English Bull Terriers

tarotlady


Joined: 15/02/2011
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 17:10

loving homes wanted for english bull terrier puppies,male and female,white with black patch,hand reared,very socialble.....0533 8452349

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 17:38

If you have the welfare of this wonderful breed of dog at heart please please be very selective to whom you sell them to. Do not sell to those who will just tie them up all day for a status symbol, they are a people dog and need to be with people most of the time.



I was asked many times when I had my bullterrier in Cyprus could I breed my dog. Having seen how some people treat their dogs I would not entertain the idea. Sadly that day appears to have arrived. I hope you know what you are doing.



There was or still is a particular local in Kyrenia who has dogs for fighting, please do not let him any where near these dogs.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 17:57

Having had 2 English Bull terriers in the UK and loved them dearly, I strongly endorse the views of Quarmby.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 18:04

Thank you Hector, you fully understand my concerns. I have been dreading this for many years and hoped it would never come to fruition.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 18:35

Are the puppies KC Registered in the south? or FCi elsewhere please?

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
12/07/2011 20:05

I cannot believe that a british person would be advertising puppies on here, shame on you woman!

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 01:08

Tarotlady



if you want them to go to good homes I assume you are an experienced bullterrier owner, then why not keep them and ensure they are brought in a safe and loving environment and not left to the whims of the "status owners". Are you going to vet these new owners? to check wether they are suitable to manage this breed? How many years have you been breeding them?



Msg 6

Totally agree with you.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 01:14

how about.............mind your own bussiness?

They are being offered(at a price maybe).......not asking your opinion/advice.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 01:23

There he goes again, flapping at the lips, get back to the dishes Yorg or you won't get any pocket money.

tarotlady


Joined: 15/02/2011
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 08:13

having had the breed for the past forty years we know all there is to know about the breed,so we are completely aware of the importance of finding the right owners,

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 08:33

God help us all. This is what is happening in UK with these "status dogs" They are being HUNG FROM TREES to strengthen their jaws. The dogs are made to clamp their jaws around branches or a rope and then left hanging in order to make them better fighting dogs. How long will it take for the cretinous oafs who can been seen walking around with their "pets" in the evenings in Girne, to catch on with this training method. I wouldn't wonder if there were not blow by blow instructions on the web already.



Tango1

shaun463


Joined: 16/08/2009
Posts: 105

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 08:49

dont understand the attack on the poster she has bred a pedigree dog and offered them to people that may want to own that breed. as long as was suggested you find the right owners then nothing wrong in that, yes there is bad dogs and bad owners in ALL most breeds.

not sure whats wrong with a British women being the breeder, this is a British breed

and yes i have some sort of involvment in this breed for over 25 years

would be a idea to get them registered in the South as then they are Microchipped and the last owners can be indentified and found should the dog go missing and found

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 09:03

I am familiar with these puppies and can confirm that the mother is a pure bred English Bull Terrier.

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 09:23

I used to walk past one every day taking the children to school , like patting a rock!!! lovely dogs - wish I could have one!

boerboel


Joined: 02/05/2009
Posts: 290

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 12:06

Hi Diana



Please could you tell me what price you are asking for the puppies



Many thanks



Larry

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 13:19

There's a phone number in the first post Larry, might be better to phone to find out.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
13/07/2011 23:27

I too will have puppies for sale when I breed my Doberman Bitch.

I believe that every bitch has the right to have one litter of puppies before being spayed. It makes her calmer and more loving (although she is totally loving already.)

She is now 18 months old and should be in season in November.

I have already vetted 3 homes for potential new owners and have 3 other people who have asked me to "save them a pup" when she eventually gives birth. My two Doberman(One male one female / brother and sister ) have the run of the garden, 60 metres by 25 metres and I would look for something similar to any prospective new owner. Plus preferably a knowledge of the breed (although I had none when I took them on at 3 days old!)

My two dogs will NOT be bred together. (The garden can be separated!)

Any spare puppies, over the three already allocated homes, will be sold for £300 each but only to pre-recorded owners who have registered an interest and have had their suitability tested.

e mail me

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 06:41

Does a female dog need to have a litter of puppies before being spayed?



Having a litter is more dangerous than spaying in the long run. Moreover, the longer a female goes unspayed, the greater chance of her developing other health problems. A female should be spayed before her first cycle ideally – though spaying at any age has more benefits than not spaying.



.......there are complications that can arise during pregnancy and delivery and even post-partum. These complications can be life threatening. A litter of puppies is stressing to her entire system. Spaying eliminates this.



Taken from link below:-



http://www.dogchatforum.com/dog_in_heat.htm



With the feral/abandoned/unwanted/rescue dog problem in TRNC I am astounded ANYONE would be breeding any dog in TRNC.

shaun463


Joined: 16/08/2009
Posts: 105

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 09:26

I do not believe a bitch has the right to have one litter as then there would be to many dogs in the world, I have had a pedigree bitch ( also a Male) in the TRNC for many years and have still not bred here ( have many times in the UK) but do believe if you want to bred the bitch and are correct in looking for owners then why not.

