Pauline Read taken to Lapta Police Station in relation to K5

malsancak


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Message Posted:
17/04/2011 18:59

Just had a phone call from Pauline who says that whilst taking photos of the K5 houses for an article she was "arrested". Read more at http://tinyurl.com/67javnz

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 19:04

Oh god Mal this is now getting very worrying, I hope she is alright. Please keep us posted if you can x

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 19:13

I'm amazed that although the police ignored her accusation of the K5 employee allegedly trying to run down Chris, her partner, they had no hesitation of taking her in on such a trivial matter.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 19:15

I'll keep you updated on http://www.3cyprus.com as I receive news.

matula


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Message Posted:
17/04/2011 20:27

Please do Malcolm as one never knows when the thread may be closed here.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
17/04/2011 20:31

matula, you said it!

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 20:34

we need to know, my heart goes out to her xxxx

elko2



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Message Posted:
17/04/2011 20:59

Malcolm,

Please keep us informed. Unfortunately most policemen do not know the difference between an "arrest" and asking someone to attend the police station.



It is an arrest if they tell you to go with them but to make sure do not move until they make physical contact with you. Technically that is enough. They must have good reason to arrest you and charge you as soon as they get you to the police sation. Otherwise they are breaking the law and they may be liable to pay you compensation if sued in court.



If they ask you to go to the police station, you have to go within 24 hours at your own pleasure and there you do not have any duty to talk or give them any information. Again, they have no right to hold you there unless they arrest you. I would simply say I have nothing to say and walk away unless they stop you physically which constitutes an arrest and subject to my comments above.

ismet

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 21:03

Ismet, at the moment Pauline is not responding to txts. She's with Ipek Ozerim, Secretary of Embargoed! so I hope she knows what you know. Thanks for the most helpful information.

honestie


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Posts: 468

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 21:15

ismet if she has been arrested she is entitled to a solicior surely and would her solicitor have been informed and if not maybe should be

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 21:51

update on http://www.3cyprus.com/index.php/topic,7.msg93.html#msg93

wanderer


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Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 22:04

I always thought Pauline was a" twicher " a keen bird watcher its not her fault that she is a poor photographer and fails to get get the birds in focus

dearie


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Posts: 142

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 22:33

Message 8 - Ismet bey - you seem a very kind man always trying to help people with your knowledge and kind comments - it must be very frightening for Pauline especially if she doesn't speak the language. I hope she has good legal backing. What a disgrace

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 22:49

Hi the jailbird returneth. They kept us hanging around for 3 hours whilst Ertul Kader one other adult and

two teenage girls (possibly Kader's daughters )made statements. The really silly thing is, I was not taking photos, neither were any of the other people they accused of doing so. The two teenage girls in the car as it passed us ( we needed to turn were waving and gesticulating at me so I blew kisses, apparently that is considered insulting and intimadatory, a 66 year old blows kisses at two teenagers gesticulating at her and I am the villian - go figure. Ipek was accused of taking photos, she didn't even have a camera although both she and I could quite legitimately have done so as members of the press. This Bank just never stops.



Agile and I have got to go to the Police Station tomorrow to make statements and take our camera. Are you thinking what I am thinking, there goes our camera. The score now - 1 villa, 1 laptop ?1 camera???

I was doing nothing wrong.

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 22:52

It is an arrest if they tell you to go with them but to make sure do not move until they make physical contact with you. Technically that is enough. They must have good reason to arrest you and charge you as soon as they get you to the police sation. Otherwise they are breaking the law and they may be liable to pay you compensation if sued in court.





Wonder if Anthony Davey??? knows this. Wake up etc. It don't work like that for us. Not complaining mind, it;s just the bad that goes with the good here, so far more good than bad for me.

Blackpoolfan


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Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 22:55

A Boomerang is straighter than the TRNC legal system!!!!!



Good luck with your continued battle for justice, fingers crossed that common sense will prevail, but please don't hold your breath

birdman



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Posts: 690

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 23:00

Perhaps we can ALL go and take pictures ? If I knew where and how to get there I certainly would. How embarrassing if the cameras had NO FILM in them !!! How many can they arrest for taking photos (or NON-PHOTOS of a friend/friends in a street ? Is it a private/public road ?

Somebody please give me directions to find this newsworthy street.

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 23:30

Heres' the giggle. It was Pauline Green they came for, she is eco friendly but when did her name change to green. There were several people they could have chosen, but as usual, Pauline was the target. I cannot think why, she would love to have nice things to write about them.



birdman, coming from Girne, take the next right after Semina, follow the road until you come to a wheelie bin, there is also a small digger type thing at present, bear to your right over dirt road,

next left and your are in Democracy Sokak.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 23:42

msg. 14,

Pauline,

I understand that you were not arrested. Go to the police station tomorrow and do make a statement even though you don't have to because you have nothing to hide. Do not take your camera with you. If they want it so much they can take out a search warrant from the court and search for it but you should not give it to them like last time when you gave them your lap top and still have it although they brought no charges against you. As one British judge put it once, "There is no such thing as helping the police with their enquiries, nobody is obliged to help them".

BTW, Ertuğ Kader is the son of Adem Kader, the Chairman of Akfinans Bank.

ismet

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/04/2011 23:47

Msg 19 , why should she have to do anything

this is not a good advert for Cyprus

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 02:44

Elco,

Surely a quiet word to the chief of police from your much esteemed self would help this lady in her plight. What with this being north Cyprus, your wife boing a judge and you knowintg the law and all that.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 03:50

Zoots,

I am afraid you got it wrong. My wife is not a judge and never applied to be one. She is a member of the Bar of Famagusta and does not take on cases outside the jurisdiction of Famagusta Court.



I have a feeling that the police in Girne are monitoring this forum but in Cyprus (north and south) when things are done wrongly for so long, at the end they think its the right way.

ismet

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 08:07

Ismet,



AmI allowed to type our my own statement and that of Chris and sign and date it and give it t them?



In any event as a press member, would they have the right to take my camera?

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 09:02

msg. 23

Malsancak,

First of all you do not have to write anything but if you wish to do so you can write it by hand or have it printed and give it to them after signing it in their presence.



The police are entitled to confiscate any "evidence" caught red-handed. Otherwise in my opinion they have no right to confiscate anything unless they have a court order.



When making statements at police station you have the option to write it yourself or as in my case I cannot write anything by hand so I ask them to write it for me. However I insist that they write exactly as I say it. If they write differently, I get them to put parathesis round it and carry on with the correct version. After a couple of corrections they give up and do as they are told

ismet

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
18/04/2011 09:06

Thank you everyone for your kind words and support.



This is the last post I shall put on C44



You all know where to look if you want news of what is happening to Kulaksiz 5 or me personally.





Pauline Read

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 09:22

Is there no end to the humiliation of the TRNC.

Nice to see at least someone has the guts to stand up and say ENOUGH!

Shame on these TC’s, and Shame on the Government for allowing a bank to use the police as its own private security force. How low can they sink?

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 11:59

Home Office Circular 31/1964, paragraph (b):



"That police officers otherwise than by arrest, cannot compel any person against his will to come to or remain in any police station."



Not different in Cyprus but in practice this rule is broken all the time both in UK and Cyprus.

ismet

DeaconB


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 13:30

The whole thing stinks of police corruption, although the courts do seem to get things right eventually. The bank should take note of this as they persue this course of deliberate persecution, it will be taken to account at court.

These disputed properties must be the banks only assest otherwise they would not be blinded by such desperation as to complain about people taking photographs.

Birdman is right this could become a very popular area for twitchers, there seem to be plenty birds of prey to watch out for in the area.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 13:38

Has she been to the police station yet?

