Permission to Purchase

jetl3on


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
02/10/2007 21:19

Hallo,



After months of research, I am on the verge of an inspection trip and have come across this thing called "Permission to Purchase" on the HPGB website, which the agent didnt mention. What is it, and is it mandatory for all buyers? has anyone been refused this permission? what grounds? Anyone got 10minutes to bullet point the buying process would be helpful, I dont trust taking the word of the Agent.



Ta



Jet-Leon



PS: is it true you have to be retired to emigrate to NC?

orangekazzie



Joined: 31/07/2007
Posts: 1091

Message Posted:
02/10/2007 21:35

Everyone has to have a permission to purchase before the land/property can be transferred into your name via a Kocan (title deeds). The only time a permission is refused is if the property is being built near to military premises or if you have a serious police record in your originating Country.



Permission to Purchase is normally applied for by your solicitor as the first step to buying the property. It is possible if you are buying on a large estate that the builder has applied for it in his name so he can get started on the property. You should ask your solicitor if it has been applied for, in whose name and what the reference number is. You can then track it in the Land Registry.



Its really best to apply and receive your purchase before you start to build but its very rare for people to do this nowadays.



You also should be aware that there are tax and registry fees to be paid after completion of the property.



Hope this helps



Karen

orangekazzie



Joined: 31/07/2007
Posts: 1091

Message Posted:
02/10/2007 21:45

Missed the bottom bit. No you don't have to be retired to emigrate to NC.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
02/10/2007 21:47

My knowledge is patchy Jet-Leon. I will tell you what I know and others will likely plug my gaps. Bradus and ukturk probbaly know the most in this area.



I have recently paid the final fees for my property, and I now have the keys so I can now holiday in it.

I now have to go through the process of gaining permission to purchase. This can be quite a lengthy episode which has previously taken up to 2 years. Through negotiations the HBPG are attempting to speed this process up.



Permission to purchase can be denied, and I think it is the military that can deny this. I have been led to believe that there are only two ways that you can be denied permission 1 - If your property is located close to a military base and 2 - If you have a criminal record.

In regard to this second point, I have now applied to the police here in the UK to prove that I have no convictions (takes up to 40 days and costs £10). I will pass this information to my solicitor, who will then forward it to the right parties. Once permission has been granted you will then receive the kocan (title deed) and you will then need to pay your final taxes.



My understanding is that you do not have to have permission to purchase to sell your property. You can do so at any time.

My builder has agreed to sell the property for me and give me the money back should I be refused permission to purchase. We have put this in to the contract.

Just to reiterate, you can live in your place whilst you are waiting for permission to buy.



Sorry, can't answer your question about emmigration

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
02/10/2007 21:49

I confer with orangekazzie. One has to have a very serious criminal record to be denied

jetl3on


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
03/10/2007 00:12

Makes sense and thank you.

Im also looking for a list of ALL expected costs associated with buying in NC, for example a "resale" property, so I can ensure I have budgeted correctly and no surprises, where can I find that?



Property Tax

Registry fees

solicitor fees

police check (UK)

Purchase price obviously

permission to purchase (i assume there is a cost there)

connection of all utilities



etc etc etc....??



Many Thanks



JLM

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
03/10/2007 00:30

Jet hope this helps. However you will find that most people go ahead with thier purchase prior to obtaining their ptp. You can't win really. If you see a property you like would the builder hold it for 2 years while you get your ptp? If you don't get your ptp then you have acted outside the law and the trnc legal requirements. This is a law which certainly needs looking at fast!

Permission to Purchase

The Homebuyers’ Pressure Group were first informed at a meeting with the Undersecretary of the Interior Ministry on Wednesday 19th October 2005 that no one should enter into any Property Sales Contract or pay any deposits on properties until they have received their Permission to Purchase from the Interior Ministry. Both the Interior Minister, Özkan Murat and Undersecretay Alnar have re-confirmed this to us in recent months.



This is the law. You must decide whether or not to wait but remember you could be refused Permission. If that happens, even if you have paid for the property in full, you can never own it.



The Undersecretary also advised that potential purchasers should submit and expedite their own Application and that the services of an Estate Agent or Lawyer/Solicitor are not required for this process. This service is provided free by the TRNC government.



The Interior Ministry are currently processing approximately 5000 applications. If your Application was made over 2 years ago, and you have not been informed that you have been approved, there may be a problem with it, or your lawyer / estate agent may have forgotten to inform you that your Permission is sanctioned. Get your Application number from whoever filed it on your behalf and contact the Interior Ministry yourself to check on it's status, telephone 00 90 392 611 1127 and ask for Sevil, Ayşa or Adnan.

