Jaguar stolen by North Cyprus Customs and the Goverment

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 16:55

Hi people, For anybody that may have followed the Jaguar story in Cyprus Today (twice) or the Yeniduzen (three times) newspapers and on Turkish TV and Radio this is what is happening now.

For those who are not aware of what happened this is an abridged version: I brought my Jaguar over from UK intending to use it for a year and send it back. It was here for less than 1 month, we were on holiday in Cuba when Customs came and took the car from outside my house. On my return I went to Customs who demanded 11000 STG I told them the car was too old to import and they must give it back as it was a legal car they laughed and told me to go away.I went to my Lawyer??? who told me not to worry he would get it back, he actually did NOTHING (I am sure you all know this firm near the courts and had a similar experience with them, useless) The Prime Minister began using it as his official car, RHA plates,Yenduzen ran the story The Government put same plates as a Merc an still using it (A RINGER)

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 17:20

Barry have you consulted with our resident legal eagle (Ismet) - This might be right up his street.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 19:36

Not even a ringer or a clone.



Just a plated up car.



Amazing.



Ive no other words.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 19:54

Thieves and Vagabonds, totally unreal.

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 20:20

Our friend imported her very rare Glass top Merc approx 5 years ago, she never saw it again.

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 20:21

Thanks for replies, how do I get in touch with Ismet?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 20:23

I'll let him know.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 20:46

On a happier note, having owned many Jaguars in the past.

What happens when I get a girl in my car?

I get a slag in the Jag!



Richard

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 20:56

good of Keith to help you out Richard, but that's the sort'a guy he is. Keep him away from your red wine though. There is a limit to "thanks"

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 20:59

Message 9 - as opposed to "A shag in the Jag" Richard?



Jean

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 21:07

Msg 11

Jeannie

I'm too old to exchange bodily fluids, no matter where, so a slag in anyone's Jag will do!!!!!!!!!



Richard

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
14/07/2011 23:22

Hi Jagman,

Sorry to hear about your story. I don't know the formalities about car imports. The starting point should be an investigation beginning with customs, find out their legal position and take it from there. For this I can recommend you a youngish advocate from Famagusta who is very good at such investigations and I am sure he will do everything possible if there is anything to do. I presume that you imported the car legally into TRNC in the first place. You may contact Özgur Dayioğlu, 0533 864 1080. His English is limited but good enough to follow you face to face.

ismet

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 01:58

Ismet

I can see that this young gent becoming a very busy boy with your recommendation! Lets hope he stays on the ball and not become overworked and complacent similar to many other Advocates that have been known to do so, then do sod all apart from counting the cash!



Richard

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 02:24

Un believeable

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 05:46

mess 1 - you moved to a country where they stole the land at gun point..



you are aware of the "tin pot" legal system....



And you winge when they nick your car...

Jefferson


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 360

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 09:01

A typically helpful comment NN. I know I won"t see You on the new board. You are one of the reasons I'll be there. Can't wait.

cassius


Joined: 20/03/2009
Posts: 110

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 09:41

Msg 16 Negative (Definitely) Nick (ed)(Should be)



mess 1 - you moved to a country where they stole the land at gun point..



"Who stole what from whom." Please look up and read the history (That is the unabridged version, not the Greek one).

That is, go back to 1960 (Independance time). Then you can come back and appologies.



Sorry, to all the helpfull people for going off thread

Cassius

cassius


Joined: 20/03/2009
Posts: 110

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 09:41

Msg 16 Negative (Definitely) Nick (ed)(Should be)



mess 1 - you moved to a country where they stole the land at gun point..



"Who stole what from whom." Please look up and read the history (That is the unabridged version, not the Greek one).

That is, go back to 1960 (Independance time). Then you can come back and appologies.



Sorry, to all the helpfull people for going off thread

Cassius

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 09:48

msg 3;

Not that 2 wrongs make 1 wright,but is it ok for someone(a foreigner) to bring a car to TRNC,and drive it for the past 2 years without actualy,legaly importing it?



Even I couldn't do that, even though half the custom officers in Nicosia I went to school,army,played football,etc with.



When one expects decency,one must be decent oneself.