Tasgirl


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Posts: 100

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 14:39

Dear Pauline, I can now understand how you felt, when confronted by anyone connected to the 'bottom' of the TRNC banking system, at your home. I followed your directions to see for myself what was occuring at K5. The two Kurdish throwbacks, patrolling the street had the nerve to try and intimidate me. When I fronted them all they wanted to say was 'No English' I think my reply of 'No Kurd' might have unsettled them a little. Had I been a woman, the sight of two very ugly Kurdish labourers advancing towards the car, albeit holding hands, could be fightening. Take a bat with you if you walk down there again

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 15:16

full story of Pauline's two visits to the Lapta police station at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/04/18/police-demand-pauline-read-visit-lapta-police-station/

Marion


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Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 17:00

Sorry guys, and although this is a bit late, could I please put the record straight re ipek's help to pauline. Ipek has taken the K5 saga to her heart, but please note that she is no longer active in Embargoed! in the way she was, and has not been so for months. She was a founder member, but several months ago felt th eneed to stand down from active involvement in Embargoed! However, as you can see, she still cares in her own right for those who are victims over here, and so any visit to Pauline was nOT as Secretary of Embargoed!

Hope, however, that she was of help.

and before you think i am being interfering, I was asked to put the record straight, c os no one else in the current E! group is a member of this forum (well, maybe one.....................)

malsancak


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Message Posted:
18/04/2011 17:31

The confusion is reading the Embargoed website - http://www.embargoed.org/who-we-are.php where it says she is/was Secretary. It doesn't make clear that she is no longer with them.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 17:32

The confusion is reading the Embargoed website - http://www.embargoed.org/committee.php where it says she is Secretary. It doesn't make clear that she is no longer with them.

Marion


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Message Posted:
18/04/2011 18:07

Apoligies Mal. I have asked the powers that be to tidy up the web site. Ipek stopped being Sec ages ag, but I have a feeling she was in charge of the web site! Say no more!!!!

Sorry you were misled.

Marion


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Message Posted:
18/04/2011 18:23

Ah but, I have just taken a look at the web site, and it states very firmly that Emel is Secretary. so maybe Mal you are looking at an old web site! In fact I have alsio looked at the link you gave, and again it is the new website with the beautiful emel - no mention of Ipek. so I am really c onfused now.I made the mistake of not looking at the web site, but now I have I cannot see where Ipek came in.

But not to worry, she still cares and that is shown in her care for pauline.

Harold2555



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Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
18/04/2011 20:55

Tasgirl



That sounds intimidating enough man or woman (well not sure about the hand holding) but do you think "No English" was an instruction or a statement that they spoke no English or was it ambiguous enough to give the "wrong" impression anyway?



H

malsancak


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Message Posted:
18/04/2011 21:51

Marion, weird! It came in on this link http://www.embargoed.org/who-we-are.php

birdman



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Message Posted:
18/04/2011 23:32

I will take my two doberman doggies to introduce them to the nice Kurds tomorrow. Unfortunately THEY speak no Kurdish so I will have to translate for them in English, or are dogs not allowed to be taken for a walk in Democracy Sokak ? I can always visit Bob there though!!! LOL

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
19/04/2011 00:10

birdman What a great idea I just love it..Think we should all just walk our dogs up and down the area from time to time....Just found out where they are down behind club simna hotel right down the bottom some place.. For sure our dogs are going for a few more walks down that area very soon...LOL. Thanks so very much.Maybe we might even bump into a few people to talk to at the same time.. often do while walking the dogs













Spider,x

Zoots


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Message Posted:
19/04/2011 02:03

Tasgirl msg 30,

birdman



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Message Posted:
20/04/2011 09:33

Surprise surprise, no one accosted me, spoke to me or approached me ! No one wanted to pat my dog on the head or pose for a picture from my battery-less digital camera. But I now know where to go when/if the flower blooms.!!! Funny to see Spider there doing the same thing!!! LOL

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
20/04/2011 09:59

Demokrasi Sokak may be the new attraction point for tourists- the symbol of failed justice in TRNC. Can somebody who knows the place determine the coordinates from Google Earth please? I would love to put it on my navigation gadget.

ismet

birdman



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Posts: 690

Message Posted:
20/04/2011 23:11

How could I resist Elko2.





35deg 21' 23.58 N 33deg 07' 55 07 E



Happy navigating but watch your speed !!!! LOL

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
21/04/2011 01:09

God this will be the new Belin Wall x We could all buy a peice of it and donate it to the poor souls loosing their homes x

AnthonySmith


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Posts: 455

Message Posted:
21/04/2011 06:27

Well, sorry to be the misery guts in all this, again but I don't see how this is helping the buyers living at Kulaksiz. Pauline lives elsewhere. That's not to say the whole saga isn't wrong, but this is coming across as "goading" and attention seeking.

Ipek is not a member of the press. she writes a column for Cyprus Today. There is a big difference. And pauline? Er, don't think so. That argument will not hold water with the police there.

I'm increasingly becoming worried that all this will turn the individual police officers against the whole K5 victims. Someone told me there was good news in court this week and the case will be reheard. Surely, now is the time to draw in the shenangans and, hopefully, let justice take itds course.

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
21/04/2011 06:46

I did not intend to post again but Anthony Smith you are coming across as goading and attention seeking.



Ipek, told the Senior police officer she was a columnist, HE TOLD her as such she could take photos legally, which she had not anyway. Whether Pauline is entitled to take photos for her stories on NCFP is also open to debate but since she did not take photos either, your comments are irrelevent.



A case, not THE case will be reheard on 6th May 2011, if we win it will only stop Akfinans Bank from selling any of the properties until the result of the final case (there are several) is decided. Of course the biggee

which according to Akan Kursat did not exist is the ECHR NOW FULLY ACCEPTED and questions being put back to us. Strangely, between leaving Strasbourg and arriving at Boysan Bora's office, mail is going MISSING, seems tentacles could even be spreading into the postal system, telephone calls have established this, could this be another violation of our HUMAN RIGHTS.

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
21/04/2011 06:59

Shenannigans AS. It was a lawful quiet meeting held at K5 so all K5 members could be present and so Ipek could see the site she has heard so much about. It was blown out of all proportion by the Police being called and what you all do not know is it did not end with Ipek and I being detained for 3 hours, it was followed by the Police raiding Bobs home at 9.30 the same night and then coming back at 7.30 a.m. the next morning when he was still in bed, demanding to see his camera and a photocopy of the picture page of his passport and then doing the same to another resident. Shenannigans if that is the word of choice AS are theirs not ours.



Everyone knows the reason Pauline could not continue to live at HER villa was her health, does that make it less her villa, 2 legal opinions agreed the taking of this villa forcibly was Criminal but of course YOU know better. It is a very rare event that brings Pauline to K5 simply because it is too painful for her.

Read about it on NCFP

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
21/04/2011 07:32

Ant, sorry I seem to have forgotten what your solution was to pensioners being evicted? Do you remember the Aga Saga? Perhaps you were with those that told ABAG to shut up and it would all come right in the end. How about HildySmith, any advice for her concerning Hasan Sungar demolishing the houses in Incesu? Pay the money? If you haven't got justice then all you have left is protest and publicity and if you haven't got these then I guess you're right Ant, people should shut up and be thankful for any small mercies thrown your way. Maybe it's because I don't come from a lay down and take it culture that when people rip me off I do something about it. Ant, I respect your right to make suggestions to people with property problem but if anyone isn't helping IT'S YOU! Anyway, my comment will give you something to write about today. Have a nice day!

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
21/04/2011 08:46

Malsancack, Just let him get on with it, he will anyway. He knew all the answers when the mysterious 't' appeared in pollymarples e mail which was later PROVED impossible to be any fault of hers. He is a man on a mission. I just wonder who he answers to.? As far as I am concerned, when he has walked a mile in the shoes of ANY PROPERTY victim he might have something to say I could be vaguely interested in.



Retired musician - I think there is more than one string to his bow.

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
21/04/2011 09:14

and he will have their shoes and be a mile away from them

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
21/04/2011 10:38

Good he is welocme to my shoes, if they fit him??