When you have your ptp you should give the Approval Number and Date to whoever made the Application on your behalf. They should then start the title transfer process by initiating a property valuation at the Land Registry, which takes a few weeks. The next stage is for both you and the seller to pay the relevant taxes and the land owner then signs over the Koçan (Title Deed) to you.



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jetl3on


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
03/10/2007 17:16

Bradus,



Thank you for the clarification, I guess its laws like these that fuel the bad publicity directed towards NC, against investing in the island?



ILC - you have this clause in your contract, guaranteeing a refund, but if a reseller refuses to include that Clause, is it a legal requirement or optional?



From what I understand, you cannot sell a property if the title is not in your name? So worst case scenario, No PTP, No Title deed in your name and No refund from the seller, what can you do in that scenario, transfer to someone else`s name who has passed the PTP?



Thanks

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
03/10/2007 21:40

Jet,

Thats exactly what you would have to do -- apply to purchase the property in another name (son or daughter?) Yes you are right it is a stupid law and I believe its only foreigners who have to wait this ridiculous time period. It works well for the TC's because it is often only a six week wait for them. Of course even if you were going through the procedure by transfering to another name it will take 2 more years and all this time the property is still owned by the builder.The HBPG were campaigning to change this law or at least speed up the process but we can no longer monitor the time its taking for people to get their ptp as the government no longer give the group details. Its a major headache especially for people like me who are buying pre turkish title deeds as I am informed that many are being refused.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
03/10/2007 22:27

Bradus - that's bad news that some pre 74 Title deeds are being refused. How many? Are they saying why, if the person is not near a military site and doesn't have a criminal record? Are they saving that land? hhhmmm I wonder. Gives you a worry that you could do without.



Jet - My builder will not give me a refund directly but has agreed to resell the property for me and then give me the funds. He has covered himself by saying he has 18 months in which to sell the property. It's not a great deal but this was the best I could get. Of course, the golden question in the TRNC is 'how much is a contract actually worth'. I do trust my builder and I am sure he would do what the contract specifies. His reputation is important to him.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 00:14

Obviously can't get hold of any info on why pre 74 are being refused nor do I know anyone who has been refused but comments on different forums about this keep appearing. However I refuse to get worked up about something that might not happen or that I have no real control over. I will be visitng ptp office when next out there to see if any progress has been made.Like you we would have to sell but its not exactly a sellers market and I ask myself if I looked at property and found out that ptp had been refused would I take the risk and purchase it? Might make resale difficult. Refusal is rare on the grand scale.

jetl3on


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 13:56

Interesting to note, there are others in action for the following reasons:



(sorry for the long post, some may find interesting)



1)In 1974 Turkey invaded Northern Cyprus killing civilians and occupying land that was not theirs under the pretence that they were protecting the Turkish Cyrpits living on the island (5% of the island's population who were always well intergrated). Since then Turkey has shipped thousands of illegal settlers into the North in order to populate the island and ensure its claims could be validated.



At the beginning of the Iraq war Turkey threatened to invade northern Iraq to protect the the Turkmenistan people who are descended form the Turks. Coincidentally this threatened invasion into Northern Iraq would mean that the Kurdish reigion in the North would come under Turkish control.



Turkish people are lovely but the Turkish government are aggressive and untrustworthy. Stop Turkish aggression. Support this appeal to make the PM aware of your concerns.



2)Given the entry of the Republic of Cyprus into the European Union on the first of May 2004 and that Turkish is an official language of the Republic of Cyprus, it is a manifest injustice that an official language of a member state of the EU has not been adopted as an official language of the EU in line with the adoption of other acceding countries languages



3)Up until 1974, Turkish Cypriot's, along with Greek speaking Cypriots were one in the same, integrated and combined in culture, attitudes and virtues, save for the short lived minority movement called EOKA who wanted a re-unification with Greece. Due to this movement, the Turkish government decided to take over nearly 40% of the country, separating and breaking this integration in order to protect their Turkish cypriot citizens. This tiny country is now divided and crying out-from both parts, for a reunification. Solution: Why not provide the integration again once owned by all Cypriots by encouraging the Turkish Cypriots to move to the South side, provide them with a Cypriot citizens welfare, leaving the Turkish army and settlement no requirement for their 'protection', which would force them to depart from the island which only wishes for peace and prosperity. This may not be a perfect solution, but integration is key as we are all cypriots, and is surely possible, with the Pyla village on the South of the island being a perfect example of how Turkish and Greek Cypriots can live and work together in harmony, respect and love. Thank you



4)To take all steps possible to prevent Turkish admission to the EEC, until Turkey unconditionally ceases to illegaly occupy that part of northern Cyprus and that part of northern Cyprus is once again reunited with the legitimate and internationally recognised Republic of Cyprus. Then, and only then should Turkish application for membership be considered.

jetl3on


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 13:58

Oops sorry, this was meant for another post.



