Fund for the homeless in TRNC

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 15:50

Is there anyone out there who thinks it would be a bad idea to start a charitable fund to aid the people made homeless because of mortgage scams in the TRNC. This fund to help the genuinely homeless from all sites.

rocking


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 16:16

I have often wondered who has had to pay for solicitors etc., i.e. in the case of the Kutluz 5 and I think it would be a good idea for those of us who have our deeds etc., and love living here to help in anyway ie. if a fund was set up perhaps by Cyprus Today. There are thousands of us here and I am not talking of each donating hundreds of pounds but if all chipped in say and put 50 tl in, it would come to an enormous amount to help them, the only problem is getting the fund set up and to be overseen in a proper way.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 16:33

rocking, sounds like a good plan, I am sure someone at Cyprus Today who is a Turkish Cypriot could set up such a fund, the law requires that here. Maybe relatives in the U.K. could also set up a fund there. THis is not a personal issue for me, my family already loaned me enough to find another home here, hopefully if ever the Court Award is paid, or failing that K5 win the ECHR CASE, I can repay their kindness and trust. This is for all those who have no-one else to help them, don't forget there are hundreds it could and probably will happen

to.



As you rightly identify the legal fees are crippling, any reserves for illness or even a treat are now gone. We pay our own fees in the hope that if we win we will be awarded costs but paying out week after week is not easy.

AnthonySmith


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 17:18

I think times are hard for everyone, and the idea of a fund for the homeless, while worthy, is probably not workable.

Who would be able to claim? What if they didn't do things right? PtP, checks on mortgages, act when they should have done, should have changed solicitors when the advice was clashing with what those more knowledgeable were saying?

Those are just examples. There are a lot of people in trouble and facing trouble in this country. Where would it all end?

The cost of living has gone up, people haven't got money to throw away after falling foul of builders, lawyers, estate agents, other crooks.

The people who should pay are the builders, in the case of Kulaksiz and Aga and many other sites, not the victims. IMHO.

Pipie


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 17:26

i would be wiling to contribute !!! anyone else ?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 17:36

AnthonySmith, I believe that you are right. The builders in the case of Kulaksiz and Aga should most definitely be made to pay. Failing that I think the fund is an excellent idea for those who have been evicted after fully paying for a property. The fund should only be there to pay the rent for simple accommodation and not all the other bills they would have to pay anyway. A big push in the Turkish language newspapers might be able to raise awareness about these evictions and help to raise funds from Turkish Cypriots. Who knows they might even use their vote to pressure the current government to find some money, or even better stop the evictions so property purchasers wouldn't need charity!

negativenick


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 17:40

mess 4 -a top post Anthony - well done....





nick nack padywack - lets all chip in for a home........................

rocking


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 17:59

Yes we are all 'feeling the pinch' re prices going up etc., I was talking about helping with lawyers fees, perhaps that would have taken a little strain off these people. I was talking of people who have paid up in full for their properties - these people went the correct way about buying only to be 'had over'. 50 tl or whatever each of us could put 'in the pot' is not a great deal of money and it was only a suggestion to try and give support in a tangible way.

Pipie


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 18:06

Good suggestion rocking !!



So who would be wiling to give 50 ytl ?

malsancak


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 18:12

I certainly would be willing to chip in for a fund for those evicted after having fully paid for a home. It will obviously have to be organised as a charity with Turkish Cypriots in charge, because of the laws here preventing non-citizens from running a charity.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 18:16

Anthony I had in mind people who had been evicted - full stop. Anything else or making them prove they are worthy is really not at all what I had in mind. Obviously if it was a holiday home and not their only place to live it would automatically be a no no. We all know who should pay Anthony but the fact is, they are not going to.

I am not asking to buy them a house, just help them over the worst of it.



I am aware some people cannot afford to give or do not want to. It is a personal decision and I for one respect their right to such a decision.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 18:21

Pauline wrote on this very subject today on NCFP it is a strong possibility. The idea of old folks living int tents is an anathema to me.

negativenick


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 18:25

mess 8 - involving a lawyer who knows someone else is footing the bill is a recipe for disaster, imho....



it's the fecking govt that should be sorting this msss out........

