what's the big deal...??

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 19:29

About double ID's...so what if folk start talking to themselves...if anything, it's just a bit of unrelative entertainment...and i for one do not have a problem with it....in fact, it turns into a sort of quiz, trying to hook up who is who...it really is quite fun really!!



The only thing i have issues with, are people using 'text speak' or using super bad spelling...i love my language, and i love to see it used to the best of peoples abilities!! Bad spelling to me, is like putting sand in my ice cream...however those people who suffer (and it is an insufferable problem for those that are afflicted) with Dyslexia (i know it is insufferable, because my dyslexic friends tell me so) i feel for you, so, try using a spell checker....it would be of great use to you, and a wonderful booster to your esteem!!



Rant over....I refuse to use a spell checker as i am not dyslexic and therefore i have no excuse...(any mistakes are simply 'typos)



DD

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 19:36

What about the 'i's' you need to use your capital key.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 19:38

Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is that the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the human mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.



Pterty amzanig, huh?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 19:45

In my opinion overall dyslexia confers more advantages on those blessed with it than the difficulties it also bestows. In my view it is not an 'affliction' nor an 'insufferable problem' just a difference. As for spelling there is not a correlation I can see between being able to spell well and being able to put accross an idea well. I know some with bad spelling who are extremely gifted at getting accross ideas in text despite their spelling, just I as know others who have near perfect spelling and grammar yet are still unable to convey an idea in text. If writting a formal letter I will use a spell checker but on forums like this I do not and will not be changing my behaviour in this regard any time soon.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 19:49

Half the trouble here is lack of an edit facility

Sazna


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 1177

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 19:59

MSG 3 LOL !!!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 20:37

Agree with you DD, I too have no problem with double ids, they use this forum and use other forums under a different name so whats the big deal? ...

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 20:39

a lot of people think me and garry monger are the same person..............

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 20:57

Message 8. Whoever would have thought that?

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 21:01

Thinking of getting another myself very soon...



Well once I have been home and get myself another laptop. Not sure if you can do it by just using the one









That should also help with the weight loss.



Spider.X

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 21:03

Spider,don't bother, we'll soon find you out. ;(

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 21:26

msg 2....using an 'i' instead of an 'I'...is pure laziness on my part....and seeing as there are a lot of lazy spelling freaks on here....i consider it an indulgence on my part!! Forgiveness, is all i seek...



DD

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
02/07/2011 23:18

Like you DD I have never used spell checker, and never intend to. I make mistakes, everyone does, but I'm saddened at the generation that has been schooled to use computers, laptops, calculators and spell check - aside from the fact good caligraphy can be beautiful to behold; the reason I have on my sideboard a copy of Gone With The Wind, isn't just because it is a great read, but because it has my late father's handwriting on the inside leaf (I lost him when I was nineteen). All of us have unique, individual handwriting, and if you look at the writing of a beloved or late beloved, it is a part of who they were. My dad always wrote using an ink pen, and I still have his old wooden desk blotter, with the last piece of blotting paper still clamped onto it. That aside, what spell checker knows context? The difference between their and there, or hole and whole - et cetera.......no, if our education system hadn't been destroyed, there would be no need for it. Text speak? unbearable.

Goonerboy


Joined: 01/04/2009
Posts: 723

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 00:16

oops my bad thought the thread read what the big deal about Double D's!

MaggieAndBernie



Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 00:47

Msg 13 MsGarnett

I have 4 children and love them all dearly, The youngest was fortunate to be educated privately and the difference is remarkable - they had 'handwriting' lessons there were no calculators allowed in the maths lessons and after 'prep' each evening, they watched the news and current affairs programmes.

I blame successive, progressive governments who advocated children (my older ones) playing in sand pits etc and 'expressing' themselves, for the poor standards we see today! We, at a very young age, were learning out times tables and ABCs Standards have dropped !

