with. Not one of us is a dick Whittington!<<

Sorry, but right or wrong the way most of the civilised world sees you as is cheapskate carpetbaggers.

erolz


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 02:33

Zoots in what capacity is it that you think you can speak for 'most of the civilised world' I wonder ?



PS you might want to check out the roots of 'carpetbagger' before you throw your perjorative generalisations like 'uneducated peasants' and 'carpetbagger' around with such abandon.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbagger



"Carpetbaggers tended to be well educated and middle class in origin."

and

" In the United Kingdom, the term was adopted to refer informally to those who join a mutual organization, such as a building society, in order to force it to demutualize, that is, to convert into a joint stock company, solely for personal financial gain."

Not something generally done by 'uneducated peasants' I would suggest.

Such black and white assertions by one person as to the personal motivations or morals of whole groups of other people are rarely correct in my experience and usually say as much or more about the person making them as the target group.

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 08:43

Erolz, ignore the walter mitty character. He will never change.

gwhiz


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 08:59

Most of us came here, not as opportunists but to be part of a place that offered a good life style of low crime, friendliness and the kind of living of honesty and openness which many of us grew up with.



WELL SAID ZOOTS

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 09:23

to all Brits that had paid attention to this thread;



If you are all here for ,>>>to be part of a place that offered a good life style of low crime, friendliness and the kind of living of honesty and openness which many of us grew up with<<<



Why take this thread away from where it was to suit your own ways and force others (Cypriots) with strong feelings about Cyprus problem to.......................???



http://www.trncpio.org/trncpio/en/index.asp?sayfa=haberdetay&newsid=1216

Troodo


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 10:14

Sorry, but right or wrong the way most of the civilised world sees you as is cheapskate carpetbaggers.



Realy Zoots? I think that is only in your own mind.

suehowlittle


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 10:41

How sad this all is, one of the first signs of a civilised society breaking down is when 'scapegoats' are being searched for.



Does anyone remember another period of human history when this happened?

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 13:43

Msg 23



Marion you know nothing about me Or my believes

I want and i know that I can live and prosper with all Cypriots and especially ''tcs'' ( prefer to call them Cypriots) even more pure as as ''GCs'' I can feel their pain and the lions share for that pain is on us Gcs and foreign fingers .(ie the so called motherlands) and others .

History there is no such thing as a truth history book not even gospels ,who wrote them wrote them just to for their benefits and how it suits them .

As i said my compatriots suffer a lot and i feel sorry for that (even that i was only 2 years old when it happened )

But don't tell me to feel sorry for those who came here as opportunists for cheap stolen land and to gain one other peoples pain. Nobody of you suffer or will suffer as as Cypriots suffered ,and still suffering, We don't have to know or learn the Cyprus problem as you Must do. WE THE CYPRIOTS LIVING IN IT EVERY SINGLE DAY .

Troodo


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 14:15

If, there is ever a solution, Tracer, we will all be in the EU. Those people who you deem to call carpetbaggers will have every right to live in Cyprus and be protected by the law and the decisions of the ECHR. There will be no gibbet on each corner and we will all live together in harmany.

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 14:50

How Troodo

If we found a solution that solution will be for the cypriots ,now what will happened with those that dont have legal land (and you know what i mean ) what will happened Just assume that i want my land (i dont have any) and i want everybody out of it what do you think will happen ....Do I or anybody else would compensate those that have such lands under their "possession" and You know that under international law everything they done on that property is illegal.

even if everyone had deeds its still illegal . So to live in harmony they have to compensate the rightful owner of that land .

They will for sure say but we have already paid for it Yes but to whom ?? As i said it many time they bought because it was cheap and with the dream of annexation to Turkey or the recognition of the ''trnc'' they thought they will get away with it .

erolz


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 16:10

re msg 32. Everyone in Cyprus, north and south is already 'protected' by the decisions of the ECHR. The ECHR is NOT an organ of the EU but a part of the Council of Europe to which Turkey is a member and has been since the 9th August 1949.