AnthonySmith


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 18:32

Misunderstood, I didn't say it was a bad idea. I said it was worthy. I just fear it would be unworkable.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 18:37

negativenick, I agree with you, it's the government that should be sorting it out. Unfortunately I know what their solution will be if the pensioners at K5 are evicted and are homeless. Next time they apply for temporary residence, if they haven't enough to support themselves, they'll be deported and within a few weeks instead of the years it takes to sort out ptp. They're very quick to act sometimes.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 18:51

I think rocking wasn't suggesting they tell their lawyer who would already be working for them anyway, where his/her fee comes from is none of their business., in any event, the idea which of course needs refining is to help the folks cope if the worst happens and they are evicted. Of course not all will need help.



Anthony, I know it will be difficult but surely not to do anything, the alternative and to watch innocent people suffer would make it worth at least trying.



Lets us pray it never comes to it.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 19:01

misunderstood



Even though most of my savings have gone down the TRNC "Black Hole" and though retired I now have to keep working! I would be quite happy to donate, rather than see anyone with no-where to live! at least I still have a home in the UK



There are also many victims in the UK who lost their savings to the TRNC who have had to remortage their homes, and are crippled by the repayments! and many victims in the TRNC who have lost their money and now have to pay rent, even though retired! the list is endless!

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 19:07

Does help have to be financial? I am sure those less well off could help in other ways. How about:-

a) offering a spare room to allow storage of possessions for a few months

b) offering a month's accommodation for somebody made homeless

I am sure these are especially true for those who live here part time and do not rent out while they are away.

I am sure others can think of further non-financial ways to help.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 19:08

Why am I not surprised TRNC victim that you would step up to the plate.



I have just had an e mail from a very nice lady who reads NCFP. In the event it is needed she has offered her apartment for a few months. You see, I had not thought along those lines, there are so many kind people, it overwhelms me. It is positive thinking that wins the day.

AnthonySmith


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 19:14

Misunderstood, I've just realised you are Pauline. Welcome back. However, you seem to think, or act as if, the problems began an ended with Kulaksiz.



To quote: "Anthony, I know it will be difficult but surely not to do anything, the alternative and to watch innocent people suffer would make it worth at least trying."



The people at Amaranta and HZ Omer have been suffering since 2004. Many are renting, throwing money they haven't got away when they paid for a house; a good number have died - arguably through the stress of the situation.



Before I left North Cyprus the other week, I caught up on the Kulaksiz 5 situation and it is horrific. But some people have never had the houses they paid for, so thus are "homeless". What do we do about them?

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 19:40

No I dont, a fund would be there for the 1400 in the mortgage queue, not just K5, it seems that they would just be the first. If you knew me better, you would know I actively support all property victims. I have campaigned for Aga Victims, the candlelit vigil was for all victims, ask Tutuska, ask Olive Grove ask Sea Terra.

Hell I even got arrested for supporting Geoff Day, another property scam victim.



Being evicted after giving up your home elsewhere is slighltly different. Of course I campaign for K5, but dont confuse me with someone who doesnt care, I do, for all property injustice here in the TRNC/



Semantics Anthony being homeless because you did not ever receive you home is disgusting and should never have happened, being homeless because you did and lived in it and have nowhere else to live - being physically thrown out together with your

possessions, not knowing where you will sleep, that is the homeless I refer to.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 20:12

We need a credit union I think, how the hell it would work I have no idea, but it needs something x

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 22:40

Lilli It certainly does need something! but what?



I agree with misunderstood "not knowing where you will sleep" with all your home around you on the street must be the most dreadful predicament to be in!



I know Pauline cares she has stood shoulder to shoulder with Aga victims! and AnthonySmith I know the victims at Amaranta and Hz Omer have been suffering for many years! including me, but that doesn't mean I can turn my back on the victims at K5! and I understand that we (Aga victims) have had nothing! but the victims at K5 will end up with nothing! same scenario, different scam, same Government allowing it to continue!

Zoots


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 23:09

The Red Cross/Red Crescent helped thousands of people made homeless after the Turkish invasion in 1974 with tents and basic food supplies. Given that those now being made homeless occupied the properties of the original displaced persons, perhaps they can help again?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
10/04/2011 23:22

Zoots (mess 24)



We are now living in 2011! 1974 was 37 years ago! for gods sake move on!