I'll await replies.

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 10:28

Would not reporting it as stolen to the police and claiming off the insurance - which you must have had to travel to here and return within the year - have been the simple thing to do? That would have left a non-TRNC insurance company with the job of dealing with the theft of the vehicle by the local police force/customs officials and allowed you to get on with life.



It is a bad situation to be in but the insurance company must have many more resources than yourself - unless you are dead rich and lucky - so why not let the big boys fight it out between them?

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 10:36

If you paid the duties then this wouldnt have happened. It may be very hard to get paper work done in cyprus, alongside legal work, but they could not blindly "steal" a vehicle without good cause - in this case the vehilce's customs duties not being paid. Perhaps go there with a Turkish cypriot who could translate? Language barrier could have been a problem?..........The fact that the prime ministrer is supposedly using your car doesnt matter. If the duties have not been paid and the number of days have within which the vehicle can be stored has been exceeded, they can do what ever they want with it. Who uses it is of no relevance.

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 10:37

The reason your vehicle was seized by the authorities was that the vehicle must leave the island if you do too. Its not the fact that the vehicle was here for a certian number of days. Its the fact that YOU left the island and left the vehicle here. Very normal.

araneae


Joined: 24/06/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 10:40

the vehicle must leave the island if you do too TOSH



they can do what ever they want with it. Who uses it is of no relevance. < RUBBISH

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 10:50

Hi elko2. Thanks for the info. Of course the Jag was imported legally and was here only 3 weeks. It was a top of the range 3-0 sport auto (they dont come any better) I think someone saw and wanted it, of course if I had not been in Cuba they could not have taken it. I think half the problem was that they misread the reg mark which was my private plate in UK FIG 6300, the girl in the insurance office wrote FIG 630 giving it the appearance of a Greek reg. The same probably happened when I went to pay the duty (agreed with customs) the woman there had a quick look at the documents and assumed it was a Greek car and started screaming that it would NEVER be imported and NOBODY would EVER use it on this Island, well that did'nt turn out to be true. Another thing that concerns me is the fact that I still have BOTH sets of keys. They could only have got this car running in the SOUTH, new ECU new alarm/immobilisor new locks a conservative est of price 3000 STG. Full Story by e/mail no problem

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 11:07

thanks for comments, I would like to say to the T/Cypriots who have made observations that you must get up to date with the laws (such as they are) of your own country, your obsrevations are totally inaccurate.

To WADDO I did try and report the car stolen my insurance company said North Cyprus "where is that" they did not want to know, To all the people talking about unpaid duty obviously they have never brought a car here, no duty is payable for 1 year and then you pay or remove the car, not after 3 weeks for god's sake. anybody interested to read EXACTLY what happened I will e/mail the full story. no more negative comments please

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 11:15

message 20 stated:



"Even I couldn't do that, even though half the custom officers in Nicosia I went to school,army,played football,etc with"



A very telling statement.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 12:51

jagman;



>>no duty is payable for 1 year and then you pay or remove the car<<



"Any person(inc TCs) that had spent less then 360 days on the island in the past 2 years is classed as a visitor."



hence the reason for ins-outs requirements.



Do you fit in above?If you do,you have every right to take the matters further.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 12:51

msg 27;

Typical of a Brit taking it the 'suited' way.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 13:02

Msg 1

E-mail sent.



Richard

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 13:05

Just set fire to it and claim the money in the UK that'll sicken the thieving sods

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 18:49

Yorg this is the car I told you about last year rememberyou knew who was using it after the prime minister

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 18:55

Jagman, you appear to have done nothing wrong, so sue the police, government and prime minister. They have all done something totally illegal lets' see if the government follow legal actions correctly.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 19:17

Message 24.



Could they not get a spare set of keys made by jaguar in the south from the chassis number,im sure ive read somewhere that if you can show proof of ownership and not just chassis number you can get keys made and even if you pop a lock out i believe it is also possible to get a key cut from the number on the lock once you have taken it out of the door.