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
21/04/2011 12:13

Simon Bahcelli has written a good article in Cyprus Mail http:www.cyprus-mail.com/british-expats/harassed-home-buyers-sue-sheating-bank-nort............



If this does not work Google Cyprus mail Harassed hme buyers and that will take you to where you can click on to this article.



The link: http://www.cyprus-mail.com/british-expats/harassed-home-buyers-sue-cheating-bank-north/20110421

(elko2, moderator)

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
21/04/2011 21:35

msg.44

Birdman, thanks for the coordinates, I will visit the place out of curiosity next time I am in that area.



ismet

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/04/2011 22:07

Hi all yes it was nice to meet you birdman the other day with you lovely dog I like yourself though I would go and see..And like we said found it to be very upsetting indeed. I like yourself stepped into the shoes of these poor people and walked just a few steps. I could feel their pain as I looked around. As Pauline has said there will be no peace in the lives of whoever takes over living in these properties. How can there be ? :( They know the WRONG DOINGS AND THE HURT AND PAIN...My heart goes out to all the RIGHTFUL OWNERS.Keep fighting and stay strong.I hope members of the public continue to visit.keep them all wondering why we look,why we stand and pray.Because they KNOW....What harm were we doing but someone was watching us watching them..



Spider,X

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
21/04/2011 23:55

I hope I got it right. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26171843/K5.jpg

ismet

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 07:42

spider, in more ways than one - with 5 CCT cameras placed on my villa (they didn't ask permission) I wonder if they are relayed to the Police Station? They could be looking straight into the neighbours houses for all I know. If my car turns into the street I expect the police will swoop. It is painful to watch what they are doing to my villa and because of who they are, that is all I can do - watch.



If anyone was in any doubt that they have a vendetta against me personally, Sunday should confirmi it. I think I was one of the quietest in the group, we all did nothing wrong, but I was singled out fro arrest, go figure.

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 07:51

ismet Have just printed off your map it is absolutely correct, just caused another lump in my throat. The place to the right of K5 with the pool is Mon Amore! Not that you need to know that.



Isn't it strange, when I think of it or see this map, I just break down and weep. When the police force me to 'visit' them or the Bank people are harassing me, I just go stony faced.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 09:52

Pauline,

I did not intend to upset you at all but I think you should make a short summary of events with a short description of how to get there, print the Google map all on one A4 page and distribute it at hotels and travel agents as A Place of Interest, a Symbol of failed TRNC Justice. Most people now carry a mobile with GPS capability, so it should be easy to enter the coordinates and get there.



For your information, the coordinates are:

Conventional 35deg. 21' 23.58 N, 33deg. 07' 55.07 E or

Decimal 35.356550 N, 33.131964 E

ismet

PS: "Justice" does not mean only the courts but encompasses the whole set up.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 10:45

Ismet, thanks for that. I've used your information to post a K5 map at http://www.3cyprus.com/index.php/topic,84.msg284.html#msg284

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 12:10

Here is another one http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26171843/Pauline%27s%20House.jpg

ismet

batgirl


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Posts: 676

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 12:20

Msg 61

Ismet the "pin" showing K5 is correct but the pin showing pauline,s house is the nightclub across the field

whoops!!!!!!!!!!!!

japeal



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Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 12:26

Pauline,as they have put CCT cameras up are they paying for the electric to run them?

wanderer


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Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 12:46

Nightclub might be where the money borrowed went in not funding the builders business

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 12:58

I like your sense of humour ismet - Madame at a whore house - I could do that.!! Perhpas I could earn the money to pay off the Bank, I'll rephrase that, perhaps 'my' girls could earn the money

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 14:12

Troodo wrote: "Shame on these TC’s, and Shame on the Government for allowing a bank to use the police as its own private security force. How low can they sink?"

Where is your sense of loyalty to your hosts? You used to be so supportive of the TRNC and took great pleasure in attacking those who criticised this place. Now listen to you.

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 14:44

Thanks to the other newspapers cowering at Akfinans Bank, we have had to pay to have information to be put out there for the Turkish speaking people of the TRNC. Volkan the only paper brave enough to take our business.



See today's edition of VOLKAN - front page, page 15, page 16, page 17, page 18 - full pages of text and photos. Boysan Bora's statement in Turkish.

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 15:25

misunderstood,

Volkan is the chosen rag of extreme nationalists and fascists and is largely confined to Anatolian settlers (those who can read). You won't find many intelligent TCs reading it.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 16:01

msg 61,

Sorry about that, I thought it was too far removed from the others but who knows? Pauline, are you sure you do not run this one?

ismet

PS: the offending picture has been removed.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 16:02

Zoots, Cyprus Today is read by middle class conservative ex-pats and you won't find any of them reading about the allegedly illegal Akfinans Bank K5 break in there because the newspaper won't even take a paid advert about the incident.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 16:06

How much were the adverts?



Would this money be better spent on a website?



A newspaper is for a day (?)



A website is on-going

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 16:32

philbailey a website domain only costs £6 for the year and anyway K5 apparently have a website.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 16:37

Msg 72 ,that was my point but the name of the website is important

but for individual places but a general name

something to warn future investors

e.g . cyprus property or similar

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 17:48

The website is up and running philbailey/ Ths is an exercise in showing the Bank that they don't control everyone, Kibris Gazetesi, Havidis, Haberdar Cyprus Today would not run it even if we paid/ How much,

too much.



ismet, I am not at all offended, I think it is very funny.



Zoots - we know it is not our first choice but the others are under the heel of Akfinans so what can we do..

Shame on the TRNC FOR LETTING THEM GAG THE PRESS SHAME ON THE NEWSPAPERS FOR NOT HAVING THE COURAGE TO TELL THEM TO 'GO TO HELL' which is where they will end up anyway.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 17:51

ArticlLE on the Volkan publication plus photos on NCFP. Also on meeting this morning with the new

Turklish Ambassador, as Mrs Thatcher once said, seems like a man I can do business with.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 18:47

article at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/04/22/kulaksiz-5-meet-the-turkish-ambassador-and-are-in-volkan-newspaper/

express you feelings about Akfinans Bank at http://www.3cyprus.com/index.php/topic,82.0.html

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 20:29

philbailey I think Kulaksiz 5 in now synonymous with dodgy property deals so that is the website

http://www.kulaksiz5.com/ it carries a lot of info.





I have been rounding up articles with a picture of a man going through widow Eva McCluskey's window, I now have three on my facebook page. Eva's husband died around Christmas time last year, the stress did not help his medical condition. How many more of us have to die before action is taken. We are all living onour nerves.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 20:33

Msg77, nobody in England thinking of buying a property

would look for kulakiz on-line

they would google cyprus proprety or similar

that was my point

unless you find this similar forum

you will not know of any problems

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 20:37

Example google north cyprus property you get



http://www.google.com/search?q=north+cyprus+property&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=b9K&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&prmd=ivns&ei=iLyxTYqbCMHLhAeWycjrCg&start=0&sa=N



no mention of any problems

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 20:43

I will get Pauline to write an article entitled North Cyprus properties and why you should not buy there.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 21:27

Estate Agents pay Google for the North Cyprus Property tag, we've got "TRNC property problem" covered though

http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=trnc+property+problem&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

Have to think of other searches an ex-pat might make. HBPG often comes up after a search but it's a not a clear website for warning people.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
22/04/2011 21:31

Msg 81 , would a potential buyer

google "problems"

maybe some would but I feel most would not

but all the best it is a step in the right direction

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 08:08

Volkan are fielding calls from members of the public in unprecedented numbers, the question most are asking is 'Is this really true?' We all know the answer, hopefully so will a lot more Turkish Cypriots. Perhaps the more popular TC newspapers will now stop shivering in fear of Akfinans and follow suit.



Can you imagine in the 21st century this sort of censorship going on anywhere else in the civilised world.



Shame on the wimps.

