An open question to KAR

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 12:37

I admire KAR and their dedication towards animals here. I may not agree with all their policies, but I have always found that they have the interest of animal welfare at the top of their agenda.

However I need to question when their policy is changed to suit circumstances.

A tagged dog has been released close to my home and this dog is causing problems. I have never seen this dog before last week when it suddenly appeared barking at all times of the day and night, and ripping open bin bags.

I suspect that this dog has been "relocated" to Ozankoy, and it has been DUMPED on us.

I know from past discussions with KAR that dogs are regularly "relocated" to areas away from their normal stomping grounds and that they are frequent problems.

I am concerned that the law will be taken into the wrong hands and that the dog will suffer.

WILL KAR COME AND RECATCH THIS DOG AND RELEASE IT NEARER TO WHERE IT WAS CAUGHT. Please before something happens to this dog.

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 13:08

Msg. 1 Mr Vince, rather than put an open message on this board and hope that someone from KAR picks it up, why don't you contact them direct. I suspect you have a hidden agenda, rather than getting your question answered via the more logical route!!

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 13:54

Good luck Mr Vince, KAR rarely answer open questions.

yacht56


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 13:58

agree with message 2,get in touch direct.

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 14:51

Tango1 and yacht56. Kar hierarchy are well aware of this dog. I am advised that there was a heated discussion within the vet office which ended in farce. I am using this vehicle to point out their apparent reluctance to act. Meanwhile we have to live with the mess.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 15:05

The Tag in the dogs ear has a number on it.....KAR should have a record of where the dog was picked up,Ask to see the record,if they don't let you, they have answered your question as to the origin of the animal.....some N/R dogs are "relocated" randomly.....and it's the animal that suffers...

JohnDownes


Joined: 03/12/2010
Posts: 123

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 15:21

I've been here before. A tagged dog parked herself on our doorstep a couple of years ago and would not go away. We gave in of course and adopted her, but on making enquiry of KAR (asked them to check the tag umber) we were assured that she had been spayed.



Bugger me, four months later she gave birth to 9 puppies. (We found homes for most of them and kept three).



But you have to ask yourself, do these people know what they are doing? To tell us that the bitch we picked up had been spayed, when she clearly had not been, there's something seriously wrong.

mozgor



Joined: 16/06/2010
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 19:06

Hi JohnDownes, I know that I shouldn't have cos it's not really funny, but your post did make me giggle :o)

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 19:32

Hi mozgor,,,Although Johndownes post was humorous,the stray dog problem in TRNC is no laughing matter,KAR are now FULL and cannot take any more strays , therefore they are no longer a Rescue Centre, more of a "Warsaw Ghetto" for dogs/cats .........and no solution in sight.............:(

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 10:14

This must be a roller coaster that never ends for Margaret Ray. Started with the best intentions, but I wonder would she have done it again, knowing the outcome.

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 12:17

maybe its time to start putting these poor dogs to sleep , how awful to be roaming the streets , starving and thirsty in this heat, i adore animals, and admire Kar for thier efforts, but action needs to be taken now, to stop this dreadful situation, these dogs are not happy and its not nice to see skin and bone wandering in search of food!!!

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 13:10

In the back of my car is a large bag of dog bisuits, bowls and as much water in bottles as I can, so I stop on the side of the road as and when possible. (people must think, there goes that nutty woman again!!) However, the water is now so hot, a stray dogs will rarely drink it. Lack of water is a terrible way to die (a dog or cat can go without food for an amazing length of time but liquid is absolutely essential that's why they will go into people gardens - to try and get water from swimming pools). I say to people, please fill an old washing up bowl daily with water and place it outside your property, away from gates etc and preferably in the shade, just so that any passing stray can have a drink. I don't know about you, but I'm drinking litres and litres of the stuff at the moment, so try and imagine what it's like without.



Tango1

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 13:14

thats lovely of you Tango.



