Isn't it about time that this stupidity stopped? - Part 2

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:04

He has accused me of being a "Rip-off merchant" a "Liar" a "Cheat" and many other things - here is a thread started by our customers the last time he was banned from this forum http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/59203.asp read the 'glowing' recommendations and take note !



As far as I can see, he has only dealt with one customer "Proger1" and he has had problems and 'no' offer of a solution from mmmmmmm who just said that he didn't make enough money out of the deal to help Proger1 out - if that's an acceptable excuse, I think that I will try that one - 'not'



He has 'repeatedly' and that is the key word (repeatedly) maliciously speculated about my business on this forum and when 'I' chose to ignore his 'pathetic ' attempts to blacken our 'legal' TRNC business - he accuses me of not being able to answer questions that he has asked a 'hundred' times before and which I have answered on many occasions.



cont/..

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:04

If mmmmmm has no 'business' interest in this area as 'he' claims - why does he 'repeatedly' maliciously speculate about our business. Well, here's a good reason - he admitted above that Iceman looks after his ex-customers in the South and therefore, it's in his interest to help Iceman, and to help him, he maliciously speculates about us.



BUT 'they' don't like it when I do the same to them.



Is it only me that all this is 'obvious' to or, has mmmmmm blackmailed 'everyone' on this forum with a free VPN ?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:09

mmmmmm - the photo that you posted on the other thread - it's a 'suppliers' conference



I once went on the BMW stand at the Car show in Birmingham, doesn't make me some sort of BMW big noise !

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:14

You didn't mention the name of the Satellite TV company that owned - did you forget ?



http://www.4bigtv.com - having paid you so much money for the business (as 'you' claim) - you would have thought they would have wanted the web site too and not left it blank - te,he,

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:18

BUT mmmmmm everyone knows that as a UK resident, you should be accounting to the UK tax authorities.

Seems to me that you are diverting your income through ROC whilst living in the UK.



Your 'whiter' than white hat is starting to slip !

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:22

Yes, you do have a lot of time to sit at the PC - what is it, on the dole or, online Poker player ? ;)



Is that how you got to know Rob' ?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:24

Washerman



re msg 1



1/ To BE a customer - one has to have bought from me.... Again - Proger followed my advice ( except the bit about contacting the company from outside their designated area ) .. he got cut off... I'd have thought this was a CLEAR evidence that my warnings as to how you cannot 'guarantee' continued service were well founded.. AGAIN.. what are you going to do when your clients have Proger's problem? ..and they WILL ..



2/ I made no profit from advising Proger, nor do I make any profit from the VPN - I'm happy to help folks who ask.. and I spend about 2 hours a day helping folk get set up - NO CHARGE...





3/ You weren't honest in your claims nor pricing - I'm glad to have ensured you had to drop your prices and stopped claiming 'officialdom' - it is good any potential client know the risks involved .. it took you a long time to 'come clean'.. ;)



Cont:

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:30

You said:

1/ To BE a customer - one has to have bought from me.... Again - Proger followed my advice ( except the bit about contacting the company from outside their designated area ) .. he got cut off... I'd have thought this was a CLEAR evidence that my warnings as to how you cannot 'guarantee' continued service were well founded.. AGAIN.. what are you going to do when your clients have Proger's problem? ..and they WILL ..

Are there any other terms and conditions in your mmmmmm' book of advice do's and dont's that people should be aware of ?

You ask me:

What am I going to do when my clients have Proger's Problem ?

Please Paul (Proger1) email me the details of the receiver and I will get it switched back on for you - just to prove it to he who walks on water AND I will do it free for you !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:32

4/ 'Blackmail', now is it ?! You are losing it, now.... Concentrate on my ripostes to your 'evidence' I have a 'murky past' and failed business !





I have NEVER emailed ANYONE using my VPN with spam or passed on their info, nor use their IP ...do you REALLY think the 'treat' of losing a free service stops folk from 'revealing my dark side' ? :D



This is simply about ensuring ex-pats get treated fairly... when some one asks about sat tv, I don't list any urls now and I even mention Nilesat and the risks involved in subscribing to pay tv , AND that the only completely 'safe' ones are DigiTurk and Nova Cyprus..



You, on the other hand self-promote and are 'economical' with the truth... your clients will may be only find that out when it's too late :(

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:33

You said:

3/ You weren't honest in your claims nor pricing - I'm glad to have ensured you had to drop your prices and stopped claiming 'officialdom' - it is good any potential client know the risks involved .. it took you a long time to 'come clean'.. ;)

How come so many people bought from us ?

You ensured that we dropped our prices ? - Is this guy 'really' for real !

Come clean, OK - http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/59203.asp

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:37

I wonder what people think when they read the clap trap that this guy posts !

Never mind Pearl or, Barry Snakes he's got to be the 'best' show in town !

Mark - you've forgotten to give us the name of the Sat TV company that you owned - who really is your best friend - Rupert Murdoch or, Walter Mitty ?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:38

re msg 8



Proger



If I were you I'd take up Washerman's offer - but bear in mind that it could happen again - get cut off - if you associate your receiver with Washerman's grey-market source of supply ..



The safest way to get back on is to do it your-self having the Arab states tel number and a 'local' ( Arab state) IP address when you email 'em



Washerman,



>>What am I going to do when my clients have Proger's Problem ? <<



Proger is not a client - you know VERY WELL, that if / when your 'grey market' supply sources(s) are investigated and tracked down - you won't be able to pull the same 'stunt'.. you NEVER address specifics, Washerman





I'll hope you, or AJ, can revert with the next 'chapter' re my 'dark past' ;)

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:41

I self-promote do I - what a naughty boy I am and me with an 'official' TRNC business [goes off to check where in the company Memorandum and Articles it says that I can't self-promote my business]



Right, I've checked and guess what, you're talking clap trap again

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:44

A lot of time spent on the computer so, is it: on the dole or, online Poker player ?

As a UK resident, do you account for Tax in the UK ? - oh never mind, I'll check for myself.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:46

mmmmmm you only dealt with one customer (who put his trust in you) and you cocked it up. Now, that's what I call a 100% perfect track record ! Well done !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:47

re 11

Washerman,



>>Mark - you've forgotten to give us the name of the Sat TV company that you owned - who really is your best friend - Rupert Murdoch or, Walter Mitty ?<<





I 'forgot' nothing.. I simply asked you to address lots of unanswered responses I'd already made to your outlandish claims...



I have already posted the name of the company on this very site during the time someone was claiming to be installing hundreds of little sat dishes for UK TV on the island... I was right ( just like dopi / uran) about what would happen to them, too ....



You can't be very attentive, Washerman.. you repeat fibs and forget facts...:(

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:55

re 15

Washerman



Proger was not a client - NOT a customer - I helped him because he asked... I didn't make a penny from the deal...



Now, IF he had listened - he'd still be enjoying his service... I hardly think your clients would ring up OSN / AD TV .. but if they did .. the result would be the same .. no service..



The difference is now - that if SKY cut someone off ( for receiving their service outside UK / IRL) , and the client ( if an EU citizen - and located in the EU ) 'pushes it' - I think we'll find their service re-instated ;)

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:56

Unlike you, I hate being repetitive - so come on, what's the name of the Satellite TV company that you owned ?



Dole or, online Poker Player ?



On the next line I am going to type what I think about you:

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:57

Does anyone know long, before we in the TRNC, or for that matter, Cyprus, Spain, Italy etc, will get the full Sky package without the need for a 4.2?

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 11:59

Ask mmmmmm, he's good at speculating

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:04

Everyone should take note of the condition upon mmmmmm supplies his advice:

"Proger was not a client - NOT a customer - I helped him because he asked... I didn't make a penny from the deal... "

You helped him get 6 months service for the price of 12 months - I thought you said that you were helping people to get the system cheaper !

nurseawful



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Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:06

Very appropriate title for this thread boys! Why can't you sort this out by e-mailing or Skyping each other rather than doing it publicly. Not taking sides but from an outsider looking in it's playground stuff and not the way intelligent adults behave. Just my opinion of course.



Chris

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:09

If you had said that at the time, I could have price-matched that deal !