You can buy and use a black master key without it being the flip key variety but you wont have a remote and you have to have 2 keys to program and yes the car has to be at the dealer. You cant program without the car cause it programs through the instrument pack

you best choice would be to buy a flip master key and remote, and a black non flip master key then have them all programmed at once. There should never be a seperate charge for the remote. And most key programming is 1 hour labor charge denpending on the dealers labor rate.

JUST A THOUGHT

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 19:21

xtype, you will need to get your hands on a key fob and a blank key (yes, they are 2 different parts). If you do some looking on E-bay, you can normally find both pieces for fairly cheap. Granted, normally the keyfobs are used, so, keep that in mind when looking at the prices. Your other option is to talk with a dealership about getting a keyfob (this will be brand new of course and about £200 .



Now, once you have the keyfob, you can call a locksmith and they will be able to cut you a new key and be able to access the computer to program the new key too. Before getting the guy all the way out to your car, specifically ask if they can cut Jaguar keys. They don't use your normal key cutting machine. So, not all locksmiths may have this ability. Plan on spending about £90 to get the new key cut and programmed for the car.

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Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 20:35

message 23



" sue the police, government and prime minister"



Just how successful do you think this action would be? Suing the people that have total responsibility for the running of the TRNC and implementing the laws. The ones involved in the theft in the first place.



Somehow I don't think this will work. Lets hope an insurance company will deal with this.

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 20:41

sounds like a 1500 quid car with a 150 quid number plate, so whats the big deal ?



let it go and enjoy your ife in the trnc.





barry

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 21:49

cavalryman;

I know,but need alot more info plus the person himself to have a go about it.



flamefabs;

Not everything in life is about money.Sometimes in life you have to fight for what you beleive is right.However,I have been fooled on some cases by Brits,hence tyhe reason I'm cautious now.Particularly from 10 bob millioners.

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 06:39

mess 37 - you mean "thousand pound millionaires " ?





Barry

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 07:32

the place is full of people "biggig" it up........

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 11:04

Thanks for the info regarding keys but I have 2 sets of keys but no car that fits them !!! Jaguar would not issue keys for this car without my consent, I reported it stolen to them. There is a principle involved here it's about right and wrong and in this matter I have done absolutely nothing wrong. I THINK NEGATIVENIKS name really fits. I also agree that there are 10 bob millionairs here probably got all the money from land sales, land that was a gift. I hope Turkey do take over maybe that will stop the corruption MAYBE !!!!!!!!

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 11:13

i was going to smash it up with a lump hammer (this was when I knew where it was) I was told that I could go goal for criminal damage, anyway the car is once again on the missing list. Want to see the full story? e/mail me I will send

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 15:12

Are you saying the car was not insured at the time ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 15:50

jagman;

While you are having a go at the system here,you still haven't mentioned anything about your status here.(ie.your ins-outs)

by the way

10 bob millioners=Brits here that came over with max £50.000 in their pockets,expecting to live off it for the rest of their lives.



Turkey will NEVER take over MY island.



and,corruption will only stop when recognition is in force.



above all.......................YOUR STATUS PLEASE!

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 15:58

This is what happens to cars if you don't follow EXACTLY all the rules.

In UK now your car is seized and crushed in similar circumstances. There has been too many cheats.

Geoff

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 17:19

Jagman, sorry for delay in reply. Insurance - a joke I am sorry to say - I rather thought that the insurance company would come up with that reply but then how did the manage to sell insurance cover for the entire trip if they did not agree to the destination/s? No need of an answer it will be the same - a joke!



Sorry for your troubles and hope you can get your motor back one day - if the only place the people who stole your car can get the spares then would it be possible to track who actually purchased them? There can not be many of that model on the whole Island and even fewer that would require that amount of replacement parts in one purchase? Just a thought.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 18:51

TURKEY will take over YOUR island and the sooner the better.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 06:21

msg 46;

Turkey HAD taken over my island in 1974,wake up.The fight is for a release.