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 13:27

Took your advice philbailey. Article on NCFP North Cyprus Property Market in crisis does come up when you google allbeit at the bottom of the fist page.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 13:32

Well done

was surpised to read



"not to mention the pending EU membership and increased foreign investment. Now watch the price of property investments rise at up to 35% per annum, and you’ll see why a North Cyprus property investment is a lot more than just buying a place in the sun."



Is this true?



(not in your article)

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 14:29

Yes of course it is true and I have a fairy ring of toadstools in my garden, the one in Karsiyaka but of course I cannot show you because there are 5 CCTV cameras guarding it.



They live in cloud cuckoo land and like the cuckoo, commandeer all other's nests.



The north and the south have mega problems and all the lies in thw world cannot hid them.

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 14:39

philbailey canyou give me a link to where it says 35% increase and imminent EU membership. Pauline will enjoy writing a spoof on that one.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 15:49

Msg 87 , on this forum



http://www.cyprus44.com/property/investment.asp

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 15:57

Take a warm climate, friendly people, beautiful surroundings, historic sites, and surround them with the warm Mediterranean sea. Add a newly refurbished airport, brand new golf course, fabulous water sports, and golden beaches, not to mention the pending EU membership and increased foreign investment. Now watch the price of property investments rise at up to 35% per annum, and you’ll see why a North Cyprus property investment is a lot more than just buying a place in the sun.





Just below the Unwins advert

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 15:59

misunderstood msg 57: "Also on meeting this morning with the new Turklish Ambassador, as Mrs Thatcher once said, seems like a man I can do business with."

Remember saying that about some "sympathetic" Turkish official before the K5 demo in Nicosia? These people aren't to be trusted. They are crude and vulgar bullies don't have the mentality of those from Western democracies. They only understand the Big Stick treatment and have no respect for the weak and especially expats on exchange properties. Too much of a problem for them.

Tread warily. Deportation and property confiscation could await anyone who embarrasses the Turkish authorities and their puppets once too often

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 16:38

For once, and sadly, I have to agree with 'Zoots'. The charming, smiling Ambassador probably forgot everything as soon as he got rid of you.

Zoots is right, they ARE all the same.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 17:10

Are ythey ever Phil both north and south they are cyliprots x

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 17:55

Don't worry Zoots and kaiserphil, unlike some others, I realised long ago, the only one to help you, is you.

So I will plod on and if i get deported, I get deported. I have already been pseudo arrested twice, have my own secret service policeman so I guess, my card is well and truly marked but I am too old to change. I'll meet every official I can, I won't go quietly, at least my head won't be stuck in the sand.

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 17:56

philbailey, thanks, I think Pauline can have some fun with that. Maybe tomorrow, watch NCFP.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
23/04/2011 19:18

Well Pauline, please believe that the majority of us are rooting for you. You have bags of guts!

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 09:48

One week since I was pseudo arrested and over 4200 hits here, whoever does Akfanans's PR need sacking!

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 14:03

Did anyone know that the TRNC have been hosting an International Finance event since Thursday. well soon you can read about it on NCFP. No I am not joking.............

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 14:17

Definiety not off topic when you read Pauline's article.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
24/04/2011 19:26

You can now read the article from Today Zaman - Turkish paper and my printed comment on NCFP

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
24/04/2011 22:24

Good article misunderstood! how the hell can the TRNC host anything to do with international finance? It must be like something out of Monty Python!!!!!!!

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 06:51

except it is not funny.

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
25/04/2011 17:36

more reasons on NCFP WHY BUYING IN CYPRUS IS A BAD IDEA AT PRESENT. Probably more reasons for me to be targetted by my friendly police people

Yankmed


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 4

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 11:58

Tomorrow we leave for the States. In the past 6 months we have made 4 visits to the TRNC to settle the estate of a relative and if our experience is anything to go by it is no wonder that the TRNC is on its uppers. If there has been a chance to lie, cheat wriggle and squirm it has been taken. As part of the estate there were 13 sums of money due ranging from about $1300 thru $30,000 and in every case there have been attempts to deny, cheat, twist and generally be dishonest. Everything is very well documented but the people here you call lawyers are a joke, how can they operate? Even the Cojan for the house is a mess, wrong areas, wrong title – what is a lawyer for? Certainly not for acting in the clients best interests, they obviously do not have what in the States we would call ‘a duty of care’...

Yankmed


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 4

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 11:58

…. The chance of legal redress or any satisfactory conclusion would appear to be zero. A beautiful country ruined by a rapacious, incompetent bunch of crooks! I feel desperately sorry for the many people we met cheated out of their life savings for the crime of wanting to buy a house in the sun and at a time of lives they looked forward to taking it easy. Avoid the TRNC

lovinit


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 745

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 12:05

Yankmed have a safe journey home, so sorry to hear of your bad time here, you are just one of many. Make sure you publicise your experences when you get back to the states, hopefully no one else there will fall into the TRNC trap........

As you so rightly say rapacious, incompetent bunch of crooks...the place is full of them...... the only thing missing is the mask and visable gun.......

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 12:48

Yankmed,



Join the club! you tread where many have gone before! but you put it so beautifully "A RAPACIOUS, INCOMPETANT BUNCH OF CROOKS"



Have a good journey home!

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 13:32

A really great post Yankmed. You got it in one!

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 15:48

Yankmed The only thing they are competent at is thieving. That they have down to a fine art. Pauline Read has tried every way she knows how to expose this. If you know of an American newspaper or any of the media you think might be interested refer them to this forum, refer them to North Cypurs Free Press, refer them to me.

It would be ironic if the land of my father should turn out to be the place we find the media interested. The British media, just do not want to know. It will take a tragedy to get them here, as if losing everything is not tragedy enough/

At a time when you are grieving, they do this to you - shame on them.



You can guarantee my secret service policeman is reading this.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 16:26

Yankmed

I can only agree with your comments. Accurate assessment.

Yankmed


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 4

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 19:48

Thanks for your comments. Yes it is sad that such a beautiful country is so ruined. Cyprus is unknown in America (as are most places outside the USA!) However should they be interested they could look at the TRNC Government website on http://www.northcyprus.cc/ and they will find that it has been closed down for non-payment, it somehow says it all!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
26/04/2011 22:52

Yankmed (mess 110)



It's the same south of the border! the Island of Cyprus raped & pillaged by successive Governments! not much is left! just heartache & destruction along with the rubble! except for the I Love Cyprus everything went right for me idiots

Jwheeler&Sons


Joined: 10/06/2008
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 00:13

Super injunction in place -

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 01:36

Stand up to the superinjunctions. You would have thought Andrew "Wingnut" Marr would have enjoyed the publicity.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 07:23

And now it seems even the Finance meeting said to have taken place here, starting Thursday last and supposedly lasting for 4 days may not have happened even though it was reported in Today Zaman. Did you know KKTC had a Development Bank? Not off topic Mr Moderator, still dealing with alll things dodgy and perhaps the Police will become involved??



If it did happen, would the KKTC Development Bank be pleased with the shenanigans of the other Banks, how can they promote development sucessfully whilst the other Banks make the country look foolish and use the Police to help in their power games, witness the harassment of K5.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 08:47

The 'arrest' and continual harassment of Pauline Read is a clear demonstration by 'the powers that be' that they are determined to resist 'change' at all costs. It is, indeed, a sinister thought to think that their obvious long term strategy can only be to claw back, for TC's, as many expat. fully paid for properties as they can possibly get away with. If this is not the case, then surely they would have 'nipped Akfinans et al in the bud' and demonstrated to the international community that their integrity and good intentions warrant the lifting of their isolation. As matters stand, their politicians' pleas for a 'fair go' and the continuing efforts of 'Embargoed!' are being totally undermined by their own defiance and skulduggery.



The RoC's intransigence in dealing with their lawlessness has presented the TRNC with the perfect opportunity to implement the necessary changes and be able to demonstate the 'moral high ground' to the world.