That's the risk that people take when they accept or, follow your advice - some companies supply two for the price of one, follow mmmmmm' advice and you get half for the price of one, but he didn't make any money on the deal so, it's OK - as long as you are getting a Free VPN connection as a 'sweetener'

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:11

Washerman, re

Message 3

>>mmmmmm - the photo that you posted on the other thread - it's a 'suppliers' conference

I once went on the BMW stand at the Car show in Birmingham, doesn't make me some sort of BMW big noise ! <<



Did BMW pay the tab for three nights in a 5 star hotel, and all drinks / meals ?



Washerman.. this 'sat installer' was there for the reason he stated - anti-piracy measures - this has now been explained to you on THREE separate occasions..





On the other hand you state what I have said is malicious... yet I KEEP demonstrating it is factual... hmmm



Re: 4bigTV .. You 'forgot' that the last time you checked this site it had a cotswold pub website on it !! ... I had given use of the domain to my step-son to 'play'.. I thanked you and MADE it blank.. Early onset dementia, Washerman ? ;)



Part of the terms of the deal when selling the Ltd co that was 4bigtv.com was that *I* kept the name and wouldn't trade using it for five years...

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:12

Chris, try running a 'legal' TRNC business with all the associated costs and then, have someone repeatedly come on this forum and bad-mouth you.



Walk a mile in a man's shoes.....................

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:15

What are "Facts" in your head could be 'fiction' in someone elses.



BUT then, if you are going to make them up as you go along, I suppose that it doesn't matter either way



Dole or, online poker player ? UK Tax resident or, not ?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:16

I see there's another thread started about mmmmmm customer service guarantee

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:18

Washerman, re

Message 2



>>If mmmmmm has no 'business' interest in this area as 'he' claims - why does he 'repeatedly' maliciously speculate about our business. <<



1/ I didn't say I had 'no interest' - and there is no 'malicious speculation' - taht is your domain - I have posted FACT..

a) your claimed 'officialdom'

b) you you overcharged

c) you make guarantees ( re continued supply of pay tv services) that you can't back up



>>Well, here's a good reason - he admitted above that Iceman looks after his ex-customers in the South and therefore, it's in his interest to help Iceman, and to help him, he maliciously speculates about us.

<<



This was in response to another Washerman fib..



You 'told' us that I'd 'abandoned' clients in 'rump' RoC, and I mentioned how Iceman had,occasionally, helped my Alex ... You really DO have selective memory issues !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:24

Washerman



I see that you now suggest I'm doing something 'illegal' re my tax affairs.. ;)



Here's a website to help you :



http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/Taxes/ContactOrDealWithHMRC/DG_10010579



If you feel that my residency status / tax affairs are not in order suggest that you start there...

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:25

No, you keep changing what you are saying - adding little bits as and when it suits your 'excuses'

I 'overcharged', I'd read Proger's thread before you start throwing more accusations about !

He followed your advice and it ended up costing him dearly !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:39

re msg 30



Proger's thread:



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/65173.asp - it is a shame that he didn't seek my help - as we both now know that no attempt has been made to resolve his issue...



He has asked me NOT to mention his name, and seems to have overlooked that you kept bringing it up - thinking it would make me look 'silly'... that he has chosen not to get it fixed is HIS choice.. I was only an email away..



Why don't you ask him if we can continue this discussion? .. I'll respond if he agrees

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:44

re 30



1/ You were originally charging over THREE and a half times the retail price for an Abu Dhabi receiver ( the price it could be picked up in Carrefours in Dubai) - receiver - not installation - that wwas extra



2/ You claimed to be an official dealer



3/ You STILL claim to offer a guarantee - yet ( finally) admit the risks of grey market piracy - you can get cut off.





Which of these incontrovertible FACTS are 'malicious' ?

Simhar


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 227

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:52

MMMMMM I can't resist picking you up on one point. There is no retail price in the TRNC. Services either offer value for money or they don't. You cannot compare prices for a receiver in Carrefours in Dubai with a price here, Dubai is not an embargoed country. Many people have purchased Washermans system and seem happy with the service, by default this offers value for money, they have paid the costs quoted and are happy with the service.



I would also suggest that anyone living in the TRNC and buying a product not made in Turkey knows it is grey market.



I am not one of Washermans clients, I have given up on TV and just access the free channels on Astra, so no axe to grind, but stop assuming that you are doing people a favour by quoting a retail price that is not attainable here.

proger1



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 12:57

Mark, you are really good at twisting things to accomodate your statements, I said I wasn't going to comment any more about this, was it after that you decided to make the comments about it being my fault again and then requesting Paul ask my permission.

Twist then to your hearts content, Paul was never asked not to mention my name because everything he said about my situation was based on fact, yours was based on supposition and invention to win your argument. You still say that it is a shame I didn't mail you but why would I, it was your advice I took and it failed but all around me other people had working systems installed by Paul, I felt like a complete fool asking what they had to do because they had ADMC and I didn't, "What did you have to do to get yours working" to a reply of "what do you mean", these being the same people I had bragged to months before about getting it so much cheaper.

I gave up in the end because there were 3 games left of the season, no point.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:00

Hi Simhar



You are assuming I don't know all you say..



'TRNC' political status has nothing to do with ripping off clients.. the fact that the prices charged by W/man have fallen - drastically - whilst the price in the 'home' country has not - seems to suggest that some benefit has occurred..



Now all we needed was an admission of the risl involved - which we now have, and the final part.. that there is no guarantee of continued sat pay tv service - as it is not in the control of the 'dealer' and we can debate my 'murky past' and 'agenda'

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:06

Proger re msg 34



>>Mark, you are really good at twisting things to accomodate your statements, I said I wasn't going to comment any more about this, was it after that you decided to make the comments about it being my fault again and then requesting Paul ask my permission. <<



Please check as to the timings of Washerman's posts mentioning your name.. THEN my response.. AFTER..



THIRD time - I was quite WRONG to ASSume that you had contacted AD MC- and that THAT was the reason for your being cut off...



Suggest I might not be the only poster making ASSumptrions..

proger1



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:13

No longer playing Mark, others are correct.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:15

Message 32



6ms. most products in north cyprus are more expensive than there country of origin,thats cyprus,a 434gram pack of bacon here is 13.95 tl, in the uk i can buy it for under 2 pounds,if people are happy to pay then its there choice.

Simhar


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Posts: 227

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:17

Hi Mark



That's my point, a Rip-off is where somebody sells something which is either available to THAT person drastically cheaper or where somebody sells something to do something it can't do.



Washermans system does not fall foul of either of these, his system working to the standard that it seems to work is not available to people in the TRNC any cheaper and it does what he says on the tin, according to his clients. therefore it cannot be a rip-off. Maybe, as you say, at some point in the future, it may be cut off and he may not be able to provide an alternative, but that is a lot of maybes and most people living in the TRNC are used to that. You pay your money and take your choice. I think you maybe need to leave him alone to run his business and you run yours.



ps. I have no interest in your murky past nor your agenda

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:21

mmmmmm - "Ripping off clients" Hahaha http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/59203.asp

It's a very shrewd man that can rip off clients AND leave them feeling happy

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:23

Simhar....thank you - blatant malicious lies from mmmmmm. I'd get him banned again, but not yet, people haven't laughed at him enough yet

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:26

Still looking for a home for 6 cats if any of you guys would like one. MEOW



Chris

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:28

What about the complete 'DDunce' with a double D that sells the cheapest, sells to one customer and ends up upsetting him

Zoots


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:38

nurseawful: "Very appropriate title for this thread boys! Why can't you sort this out by e-mailing or Skyping each other rather than doing it publicly. Not taking sides but from an outsider looking in it's playground stuff and not the way intelligent adults behave. Just my opinion of course."

Perhaps you wouldn't be saying that if your name was being dragged through the mud by someone who tells untruths. I don't blame mmmmmm for keeping this going as there seems to be an "old pals act" conspiracy against a man of honour and integrity.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:44

Zoots,



Nice to see you back!



The way Mark and Paul are going at it on here nothing is going to get solved, in my opinion they would be better e-mailing each other and better still talking.



paul@cypruz.com just for you Mark



cy44@uktvabroad.com just for you Paul



Chris

p.s. Zoots I would appreciate if you didn't follow this up with one of your e-mails again thank you.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:48

well said nurseawful....



Any one for a pussy out of you squablesome boys??

kibrisvisitor


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:50

there's a lot of pussy's on here

Turtle


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 13:50

Msg 44,.......conspiracy against a man of honour and integrity.