Administrator please delete reply above (and this one).

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 14:02

jetl30n is post 12 your opnion or quotes from Greek Cypriots and their sympathisers?

jetl3on


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 14:12

DY1259,



I have no opinions and I am very careful when posting not to express any about what I consider to be a personal and sensitive matter and one which I know very little about.



Quotes are active petitions I found on the 10 Downing street Petitions page, I thought some may be interested to read, (posted to the wrong topic, meaqnt for the PETITIONS post).



I hope that clarifies the situation.



Rgds



Jetleon

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 14:16

oh my god

jetl3on please tell me you just copied and pasted this utter rubbish from a greek politcian or has been generated from the greek cypriot propaganda machine

trust me you dont wont to get me started

i hope these are not your views because their are one sided and totally inaccurate

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 14:51

What the ROC government wants is 'osmosis' of Turkish Cypriots whereby the Greek Cypriots control Cyprus and the indigenous TCs are merely an ethnic minority. This explains why the ROC is reluctant to agree to any solution to Cyprus and also why it continues with its campaign of embargoes and non recognition of the TRNC. The ROC hopes the TCs will relent to GCypriot wishes and that the Turkish military leaves Cyprus; it is impossible for either to ever happen.



The Greek Cypriots, given the chance would continue their aim to ethnically cleanse Cyprus of Turkish Cypriots/Turks. The reason why there is exhange land being sold in the TRNC is because TCs lost land/homes in the ROC (much, much more than the propagandist GCypriots claim). These TCs do not have access to this land, niether has the ROC paid out compensation to them, thus the TRNC government after many years of hoping for a solution, and with no other option, and especially after the Annan Plan was rejected by the GCs, have by way of compensation to the TCs, given them exchange land.



In fact all of the land is either exchange land or what I view to be compensation to the TCs for all they have had to endure up to now at the hands of the GCs.

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 14:56

I wil add: The GCs are being offered compensation (money) for their land from the TRNC as well as being able to keep Turkish Cypriot land/homes-how much more do they want? Well, we all know the answer to that. It is clear how unreasonable the GCs and ROC government are being especially as they've had recognition, wealth and paricipation in worldwide events. They still want more and more. Greedy comes to mind.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 15:43

Hi Jet



I believe the administrator is away on National service. Is that true, is Izzet still away? Not sure if entries are deleted anyway.



Jet, it looks like you are doing what most of us have done in great detail and that is to try and get to the bottom of the conflict, to assess who is right and who is wrong in order that you can make the right decision.

Good luck, ukturk and dy1259 have expressed their views as TC's

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 16:08

http://www.999today.com/viewpoint/story/21.html



This might be useful. I have finally tracked down Donald Crawford QC. He has contacted me today by e-mail. I am hoping he will reply to my request in providing more info as to why the GC legal claims are invalid

jetl3on


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 16:15

Oh boy, I was afraid this might happen......



UK and DY - I repeat....they are simply the subjects for Petitions posted on the Downing Street Petitions board.

I DO NOT have an opinion on this, I was just reading your petition and came across them, I (wrongly) thought may make interesting reading, I copied it here for "discussion" not to antagonise.



ILC - interpreted correctly, I thank you I just read, ask questions and digest. Knowledge is Power.



Now guys, play nice, im new here



Jetleon



PS: There must be a way to retract incorrect or posts made in error, surely?

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 16:42

Hi Jet



This has been posted before, but you might find this interesting. It was put together by a GC



video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7695688617775364591&q=voice+of+blood&total=893&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0



PS There must be a way to retract. I think Izzet is the only one who can do it. Don't worry just leave it on there. It's not a problem. I have put plenty of stuff on here that I wish I hadn't, but we all forget

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 16:44

also http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmfaff/113/113we45.htm

dy1259


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 357

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 16:45

jet my reply in post 17 was not attacking you, I was merely responding to the petitions you had posted and also to your request to find out more.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 17:16

jet

all is well mate!!!!

i now know that these were not your own words just some plonka who had posted it on e-petitions (prob some gc idiot thinking they are clever)

its subjects like these that hit a bit of a nerve for people like me and dy who are cypriots and i know you want to learn more

i promise ill take it easy with you next time

l.o.l

p.s also jet it is true knowledge is power stick with this forum and you will prob learn a bit

jetl3on


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 17:28

*Phew* glad we cleared that up



Bradus/ILC -



Going back on topic, what can one do with a property he has purchased, but with no PTP exactly? I guess he is not considered the legal owner and therefore cannot rent it out? So does that mean the buiklder/titled owner could "technically" claim it as his own?