I do think that Mrsgarnet views that due the problem with rescue dogs in TRNC she would be 'astounded' is anyone bred here. There are many to many dogs in rescue in the UK, USA and the world and i agree there are to many and it is NOT the dogs fault. not everyone wants a street dog some people want a pedigree dog and they have that right as anyone has to go and take one home from a Rescue center. so i dont see why any one who owns a pedigree dog and takes the correct care can not breed if they want.

we all want or own different cars why dont we all have the cheapest, smallest and greenest cars as they all do the same job but no we want the car that suits us

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 09:42

I understand your sentiments MsGarnet, but there will always be a market for pedigree dogs. You also have to consider that not everyone wants a mixed breed. I prefer to see both parents and have always had pedigree dogs because they usually "do what it says on the tin" i.e. size, temprement, longevity etc. Having said that, my puppy (akbash) gets neutered next week.

swyflot


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 916

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 11:33

I believe that responsible dog breeders should have a list of approved and vetted purchasers before the puppies are due. Prior to buying my pedigree dogs in the UK, the breeder had us and our home and garden checked out before allowing us to buy one of her pups.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 22:05

If anyone is interested in purchasing ( Cost £300 per puppy) a pure Doberman puppy in the New Year, then please register your interest with me NOW. (They will all have had their puppy injections / vaccinations). and will be 8 weeks from birth, minimum.



e mail me and I will vet your premises for suitability and also the family it will be joining.



That is subject to availability (number of puppies) as three have already been allocated to suitable new owners.



First come is not necessarily first served as suitability is paramount !



Gerry

PhilUK


Joined: 31/03/2010
Posts: 236

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 01:37

In my opinion,if you call yourself a true animal lover,and not someone looking for a fashion accessory, you would or should take a stray in any day of the week.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 01:47

I know a new legisation comes in from Jan 2012 to get dogs back but it seems any thing with Terrier comes under what they call BSL Breed Specific Legisation. I have written to DEFRA but they claim 15 days to reply 3 weeks no reply. So if you take these beautiful dogs and wish to take back to uk be aware please x

Jkell


Joined: 14/07/2011
Posts: 160

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 03:18

Where is the rescue centre ?

PhilUK


Joined: 31/03/2010
Posts: 236

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 04:23

Following on from my last comment, I really cant see any positive reason to breed dogs on an island that is overrun with lovely affectionate homeless dogs.

unless of course you are purely interested in profit or personal vanity.

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 09:33

Jkell the KAR kennels are located on the mountain road past Çatalköy. Drive up the main coast road and instead of turning off towards the sea to Esentepe area - carry straight on. The kennels are located on the left hand side - quite a way up.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 23:01

PhilUK. As with anyone, you are entitled to your opinion and to view it on this forum.



Why should profit and personal vanity come into the equation unless you are going by your own standards?



What about the JOY my bitch will have, when she has her litter and trains and teaches them how to look after themselves, clean themselves, play with them, nurture them, and all the other wonderful things that motherhood brings !



My dogs are NOT fashion accessories, Phil, they are loving pets that I took on at three days old after their mother died. I fed them every 2 hours, night and day for nearly a month, placing hot water bottles in their basket to keep them warm as it was winter here. Who the hell are you to tell me to take in "strays" ?



My two never a MUM or DAD to show them how to do things. I was SO fortunate to adopt them and be their mum and dad. Now I wish to give my bitch the privilege of being a mum in her own right and your opinion, in my opinion is a load of crap !

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 00:19

Anthropomorphism of our pets starts with naming them. You can't know if a bitch WANTS to have a litter; one has to question your not accepting the veterinary assertion that bitches are NOT improved by having puppies. They may undergo temporary temperament changes, but once the puppies are gone, she'll be back to her old self. Nor is it good for her physically, in fact, you put her at risk of mammary cancer and pyometra. There is nothing wrong with spaying a bitch without her having a litter. You talk about the "Joy" your bitch will have, ludicrous, you will NEVER know if she is joyful - not least, the mother of your dogs died when they were three days old! how do you know she won't suffer the same fate? She has NO experience to pass on to her pups, not having been reared naturally herself. What do you know about her genetic provenance? Will you check the provenance of the stud? Do you know the strengths and weaknesses of Dobermans - one could go on and on, but you are deaf to it all

shaun463


Joined: 16/08/2009
Posts: 105

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 10:22

I agree with MsGarnet a bitch does not NEED to have a litter, and should only have one if looked after correctly and any puppies sold to responsible people which Birdman seems to be doing. Is it right THIS bitch should a litter, well that’s up to the owner? I don’t agree we should all own a street dog in TRNC as there are lots of strays here, there are the world over and yes that is sad and NOT the dogs fault. But i have the right to pick the breed i want, like i pick the price and type of clothes and car i wish to own.

MsGarnet questions whether birdman has the knowledge and experience of the Dobermann breed well i don’t know him and therefore cannot question if he has sufficient knowledge, so not sure why MsGarnet feels she has this know-how to question.