You sound like another Brit who had bought because it was cheap and now worried in case of re-unification!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 09:03

Msg 47 ,do you think a solution will bugger

the foreigners who bought g/c land ?

knowingly

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 10:23

Hi Yorguzlu, you sound a very bitter person, I would like to know why. I am not worried about anything, I have Turkish land, I pay all my taxes and do everything I am supposed to do. Your veiws please on this question: Is'nt it a fact that without British money and Turkish labour coming in North Cyprus would be nowhere. 2. T/Cypriots go to England and receive Education and everything else that goes with it, you have rights, are you aware that British people here have no rights we are second class citizens

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 10:36

jagman



We are not citizens, not of any class and have no rights under the constitution. Surely before you came here you made yourself aware of the situation. If you did then you have nothing to complain about. If you didn't then more fool you.



Some time ago someone posted the constitution in English on here. There was a long section on the rights of people detained by the police, and very comforting it was. Unfortunately the last paragraph pointed out that none of the rights extended to foreigners.



There are 500,000 to 600,000 Turks and Turkish Cypriots and maybe 8,000 or so permanent British. Do you really think we are of any consequence. Do the maths.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 10:44

yorg,



you mention reunification...



are you talking about a return to the 1960-style constitution,

or do you mean a sort of halfway house based more or less on changes since?



the talking exercise that has been going on now for some years,

seems to revolve around the gc side agreeing to some sort of compromise



...no sign of that as yet but overall it could be good news for foreign owners,

since in the main, their properties would increase in value



philbailey,



colourfully put!



again, I have to comment that it is pretty meaningless to use the phrase "solution"

without explaining exactly what it would be



besides in the middle east generally and cyprus in particular, one persons solution

tends to be another person's problem

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 11:18

Msg 47, you really are a knucklehead aren't you, you get almost everything wrong and you just don't learn.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 11:20

I am now expecting to be banned for daring to criticise the poster yorg as he is a tc and that is against the rules , he probably demands that us brits that don't suck up to him are banned.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 11:22

Just for the record YORG, TURKEY saved your sorry asses, there would not be a TC left if they hadn't saved you and now you are the most ungrateful spoilt child, Turkey should annexe the place and be done with it.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 11:29

Msg 47



had not "Turkey takenk over my Island" in 1974 do you seriously think that you would be there now? Why did you leave and go to that place you always criticise and appear to dislike its people?

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 11:29

I feel I am being dragged off track by people that cannot or will not see the points that I am trying to make. The only point I am trying to make is this: anywhere in the world there is a code of right and wrong, what Customs and the Government have done to me is totally wrong and unlawful if this makes me sound like a moaning Brit then so be it. Can we now get back to the original post. I don't think that this could happen even in Cuba. It maybe time to see what the English press make of it all.

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 11:45

To Ivebinad What a cracking post, absolutely true and straight to the point the whole point of Turkeys intervention was to save some T/Cs for the future without them there would have been none left and Makarios would have apologised to the world once again. (notice I did not use the word invasion)

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 11:56

how much was the jag worth ? - 1500 quid ?



seems a lot of fuss about nothing to me.





Barry

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 11:58

jagman



Turkey did not come here to save the Turkish Cypriots.By the time the Turks landed Makarios was gone, flown out by the British to save him from the Greek Coup, and the fifth attempt on his life staged by the Greeks. (makarious later spoke at the United Nations saying that the Turkish invasion was legal and proper.) At the cabinet meeting, that night, in Turkey when the Turkish Military told the government that they were already on their way to cyprus the Turkish Cypriots did not get a mention. The sole concern of the Turkish military was thet they had information from Greece that the Greek air force was already refueling bombers to move them the next day to Cypriot airbases. The Turkish military were not prepared to have Greek bombers based that close to them. That was it.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 12:15

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/history/republic/makarios-speech.html

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 12:26

To flamefabs. You are 1 of those that seems detemined to drag me off the point, Jag in UK may be worth that now did you even bother to read the point that this was 3 years ago? no you have missed the point this is about right and wrong so any amount of money is inconsequential. You have made this identical point before I chose to ignore it last time, if you have nothing sensible to say please say nothing at all !!!!!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 12:42

jagman;

I have nothing against you,all I've asked from you is your statues in TRNC.Still waiting!Hence the reason I replied to flamefabs post,stating that this is about right and wrong,not what it might be worth.

As for ME,living in a place called England half my life,you should perhaps look for the reason within you!