And why would you be concerned with two word like honour and itegrity

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 14:55

Proger re 37



>>No longer playing Mark, others are correct.<<



So let's get this right .. you 'accuse' ME of 'twisting' .. I point out that I am responding to another Washerman fib - I even ask you to check the timing of the posts... and you aren't 'playing' ?! !!



Sorry, Proger - when I'm wrong the hands go up...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 15:00

Chris - nurseawful:



like Proger - I appreciate you 'joined in ' to help.. but you aren't :(



If Washerman keeps publicly posting untruths, I hardly think sending him an email will help ! :(



e.g.



>>What about the complete 'DDunce' with a double D that sells the cheapest, sells to one customer and ends up upsetting him<<



Who did I sell to and 'upset ' ?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 15:10

re 40 Washerman



>>mmmmmm - "Ripping off clients" Hahaha http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/59203.asp <<



It is ( as usual noted that you don't deal with the content of my response to simhar.. and your ( now ) drastic price reductions..



>>It's a very shrewd man that can rip off clients AND leave them feeling happy <<



Actually, it is foolish one that make guarantees he knows he can't keep ... we;ll ALL see..

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 15:30

Mark, whilst you have wallowing in the mud, I've been swimming in my pool

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 15:34

Sorry *been wallowing AND thanks to my zerochlorine pool, no sore eyes, no smelly skin and beautifully soft water.

Read it and weep, no wonder you've got the needle !

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 15:35

"Sorry, Proger - when I'm wrong the hands go up..." - conveniently !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 15:36

Washerman,



That is very interesting... I've been to Sainsbury's, cooked lunch, and still await a truthful response to any 'allegation' that I've had a 'murky past', or a sensible response to a suggestion I'm 'defrauding any tax regime', or incorrect about anything I've said about your claims re 'officialdom' or 'ability to guarantee' continued subscription pay tv from Arab tv sat cos...

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 15:40

mmmmmm, give it up, they 'chased' you out of the South and 'you' can't come to the north (unless you're 'completely' stupid) [reality check] (malicious speculation)

magicart


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Posts: 985

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 15:52

Paul,



This is just another bun fight with 6ms .



Don't continue with this -just let your satisfied customers do the talking.



They are not stupid people- you will be judged on your service and the quality of your product.



They will have the last say in this matter-not 6ms.



Art.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 15:58

Washerman,



re msg 56



Suggest to return to the pool..



>>they 'chased' you out of the South and 'you' can't come to the north<<



who's 'they' and I've visited the 'north' (and Turkey) many times and will continue to do so ..



re msg 57



Art..re msg 57



Dopi customers were 'satisfied', too .. I'm quite confident in my predictions - this isn't about 'destroying' a 'TRNC' biz.. it's about not misleading members.. you'll figure it out ...

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 16:01

Art, this is no longer a serious issue - I am not worried - his hat has slipped. Just join in for the fun of it !

No-one with any sense (except those that are getting a free VPN from him) take him seriously. He is a joker, problem for him is, he only knows one joke !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 16:12

Washerman



re 59



What no response my questioning to your latest fib ?



>>they 'chased' you out of the South and 'you' can't come to the north<<



to repeat:



who's 'they' ? ... and I've visited the 'north' (and Turkey) many times and will continue to do so ..





I guess the penny won't drop for some until it's time to 'test' your guarantee re assurances of continued reception of Arab TV services :(

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 16:14

I hope they don't repeat on your TV system as much as you do - boring !

magicart


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 16:21

He who walks on water.



I expected this type of response.



Yet another example as to why you should again be banned from this forum.



Don't think for a moment you can fool me in believing that you are not trying to destroy Pauls business-its clear for all to see that you will not be happy until you think you can achieve this.



It will never happen because Paul is a very well respected person and his customers will continue to support him regardless of what you may have to say.



The next time I speak to you will be after Paul renews my contract for the second year and then I will say "I told you so" just like many other satisfied customers have done this year.



Suggest you just get on with your sad life and leave Paul's business alone-whats it got to do with you anyway?



O'h I forgot-you are just giving out valuable advice-----you must be having a laugh

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 16:25

Art, think about it - TRNC residents are queueing up for his 'free' VPN through his Greek Cypriot business (all their internet traffic is being diverted) - do the TRNC have the equivalent of the British SAS ?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 16:25

re 61 .. quite 'happy' to keep pointing out outstanding slurs you've dropped in without substance or any basis in truth ..

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 16:32

Internet traffic from the TRNC being diverted through a Greek Cypriot business/company and this web site allowing him to advertise/dupe its members

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 16:54

mmmmmm DENIES that TRNC internet traffic is being diverted through a Greek Cypriot registered web site, but here is the proof:



http://whois.domaintools.com/uktvabroad.com

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 17:04

You're just confirming that you are either



1/ an IT imbecile



2/ deliberately misleading folks..



I'll give you a few clues..



a) where is the server for uktvabroad located ? (answer: UK)

b) IF you are in 'TRNC' how does traffic to the UK route ( answer: via TURKEY)

c ) IF you connect to my UK VPN ( from 'TRNC')and do a tracert ( trace route) to ( say) the BBC can you show the members th part of the sequence where you route via 'rump' RoC )



http://www.mediacollege.com/internet/troubleshooter/traceroute.html



I enclose the link for folks to use before and after connecting ..



As ever, Washerman... if you're going to fib/ mislead , be sure you know your FACTS...

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 17:04

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/65190.asp



Why does the money get transferred via Paypal to Limassol ?



Why does the domain registration records show that the domain is registered in Limassol ?



Squeemish, you should be !



TRNC internet traffic is being diverted through a Greek Cypriot registered web site !

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 17:12

Washerman



WHAT is 'irregular' about the registrant addressbeing an an address in the rump 'RoC' - I have registered offices for companies in several places / countries .;



The paypal account for UK TV Abroad is a UK paypal account - linked to a UK Nat west account ... your are simply making as ass of yourself...



>>TRNC internet traffic is being diverted through a Greek Cypriot registered web site !<<



No it's NOT .. and this has just been explained to you... NO traffic originating in 'TRNC' routes via 'rump' RoC..





I'm going to ask Erolz to 'help' members decide who is the IDIOT, here...

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 17:19

OK, so, you need help on this ! but ask Erolz to 'simply' explain where the domains in question are registered -in the UK or, Greek Cypriot Limassol

Where the traffic routes is irrelevant, it's who's in control and what are their intentions

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 17:42

re 70 .. Washerman



>>Where the traffic routes is irrelevant<<



It's HIGHLY relevant - you contended that it routed via the 'rump' RoC - surely a man of your IT knowledge would know that was going to be shot down in flames.. worse.. you've repeated the fib over at least THREE threads.. Even when you must have known that your 'howler' was outed..



I sought ErolZ' help as I knew his answer would be respected and would back up mine...





I'll let the readers work out what's going on here... I think the penny may finally be dropping .. you can try and discredit me all you like, but it won't change anything I've predicted re the future of your 'guarantees' ...



>>it's who's in control and what are their intentions<<



Again, how can anyone 'control users' - who don't need to sign up / give their email address ? ..



You keep telling the fibs, and hoping I'll get banned for telling the TRUTH...

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 17:44

At best, you have made a clerical error, at worst it's deception, and in time to come, someone will use this thread to take money off you - tough luck !

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 17:48

>>At best, you have made a clerical error, at worst it's deception<<



Washerman, no clerical error, and certainly no deception - your repeating a such a contention when you've had perfectly fair explanations - that you don't warrant - in the light of the lies you've tried to spread today - keeps making me wonder how you 'work'' .please don't try to apply what are possibly your thought processes, to mine....



>> and in time to come, someone will use this thread to take money off you - tough luck !<<<<



Can anyone explain this..? !

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 17:50

sky sports breaking news , chelsea bid £60m for fabergas ,

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 17:51

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/Taxes/ContactOrDealWithHMRC/DG_10010579

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 17:52

Well, it was 50 M in Feb - so Arsenal will have done well !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 17:55

re msg 75, Wasjerman



Thanks for demonstrating you clearly post first and 'think' MUCH later...





Clue... read my post 29 of this very thread...

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 18:02

Where do you think I got the link from - irony ! Penny drops - clang !