Mould - same - cast - ring any bells?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 15:41

Same mold and same cast is true for north and south Cyprus. It is not really a matter of setting up a system intentionally where buyers, local and foreigners alike, can be cheated out of their life savings. It is really a matter of incompetence coupled with apathy about the inflicted injustices.



I know of a few Turkish Cypriots who are in trouble with their purchase but in all cases they did not consult lawyers before signing the contracts, only after the trouble became obvious. As far as "aliens" are concerned they all consulted and paid for lawyers before signing on the dotted line. In these cases it was really a matter of conflict of interest: the vendor would recommend an advocate and the advocate (whether recommended or not) would mind his own interest which meant a wish to continue to do business with the same vendor. Thus a desire to conclude a deal even if against the best interest of his client. Added to that, the client would be very pleased with his advocate because of a speedy deal and would even recommend him to his friends. The truth would surface much later.

ismet

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 16:13

Spot on ismet, as usual.

tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 18:34

Can Pauline not get an injunction to prevent any more 'Police Harrassment'? This poor woman has suffered more than is believable. Who can she appeal to for 'fair' treatment here in the TRNC? Who protects the rights of expats? Any knowledable TCs here who can/are prepared to advise?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 19:47

Tomsteel, suppose you are the judge, how would you phrase your order? Can you see the impossibility of your task?

ismet

tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 21:21

Ismet, I guess I suggested International Law as the precedent - am I naive?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 23:09

Tomsteel,

Let us have your court order in accordance with Internationbal Law and see how you will phrase it without making a major blunder. I am sure not even Lord Denning could do that.

ismet

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 23:36

Tom,



With a racist "constitution" the foreigners have no hope.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
27/04/2011 23:49

Elko2



The whole system in the TRNC is utter and complete rubbish! "Lord Denning is wonderful compared to the Cypriot way!



Pauline is wily tomsteel! but there is no "fair" treatment in the TRNC or the ROC! they are both a Law unto themselves!



Anyone thinking of purchasing or investing any money in Cyprus as a whole must be completely mad or have money to throw to either Cypriot Government or their Advocates without a backward glance, in which case I feel sorry for you!



As for International Law in the TRNC? you would do better to watch a Monty Python Sketch



It's Worthless!

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 00:07

TRNC Victim,

My comments above were clearly about a request for a court order to restrict the police from interfering with the movements of Pauline. I was merely demonstrating the futility of such a request. I am not denying the shortcomings of the TRNC government, the advocates or the system in place. But to make such a court order against the police and claiming that it will be in accordance with International Law is utter nonsense. Let us not murder International Law for convenience. I am sure you can see such a simple point. You do not have to be a lawyer to see the futility of such a request. I have great admiration for Lord Denning. He had a record number of decisions by him overturned by the court of Appeal but he never gave up despite of insults from his superiors and at the end he was proved right. Parliament amended the laws in order to bring them in line with Lord Denning.

ismet

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 00:16

elko2 (mess 124)



I am sure than any request to restrict the police from interfering with the movements of Pauline will be met with futility! of that we are in unison!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 00:43

Zoots msg 122

In what way is the TRNC consitution racist ?

I believe this is a faithful english language version

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/main/polsyst/constitution/

I know that there are many ways in which this consitution is not implemented in reality and I am more than aware of failures by TRNC to treat non citzens fairly in various cases, but your claim is that the consitution itself is racist. So would you care to explain what parts of the consitution it is that you think are racist ?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 07:41

Erol,

Zoots is trying to make some noise from time to time, not to be taken seriously, hence not worth a challenge.

ismet

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 08:18

tomsteel Ismet and TRNC victim are right. The only way to stop the harassment is for Pauline to give up

on her right to freedom of speech, keep stum Or to ingore the dictactes of Akfinans Bank and every time they tell the Police to jump, the Police say 'sod off' instead of 'how high'.



In the UK harassment like this would have been jumped on a long time ago, but as we always say, we are not in the UK



What heros, trying to frighten the life out of a 66 year old woman. Their mother's would be proud of them.

Earlybird


Joined: 28/04/2009
Posts: 816

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 08:25

Misunderstood, I am glad you said mothers. Fathers??????? Questionable!

Tasgirl


Joined: 31/12/2008
Posts: 100

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 08:53

You can tell it's a sign of a 'good' police force when they catch more criminals than they employ !!!!!

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 08:58

In England you can sue the police for "false arrest". In Cyprus you can do the same. Same laws but different judges, different mentality. This is the problem. However to pretend to know International Law and ask for an injunction on the police not to interfere with the movements of an individual is utter nonsense. My disagreement is with this. It is so easy to dream up laws in utter ignorance.



TRNC Victim and Pauline have serious and genuine grievances but this does not make them legal experts. Here I am discussing a legal point which seemed absurd to me. That's all. Of course everyone is entitled to their own views but disagreements on some points should not be construed as a denial of inflicted injustices. Nothing of the kind.

ismet

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 09:29

Ismet



Your arguement has no flaws as usual and comparisons with the UK are as in most instances interesting but not of much practical use. I am however reminded of a "Not the nine o'clock News" sketch of many years ago where a Police officer ( Constable Savage) is being questioned by a superior on why he is harrassing a black person. With apologies I will paraphrase



"Why do you keep arresting Pauline Read constable Savage?



"She's a criminal sir"



"A Criminal"



"Yes and a jailbird sir"



" I know she's a jailbird Savage- She's in the cells now!"



"Well there you are sir!"



"You arrested her Savage!"



"Thank You Sir!"





A poor analogy perhaps and not meant to belittle Pauline's experiences but maybe as indicative of the paradigms being faced as the original racism being ridiculed in the original.



H

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 11:26

TRNC constitution: The Status of Aliens:

Article 13

The rights and liberties referred to in this Constitution may be restricted by law in respect of aliens, in accordance with international law.

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/main/polsyst/constitution/

The passage above explains clearly why foreigners' rights are abused in northern Cyprus. Everyone's civil liberties are protected by the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) - apart from unfortunate foreigners in the TRNC.

Turkey ignores international law in TRNC, having been found guilty of numerous war crimes and human rights abuses and defying United Nations resolutions. So it's laughable for the TRNC to even mention "international law".

Which is why Polly Marples and others in her position have their property seized without warrant, are ejected from their homes and threatened with arrest if they dare to stage a peaceful process. Which is exactly the kind of thing that goes on in tinpot, Third World banana republics.

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 11:54

oops ismet and we all know ignorance of the law is no excuse, or a prime requisite when applying for a job here in the police force. I have to say when the police officer who pseduo arrested Pauline for her 'style' of reporting in the Geoff Day case, she burst out laughing, at least she is ignorant of the law and not contemptuous of it, When a sort of garbled version of a caution was started but never finished, she was sorely tempted to finsh it with 'and God Bless all who sail in her' it was that farcical.



Harold2555 That is funny.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 12:06

"Zoots" there is not a consitution in the world that does not confer different rights to citizens as it does to non citizens (aliens). Neither is citizenship a matter of race. Of course you already know this, but once again reality is irrelevant when the objective is to 'create impressions'.

So your claim that the consitution is racists is clearly nonsense. It is disciminatory in that it confers different rights to citizens than it does to non citizens, just like every other consitution in the world.

Same old same old eh Campbell.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 12:24

"zoots" it is also sheer nonsense to say that citizens rights in the TRNC are protected by the ECHR but non citizens have no such protection. No where does it say this in the TRNC consitution and even if it did, which it does not, it would be meaningless anyway. The rights conferred by the ECHR statues on human rights apply to each and every indivdual in those countries that are signatories ot the ECHR. This includes the TRNC as previously ruled by the ECHR with Turkey as the controlling agent as far as ECHR issues are concerned. Yet again you know this is the truth, yet you post your lies anyway. Same old same old Campbell.

As for ignoring UN resolutions, Turkey is far from the 'leading' country in this regard. Many countries have and do ignore UN resolutions and some with far greater regularity than Turkey has.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 12:26

Seizing pensioners' property without warrant and threatening them with arrest for peaceful demonstrations because they are not citizens. Acts which have earned widespread condemnation for the TRNC.