Zoots


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Message Posted:
11/04/2011 00:24

msg 25,

Sweet irony is a fickle mistress...

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
11/04/2011 00:42

Mess 26 - and "Revenge" (please note quote marks) is a dish best eaten cold, surely?



Or is that the point you are trying to make?

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
11/04/2011 07:29

Zoots, I am sure what you posted was posted with'love'!!



The point Zoots makes is valid though, the more thngs change the more they stay the same' Man's

inhumanity to man, never ceases to amaze me. Very sad that the Government is allowing this to happen after it's own people experienced such homelessness, again through no fault of theirs. I would also add hopelessness to the mortgage scam situation.

Tasgirl


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Posts: 100

Message Posted:
11/04/2011 08:20

I would be happy to contribute to any fund set up, to assist anyone, facing difficulties after being targeted by the criminals in the building, construction and banking system in the TRNC.

Protection from these 'white collar' thieves, could be acheived, by creating a well funded body, with the expertise to take on the TRNC bank and Builder fraud, which is being allowed to go on unchecked.

Most important is to begin as soon as possible, time is running out for the unfortunate folk on K5, lets join together and explore every avenue to attack these people where so ever in the world they hide their illgotten gains.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
11/04/2011 08:24

Without wishing to get myself in further hot water, if you walk down the main drag in Girne - no name n blame

goonerstan



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Message Posted:
11/04/2011 16:31

misunderstood, could you please email me , i can offer some positive help

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
12/04/2011 07:01

goonerstan, I am unable to access your e mail until I have posted a certain number of comments. The fact that I was unfailry banned, had 5 stars as pollymarples is ignored. I have to start from scratch, part of my punishment for the glitch/gremlin in 44's system, GO FIGURE. This means I cannot e mail you but you can send an email to North Cyprus Free Press and it will be sent on to me. Sorry if I seem paranoid but I would rather not put my e mail on here.



Thank you for being interested and concerned. ALL property victims need help.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
12/04/2011 11:34

PAULINE'S LATEST OFFERING on NCFP DOES THE MATHS. See what the Bank stand to gain from K5's joint loss. Then maybe understand why talk of a fund for the homeless starts to make sense. Do not forget all those in the queue behind them. This is not happening somewhere else, it is happening here, it is happening now.

rocking


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Message Posted:
12/04/2011 13:06

Perhaps it could start with the forum making a list of anybody who will contribute either money or rooms etc., this does not have to be published on the forum, perhaps if one of the administrators could put out their e mail address and those willing to donate or help could get in touch - only a thought - I know this can be a complicated business, but it can be done.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
12/04/2011 16:31

Suddenly stars are appearing in more ways than one, good idea rocking if one of admin is willing.



Thanks for e mail goonerstan and suddenly I have enought stars t access your e mail, will be in touch shortly.



If someone can link the above article, it shows how to make a million without really trying, if you happen to be a Bank.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
12/04/2011 17:38

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/04/12/akfinan-banks-1000000-quick-profit-comes-for-pensioners-lifetime-of-work/

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
12/04/2011 17:42

Sounds fair to the Bank, they get £1,000.000 the pensioners get a tent each, if they are lucky.



I think it sucks.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
13/04/2011 00:38

please explain how this is possible

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
13/04/2011 06:42

Follow the link philbailey in messagen 36 the article details it for.



Original loan only ever 104,000 TL . THE bANK BOUGHTAT AUCTION FOR 2,077,000 TL, who did they buy from, themselves so net outlay at auction, 0,000,000 TL (MONEY OUT OF THE FRONT DOOR OF BANK AND BACK IN THROUGHT THE BACK DOOR OF BANK.) In other words, being both the buyer and the seller, no new money changed hands. Cost zilch, zero, nothing.



To answer the question how is this possible - you tell me. Could it be a scam? no surely not!!

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
13/04/2011 07:31

I am amazed by the genorosity of total strangers. I have already received e mails offering help.



A lot will depend on the outcome of Tuesdays hearing. It culd have long term implications for all in the mortgage queue.