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 18:16

re msg 78



'forgive me' - but in the light of your posting across three threads the same technical nonsense re "how traffic from a website of mine ( and the UK VPN ) routes via the rump 'RoC"' - then said it "wasn't important "... I think you've been caught out - AGAIN....



As I said, when one of your fibs is outed - it's always. " a joke" - yet when I post the truth about your misleading claims it is malicious and deserving of a ban ... :(

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 18:22

Gentlemen, can you please stop posting on almost every thread on C44 until tomorrow? I want to watch some British TV channels (provided by Mark via Internet/Slingbox - every day available, all the channels I want etc etc).

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 18:29

mmmmmm your interpretation, but not everyone sees it the same way

Washerman


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Message Posted:
05/06/2011 18:30

DutchCrusader....I searched your post three times, but I couldn't find the word "free" anywhere !

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 18:46

re msg 82, Washerman



>>DutchCrusader....I searched your post three times, but I couldn't find the word "free" anywhere !<<



and now we have the latest 'attempt' at a slur from Washerman .. Hans' comment in msg 80 was addressed to BOTH of us and he called us 'gentlemen'



YES.. Hans doesn't pay for the use of one of my test slingboxes... NOR has he been paid anything for being the guinea pig in 'TRNC' and I appreciate his help.





When Hans is happy it is totally stable... ( and that is down to 'TRNC' internet reliability issues ) I guess I'll be offering 50+ free UK TV channels - perfectly legally - I think it is only fair to ask you why it won't be legal - without the need for a dish..





Now, if you seriously think Hans is another poster who is being blackmailed / influenced by me - I suggest you contact the Gloucestershire Constabulary ;)

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 18:53

Oh dear. Everything tells me I should stay out of this but I am not going to. I can not really offer any info on who is an idiot or not. Anyway seems like I have been asked 2 specfic questions. One about how internet traffic going via Marks VPN from TRNC routes and a question as to where the domain uktvabroad.com is registered.



Internet traffic that goes from the TRNC via marks VPN service does not go through the RoC at all. Packets will go from (for example) my machine to my ISP's network here in the TRNC, from there out via Turkey and Turktelcom, from there ot the UK where the VPN server is located.



As to "where the domains in question are registered" its not really a correct question imo. Domains are by their nature 'virtual'. Domains are registered THROUGH a domain registering entity, usualy private comapny. In this case Marks domain uktvabroad.com has been registered through an agent called dataflame.co.uk [cont]

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 18:57

This is a UK based company that offers such registration services along with various others. Every domain that is registered has to provide a public contact name and address for the person that registered it. For uktvabroad.com the registerd contact is Satmesh / Mark Symth and the address is one in the RoC. This does not mean that any traffic flows via the RoC, nor does it mean that the business is in the RoC. It just means that the domain owner can be contacted via this address. Where the servers are and where the business is , if there is any business contected to this domain are seperate from this contact address for the domain. That can be the same bu do not have to be.

In summary then the domain is registered through dataflame.co.uk, a uk based company. The contact address for the domain is a PO Box in RoC.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
05/06/2011 19:28

@ msg 82, Washerman: (...) DutchCrusader....I searched your post three times, but I couldn't find the word "free" anywhere ! (...)

▶ I already feared that you had to search my post (indeed: TWO lines!) THREE times. Read msg 83 by 6xm, but do it THIRTEEN times, please. You're really not the brightest boy in the classroom.

P.S. By the way: did Microsoft ever reply to the great FRONT page news you had in Cyprus Today? Strange, I never was informed by an urgent MS patch.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 06:59

Erolz.....if you are going to offer advice to board members that effectively backs-up what mmmmmm is saying, you'd do well to check what 'he' has posted before you proceed to put your foot in your mouth on his behalf !

In Message 199 in this thread: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/64813.asp mmmmmm posted:



uktvabroad.com:

based in Limas(s)ol - and SO?... Paypal are a US co, with an EU entity in Luxembourg and a UK tel no and and the call centre is in Ireland .. Now I don't claim to own a company the size of paypal...

HINT: Tax is less in CY, VAT is less in CY, ( like Luxembourg )



Now, 'you' tell us:

"This is a UK based company that offers such registration........"



I recommend that in future, if you are going to collude with mmmmmm in a lie, first, check out whether he not already tripped you up otherwise, you will end up looking as big a fool as he is !



I will deal with another of your points in a minute, but first, I want readers to consider the implications of this

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 07:12

Secondly, owning 50 or, so domains, I regularly get emails from my host which contains the following paragraphs:

"ICANN, the organization responsible for the stability of the Internet,

requires that each domain name registrant be given the opportunity to

correct any inaccurate contact data (WHOIS data) associated with a domain

name registration. Our records for your domain are as follows:"

"To review and update your WHOIS contact information, please log into

our management interface at: https://manage.opensrs.net

If any of the information above is inaccurate, you should correct it.

If all of the information above is accurate, you do not need to take any action.

Please remember that under the terms of your registration agreement,

the provision of false WHOIS information can be grounds for cancellation

of your domain name registration.

If you have any questions or comments regarding ICANN's policy, please visit

the following link http://www.icann.org"



cont/...

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 07:24

The important bit which is part of Icann's policy and differs to the advice that you have offered is:

"Please remember that under the terms of your registration agreement, the provision of false WHOIS information can be grounds for cancellation of your domain name registration."

On this point, I ask you this:

In light of your claim that http://www.uktvabroad.com is a UK based company - Is the WHOIS information accurate ?



http://www.uktvabroad.com domain is registered in Limassol and for me to say that traffic is being diverted through a domain that is registered in Limassol is 100% accurate.



AND let's see if mmmmmm hurriedly changes the domain registration details over the next few days and modifies his Paypal payment details......I suspect that he will !

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 09:18

Washerman the information needs to be accurate. The 'field' you are reffering to is CONTACT DETAILS. As long as the registrant can be contacted at the shown address the info IS accurate. It makes no sense to claim the domain is registered IN Limassol. It shows a contact address in Limassol. That does not mean it is registered IN Limassol. If anything as a .com address it is ultimately registered IN the USA as far as it can be said to registered anywhere. dot com addresses are issued by the USA body ICANN through people they authorise to do so on their behalf. Just as .uk ones are registered in the UK equivalent of ICANN and .cy the cyprus equivalent. Claiming the domain is registered in cyprus because it has a contact address in cyprus is in my view not accurate and misleading. The most accurate description in my view is the domain is registered IN US through a UK company and shows a Cyrus contact address for the registrant.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 09:39

As for the claim that 'traffic' is routed (or diverted) through a domain that is registered in Limmasol is not I am afraid "100% accurate" in my view. In many ways it makes no sense to talk about traffic being routed 'through a domain' in the way you do. Traffic routes physicaly, through physical intermidary points to a physical destination. You can trace exactly the physical machines any given internet packet routes through (travels through) to a given destiantion and establish where physicaly the machines it passed through and the destination it arrives at geographicaly are. No packet of data from a TRNC based machine going to the destination of MM VPN, which is physicaly in the UK, goes via any machine physicaly located in the RoC. The domain DOES have a contact address for the registrant of RoC. This in no way affects how traffic is routed. I could change the contact address on any of the domains I have registered to anywhere in the world and it would not affect how traffic routes.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 10:12

Washerman



re msg 88/89



Let's be clear here - all your points have been countered - you ( as usual) tried to imply some sort of trickery going on - again I suspect this is more an example of YOUR mindset..:(



You've tried to imply some sort of monitoring ( and via the 'rump' RoC )



So, were you



1/ technically inept



or ( as *I* believe )



2/ deliberately hoping to mislead some folks that might have respected your 'input' into believing that using my UK VPN opened them to some sort of risk of 'spying' ?





Either way you have just demonstrated that your 'warnings' were groundless :(



Once again, no-one is monitoring, spamming, 'spying' and no-one EVER will ...

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 10:37

Hey Sixems,



I've been reading all these posts with interest, and now haven't a clue who is ahead, even on points.



But as an individual with absolutely no expertise in this area whatsoever, there is one thing that is puzzlinmg me: If this company of yours is UK-based, and you are complying with all UK tax requirements, why is it necessary for you to register it in the RoC? What is the (presumed) benefit to you to do this?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 10:59

What ever happened to a dignified silence?