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 17:46

jet



As far as I understand there is nothing whatsoever to stop you from renting out the property. You can live in it an do whatever you want.



My contract says this:



9 The purchaser shall apply for the grant of the necessary permission from the council of ministers in accordance with the (immovable property acquisition (aliens) law (chapter 109, Laws of Cyprus). Should permission be refused, the vendor will arrange the sale of the property and return xxxxxx to the purchaser within 18 months of the permission being refused

10 In the event that the purchaser wishes to sell the property before taking title to the property, the vendor hereby agrees to consent to the sale of the property and to sign a Deed of Assignment and/or any other necessary documents to effect the sale.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
04/10/2007 23:22

hi jet

i noticed this thread late to add my input but i would say that ilovecyprus-bradus-dy have covered eveything

your answer to your question ilc is right there is no one that can stop you renting while you wait for your kocan to be transfered in to your name via ptp the only ones that can get involved are the tax office because they see it as an buisness income

If you wanted to sell your property and you have not go your ptp & kocan

its no big deal i know a lot who have done this all if not most contracts of sale the holder of the kocan gives consent for the purchaser to resale the property prior to the ptp and kocan being transfered in to the buyers name

guys if you are really worried about the ptp being refused because its too close to army base or its government protected land etc then dont buy of plan in the middle of nothing with no other occupied houses make sure you buy where there is occupied houses within view hence i say occupied because if these people are living in their houses and got their kocan then they got their ptp, just ask people near to where you going to buy/build or just buy a resale property which is owned by a foreigner if the kocan is in the sellers name then their wont be no probs for the buyers

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
05/10/2007 01:03

UKTURK,

which areas in the north were mainly greek and which were Tc. Were many of the villages mixed and if so did people live in the same village but isolated themselves? Were they true communities?

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
05/10/2007 01:42

bradus

the north side that were mainly greek was famagusta with a small section of turks in the centre of town, kyrenia was mostly greek apart from the centre of town, some of the villages in limassol had a large turk population places like bogaz dipkarpaz - paphos some parts of larnaca

apart from the towns the villiage people intergrated with each other

also i have just sent you an email of a map of cyprus 1958 showing in red the turk comunitiy and white the greek

jmg171


Joined: 19/05/2007
Posts: 183

Message Posted:
05/10/2007 03:30

ukturk, would you mind sending me a map of cyprus 58,I am also curious. We have bought in arapkoy and tatlisu it would be intersting to know who occupied the land at that time.

Best wishes x

jetl3on


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
05/10/2007 12:28

Sound advice, thank you all.



UKTurk,

Would you mind sending me a copy of the map? Will come in useful on my inspection trip.



Much appreciated

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
05/10/2007 12:35

hi there jm and jet

no probs i will send you both these maps tonight because im at work now and the maps are at home

jet i will send you two maps 1) the map of cyprus 1958 showing turk-greek populations and the second an up to date detailed town-city-village map

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
05/10/2007 12:37

Hi UKTURK

Sorry to be a pain but as we have purchased in Bogas would love to see plan.

many thanks

p

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
05/10/2007 13:22

no probs pılgrim ill email you tonite what one would you like present day one or the 1958 one

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
05/10/2007 21:44

sorry UKTURK, what have I started?



Thanks for the map.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
05/10/2007 23:08

bradus

what have you done!!!!

i feel so used

L.O.L

jmg- jet - pilgrim and even you ilc (thrown in for good measure) i have just e-mailed you with those maps

smoggyjim


Joined: 21/07/2007
Posts: 214

Message Posted:
06/10/2007 05:24

ukturk why dont you post the map as I am sure lots of us would like to see it, I am interested in Bacheli

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
06/10/2007 10:19

smoggyjim

i would love to post this map but i have only got the map on my hard drive and did not get it off the net so i cant link it and not sure if you can actually post pics on here unless you know how to!!!

so your answer to your next question is yes i will send it to you via email

BOJOY


Joined: 13/09/2007
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
06/10/2007 14:05

Hi ukturk, Sorry to be a bit of a pain but could you also send me copies of the maps please? Like smoggyjim i am interested in Bahceli.