That kind of behaviour happens in dictatorships and police states but not in civilised countries. No matter how many people with vested interests act as apologists for the bullies.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 12:59

Well we haven't made it into the British press much but certainly Turkey is aware, the British parliament is very aware at least now they acknowledeging what is happening and discussing it in various groups, so although they say there isn't much they can do, they are very aware of the misuse of powers by those who should know better.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 13:18

I am not acting as an appologist for bullies, as you well know. I am happy to condem the TRNC authorites for not doing more to help the K5. Unlike some I do not profess support for their situation on one forum , whilst ridiculing them on other forums under hidden names.

As ever "zoots" you use all your old tactics in such discussions. You start with an unspoortable nonsense claim that the TRNC consitution is racist and when challenged on this nonsense you just shift away and move to unspoorted insinuations about the person you has refuted you claim. In this case that I have a cested interest in being an appolgist for bullies.

The fact is you claim that the TRNC consitution is racists is rubbish. You know it and you knew it when you wrote it. Same with your claim that the ECHR covers citizens in the TRNC but not non citizens.

Same old same old Campbell.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 13:32

Erolz,



Any constitution which bans freedom of expression on grounds of race - as the TRNC did with Polly Marples and her supporters - is racist. Hardly unsupportable nonsense, as you claim! Ask pensioner Polly, who is now shadowed by police bullies for committing no crime.

Erolz wrote: "I am happy to condem the TRNC authorites for not doing more to help the K5."

That's fine, it took a while but you have partially redeemed yourself. No need for any reply.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 13:46

I am afraid you do not get to determine if I reply or not "zoots".

The TRNC does not ban freedom of expression based on race. It places restrictions on the rights of non citizens to organise public protests in the TRNC. Not a restriction I support personally but neither is it a racist restriction, as you well know. Nor is it it unique to the TRNC. Many countires have similar restrictions. What is more should any indivdual, citizen of the TRNC or not, wish to challenge such a restriction on the grounds that it infringes their fundamental human rights, they are more than able to do so via the ECHR, despite the lies you have posted above.

Cobbler


Joined: 15/11/2009
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 14:22

Surely the fact that Greeks are not allowed to buy property or live in the TRNC is racist - just asking, I don't wish to get into a fight.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 16:59

erolz What happens when you know your Human Rights are being violated and you are too old or too poor to afford to appea to the ECHR. Surely, the easiest solution would be for the regime who bemoans the fact that the world is violating their Human Rights, lead by example and do the right thing. It is easier to make a point from a position of strength.



Justice in the TRNC seems to be only available to those who can afford it - Akfinans for instance who has a strangle hold on the press. Who can get the police to appear immediately, but when pensioners call them they take two hours and then appear with two Bank officials in tow.



From where I sit the level of intimidation increases daily.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 17:17

Misunderstood I am totaly aware that recourse to the ECHR is no easy thing. The point I was making was that "zoots" claim that no such recourse is available to non citizens of the TRNC in the TRNC is just a plain blatant lie, as is the claim of it being a matter of racism.

As I have said I have much sympathy for your plight, as I do for all those other who have had similar nigtmare stories in the TRNC, including I might add many TC as well as non citizens.

However what is going here in regards to 'zoots' contributions is a seperate matter and one that concerns me as well. My firm and honest belief if that 'zoots' cares not a squat for you or your siutation, beyond how he can use it and manipulate it in the wider context of an ongoing , planned form of 'information warfare' aimed at the TRNC and TC. I think the LAST thing zoots you actualy like to see is the TRNC government step up and solve your situation for you, for that would remove a useful weapon in his campaign.

[cont]

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 17:20

I on the other hand would be over the moon to see the TRNC admistration get a grip on this sorry situation and end your woes. I am more than willing to stand by you, as a TC citizen and fellow human being, in any way that might help you in your situation. I am not willing however to idealy stand by and let posters like 'zoots' exploit it as part of an ongoing campaign of 'information warfare' aimed at the TC people and the TRNC, which is what I firmely believe they are doing.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 17:30

Then I hope erolz that you will be over the moon very soon.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 17:31

Erolz,

What have you done to support the K5 victims? Why do you defend the TRNC bully boys, the corruption and the cronyism that singles out vulnerable pensioners? Why attack someone who speaks out for the victims and criticises the TRNC system?

Is it because you have a vested interest in protecting the TRNC from criticism or is it just paranoia about me? Others posters have already told you this is boring. Take it off the board if you have personal issues. You appear to be diverting the cause of Polly Marples and the K5 victims for your own ends.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 17:44

"zoots' you really have no shame do you ! Show me a single instance where I defend 'bully boys'. No but of course no need to actualy show any evidence for your claims, that is only sonething other must do at your demand, not something you need to do, as ever. Nor do the failing of the systmens in the TRNC single out vulnerable pensioners, they affect many in the THRNC from all backgrounds and all walks of life, but again thats not quite emotive enough for your needs is it, so why worry about truth.

What vested interest do I have in protecting the TRNC from critism ? Any evidence for this claim, either that I have vested interests or that I protect the TRNC from ciritism ? No of course not. It's only panroia if it isnt true but I believe it to be true, but we both know that isnt the case here.

It is perfectly possible to be sympathetic to Paulines plight whilst also having a concern for your attempts to exploit in your ongoing campaign of information warfare against the TRNC.

[cont]

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 17:49

Which is exactly my position. I have said I am more than happy to help Pauline in any way, they have only to ask for my help and if possible I will given any reasonable help I am able to. That does not mean the issue of who you are, what your agenda is , how you are exploiting her situation for your own ends and how long you have been doing so is not a real issue and one worhty of comment and discussion. Of course you would like to shut down any such discussion, but you do not control me or this forum, thankfully.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 18:15

I have to say erolz, I cannot say that I have seen a TC being singled out by the police in the same way I have been. I have been there when TC's were under threat of auction, the Tutuska auction. I was there persuading Mr. Murat Soyer not to bid. All I have ever done is to tell the truth and to try to engage the Turkish Cypriots in our plight, not just mine, every one at risk of unjustly losing their homes. This is a stain on the good name of the TRNC and if there is some way you can help anyone of us, please do so.



I have a voice, it is my right to exercise it.



The last time I was pseudo arrested, it was me the police asked for by name, even though I had not said two words or was even carrying a camera, if that isn't harassment, I do not know what one would call it No-one trespassed (though how that is possible on a property I paid for I do not know) we had assembled peacefully inside someone's home for a meeting.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 18:30

Pauline I do know of TC that paid in full for properties only to discover that their ownership has been usurped either by the orginal seller, or another buyer or a bank and where the police have been used to evict these people.

I have no issue with you campaigning for justice for yourself and regardless of what stain such campaigning may or may not bring to the TRNC authorites. I admire your detemination and fortitude throughout these trying times.

However please do not think that 'zoots' care on iota for your predicament. He is almost certainly the same person as the poster Eric Seans on cyprus-forum, where he calls you and others like you 'carpetbaggers' and joke about how you would all be best off drowned in Girne harbour. When I can be bothered I will compile the compelling circumsatntial evidence that zoots , is this poster and the real life journalist Campbell Thomas.

I have no issue with you standing up for your rights. I do take issue with an indivual using your plight

[c

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 18:33

I do take issue with an indivdual who has been running an information warfare campaign against the TRNC / TC / Turkey for nigh on 10 years now on this fora and many others using deception lies and undehand meathods in the persuit of this agenda. I sincerely wish you all the best in your struggle and if you want a TC citizen witness for the next time you wish to 'assmeble' in someones house you are more than welcome to call on me.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 18:52

However if we go off topic, this thread will be closed and I think it has an important message still.



I believe in the not too distant future the police could be brought into line and will not be able to intimidate a person who is a thorn in the flesh of Akfinans Bank as easily or as readily as in the past.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
28/04/2011 20:55

Perhaps some justice for K5? If anyone deserves it you do!