Tracer re msg 33 redress must be provided for those Cypriots who lost land and property in Cyprus and there is in fact a mechanism for those GC that lost land and property in the events of 1974 to seek such redress. What there is not currently is a mechanism for those TC that lost land and property in the South from 1963 onwards and do not reside within the RoC.



It is also just not correct to state that those who have bought property in the North on disputed land have comitted an illegal act under international law. They have comitted an illegal act under national law, the RoC's but not international law.

Marion


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 17:10

Interesting how great minds do NOT seem to think alike on this forum. Or is it that there are not too many GREAT minds.

It would however appear that justice is different things to different people. It will be a very sad day when the south will have to lose hospitals, motorways and an airport, plus I believe a power station, as that was all former TC land. And one HAS to differentiate between GC and TC because that is how the troubles started and remains as the great divide. If and only if they all become Cypriot,s the troubles might end. There are huge matters to be resolved and it has all gone on too long, which means the headache of resolution is even bigger.

As to true history? The gospels? Now I know a bit about that, but not enough space here to discuss what is truth and what is oral tradition and what is convenience brainwashing - but hey, that happens EVERYWHERE doiesn't it - otherwise I doubt this particular thread would be flourishing.

AnthonySmith


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 17:12

Erolz, don't worry about Tracer, he's brainwashed and reading from one page without knowing there is stuff on the other side.

Marion


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 17:14

Sorry I forgot to comment on the 'no suffering like ours' comment earlier on. Just watching the news makes one realise how suffering continues and it is the ordinary man in the street who suffers most. The two world wars caused huge suffering; the holocaust caused huge suffering; conflicts always cause suffering whether verbals, armed or atomic warfare, and no one person's suffering can be compared to another. Suffering is awful pain for the individual, and of course, just sometimes more suffering has to be effected to save lives.

Many innocent Germans suffered to save other nations in both world wars, and sorry to say many innocent Cypriots suffered in 1974 as moves were made to cease fighting, killing and hatred. Sadly the fighting and killing has stopped, but the hatred hasn't, and that means that the suffering goes on.

erolz


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 17:20

The south will not have to loose hospitals,motorways etc. What is required, legally and morally is that fair redress be available to those that lost land. Fair redress does not mean return in every and any instance. The issue is not that TC land has been used for public works in the RoC. The issue is that there is not a mechanism for those TC who's land has been used for such things to get fair redress / compensation for such use.

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 17:33

Marion

'' It will be a very sad day when the south will have to lose hospitals, motorways and an airport, plus I believe a power station, as that was all former TC land''



Those parts of land had been expropriate from ROC nobody is loosing there .

ROC will compensate the owners this is the legal thing to do .

And also there is not such thing as former tc land ,Is and it always be tcs land .



Ps: where is AJ with his old story about the deeds ?

erolz


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 17:46

Tracer the reality is that the RoC does not currently offer any mechanism for TC whose land has been used for public works to get fair redress. Eventually this will be challenged in the ECHR and the RoC will be forced to provide such a mechanism, but currently they do not.



There is such a thing as former TC land. Land used by the RoC for public works is former TC land. There is nothing illegal about appropriating private (TC) land for public works. What is illegal is to do such and then tell the former owners that they can not recive any compensation for their loss untill there is a general settlement, which is what thr RoC currently does. Nor is it legal to require TC that wish to reclaim their land in the south to first be resident in the RoC for 6 months before they can start the process, yet this is what the RoC does currently. Eventualy these illegalies will be challenged in the ECHR and the RoC will have to offer fair redress without such illegal restrictions.

Marion


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 17:53

You say that well, erol. the idea of destroying useful property is ridiculous, and all you have said is absolutely true. the unfairness is that a very nice property in lapta was ordered to be destroyed, and for why? It will be truly great when the property matters are dealt with fairly, justly etc through the appropriate channels. and yes, I firmly believe that the TC's method of compensation is currently grossly unfair. Having lived in the south i can see the difference well.

But when, when, when will the challenges be in ECHR?