Cyprus issue.......................lets not go somewhere you know nothing about.(that comment is for all)

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 13:17

Post removed , as per rule 3........ Simbas

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 13:20

Simbas why dont you remove Yorg's post, he is allowed to insult the UK and her people but we are given no right to redress, sums up what I said, One rule for the locals and ban every other person who dares to stand up to them.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 13:20

Msg 63 , edited as per rule 3

Simbas

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 13:38

yorgozlu



No one needs your permission to discuss whater we wish. So, let's not go there.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 13:42

Well said John W

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 13:44

Jagman,



you are indeed correct this issue is about the rights and wrongs of this action. It is indeed the principle rather than the monetary value. You will always get people, that rather than deal with the facts, divert the blame on to others. Some see the TRNC as paradise and this sort of thing bursts their bubble so is hard to tolerate. It's like a mental defense mechanism don't want to admit that they are surrounded by Government corruption so the blame must lie elsewhere. Most people can see the blatant racism being displayed by certain posters and it reflects very badly on them. As does the flimsy excuses being made for the outrageous police and Government behaviour.



It is what it is, corruption and fraud. It reflects very badly on the TRNC and those attempting to excuse this behaviour are fast becoming part of the problem. It is either right or wrong........simple as.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 14:35

Bradus the problem is, for me at least, that I do not know what the rules are or if they were breach or not in this case. Clearly jagman believes that no rules were broken and that the siezure of his car was illegal and nothing more than fraud, but I do not know this is the case. It might be. Then again I can see that it is possible that if you bring a car in without registering it localy for the first year, that right to do so could well be linked to you actualy being here in the country during that time and that if you leave in that period, the right to have the car for a year without having to register it localy no longer applies. Like I say I do not know. It might be a case of direct fraud but from what I have read here, and no more, I think it might also be the case of it was siezed under a 'technicality'. Not nice, not fair even possibly but not fraud either, if that is the case.

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 14:56

jagman - your words "3-0 sport auto (they dont come any better)"



My words - stop trying to big it up - a 3 litre jag ain't worth a tap, gou've even tried to hide he age with a ten bob mikky irish plate.



you are what "thousand pound milionnaire" is all about - bet you've got a fake Rollex too.







Barry

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 14:58

mess 62 - more enemies worzel ?



quite a "chip" on your shoulder for a kebab shop worker from a dodgy part of london............





do us all a favour and move back - PLEASE..

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 15:04

JohnW;

'YOU' all need my/and all other Cypriots permission to discuss whatever,where it concerns Cyprus,my home/motherland,just like it would in UK if a none-english was to discuss England with 100% negativity.But,that is not the case here.Jagman's car has been conviscated and no one yet knows the actual reason yet.Just like another car(peogeot 405 if I remember correctly) being used by Alsancak Belediye after it was convisgated.He too was shouting about,saying he wanted his car to be used by 'x' charity,when it is no longer his.



I have met far too many trying to be clever,wanting EU rules when in actual fact,they do not live in EU.

I took someone (a Brit) who had bussiness here to sort out residency for his girlfriend last year.It turned out he didn't have a legal bussiness!Yet,last monday,took someone geniune who was in arrears with a fine of 3600tl,walked out with 6 months back dated residency and no longer a fine to pay.

I let you work out the difference.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 15:05

Erolz, I have no problem with the car being seized if he did not follow the law of the TRNC. Cars in the UK are seized all the time for all sorts of reasons (no tax, no insurance, no license etc) Owners then have to pay a huge fee for release or in some cases the car is crushed.



What I find unacceptable is that in this case the car ends up now being owned by the Government or an official of the Government. Does this system not strike you as being totally open to abuse and the Government benefiting from their citizens misery? Wonder if the same would have happened had it been a Robin Reliant?



The powers that be do not seem to think that it is wrong to confiscate illegal goods and use them for their own benefit. Surely this behaviour is unacceptable?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 15:06

re msg 70



flamefabs



FIG 6300 is a N.Ireland number plate... so it's BRITISH ..I appreciate your handle is probably a clue to the nature of your posts... :(





Jagman,



Sorry to hear about your problems.. I hope you get this resolved..



BTW.