Keep the Faith

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
29/04/2011 06:26

Pauine is telling her story in a interview with pollymarples, from the day she moved into K5 until the end of the the 3 ciourts cases she personally instigated on NCFP. Warts and all. The police might like to read it, then maybe they would temper their harassment of her with a little understanding.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 07:46

For those o you who might be in the slightest bit interest (I don't blame you if you are not) but I wil explain why I became a Member of the Chartered Institute of Journalists. It was as a form of protection from the Police. It seems that a Journalist can take photos with little intrustion from the Police, at least that is what they told Ipek



I wasn't even sure they would accept me, but applied anyway, they asked to see samples of my work, I sent them, they acceped me. So now I am a fully paid up Member of the Chartered Institute of Journalists. NOt a career move (ambitious middle aged journalist - if only?) I am almost 66 years old, I found myself writing because of my own experiences, not other peoples. I now try to campaign for others in whatever way I can.

I am not a nosey old biddy, just a caring human being. If you come on to a forum and expect to find the answers, you won't, but you will find is caring ordinary human being who empathise with you.

Pauline R

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 07:59

Forgot to say, it was the idea of the Editor on NCFP so no, I do not have delusions of grandeur, just a keen sense of self protection. I am getting a little tired of sitting in Lapta nick being ignored but not being allowed to leave.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 08:01

Unfortunately, the international rights of journalists don't seem to be respected in TRNC and Turkey. Only recently, a journalist, who'd been here for a long time, was deported on some whim. Then, one only has to consider how many journalists are currently languishing in gaols in Turkey.....

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 08:12

in Pauline's case she'll publish anyway so being a UK registered reporter just makes any action against her more internationally newsworthy.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 09:13

Yes and couple that wth what they are doing to K5 and maybe, just maybe it will be the breakthrough into the British media - Reporters without Frontiers will n ormally take up the case. but let's hope it doesn't come to that.



Don't forget Friday 6th May 2011 Girne District Ciourt 11.00 a.m. youir support will be welcomed although you probably have to support from outside, court rooms very small.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 12:01

Pauline, a genuine question.

Have you,/ did you sell your house privately on Democracy Sokak, for £220,000 prior to all this nonsense with Akfinans bank ?

I ask because I was told the above statement by a K5 resident ?

Had you moved out of the house also prior to all the shenanekins going on there ? (Also mentioned to me)

I still support you all from K5 wholeheartedly, but can't help wondering why, if you had sold and moved out, prior to all the Akfinans Bank intervention, you have been so vociferous in your interest in THEIR case ?

Full support guaranteed !

Gerry

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 12:12

birdman - Of course I did not selll my house for £220,000, I have not sold it at all. If you look on NCFP you will see I am serialising my Breach of Contract Court Action and the two other cases I tried to bring against Akfinans. I won the Breach of Contract and was awarded £120,000 by the Judge on the 6th November 2009 but to date have not received this money. My Advocate assured me I am the owner of my villa until such times as I receive the award or Akfinans get an official Eviction notice sanctioned by the court, neither of these things have happened, I did move out about two weeks before the auction because the villa was in such a poor state and the damp spores were affecting my lungs, I have chronic bronchiectasis of both lungs which basically means any infection is life threatening to me.



The villas, not one of them is worth what we paid for them, my purchase price was £102,000.



Where do people get thes carzy notions from, £220,000 I wish......

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 12:20

Pauline you know by now love, what they do not know they make up. Good luck for friday. x

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 12:24

birdman



I am in this ongoing case with 8 other owners of K5, the only one couple who isn't must the the sh** stirrers.



I have not had my award, the record on people actually receiving the award is very poor, hence me joining the rest of K5 so yes I am vociferous.



Can you really see anyone paying £220,000 for a house not even worth £80,000(in my opinion) ?? Come on, do you think you were being lied to deliberately, they all know my situation.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 13:23

this malicious rumour would explain a lot of the negativity towards Pauline, inferring that she has profited when other K5 residents have received nothing. Birdman, you obviously know who is spreading this rumour, and I'm sure you're not the only person they've talked to, possibly you can persuade them to apologise and make amends by contacting those they've misinformed and put the matter right. Pauline's character has been affected by this false rumour and has weaken her support in her efforts to help K5 residents. Not nice, Akfinans Bank couldn't have done better themselves!

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 16:37

birdman I am pretty sure that having met with most of the other residents today, those involved in Fridays case with me are not who told you, why would they tell such blantant out and out lies. I think it is the one couple who have settled with the Bank, at obviously at an advantgeous rate for them to be able to tell such outrageous lies about me. So much so, that if I can prove it, they will be hearing from my Advocate and I shall be looking to taking legal action against them if it continues.



As Malcolm suggests, they are doing the Bank's dirty work for them. Come to the court on Friday and you will see me there with the rest of K5.



They should hang their heads in shame, a) for knowlingly telling you such lies and b) for selling out their neighbours. Karma will deal with them.

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 16:56

birdman



I am not a K5 resident just a resident in cyprus. Surely someone stating Pauline had sold her house for 220,000 would have made you realise it was made up come on 220,000 in your dreams.



Keep up the good work misundertood

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 20:26

Because of the extensive work on my villa and digging up the road for drainage, Akfinans have made it extremely difficult for the residents to get into their own driveways with their vehicles, Ertul Kader's answer to this problem. Park somewhere else. Can you imagine if were on reverse, he would have the Police all over them..



He must be so proud intimidating and bullying pensioners, what a hero,

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 22:23

Pauline, Thanks for clearing up what was an obvious lie. I'm sure , as you said, that I am not the only person to have been told this.

Having been and looked at the properties I found it hard to believe the £220,000 but wanted to hear it from you.

The very best of luck on Friday, I will try and be there.

Gerry

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
03/05/2011 22:32

birdman (mess 169)



Please do more than try to be there if you live in the TRNC so many of us live outside and just can't be there to support K5! your presence will be I am sure appreciated!

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
04/05/2011 07:15

I know it could only have been the couple that did a deal with the bank birdman since you identified them as residents of K5, here's something just for them.



If they are prepared to go to such lengths to tell and spread such lies, then they must be doing it for the bank, logically, it must have been one hell of a deal they got if causing this sort of trouble is part of the price How low can people stoop?



Unlike them, I am not spiteful and nasty so I will not be the one to reveal their identity - ever.



Do say hello on Friday if you manage to come. I respect you for asking the question of me and for also making me aware such a lie was doing the rounds birdman. As if all of K5 aren't hurting enough already.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
04/05/2011 07:48

Just another thought - if, as I have been accused of, I had sold my house for £220,000, what an evil bitch I would have to be to knowingly sell a property with a mortgage on it. Of course it could never have happened because the diligent Advocate ( I know, is there one?) would have found the mortgage when the Contract was registered with the Tapu. All in all, it is a silly rumour, designed to intimidate, undermine and generally besmirch my reputation. Some nice folks around, aren't there. Like I said, that must have been one hell of a deal.

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
04/05/2011 08:43

I wish some one would name and shame these despicable people who spread the story about Pauline selling her property so they are ostracised by all decent people who are following this.

Good luck to you all for Friday's hearing.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
04/05/2011 11:25

Having just had an e mail from Jo Clark, I have been asked to inform all on this board that she was NOT the person Who gave me the information about Pauline. I have only met Jo once before at Tolgars a couple of years ago and didn't even know where she lived.

I will NOT be giving the name of the person I spoke to as I keep my promises.

Pauline has answered my question in full so as far as I am concerned, that matter is closed.