By the wya, who is AJ and his deeds??? (message 39)

Marion


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 17:54

reading back through all this, i agree that message no 1 has gone a bit off thread, but these are the issues on which questions could have been raised in the House of Lords, and that is why they are appearing here.

Maybe the administrators will feel enough has been said on this thread (especially by me!!!???) - I would certainly understand.

brother



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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 18:05

Oh boy, this is all very exciting (!). I'm trying to find a point at which I can start contributing but a hydra would be envious of the number of entry points into this thread.

It appears that the mere hint of a development in the talks viz the situation affecting everyone on the island will cause the conflict of interest to rise to the surface.

Well, my dear casual reader of this forum, somehow you have landed on this web page and you may be wondering what on earth is going on.

The short of it (with respect to all those killed) is to all to do with what would constitute redemption. Yes, redemption because that's what the person walking on the streets of Cyprus is looking for.

On the one hand we have the TR settlers, some who lost sons in the 1974 inervention, they will surely need appropriate redemption. Then we have the Cypriots, they need redemption for losing their island. Lastly there is a legal duty to redeem ex pats. who have been caught-up in property purchase.

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 18:06

erol

Definitely a violation of RoC laws.

Human rights' violation as well, thus also violation of international law.



Don't take it from me. Read what the UK Foreign Office advises its own citizens:



"The ownership of many properties is disputed in northern Cyprus, with many thousands of claims to ownership of properties from people displaced during the events of 1974. Purchase of property in the north that was Greek Cypriot owned or that was subsequently classified as exchange land/property by the Turkish Cypriot 'authorities' carries a risk of serious financial and legal implications.



http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/europe/cyprus

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 18:07

cont;

The European Court of Human Rights has ruled in a number of cases that owners of property in northern Cyprus prior to 1974 continue to be regarded as the legal owners of that property. The case of Apostolides v Orams established that a judgment of a court in the Republic of Cyprus, ruling in favour of the original Greek Cypriot owner of land in northern Cyprus and against subsequent British purchasers, could be enforced against them under EU law in the UK.



Property owners and potential purchasers should also consider that a future settlement of the Cyprus problem could have serious consequences for property they purchase (including the possible restitution of the property to its original owners)."

erolz


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 18:19

Tracer there is no doubt that under RoC law purchasing property in the TRNC that was GC prior to 1974 is illegal. It is NOT true that it is illegal under international law. If it was illegal under international law then the advise on the UK Foreign office site would say it is illegal to purchase disputed land in the TRNC and it does NOT say this.



The ECHR has ruled in the past that GC who lost land in the North as result of the events of 1974 must be given a means of gaining fair redress for that loss. Fair redress may be in the form of restitution of said property, compensation for its losss or some ombination of such. This mechanism is now in place , the IPC in the North.



The Orams were not prosecuted under international law but under RoC law. You may want to beleive that purchasing property in the North of Cyprus is illegal under international law but it is simply not true to say that is the case.

erolz


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 18:30

Further the Orams were prosecuted in the RoC under RoC law BEFORE the IPC was in place in a form that met the requirements of the ECHR as a mechanism for fair redress. There has not been a case similar to the Orams since the IPC has been in place and there is a reason why this is so. That the establishment of the IPC in a form that the ECHR has deemd is a vaild form of redress would have an impact on any future such cases is almost certain.



The facts are that the ECHR believes that GC who lost land as a result of the events of 74 now have a vaild means of redress for that loss. The same can not yet be said for TC that lost land in the south after 74 let alone those that lost land from 63 onwards.



There are risks involved with buying property in the North on disputed land, as the Foreign Office advise states. But to say that means it is illegal to do such under international law is just incorrect.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 19:03

tracer



you have said time and time again about greedy brits ,cheap properties and stolen land ,are you sure you are any different from anyone else ,or should we take your word for it.



if someone offers me a deal ,i will always take it,it may be something to do with human nature.



musin



long live the kktc

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:00

You have to ask if its stolen first Musin .!!!!

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:02

There is no "lawful authority" in occupied Cyprus has jurisdiction to take any administrative action, including the transfer of immovable property.