Thanks

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
06/10/2007 14:16

no probs

bojoy yes you are a bit of a pain l.o.l (only joking mate) i will send the two maps to you, will do this tonite ok!!



bradus i forgive you but i wont forget this for what you have started you owe me big time!!!!!!!!!!! L.O.L (pulling your leg)

jetl3on


Joined: 10/08/2007
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
06/10/2007 16:20

UKTurk,



received, much appreciated.



Jetleon

livethedream


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
06/10/2007 17:00

Bradus, re. mixed villages. My mother in law was born and lived in Paphos (Baf), her next door neighbour was greek and she used to sit and help her with her homework - would say that was fairly mixed!!!

smoggyjim


Joined: 21/07/2007
Posts: 214

Message Posted:
07/10/2007 05:58

UKTurk,

got the map Thanks

Dalek


Joined: 21/08/2007
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
07/10/2007 08:24

uk turk did you post the flights petition in your own name ?? if so you have a very english one

Keep up the good work

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
07/10/2007 10:15

hi dalek

i did not start the petition my mate john in the u.k his brother stephen started it i just stumbled on it then got a email from him that he started one because he knows that i go on the forums so he thought how better to advertise this

and it worked i think over 110 signatures in 2 1/2 days

not bad dont you think!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
07/10/2007 20:23

UTURK, i THINK i OWE YOU AN EFFES!

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
07/10/2007 20:44

UKTURK

received many thanks

p

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
08/10/2007 00:07

bradus

i think you owe a couple more than one and im sorry im a whiskey drinker and raki

told you forgive but dont forget!!!!!! l.o.l

me being a british turkish cypriot living in n cyprus and turkey gives me a smile when i can pass on what i know and my views to people and they learn something and vicer versa all for free on these forums

(guys can you have your cedit card details ready for my services renderd at the end of the month)

thank you

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
08/10/2007 00:09

Uturk

whereabouts in England did you live?

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
08/10/2007 00:16

south east of england

north london to be precise in palmers green where most of all the turkish cypriots are!!!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
08/10/2007 00:21

I live in Sheffield and have to say that although its a real melting pot I had never met a TC until I went to TRNC.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
08/10/2007 00:38

most tc's that live in the u.k are from london if im not mistaken where you live the indian and pakistarni has a big community so it would be hard to meet a tc person

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
08/10/2007 00:50

Lots of poles too. I work in a big teaching hospital and the British nurses within my unit are the minority. Lots of African, Pakistani, Indian, Chinese and some nurses from Spain. Never a dull day and it works well.

BOJOY


Joined: 13/09/2007
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
08/10/2007 09:30

Hi ukturk,

Thanks for the maps.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
08/10/2007 11:47

Hi, ukturk



First time I have spoken to you but enjoy all your posts, they are very informative. I would love to have one of these maps you have talked about, we have a property at esentepe and will be out on the 14th.



Thanks



Avril

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
08/10/2007 11:47

bradus

you know why the british nurses are a minority because most of them have left the country or the industry because firstly the pay is low and now the n.h.s have cottoned on to the fact that these nurses from africa-pakistan-india etc etc do the same job for the same pay or even less and now the british workers are pricing themselves out of a job

and also these foreign workers dont complain about working conditions where the british ones complain about anything and everything, but to tell you the truth this is happening in most of the industries in and around the u.k especially in the construction industry and is a major problem in london

so sooner or later the u.k will go back to how it was like when labour was in government in the good old 70's (total shambles)

thats why i got out before it is too late

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
08/10/2007 11:59

hi avril

thank you for your kind words im glad my knowledge and info has helped you

ill be glad to send you the detailed present day map and the map from 1958 i will email you tonite with these

p.s no probs bojoy

p.p.s bradus you have proper stiched me up with this for every poster who asks me for the maps you owe me a jack daniels with cola and ice with a slice of lemon so far i think you owe me 8 looks like im having a cheap nite then

L.O.L - L.O.L - L.O.L

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
09/10/2007 17:00

Hi ukturk,



Received your map last night as you promised, thank you very much. Keep up with your interesting and informative posts and maybe we can all arrange to meet up with other bloggers some time.



Kind Regards



Avril

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
09/10/2007 17:25

thank you avril

that would be nice if we all could meet up but im not allowed to talk shop under strict orders from the other half because everytime we go out it always ends up with people gathered around me asking me for advice or want to hear my stories i enjoy it but my better half does not!!!!!

l.o.l

B&BLondon


Joined: 31/01/2007
Posts: 64

Message Posted:
11/10/2007 19:50

uk turk - I wish i'd got in earlier but i'd love to see the map! I have read 'The Genocide Files' and would like to visualise where the villages were that are mentioned.