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 03:59

I moved at the age of 9 from a North London comprehensive school to a fee charging private prep school in Hertfordshire. Their idea of 'helping' me with dyslexia was for me to daily spend and hour, whilst all the 'normal' children were out playing, tracing letters over and over. Pages and pages of tracing the letter 'S' that I would often write backwards and the letters 'P' and 'Q' that I would transpose. It did nothing to help my dyselxia but did install in me a great sense of injustice and did much to turn me against such formal education at such a tender age.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 05:30

M&B - my daughter was priviledged to be privately educated too, and I also think it shows, not only in her wide command of the language, but her confidence, ability to communicate on all levels and to think for herself. I am deeply sorry there is a two tier system, and am angry that children who are State educated oftentimes (unless you are the offspring of Blair) get the short end of the stick. Faith schools are generally excellent, yet obviously, over-prescribed. That 11 year old children are entering senior school barely able to string a sentence together says nothing about them, and a huge amount about the standard of teaching, the teachers themselves and as you say, successive Governments.



erolz - how awful for you! Your dyslexia should have been accommodated every minute of the day. I have a friend whose daughter is dyslexic - she was given a purple tinged sheet of plastic to put over a page of a book when reading, and somehow it helped her understand the words better.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 05:45

Indeed a bought priviledged and private education can increase an indivduals confidence, given that at the private school I went into after 'common entrance' exams at age 13 they constantly drummed in the mantra of 'you are in the top 5% of people in the country, you will go on to be the political and business leaders of the country' over and over. Such elitist propaganda will without doubt lead many impressionable youngsters to really believe they are better than average and the masses and display much confidence as a result.

It is my firm personal belief that if there was no '2 tier' system of education in the UK it could only lead to an improvement of state education accross the board to the benefit of vastly more indivduals than such would disadvantage. As the partial 'product' of the British public scholl system (meaning private fee charging system) I would happily ban such schools in an instant safe in the knowledge that doing so would benefit many and not just the rich.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 09:08

erolz - with respect, I hope you are not reading 'confident' as 'cocky' - not all Private (Public) schools instil in their pupils an elitist disposition - mine didn't, nor did my daughter's. I chose a multi-faith school (I am an atheist but wanted my child to have as broad an education as possible, both religiously and otherwise, to then make an informed decision as to her own paradigms) and interviewed the Headmaster most diligently. We all want the best for our children, and I make no apologies for taking that route - one is well aware in life, if you can write and speak properly and have a good work ethic and manners, you are more likely to get a job in a saturated market, than otherwise. Children have been failed by the State system where rotten teachers aren't sacked, the Government interfers constantly and the exam results are hiked up annually, too good to be true - yet there are bad Public schools and good State ones - one has to either have cash or luck to get either.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 09:12

I entirely agree with the practical sentiments of 'erolz', so honestly expressed in message 18!



In my novel, 'The Remittance Man's Roots', prep and public school life in the 50's to 60's is graphically described - especially the brutality that was a 'dyed-in-the wool' feature of such institutionalised private education.



Borstal was probably a 'holiday camp' compared to, not all, but many British public schools!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 09:22

MsGarnet I can only speak about my own experience at a public school. There is no doubt that at mine, teaching youngsters from 13 onwards that they were part of the top 5% of people in the country and destined to go on to be the political and business leaders of the future was very much part of the ciriculum. The goverment does indeed interfer constantly in the state school system that the vast majority of government did not come from and does not use itself, even in 2011. That for me is the problem with a two tier education system.

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 09:36

Does it really matter if you had a private education ? I think accents are interesting. Most people i know that had a private education have lost their regional accent . As long as you can get your point across , who cares whether you spell every word right or put a comma in the right place ! I was educated in a West London secondary modern school. I have written short stories and worked for my local newspaper covering all sorts of sports. Who would have thought that !! I write how i speak and i haven't done too bad .

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 09:47

I totaly agree arrry that its ability to convey ideas that counts. I see no real correlation between ability to spell and ability to convey an idea effectively.

As far as accents go, when I moved from North London to a prep school in hertfordshire there was only one condition on my being accepted into the prep school at a non standard age, beyond the ability of my parents to pay that is. There was no concern that I had not studied any French previoulsy where as my contemporaries had been studying it for two years already, nor that my maths was behind. The only concern and condition of my joining the school was that I took extra carricula elocution lessons, that my parents paid extra for, so that my North London accent would not 'infect' the others students at the school.