Gerry

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
04/05/2011 11:35

Thanks for clearing that up Gerry. I look forward to hearing from Pauline very soon

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
04/05/2011 13:59

Thank you for that birdman, I do not intend to ask you to tell, since Jo has seen fit to ask you to inform the board it was not her, then I accept that. Other than the Turkish families they are the only ones not involved in the case so the plot, as they say thickens. I do not intend to bother to try to find out, as frankly I cannot be bothered.



birdman asked the question and gave the reasons for asking it. I gave him the answer. If there is someone out there so deluded they think I would waste my time, energy and money chasing a case I need not be involved in then clearly they have much bigger problems than me.



Jo if I misjudged you, then I apologise - Pauline

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
04/05/2011 19:34

So, you apologise only IF you misjudged me?



Yesterday the rumour-mongers were going to be hearing from your Advocate but now you have been told it was not me, you cannot be bothered to find out who it was!! Remind me again what it was you were saying about karma and hanging ones head in shame??



If anyone would like a summary of the nasty, vitriolic postings Pauline and her mates have made about me in the last 2 days, even going so far as to read something into a post I made about the Grapevine restaurant, please feel free to email me and I will be only too happy to oblige.



Finally, it would be nice if, in future, a moderator would nip these nasty, rumour-fuelled postings in the bud.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
04/05/2011 19:46

North Cyprus Free Press and 3 Cyprus forum folks - look for yourself.

berilela


Joined: 17/07/2010
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
04/05/2011 20:05

keep up your good work and you keep your head very high you have done NO wrong

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
04/05/2011 23:49

joandjelly (mess 177)



Karma and nastiness don't go together! I don't know you, but maybe you don't think out of the box? to be insular and just look a your side of things (maybe because you want to protect yourselves and I understand that)? but sometimes the bigger picture is important not only for the future of the TRNC but for any future victims! to keep things hidden as many Aga victims wanted to, leads to nothing for anyone!



What is happening in the TRNC can't be allowed to continue, insulation leads to even more corruption! and the TRNC has enough already, don't you think?



Nasty rumours have been rife about Aga site's for years, and moderators on this forum and others have banned us for what purpose?



The Truth will Out in the End!

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
05/05/2011 07:19

Latest Intimidation by Akfinans Bank LImited.



The roads are being dug up and residents cannot easily get into their own drvieways - Akfinans reaction to this - park somewhere else.



Electiricty used by Akfinans Bank - shortfall in communal bill of over 400 TL,.

Akfinans who are using heavy machinery on this supply, reaction : If you dont pay it you will be cut off.



Compassion oozes from every pore.



Would reporting it to the Police do any good? Would the Kaders stand for it where they live? We all the know the answers to both these questions.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
05/05/2011 09:35

TRNCvictim; msg180



You are absolutely right you do not know us. So please don't preach to us in such a condescending manner.

Also don't accept that the truth is the only thing that is posted on the internet. Just because something is repeated many times does not make it factual.



We have had to comment on this due to the unfounded, untruthful accusations and insults that were leveled against us by several users.

So everybody please check out the facts before posting. Don't just make it up.



Regards



Jel

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
05/05/2011 19:34

How will the residents of K5 cope if they do loose their electricity, although they are still on builders rates, running a generator will be horrendously expensive.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
05/05/2011 20:49

joandjelly (mess 182)



I am well past preaching to anyone, let alone someone I don't know, and you sound equally condescending!



As for truth posted on the Internet! I learned my lesson many years ago!



As far as accusations go, I don't think I have accused you of anything yet, apart from perhaps being insular? of which the definition according to the oxford dictionary is:- from an island of islanders which are narrow minded!



The TRNC is insular, maybe it has had to be because of the embargoes against it, but by the same rule it's insulation has lead to greed, and much dishonesty! with a leadership that has no where to go to put their wrongs right even if they wanted to! which they obviously don't!



One thing I do know the truth will come out! and that's not preaching or being condescending, truth always wins in the end!

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
06/05/2011 07:08

Of course you were not TRNC vicitm.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
06/05/2011 17:27

didn't see you today birdman, hoped you might tell me who?, if I saw you face to face???



Looks like it might have to remain one of life's mysteries unless of course there is someone out there who was also told and would like to tell me who it is - I can be contact on NCFP, all mail is forwarded to me.

Tasgirl


Joined: 31/12/2008
Posts: 100

Message Posted:
06/05/2011 18:13

Dear Miss marples, It was nice to meet you and some of your supporters today, albeit 2 hours late. I am sure someone will one day tell you how the start time of a court hearing came to be changed, 2 hours after close of business !!!! Shame to see so few people there, I had expected to see the roads leading to the 'court' blocked with the hundreds or even thousands of house buyers, who will soon be in your position themselves.

Maybe a week on Friday at 10.30 am the cheated buyers might just stand up. Like you I had hope to see the Birdman, the man who starts a rumour by saying 'someone told me' and then later tells us that it's rubbish, but I'm more interested in his 3 gold rings, if a bombing run is necessary he could prove useful.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/05/2011 18:49

How many people turned out to show their support, Misunderstood?

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
06/05/2011 19:06

the usual people plus a few more, but nowhere near enough zoots. I am afraid some the heads are still firmly in that sand, in fact I suspect that when their houes are taken, they will be left where they are stuck as garden features.



Nice to meet you tasgirl

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
06/05/2011 19:53

Short report from Pauline now up and running on NCFP

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/05/2011 20:45

msg 189 "in fact I suspect that when their houes are taken, they will be left where they are stuck as garden features."

And they still won't realize they've been reamed.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
06/05/2011 21:27

misunderstood (mess 190)



I would imagine it's the usual suspects who have supported you?



Zoots (mess 191)



It pains me to say it! but you are right again!

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
07/05/2011 05:34

Yes, good old cyprusishome, Mrs cyprusishome. erol,lorraine,marion,honestie,gerry,tasgirl, if you were there and we didn't get to say hello., sorry but thanks for coming. Thank you all.



I know the change of time did not help but remember Friday 20th May 10.30 a.m.



If you care - be there.





Remember you could be next. Do you want to end your life as a garden feature?

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
07/05/2011 08:17

That you cannot make people care about what is happening to you, I accept.



That you cannot make people care about what is happening to them, is so sad.

iffytimes


Joined: 07/05/2011
Posts: 20

Message Posted:
07/05/2011 09:00

That you cannot make people care about what is happening to them, is so sad. ................



there are none so blind as those that do not want to see

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
07/05/2011 15:19

We have problems here as indeed we do but read this. I certainly would have the police on my tail if this was about the north. It is not.



http://www.news.cyprus-property-buyers.com -

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
07/05/2011 19:31

It's quite revealing that in RoC, developers' collective debt to the banks verges, allegedly on €6 Billion; also, that in recently introduced leglislation, buyers are liable for fines for their developer's misdemeanours - incredible!



Won't officialdom here lap up that latter bit: 'Tanrim - we never thought of that one!'



It'll be on the 'law books' here before you can say 'Jack Robinson', just as the rest of the current 'open to exploitation', copy-cat legislation is!

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
07/05/2011 19:40

Read about the enterprising ruse by Buy and Sell Est. Agents in the south. If I said that about the banks here I would be up at Lapta Police Station in 'my' celll faster than you could say Gunesh Mentes.



Just posted the article about it on NCFP.

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
07/05/2011 19:54

Misunderstood



my friends are involved in one of the biggest scandals which is on a par or maybe worse than here with one of the big banks and builders there . They were threatened and some already have had the legal action started against them and if the bank win the will have their assets seized in the UK thats whats been threatened. Most of the morgages that were taken out were by a deal with the bank and developer you can guess the rest now no building finished and a so called fraudulant mortgage given which has now risen to a stupid price and she was also advised to mortgage her house in UK for the first stage payment!! That was by an investment co in the UK in conjunction with the builder and bank. As you can imagine its ongoing in a bigway and there would appear to be around 300 involved.



You certainly couldnt make it up!!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
07/05/2011 19:55

Jeaz Pauline time to ship out I think. It all stinks. You konw what saddens me that no one would ever beleive you, They would just think its sour grapes if you even try to explain your reasons for going. My son said to me the other night accept it Mum you screwd up . xxxx