I put a large stainless steel bowl of water behind the shop for the stray cats (and my puppy when she came to work with me in the early days) and the bowl has been stolen!!! I will get a cheap plastic one from Mr Pound when I get a chance.

fatelady


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 04:03

i will do the same as prev message and put it on the our land next to the house , we have feed the strays before put it is really becomming a big problem and because our cat was attacked and ripped to pieces by a pack of wild dogs we do not want to encourage them on or near our property

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 06:02

vince old fella - leave KAR alone....



They are struggling to cope with the unwanted and strays.



imagine walking into the sea and trying to stop the waves with your bare hands - thats what daily life is like for KAR



i think they do a great job.

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 16:09

good for you negative nick - not SO negative after all!!!

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 16:20

Thanks for that NN - King Canute comes to mind when it comes to holding back the tide. KAR is probably the only charity in the TRNC that gets constantly moaned about, how MK lives with it day in and day out I don't know. Why don't you people who whine and winge and criticise, actually do something to help. A few months ago there was an Open Meeting held at a local hotel, it was well advertised and how many people turned up, 6 I think it was. Don't sit there at your computers, continually carping why don't you help Kar for Gods sake and then perhaps you will see what the Organisation is faced with on a 365 day basis.



And those people who winge "because no-one answered my call" why don't you get involved yourself and then perhaps you could take calls at weekends and in the evenings. Just don't sit there and moan!!



Tango1

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 16:39

Mr Vince, your problem is small compared to that of all the stray dogs, would you want to swap places? We had dogs 'appear' tagged from KAR several years ago, funnily enough just after we bought a dog from them for 50TL (still can't believe I paid for one). One of them moved on, the other is our beautiful Molly, a wonderful golden labrador, who I wouldn't give away for all the tea in China.

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 19:13

message 15. If you could take the time to re read the first sentance of myposting you will see that I stated that I admire what KAR do. I question their policies, writen or just understood, on the tagging and return of neutered animals, and where these animals are returned to.

message 18. One mans problem is another mans distraction. Congratulations on taking in a stray dog. You do not get a gold star for doing that. Acts of charity are best done in secrete.

message 17. I think that you know that I have in fact dedicated almost 2 years working for KAR, only to have this community service withdrawn when I queried dumping dogs outwith the area they were caught in. I do not know if this is official policy or if it is just expediant. All I know is that this is not an isolated occurance.

I acknowledge KAR's reluctance to enter into a slagging match on this forum, however it would be nice if KAR could publish its Method Statement so that in future we know what is what

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 19:46

Msg. 19 If running an organisation such as KAR were an exact science, then I feel sure there would be a Method Statement, but it isn't. However, I do know of a number of occasions when a dog has been neutered and returned to the area that it knows well, where it knows of houses where it won't be treated badly, where there are bins it can get to, where there is a Cafe that is prepared to chuck leftover food out, only for people to stuff the dog in the back of their cars and "relocate" it themselves, rather than have it back on the dogs "home turf"



Treated right most of these strays (not all I am the first to admit) just need food and water and if these are supplied, preferably away from your own property they will mind their own business, wander off for a few days, wander back when the mood takes them and sometimes wander off to pastures new.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 21:49

msg20.....Tango 1 ...What are you talking about.......at least 3 dogs have been released in our area that are obviously strange to the area...yes they raid bins for food,garbage and babies nappies, most are half starved ,covered in fleas and ticks and full of worms.....When will you wake up to the fact that left to their own devices Dogs do not do well as strays,neutered or not!!And don't tell me they are periodically checked by KAR because I definitely beg to differ !

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 10:38

Tango 1



All I want to know is what is the agreed policy about releasing captured and released animals.



When I worked for the cat catching team, we always deposited the cats within a few meters of their capture. This was an agreed policy.



Dumping dogs near to where expats live, even when they are caught elsewhere, was not a policy, but was a habit introduced by center staff. Staff who admitted to me that they had frequently dumped dogs near to my home.



I for one do not want packs of wandering strays where I live.



Maybe its time for KAR to step aside and a more lasting solution be found.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 15:36

Mr Vince...".A more lasting Solution be found"

That makes 2 lasting solutions to be found... .....And so it goes on........