One gets the impression that if the protagonists spent as much effort pleasing their customers they'd never have this much time to post... or is this their idea of R&R? Either way, it doesn't really strike me as good PR.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 11:10

Hi Rotto



re msg 93



>>I've been reading all these posts with interest, and now haven't a clue who is ahead, even on points. <<



Well it *was* "40:30 in favour of Washerman", so things have 'improved' I guess...:(



>>But as an individual with absolutely no expertise in this area whatsoever, there is one thing that is puzzlinmg me: If this company of yours is UK-based, and you are complying with all UK tax requirements, why is it necessary for you to register it in the RoC? What is the (presumed) benefit to you to do this?<<



You appear to be confusing domain registrations, domain contact details, and business taxation ...



When I registered uktvabroad.com I lived in CY.. I maintain a contact address and 'presence' there.. I see no need to change the contact details as they should find me !



Washerman has done something, well.. he's got you MORE interested in ME than HIM ;)

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 11:16

re 94



Groucho



>>What ever happened to a dignified silence? <<



I expect that will ensue, shortly !



>>One gets the impression that if the protagonists spent as much effort pleasing their customers they'd never have this much time to post... or is this their idea of R&R? Either way, it doesn't really strike me as good PR.<<



Of course you have point .. but it was the weekend and it was peeing down and our BBQ was cancelled AND Washerman kept fibbing and ...



You'll be glad to hear I'm overseeing four installations of 2-way sat internet Broadband - new MUCH faster system - in rural locations - so I'll be 'off air '



The relevance to Cyprus is of course that the internet often SUCKS and if it works well here.... we'll try it THERE ..

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 11:18

Sixems, I'm not quite sure you're right about that...I'm more interested in the 'guts' of the debate.



But you appear to be confusing my level of expertise with one a generation or so higher....I don't even really understand what a 'domain' is!



But I think you've replied that there is no real benefit to you to have that presence in the RoC. If so, fair enough.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 12:24

Msg 97,

For someone who doesn't even know what a domain is you don't half like pontificating about the Cyprob. Is your knowledge as shaky there as well?

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 12:29

Hey ho Campbell,



Touched a nerve did I?

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 12:31

It certainly appears that I did!

Rottolover



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Posts: 519

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 12:35

So are you going to answer my question about declaring yourself, Camp?

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 13:05

6ms.



I dont think youll hear from washerman today,he may well be out setting up 3 or 4 more new systems,gets boring here when both of you are not online together.

Rottolover



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Posts: 519

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 13:12

Didn't think so.....

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 15:39

Rottolover a domain is an internet name, is simplest speak I can manage with my background. When I wanted to setup a bicommunal cyprus based discussion forum I needed a 'name' by which people could find it. I chose talkcyprus.org as the name, because it reflected what the site was about and was not already registered by someone else. Internet domains are hirearchical working back from the right hand side of the domain (or name if you prefer) to the left. The first level of hireachy is the bits on the far right of the name. So a name ending in .uk is one registered through the UK's apointed body to handle such things or their agents. Then the UK registration body chose to define a second that comes before the .uk bit. It chose to have .co.uk for commercial entities, .edu.uk for educational entites, .org.uk for 'orgniastional' entites (non profit for example) and .gov.uk for government entites. THen the next level is the name part. So you get dixons.co.uk [cont]

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 15:45

which is owned by the dixons company and they registered the dixons.co.uk address with the UK registration body.

All country domains, like .uk for UK or .cy for Cyprus or .fr for france and so on are handed out from the overall central domain giving body, which is called INTERNIC and is a USA body. It is in fact one of the few centralised bodies that has control over the internet, through control over who gets to use what name. In addition to it deciding which national bodies will control the nation based domains like .uk etc it also assigns the names given for the 'generic' .com, .org, .edu which are in reality the equivalent of .com.usa or .edu.usa - its just thare is no .usa bit because it all started there. So you have internic controling the .com, .edu etc domains and 'handing out names' attached to those , like cnn.com and handing out country based domains to bodies there that then control those , like the .uk domains for UK registered sites. [cont]

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 15:47

Erolz.....let's take this one point at a time:-



1. You say that the http://www.uktvabroad.com is "is a UK based company"



mmmmmm says, uktvabroad.com is:



based in Limas(s)ol - and SO?... Paypal are a US co, with an EU entity in Luxembourg and a UK tel no and and the call centre is in Ireland .. Now I don't claim to own a company the size of paypal...



HINT: Tax is less in CY, VAT is less in CY, ( like Luxembourg )



Who is telling the truth out of the two of you ?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 15:51

One requirment of registering any kind of domain (generic .com or country based like .uk) is that the registration body (INTERNIC for plain .com and .edu and .org type addresses, Nominet for .uk based domains etc etc) is that the registrant provide a valid contanct name and number, that is publicaly viewable by anyone.

So to look at the specific case of uktvabroad.com one can say that if it has been registered IN any given country then you would have to say it has been registered IN the USA, in that it is the USA registration body (INTERNIC) that ultimaely hands out the names .com domains. As part of that registration Mark as the registrant must give a valid contact name and address by which he can be reached. THis is what shows as being in the RoC for this domain. This is not the same as saying it is registered IN the RoC at all. You can only register .cy domains IN the RoC in that only these domains are handed out by the RoC registration body. [cont]

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 15:56

[ok not cont but replying to washermans post]

Washerman I do not say uktvabroad is a UK based company. I can not know that from the publicaly published info that is a requirment of registering the domain. It might be it might not be, I just cant say either way. What I can say, from knowing the IP address of Marks VPN server as fact (barring real deep technical irrelevancies) is the server I connect to is based in the UK and that any traffic from my machine to that UK based server goes from TRNC to turkey then to UK then to the server itself and does not 'route' or 'divert' in any way to the RoC inbetween.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:01

What I can also say as fact is the the 'head' registration body for a .com domain is the USA body INTERNIC, so as far as one can talk about the domain being registered IN a given country any .com domain is in essence registered in the USA, just as any .uk is registerd in the UK , any .tr is registered in Turkey and any .cy is registered in RoC. I can also say that the given contact address for the USA registered domain uktvabroad.com is in the RoC. That is about all I can say from publicaly available info and from the actual VPN IP address.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:04

The domain registration is an essentialy technical issue. It tells me nothing about if the domain is used by an indivdual or a company (unless that is evident from the contact name and address), where that company itself is registered as a company, where it pays its taxes as a company, where traffic physicaly routes from and too. You can make all sorts of assumptions about what it might tell you but these are just that assumptions and can easily be wrong.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:09

Question please , Does it mean that if you register a company in one country , you cannot base it or run it from another country ??

Simbas

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:15

No it absolutely does NOT mean that at all Simbas. Where you register the domain controls what ending you get on the domain but it has nothing to do with where a company using that domain may be registered as a company.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:16

Erolz, stop trying to put up a smoke screen, let's keep this simple for people:



1. You say that the http://www.uktvabroad.com is "is a UK based company"



mmmmmm says, uktvabroad.com is:



based in Limas(s)ol - and SO?... Paypal are a US co, with an EU entity in Luxembourg and a UK tel no and and the call centre is in Ireland .. Now I don't claim to own a company the size of paypal...



HINT: Tax is less in CY, VAT is less in CY, ( like Luxembourg )







Who is telling the truth out of the two of you ?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:18

tescos.com is registered IN the USA, it has to be because the USA registration body controls ALL the generic .com domains. Tescos is not based or run from the USA. They have registered the domain simply because many people in the UK looking for tescos webiste will try tescos.com, rather than tescos.co.uk . Tescos registered both, the .com in the USA and the .co.uk in the UK to cover all bases.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:20

Pat



You are dead right.



It is common place for many business to have another company registered in another country were tax levels are lower.



Many many huge companies already do it.



There is nothing illegal in it at all.



So if Paul is inferring that this is what Mark is doing who cares?? Its not illegal and is common practice and a tax efficient way to run a business.



Ive followed threads like these for a long time. What is clear that Paul often refuses and is very evasive in answering technical questions from Mark but instead comes back with personal remarks and is now questioning the mechanics of Marks business. Hope the faturas are up to date Paul?

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:22

Washerman how can I answer your question when it starts with a claim I said " http://www.uktvabroad.com is "is a UK based company" when I in fact have said no such thing ?



I have not said that uktvabroad.com is a UK based company. It is not a company at all, it is a domain. THey are NOT the same thing. I am not trying to obfuscate or even particularly take side, I am trying to explain as best I can facts and show where these are different from assumptions.