The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) has recognized - with the decision of the 4th Interstate Appeal of Cyprus against Turkey, the right to reclaim the occupied property from rightful owners and there are already four convictions against Turkey.

The ECHR pending lawsuits over 2,500 Greek Cypriots against Turkey's owners and those who encroach. The number of applications is multiplying daily.

The General Assembly required by Resolution 37-253 to restore and respect human rights and fundamental freedoms of all Cypriots, particularly the rights of free movement, settlement and property.

Rightful owner of the entire territory of the Republic is only the Republic of Cyprus. Any 'title has already been or will be subject to any "purchaser", except by an instrument issued by the Land Registry of the Cyprus Republic, is ILLEGAL and void

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:04

cont;



Rightful owner of the entire territory of the Republic is only the Republic of Cyprus. Any 'title has already been or will be subject to any "purchaser", except by an instrument issued by the Land Registry of the Cyprus Republic, is ILLEGAL and void and does not affect the rights of legitimate owners.



is there any one to fix this 1000 character isue ? is frustrating .

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:07

Often my wife tells me that,I do not know how to(smooth) talk,because I apearently,always go for the killing!



back to 'off' thread;



Above all arguments,what is the solution all the while Turkey are seen as the accupiers of the TRNC?

demoly


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:23

Yorg if it wasnt for Turkish troops most or you guys wouls have been found in shallow graves.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:30

demoly;

You may have a very valid point.However,that is not something we alrerady don't know.



However,why is there nothing more then a cease fire,37 years on.................?

tracer


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:32

msg 53

keep licking that lollipop

demoly


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:33

There will be very soon. But Ill let you read about it on CNN or such like. sorry yorg...

AnthonySmith


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:34

Because Yorgozlu, many GCs were found in shallow graves. At least there was a "war", unlike the deaths of many Turkish Cypriots in the 1960s - abducted on their way to work, murdered by gangs of terrorist bullies.



How the Greek Cypriots continue to claim the moral high ground amazes me. No shame.

demoly


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Posts: 45

Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:37

Because AS they have the backing of the EU and are taking advantage of the current situation in the middle east

AnthonySmith


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:40

Ah, the old head in the sand approach; the yapping that the Cyprus problem began in 1974 and it was the Turks that did it. You might be able to convince many by shouting loud enough, but even your government is starting to realise and admit its mistakes.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:44

tracer you really have no idea what you are talking about.



If what you say was correct then the decisions by the IPC on settled cases re GC lost property in the North would have no legal validity at all, as according to you only the RoC can transfer deeds. Clearly this is total nonsense as the IPC was set up under the direction of the ECHR and has been deemed by them as a valid means of redress.



When the IPC gives former TC property in the south to a GC claimant as compensation for their lost property in the north as part of an agreed settlement then that transfer is entirely legal under international law. The fact that you and the RoC do not like this reality does not mean it is not true. Sure the RoC will try and deny any such GC claimant their rights to said compensation property in the south for as long as they can, but in the end international law in the form of ECHR will stop such futile actions.

demoly


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:46

wow thanx AS am now totally baffled. thought we were drinking from the same cup..

demoly


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:51

erolz international Law. ha. check out Israel landgrabbing in Palestine. Maybe cameron will send in the RAF ha ha

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:53

AnthonySmith;

Whats your comments got to do with my question?

demoly


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:56

Agreed yorg

AnthonySmith


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:57

Answering other points, Yorgozlu

demoly


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 20:59

Thanx AS. points about what ? like beam me up scotty..

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 21:47

tracer



you have to ask if it was stolen first musin,who do we have to ask the greek cyps who stole the turkish cyps

land or visa versa ,tell it to some one who does not know any better ,you have been stealing turkish land since the 50s one way or another and still are ,so i suggest you start to learn a little more and speak a little lower ,

you may just end up on your arse.



musin



long live the kktc

demoly


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Message Posted:
08/04/2011 22:00

well said musin

philbailey


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Message Posted:
09/04/2011 01:40

As an out sider what was the land/ property %

in say 1950 - 1974

what I read some 200,000 ? where displaced on both sides

in etnic gruops