THank GOd for good people, for every bad person, there is a thousand good people.



Never give in, never give up.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
13/04/2011 09:57

We now have had two offers of temporary accommodation should people find themselves homeless.



This is the sort of thing I did not envisage happening, people are so good and kind and rally round in a crisis.

I will keep a list. It wll be rather late to wait until it happens



I feel like crying at their genorosity. You see money is not the only way to help. Obviously if their offer has to be taken up, the recipient will be responsible for the bills, as indeed they would if they had been allowed to stay in their own homes. Let us all pray it does not come to this.



Pray for us on Tuesday 19th April, that we will receive justice. NOt the final decision, but one that will give the residents on K5 a breathing space.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
13/04/2011 14:46

Support at court will be welcome.

rocking


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Message Posted:
13/04/2011 18:08

What time on the 19th April.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
13/04/2011 20:17

Usually around 10.00 a.m but that does not necessarily mean that is when they wil start.



We usually aim to be there for 9.30 a.m.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
14/04/2011 06:46

Cannot wait for the BRS to unveil their plan to help property victims, that is if the Government are prepared to listen to them, they don't have a good tack record when it comes to listening. Maybe then there will be no homeless, we all become 'peppercorn tenants' in our own homes. Security of tenure sounds a bit as if it is going on along those lines. I would have preferrred to hear the words security of ownership. Still I won't second guess, just pray I am wrong.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
14/04/2011 19:18

I find it a little bizarre that the BRS have an idea to put to the government re evictions and the prevention of same, yet they have not, to my knowledge,discussed it with the potential victims. - Very strange.

Cocklebay


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Message Posted:
15/04/2011 11:24

We consider ourselves extremely lucky, we have lived here for nearly 7 years and have had no problems with housing, builders etc. We have a good quality of life here and would be more than willing to contribute to this noble cause!

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
15/04/2011 14:54

Thank you cocklebay, would that we all had had your experience. I am happy for you and grateful for any help. Some exciting thins are happening so I will just say, watch this space.

Pipie


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Message Posted:
15/04/2011 15:53

Oh I do hope for some positive news for you !! Please let us all know ASAP.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
15/04/2011 22:04

pipie - its on NCFP and malsancack's post, the brown stuff has well and truly hit the fan. We shall have to wait to see whether it develops into good news., it certainly is contraversial. Boysan Bora, our Advocate has been very brave.

slopjockey1


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Message Posted:
16/04/2011 01:25

check before you purchase great living here do your home work first keep smiling

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
16/04/2011 02:27

Message 51 - well, thank you for that very profound statement, i.e. "check before you purchase". Check what, exactly?



If only so many had thought of that, duh....................................

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
16/04/2011 07:11

Jeannie, some are smug because they don't have problems. All the checking in the world would not have saved K5 and many many more victims.



My advice at present would be don't buy unless you can afford to gamble on the possibiliity of loosing your money. They are thinking up new scams everyday, Ask Mr and Mrs Tapp, look at Geoff Day's ordeal, different scams, nontheless, scams.



No Kocan in your name - no money and even then the Greeks Cypriot situation is still there. So even smug people might have problems in the future. Pre 74 title - no PTP it is a minefield.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
16/04/2011 13:06

Whilst we accept that recent devolopments are good, we are not naive enough to believe that there will be no need for help. Let us hope we do not need help because Justice will be done, but let's be prepared for the worst case scenario also.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
16/04/2011 17:39

A bank official and another suited gentleman ( I use the term loosely) have been observed looking towards and pointing at another viilla belonging to an absentee owner. This villa is fully furnished and was bought as a retirement home in readiness for when the owners can afford to retire. This is the couple who made it into the English newspaper Express and Star. Looks as if they might be preparing to pounce, yet again. NOt for them the rule of law that demands a court hearing to apply for a legal sanction to be able to legally repossess

any villa. Something they have yet to do.

Bishop


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Message Posted:
16/04/2011 17:44

you have the phone nubers mobile the troops if they can not get there they may get frustrated and break the law ???

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
16/04/2011 18:54

I have the phone numbers from the CORCHIDACTUS watvch and if it shows signs of blooming, I shall use them. Even the most respected man in the TRNC, he came to the auction.