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 10:20

Erolz........great post, so do you speak with a " posh " Norf Lundun accent ? LOL

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 10:27

.....'The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain....'



Impossible to say in 'Zildish'!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 10:39

re msg 18



>> if there was no '2 tier' system of education in the UK it could only lead to an improvement of state education accross the board to the benefit of vastly more indivduals than such would disadvantage. As the partial 'product' of the British public scholl system I would happily ban such schools in an instant safe in the knowledge that doing so would benefit many and not just the rich.<<



Hi Erolz



you may not remember but the Harper Trust - founded to promote decent education in Bedford had Dame Alice Harper and Bedford Modern Schools to 'compete with the High School and Bedford School - the 'public' [ private actually] versions of said Trust... It was the incompetent socialist govt that forced Direct Grant Grammar schools to either become Comprehensive schools or go private that forced the Harper Trust to take two fine schools into the private sector... I am a product of a reduced fee scholarship ! - the socialists CREATED the system you wish to ban ;)

Riddles


Joined: 26/04/2011
Posts: 429

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 23:29

You can have soup-stains on your tie and it's still a tie ..but it looks cr*p ...same with incorrect spelling.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
03/07/2011 23:56

Riddles I disagree. The POINT of a tie is how it looks. It's purpose is appearance. When you write something the real point, the purpose is to get accross an idea or meaning, that is what matters, in my personal opinion. You can have text the apperance of which is beautiful but conveys no meaning and you can have text the appearance of which is bad yet still conveys meaning. I know which I think is the more important. Sure its better to have everything but first and foremost what matters to me is meaning, everything else is secondary, unlike with a tie, where how it looks is everything.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
04/07/2011 00:10

MsGarnet, your grammar isn't as perfect as you think, I could pull it to pieces but will leave it to you to reread and correct.Verbs, adverbs, nouns, pronouns.Spelling example "priviledged" "interfers" to name a couple.



Grow up you, or don't, you make me laugh anyway.



hahahahahahaha...

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
04/07/2011 00:55

Roomy ........are you Hans in disguise !!! PMSL.....

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
04/07/2011 00:58

Christ almighty arrry don't ask him that he will start a campaign to have you banned.hahahahahahaha...

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
04/07/2011 01:00

Roomy .........by the way i think you missed a comma out !!! ROFL ( just for Hans ) LOL

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
04/07/2011 01:02

nahItalkpitmatic

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
04/07/2011 01:04

And your i should have been I hahahahahahahaha...

Riddles


Joined: 26/04/2011
Posts: 429

Message Posted:
04/07/2011 01:05

Msg 28

I think it's naive to think that a tie only exists to look like a tie ...it signifies aspects of the relationship between the wearer and the observer ...one aspect is that of respect ("I wear a clean tie because I regard you, the observer, as worthy of my respect2). The same thing can be drawn from language whether spoken or written.

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
04/07/2011 01:50

Wouldn't it be boring if every one talked the same ? Accents are a tradition, and we shouldn't let them die.I am Londoner and proud of it . Why shouldn't i be ? I don't talk posh, by any stretch of the imagination , and don't want to. I can still get my point across and go head to head with any one .The English language is the best in the world , and every nation is envious of it.Does it really matter how we get it across ? Ok , so you make a few punctuation mistakes , so what !!! 99.99% of folk will know what you are on about .Ok so there will always be one ....................

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
04/07/2011 05:31

Msg 29 - you clearly missed where I said many posts before your sad effort at being derogatory:- "I make mistakes, everyone does,".............



"MsGarnet, your grammar isn't as perfect as you think"



Show me a post where I have said my grammar is perfect, and I will give you a million pounds.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
04/07/2011 05:40

Msg 29 - Allow me to leave yours, to "reread and correct" also..........



"I have triball tatoos on my right shoulder," - pot, kettle, black.....

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
04/07/2011 09:58

Well this thread has given me a good laugh.



Ms G < I have a tatoo > My mother gave all her six children one at the age of five just befor we started school..Tiss on our backsides and reads '' slap here '' Still works as it happens.......







Spider,X

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
04/07/2011 13:56

bored gubbs nothing better to do