I want to answer you questions, honestly and frankly, but when they start by claiming I have said something I have NOT said how can I do so ?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:25

OK so, http://www.uktvabroad.com domain is registered in Limassol, so what mmmmmm said is correct and therefore, so is what I said which was:



http://www.uktvabroad.com domain is registered in Limassol and for me to say that traffic is being diverted through a domain that is registered in Limassol is 100% accurate.

simbas



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Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:34

Many thanks Erolz and Stubs

Simbas

Washerman


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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:39

BTW Erolz, you're wrong about http://www.tescos.com - the registrant is based in the UK - the details have to be accurate or:



"Please remember that under the terms of your registration agreement, the provision of false WHOIS information can be grounds for cancellation of your domain name registration."



Registrant:

Tesco Stores Limited

Tesco Stores Limited

Tesco House Delamare Road .

Cheshunt, Hertfordshire .

GB

Email:

Washerman


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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:46

Stubs, when you identify who you are (really) I might some credibilty to anything that you post. As you are just 'another' anonymous nobody, what you post is irrelevant.



For all I know, you could just be another jealous Brit 'illegal' worker that's in competition with our 'legal' business and yes, our Faturas are up to date !

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:54

whats a faturas then ?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:55

Something that Stubs doesn't have - an invoice

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:56

Paul



You question everyones credibility, perhaps you should start with your own.



Your right Paul I am "another jealous Brit Illegal worker" you got me first time you are so clever



Tell me paul what is the rate of tax on profit in running a ltd company in the TRNC?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:57

Irrelevant

simbas



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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 16:58

invoices rowlo

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:03

Les



Its something that every customer should get when they pay money for goods or services.



Im sure Paul is perfectly legal in that respect and that every customer receives one for their subscriptions.





I never received one from Paul but then again I never used his companies services after several (failed) promises to come out and do a site survey and installation I gave my money to another company who installed us within 24 hours.

Simhar


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Posts: 227

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:04

Washerman perhaps hearing it from someone else will help.



uktvabroad.com is a website address or domain, the .com denotes a web adress (domain) that has been issued by the USA. The contact details for uktvabroad.com are in Limassol. The company that owns that Domain is has contact details on the website for Limassol but could be registered anywhere or not registered at all. Internet traffic accessing this website would end up at it's hosting server, which is in the UK. How it gets there is not controllable by the website domain name holder. Once connection is established then tracing software can collect the IP address and various stats from the user but only for any prolonged amount of time if the accessing computer has a fixed IP address. 99.9% of home users do not have a fixed address, their routers will generate one when started and new ones when restarted so having the IP addresses of people accessing your website is of limited value (and I now realise besides the point). cont.

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:06

thanks guys , just trying to keep my finger on the pulse .

Simhar


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Posts: 227

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:08

cont....



The point is that no internet traffic going to uktvabroad.com does not pass through a south cyprus registered domain. It goes to a domain that has contact details in Soutrh Cyprus

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:10

Re msg 124



Does Irrelevant mean I dont know? fairly simple question for a business owner/operator.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:21

Stubs, like I say, as no-one knows who you are (including me) I don't know whether you are telling the truth and neither does anyone else so, anything that you say is irrelevant.

Personally, I put my name to my posts which puts me at a disadvantage to people like you who are prepared to exploit your anonymity, but I think that people realise that.

You are obviously holding a grudge over something, and as I don't know who you are, it's reasonable for me to say that you might be the person that arranged an installation through us and couldn't pay the bill so, we disconnected you and removed your equipment and that's why you are holding a grudge



Without your true identity, what I have said here is as credible as what you have said - zero

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:26

Simhar, I've read your explanation and I thank you for taking the time to explain - you seem pretty level headed so, look at what I said and tell me that it is wrong.



I have no control over what mmmmmm assumed I meant.



http://www.ticvpn.com is our web site and UK VPN service for which we have hundreds of clients worldwide. I think that you can take it that I understand the ins and outs

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:29

Washerman msg 117 said "OK so, http://www.uktvabroad.com domain is registered in Limassol,"



Your claim above just is not right washerman. You can not register a .com domain IN cyprus, that is the Cypriot registration body is the one that holds information and assigns the domain. ALL .com domains are registered in the USA, in that ONLY the USA body INTERNIC can assign such names. They do so through a casscading system of agentsthat can and are located in any number of contries but the entity which is ultimately at the top of this is a USA based entity called INTERNIC. You register it THROUGH a cypriot agent of INTERNIC, but in fact the domain concerned was not registered through a Cypriot based INTERNIC agent but through a UK based one. Either way it just is grossly incorrect to claim it is registered IN cyprus. ONLY .cy domains are registered IN cyprus. The domain DOES have a contact address for the registrant in cyprus but that is not the same as it being registered IN cyprus.

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:31

Thanks erolz.....fascinating subject. Never been curious enough to research it before.



Now, if I only knew what servers and routers were........whatever they are, I think mine are bloody slow!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:34

And if you have any concerns about who I really am have a look at the whois registration for one of my domains talkcyprus.org which can be seen here

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/talkcyprus.org



The CONTACT info for this domain show my full real name, real address in the TRNC and real phone number in TRNC. It does NOT show that the domain is registered IN the TRNC, it does NOT mean any traffic to that site routes through or is diverted via the TRNC. It does NOT mean I have a company, registered in the TRNC or anywhere else. It means what it means and nothing else. That I erol ziya am the registrant of that domain and I can be contacted at the address and phone number shown and thas all it means.

Simhar


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Posts: 227

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:34

Washerman



Give up!



You seem to hold all the aces anyway. I cannot (although I have not searched extensivley) find any customers that are dissatisfied with your service. A successfull TV provision company in the TRNC, TRNC legal and providing a good service (I might even sign up with you!) Who cares what mmmmmm thinks whilst he rides his white charger in the name of fairness. Anyone who lives in the TRNC knows that nothing is guaranteed. You pay your money and take your choice.



This is, and has been for some time now a slanging match that does nobody any credit. Let your system and service speak for themselves. MMMMMM will continue to talk about grey market and about systems being cut off but who cares, we all know that buying anything in the TRNC can have problems but choose to do so anyway. Add up the risk against the service and testimonials and it seems a fair risk to me, and many others add to that, that there is not a viable alternative and you have it in the bag!



Simo

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:37

rotto , servers bring you food in restraunts , routers , well they cut holes in worktops you know what i mean where the sink top fits in ,

Rottolover



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Posts: 519

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:41

Way to go Simo!



That last paragraph is about as spot-on as you can get.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:42

Well said Simhar.



Rottolover msg 134, I know you probably dont want to know or care but I cant resist posts like yours (134)



A 'server' is simply a computer with a specific purpose to 'serve' (provide) information. A Web server is a computer that provides the information that makes up a webpage. When you visit a web site your computer connects to the serving computer and provides the information that is then displayed on your computer as the web page. The counter part , your computer would be refered to as the 'client'. Client computer asks for info , serving computer (server) provides it, in very simple terms.



A 'router' is simply a computer (usualy in a dedicated box, without screen or keyboard) that 'routes' network traffic or data. It will have connections for 'local' computers that all connect to each other and typicaly a connetion for 'anything external' to the local computers and it controls how traffic flows between the local and 'anything external' bits.

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:42

Paul



I hardly think so, the only reason you people know your true identity is that you have a business to promote.



There are many people on this board who know me Paul and my details on my profile are public and correct, the only difference between your profile and mine is an email address which I made private due to the crap i received in my inbox. Something that other members have also received as well as some vile from some GC's.



Again Paul you are right you really are so clever, I "arranged an installation and couldnt pay the bill and you disconnected me and removed *my equipment* and thats why I hold a grudge"



So as part of that grudge I then (according to msg 120) I became" another jealous Brit 'illegal' worker that's in competition with our 'legal' business"



You are too clever for me Paul

Rottolover



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Posts: 519

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:42

rowlo, is your real name Dave Allen?

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:46

erol, thanks again. In fact I am interested, as fortunately I'm not that old that my natural curiosity has become too dulled to function.



So....keep it up.

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:50

rotto msg141 , no its lou reed , get it

Stubs


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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:53

Paul



This is not going to turn into a side show.