I would ask if I was going to have a litter of Dobermanns or dogs would SHE question if Ii had the knowledge of Dobermanns genetics plus and minus of the sire and dam and the weakness of any dogs or puppies and if YES, why does she

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 10:56

A responsible breeder will always check out the sire and dam before breeding. The trouble is over here a lot of dogs are bred for profit only - to the detriment of the breed. You know - someone round the corner has the same dog as you and its "oh lets breed them"! I do not know the people that are breeding the doberman or the lady with the bull terriers but it seems that they are genuine dog lovers and have not entered into this lightly.

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:17

Please note that English bull Terriers are NOT on the banned list (and never have been) according to DEFRA website! Its the pit bulls and the similar looking breeds that are banned. The bullet shaped head of the ENGLISH bull terrier is unique and cannot be mistaken!!



http://www.defra.gov.uk/publications/files/pb13573-dogs-law-you-leaflet-080515.pdf

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:32

lilli : they actually state that staffies are NOT banned:



http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/InYourHome/AnimalsAndPets/Dogs/DG_180098



Should put your mind at rest and I copied:



Staffordshire Bull Terriers



Staffordshire Bull Terriers are not listed in the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991. You are allowed to own this breed of dog.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:34

I have to disagree that you won't know if a bitch wants a littter. We have many year experience in a pedigree breed in the UK. None of our females were ever mated unwillingly. If she wasn't ready, old enough or just wasn't interested it didn't happen. From that i learnt she will only go for it when she is ready for mating. When she is happy to do it.

I don't belive that just because a female had no life experiences with her mum that she would make a bad mum. Bitch's that have been brought up with mum and litter mates can still walk away from their own litter.



As for checking pedigrees prior to mating, you can do your best but unless you are a genetics specialist there is always the chance of producing a puppy with breed faults.



Does Princess Anne not own a English Bull Terrier?

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:47

I do hope that these pups will not be overlooked because of all the comments. English bullies are amongst the most loving, child friendly breed you can get.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 22:26

I will take my vets advise more than any comments on this forum and my vet has asked me for one of the puppies when they are ready.

The Vet has loads of experience with Dobermans as they were owners of the breed for many years.

The breed are often known as "Velcro" dogs because they are so loyal and always wish to be by your side !

They make wonderful "House-Guard" pets. Mine live in the garden, free running, but also come into the house daily to snuggle up to me on the settee where I am allowed to pet them and bond with them. (they take it in turns for affection, getting a little jealous if one gets more than the other !!)

MsGarnet, for your information my dogs and myself TALK to each other. They TELL me and I understand what they want. Have you never experienced that ?



Gerry

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 23:29

Msg 30 - not Doberman genetics per se!!!!!!! sheeeeeeeesh - just that of the dam and sire of the puppy one is buying, I would ask their provenance and any known problems with either, whether one is told the truth or not, is another matter. Msg 34 - at issue is not whether she should be mated or not (though I believe in general, it shouldn't be before 2 yrs old) BUT as YOU point out:-



"I don't belive that just because a female had no life experiences with her mum that she would make a bad mum. Bitch's that have been brought up with mum and litter mates can still walk away from their own litter."



Therefore, as you say - a bitch can produce pups, then trample all over them, just to get away from the rug rats constantly whinging and whining for grub, attention, walkies, play etc: - after all, don't we all like a bit of rumpy pumpy? of course we do, doesn't mean we want children every time - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO way :o)

PhilUK


Joined: 31/03/2010
Posts: 236

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:02

Birdman,I wasn't having a go at you Per-se ,and didn't appreciate your invective.

All I was trying to say was that when there are little guys like this looking for a home-

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/851/006src.jpg/%5D%5BIMG%5D



Considering breeding more dogs seems a daft idea.



shaun463-I agree with you re your choice of pet,but I must say that comparing a sentient being with inanimate objects like cars and clothes doesn't really do it for me.



I think pet owners fall into two categories-

Both love and enjoy the companionship that a pet offers, but the first type want to own an animal and enjoy it for what it does for them, i.e. it fills a gap in their personality taking priority.

Secondly there are (In my opinion) true animal lovers that will take on a two legged donkey or a scabby stray dog or cat in order to make the poor animals life a better one.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 02:37

Botanica I thank you, im worried sick about them. I have had my first op and awaiting the big one I will have to cancel it as the person looking after my babies is finding it hard. I understand that It is a commitment, I will be back hopefully flights allowing next week. I have waited from news from Defrea to no avail, read Blades take on it and she knows all the aspects, not worried about bertie or valli but only mojo the staffi i brought from uk. God Botanica I miss them so much. I was often asked to mate my staffi but never in cyprus. He may have loved the experience but i knew the reason.x

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 02:50

birdman , will the puppys be docked / cropped ? i showed & bred these wonderful speciemens for years in my youth , love them to bits ,

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 04:18

Rowlo,

Not by me.

Mine are, but it is up to the new owners.



Gerry