The only dealings I personally had with you apart from seeing and the band several times at the Rock Club in Girne was when your company failed to come out and do a site survey and installation several times so we went and got someone else to do it. Not worthy of wasting breath over never mind holding a grudge.



What is evident here on this thread and is common with your spats with Mark is that he quite happily answers questions put to him. Unfortunately you choose to answer very little questions unless it is to your (financial) benefit.



You run a business but do not even know what the taxation rates are? Yey questions someone elses and assume its to "avoid" tax.

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 17:55

Simo



You may be right in the last paragraph in msg136. However many systems have been the best over the years only for them to fizzle out. The one which has shown longevity apart for Digiturk is the Sky dishes.



One only gets what one pays for

Simhar


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 227

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 18:20

Stubs



"The one which has shown longevity apart for Digiturk is the Sky dishes."



If you are willing to have a massive dish (was 4.2m I think it might be 1.8m now but you lose some services) and you have a UK sky subscription. Of course this would then be a grey service so no more legal or however you want to describe it than washerman's system. Of course, I am not sure you can get SKY from a legal TRNC company? or buy the set top box legally imported to the TRNC? Or get any sort of support if it goes wrong?



You can only gain longevity when the system you are providing and the way you have been providing it has been available in the market that you are living in for some time. I believe that washerman's system as it is now has been around for approx 12 months and that according to this board customers are now renewing contracts with him.



so true you only get what you pay for

kibrisvisitor


Joined: 28/05/2011
Posts: 98

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 18:24

STEP 1

BUY AN IOMEGA BOX



DOWN LOAD FREE FROM http://thebox.bz



OR http://www.uknova.com movies sport etc from http://btjunkie.org



no problem no dish

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 18:25

Well, so many posts to answer.......Erolz, I know who you are, your an old school mate of mmmmmm, you went to the same school together didn't you ?



You are putting up a smoke screen and it is obvious to everyone reading this. I don't think that it is worth conversing with you because you are biased towards mmmmmm' opinion.,



Originally, I thought better of you, but it seems that you too have been 'cheaply' bought

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 18:26

thats blown them out the sky ?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 18:30

Stubs - irrelevant

erolz


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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 18:33

No washerman I am not an old schoolmate of MM's. We did in the course of our many battles on Cyprus forums discover that we were at school in proximity to each other. I went to Bedofrd School and he apparently went to Bedford Modern. Both schools were private and part of Harpers Trust but they were sepearate schools. If our paths did cross in this period I have no recolection of it and it is simply untrue to say we are old school mates.



I am sorry you think I am putting up a smokescreen. I do not think that is the case. I am countering what I consider to be just plain incoorect statements. Principaly that the uktvabroad.com website is registered IN the RoC. It is not for all the reasons I have taken considerable time and effort to explain. Secondly that VPN traffic to Marks free VPN service physicaly routes or diverts via the RoC. Not true. Thirdly that the contact info for the domain says anything about if it is used by a company and if so where that company may itself [cont]

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 18:36

grouchos thread still leading ?

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 18:38

be registered. The public domain information required for registering such a domain does not say aything about such things. Connection of a domain to a company may be implied if a company name is used as the contact name but beyond this it shows nothing more and has to show nothing more than who registered the domain and provide an address where that person can be contacted.



If you think that is all smokescreen that is your choice. As you say and I certainly believe, people are not stupid. They can make up thier own minds about if I am actively trying to create a smokescreen or just trying to stick to actual facts and if I am motivated by bias or not. I personaly think I am being as reasonable as I can whilst countering things that I think are not accurate or true but in that opinion I most certainly AM biased, obviously.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 18:40

Er I went to Bedford School, not Bedofrd School as it says in msg 151. The typo, of which my posts are full, may say something about the quality and value of that private education I guess

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 18:41

Simhar, I am sure that many people interpret 'things' the same way as you, but don't want to get involved in the 'slanging-match' - thank you for confirming to me that there are 'some' sensible people reading this nonsense



Unfortunately, mmmmmm is tied in with a certain satellite fitter here and 'constantly' 'repeatedly' PUSHES his system.



He has bad-mouthed and harassed several different TRNC businesses but he bit off more than he can chew when he picked on me.



I can give as good as I can get and a bit more and I fight fire with fire and that is what 'he' and his 'cronies' don't like.



When mmmmmm lived in the South of Cyprus, he tried to 'control' the satellite 'biz' over there but he got chased and ended up back in the UK



Unfortunately, the constant harassment that him and his cronies and his free VPN users give to me is a cross that I have to bear, but you are right, I just keep doing what I do and doing it well.



cont/...

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 18:50

'They' under the influence and instruction of mmmmmm, are helping him to try and control the market in NC - I suppose that I should be flattered that they have homed in on the person who 'they' consider to be the biggest threat to their 'operation'



Now, I can't answer everyone so, I won't try, but all that I will say is that speculation is just cheap talk with a fancier name, maybe its something that they teach them in them public schools - me, I won a scholarship for one of the top boys schools in my area, unfortunately, my Mum and Dad couldn't afford the uniform or, to keep up with the Jones's so, I went for free school meals at a plain old Grammar School.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 18:55

Erolz........OK, is it true to say that you are mates ?



I don't agree with the way that you describe ICANN's policy on Domain reistration, but I just can't be bothered to argue it out with you

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:02

This has moved into the surreal lol. What your schooling has to do with any this I just do not know. I only mentioned mine in relation to a specific claim / question you made / asked about me. In any case washerman people are not stupid, in general. Those that could give a toss can and will make their own minds up. I will just once more refer you to Simhar message 127, thats says noting I have not myself said, just more clearly and sucsinctly and better than I did. Also to his post 136 which I think is very good advice and finally to pretty much where I first got into this whole thing in this thread

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/64813.asp

specifically posts 110 and 111 of mine there, which again are not that different from Simhar's 136 says, but again not so well and clearly expressed. To me in my personal view you have done exactly what I suggested in the end of post 111 '...spiral out from that to ever greater and more dubious attacks on each other..' [cont]

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:03

only this time not just attacks on 'each other' but on me as well it would seem, which as I said there is your choice. A bad one in my humble opinion but still yours to make.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:07

Simon



Many have had Sky for a long time and like every system the back up is only as good as the supplier.



There have been many packages became available over the years the majority of which had a lumpy advance payment. Sky have been around for a long time and I dont know many who have had problems unless it was an installation issue very few technical issues.



I cant comment on Pauls system as I dont have it and never have needed it.



What I can say is that when pressed on technical questions Pauls seems to go on the attack against the poster which is a bit like a spoilt child and is in fact potentially doing his business more damage than good. He is selling a system which his technical knowledge is shown to be severely lacking, even when someone else posts something he disagrees with he makes attacks on them..................see post 148 directed toward Erol



Next he will be saying that we are GC stooges

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:11

In reply to your question in message 157, am I mates with MM, I will do my best to answer than as honestly and directly as I can , as I always do.

I first encountered MM on forums like these but not just this one maybe 5 or 6 years ago, maybe a biot longer than that ago. We would clash, badly on many subjects but mainly on cyprus related issues. It is always my policy when this happens to me on a forum to try and meet the person I am clashing with in persona and face to face because experince has tought me that both parties in sucvh clashes can and usualy do get a totaly distorted picture of the other person with just text based communication via forums. So I made such efforts with MM. I did take quite some time to realise this , a number of years from memory, but evntualy I did meet MM face to face. Firstly in a general meeting of forum users (not this forum one of the many other cyprus based one). I meet him and his wife at that time, maybe 4 years ago now [cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:17

As has consistently been my experience with such meetings, much that was positive was a result of it. I definately got a better understanding of MM, who he is and what he is about from this meeting face to face and I think he did of me. Certainly it did mark a real change in how we subsequently interacted with each other on forums discussion and for the better and not just ours but all those poor others that had to read our sometimes interminable and stubborn postings about the most fine details of this that or the other. Since then I think we have met face to face one other time, but it may have been two - its embarassing that I dont have a certain clearly memory of if it was once or twice but certainly no more than twice. I will also offer up front that leading on from these we did for a short period have a realtionship that could be considered 'commercial' and I will explain that in full and openly as well. In short I was aware that MM was offering a VPN service [cont]

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:20

Stubs, what absolute tosh ! If you want information look on my web sites (thanks for the opportunity to post their addresses)



http://www.satellitecyprus.com http://www.ticproblemsolver.com more information than is available anywhere else



Do you really think that people give what you say any credibility ?

Simhar


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 227

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:20

Stubs



Fair enough.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:22

I was already using a paid for VPN service at that time that was nothing to do with MM's service. However I did want to test and compare that service with others to get an idea of how good it was and what the pros and cons of differing services may be. THis is before MM was offering his as a free service. However I did not really want to pay for 2 VPN services. So I proposed to MM that we might be able to do a mutualy benefical deal, where I would offer to help him support his VPN customers in the TRNC that might have problems in exchange for free use of his VPN service. We did agree to this. However MMs service was to me then, as now, only ever a backup for me, not my primary service. In the event in fulfilling my side of the deal I only even went to one persons home to help them at the request of MM and after than never again offer such support to his customers or was asked too. Not long after his service went free to all anyway and from then [cont]

Washerman


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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:23

Erolz, you're right, I shouldn't have criticised you in the way that I did and I withdraw my comments. I'm sorry

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:28

I considered that our 'deal' was ended. I still use MM now free service as a backup to my own and for testing. It can be useful when trying to work out if a problem is with my paid for VPN service or a general issue with my connection for example.



Anyway finally to the original question, am I mates with MM. If asked I would say I considered him a friend but not one that I know well. As I say we have met in person 2 or possibly 3 times. With no disrepect intended to him he is not a friend like my 'real' friends are, where we have knwon each other for many many years, been on 'escapades' with each other, holidays with each other, attended weddings and christenings and the like but I do think of him as a friend. However that does not mean I will not argue with him or challenge him if I think he is wrong about something. Nor are my comments about the inaccuracy of some of your claims motivated by such. They are motivated by me sinserely believing that they are just incorrect [cont]

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:31

I feel I have done my utmost to not get into speculation as to why you may be making them but have tried to stick to specifics and facts and have to say I do not feel thats has been reciprocated on your part (though now I have seen your post msg 166, which negates this last part).



Anyway thank you for msg 166. It is appreciated.

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:34

Paul



If you re-read your historical postings when pressed on technical matters you generally refuse to answer then try to turn the tables on the person asking the question. Thats not a lot of tosh but true if you want to and take the time to read them.



Simon and Erol have explained the same thing earlier in this thread which contradicts your claims that the traffic to Marks VPN was routed via Limassol which results on you directing accusations at Erol.



Sorry Paul but it would appear as though you have more faces than big ben

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:37

Now if ever there was a thread serving no purpose......

Scoty


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Posts: 846

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:43

Msg 170 - along with the other 3/4 running??

Brings in the viewers though!

Think I'll stick to DVD's and watching what I want on Tv thro' 'other means'

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:50

Groucho - so, in the same category as 98.3% of the other threads on this forum

Rottolover



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Posts: 519

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:53

Groucho, I think it's serving a fine purpose...although a self-confessed electronics Luddite, I'm learning heaps about internet services, and being entertained at the same time.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:54

Some of the 98.3% serve to entertain. Paul, I really don't think you do yourself any favours.

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 19:55

Erolz: "What your schooling has to do with any this I just do not know."

It's no more strange than your earlier suggestion that the respected writer and analyst Christopher Hitchins, who once happened to married to a Greek woman, should be suspected of bias in his writings about Cyprus.

Paranoia isn't good for one's health.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:01

Zoots your ability to take something out of context and twist it in order to suit a specific motive and agenda of yours is really very impressive.

In any case I never said he should be suspected of (intentional) bias. I have always said that such information is valid to know in terms of understanding the context of his writtings. You may be of the opinion that having had a GC wife and having had 2 children with said wife could not in any possible way have colored his view and opinions and perceptions about Cyprus. I am off the opinion that it is possible it has done so and that if a reader knows the facvt they can judge for themselves if they think it has or has not, were as if it is hidden that opportunity is denied them. Which is why I went to lenghts above to clearly explain as fully as possible my 'realtionship' with MM, not because I think it proves 'bias' on my part but because I believe in openness and honest and that people can judge for themselves given the facts.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:03

stubs: "Next he will be saying that we are GC stooges."

Aye, you don't rate here if you've never been called that.

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:05

Campbell, is there no end to the convolutions in your thought processes? How on earth do you jump logically from a remark about schooling to the emotive bias surrounding a close family member which will undoubtedly flavour a person's writing?



Seriously?

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:06

I would also add that Christopher Hitchens , whilst certainly more well known and respected as a journalist than some I could mention, is better know for his contentious views and the force with which he expresses them. Many do respect him but like marmite there are many that do not, there are few that are indifferent. That is in my personal view what he is most commonly 'know for'.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:07

Erolz: "Anyway thank you for msg 166. It is appreciated."

Messages like this can be cathartic. You may find that once properly made they can be instantly reciprocated.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:08

Zoots msg 177 and how does being (falsly) accused of being an 'agent' of the TRNC affect ones rating here I wonder ?

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:10

Erolz: "I would also add that Christopher Hitchens , whilst certainly more well known and respected as a journalist than some I could mention, is better know for his contentious views and the force with which he expresses them."

Could you maybe be meaning his brother Peter, the right-wing raver?

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:12

181,

If it wasn't the case and I inferred it was I would publicly retract with apologies.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:12

Zoots msg 180 you talk as if given my experience of your posting on this forum and many other others over many years I would have some reason to value or respect your 'wisdom' on what is or is not cathartic in terms or forum based relationships. As ever the distance between what you suggest and reality as I percieve it is vast.

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:13

Msg 184,



Oh well, guess that was the closest it got...

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:28

175 Campbell,



The abundance of your usual spin and ridicule tonight is becoming...er...ridiculous.



"respected writer and analyst" - euphemism for "this guy writes the kind of stuff I strongly agree with"



"once happened to (sic) married to a Greek woman" - spin for "married for 17 years and had two children but it only happened once"



"Paranoia isn't good for one's health." - attempted ridicule.



Oh dear...

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:32

Hi Rotto,

Great post.

Cheers,

Zoots

erolz


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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 20:52

Zoots msg184 as you know I have made repeated attempts privately and publicaly to try and get a face to face meeting with you to achieve some mutual better understanding of each other by each other over many many years. You have rebuffed every attempt I have made. If you had any sincerity in wanting to achieve this you would take me up on the offer. It still stands.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 21:15

Erolz,

It may be logistically impossible to meet face to face. These things can be done via postings or phone calls. This is the internet, not the real world. That's what people should remember when they are having, shall we say delicately, a downer, when they act irrationally, lose personal control of themselves and end up doing bad things to other human beings. Then the following week, when they're better again, they rein themselves in. But the damage has been done. The other thing is that computer experts who don't deal with people face-to-face sometimes lack emotional intelligence and human skills. They don't pick up the signals.

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 21:23

Campbell, did you bother to read what you just posted in message 189?



What an absolute load of garbage!

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 21:26

Msg 190,

You're my beshtest, beshtest mate, you are.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 21:30

re msg 156



>>'They' under the influence and instruction of mmmmmm, are helping him to try and control the market in NC <<



ROFL ( rolls on the floor laughing )



>> - I suppose that I should be flattered that they have homed in on the person who 'they' consider to be the biggest threat to their 'operation' <<



I got accused of 'twisting' what was said yesterday.. but this takes the biscuit ..



Washerman - do not 'flatter' yourself... any 'homing' has been your nonsensical suggestions re the free UK VPN I offered and your inability to be straight

1/ re pricing ( it's come down )

2/claims for 'officialdom' - quietly withdrawn,

3/ promises / guarantees re Arab pay tv services which you can't possibly keep - you aren't a licensed dealer in a the regions / countries allocated..



What I STILL can't understand is that if you are the 'expert' you claim in IT - why you made such ridiculous statements - was it ignorance or 'devilment' ?

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 21:41

I think this stupidity will stop at 200 then it will be part 3.

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 21:42

Post 189



:It may be logistically impossible to meet face to face:



What a load of garbage, is this down to your fear of you meeting Erolz in person or your fear of facing up to the consequences of your recent attacks on Rauf Raif Denktaş and the TRNC.



Having a property here even if pre 74 title means you are still part of the system lol have a good flight.

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 21:54

Erolz, are you logged in as GinaC?

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
06/06/2011 21:57

oh my god



















































it will be soon part3