Greek number plates look nothing like RoC ones.. you did mean RoC one's right ? ..I keep hinting to memers that referring to GCs as 'Greeks' is not accurate... no more than calling Yorg a Turk... !









How the 'eck a thread about a member's car being seized and then used got around to CY politics eludes me

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 15:07

On a similar vein a friend had his car seized as they said it was too old to register (He'd had it for 3 years here and feels he got his monies worth), Its been on RHA plates for 3 years now!!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 15:15

Bradus if the car went from being siezed to being owned by the government or an indivdual without any 'due process' for that transfer, then yes I agree that such a practice is open to abuse and not acceptable. What I do not know is if there was some 'due process' in the transfer in this case or not. I am vaguely aware that in the past goods siezed at customs for importing irregularites have been auctioned off for example. This to me is a valid due process for dealing with such government siezed goods. I just do not know what happened in this case. Its posible it was just 'taken' without any due process but is it also possible is it not that the offical concerned or his department 'bought' the siezed vehical via some legislated mechanism for such ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 15:24

erolz;

If a car or any other vehicle that has been siezed by government,it'll be auctioned off.Wrong or wright is another thing.

I'm no angel,I've learnt all this through my own 'mistakes'.They'd have siezed my bike as well if it wasn't for the fact that I have friends working there.I literally had to hide my bike for nearly 2 years,until an amnesty.Went and paid the fine,duties and now I have my bike at home.



The main issue I find here is dishonesty or not being open about the case.Bragging about what's happened to ones vehicle afterwards is too simple.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:07

yorgozlu



You are mistaken. I do not need your permission.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:11

yorgozlu



And, to the point, were you to be in England or here for that matter and wish to discuss matters relating to England fell free. You do not need mine or anyone else's permission.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:21

I WILL retaliate to anyone not Cypriot critisising my homeland.



Anyone wishes to know my whereabouts,see my profile.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:23

Is that a threat?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:27

there is no threat in my comments,do you feel threatened?

muadib


Joined: 19/11/2010
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:41

Surely message 80 is threatening,is this allowed on this joke board?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:46

Message 80. How will you retaliate?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:55

A reminder of Rule 3.





3. Be Polite

We take the "Be Polite" rule very seriously. We do not tolerate any rudeness. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully ""without insult and personal attack"". Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive may be banned without warning.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:22

No1, if I ever needed proof that this board is onesided then you certainly have provided it, jesus christ, the knucklehead yorg is threatening John W and you say:



How will you retaliate?



You have just lost all credibility with me. I am thinking maybe you are/were a social worker. your remark has left me reeling with fury.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:23

For sure any brit would have had an instant ban for threatening someone, turn the other cheek eh!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:35

ivebinad in my personal opinion for what it is worth, you simply see what you want to see. The moderation here is inconsistent a lot of the time I would agree, but I do not see any intentful bias based on race, or ethnic labels. I could easily show where 'brits' have have said things that could as easily be interpreted as 'threats' similar to those in this tread who have not been banned instantly but there would be little ponit in showing such examples to you I suspect.

diane62


Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:50

Just a thought , agree with veiws expressed, simbas seems to have illustrated her 'impatiallity' and unsuitability/ credability to be a moderator. York , enough said.

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:55

Msge 60 - Nice bit of copy, well documented and totally ignored by the whole world.



Msge 59 - Cypriot airbases? Care to name one that would actually take even a medium range bomber? Please don't state Akrotiri or Kingsfield as the protection of both those was vested in the Tornado Sqn's based here at the time and they would not let anyone land - no matter who distant their relations to HRH Prince Phillip were!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:03

Hang on a minute , i am reading Yorg's posts " retaliate " to return like for like . Because no acts of violence have been made against him , i must assume he means verbally

Simbas

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:36

The Simbas I am sorry to say you are not very bright, everyone with an ounce of common sense knows he is threatening, you don't want to see the obvious.

squarefour


Joined: 01/03/2010
Posts: 21

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:42

why dont all the silly people go back to nursery - Yorg is a bloke who seems prepared to help people if they are genuine and not mickey takers so why wind him up and give us genuine Brits a bad name. - half the sad people who post utter drivel on here have not learnt to be civil and play nicely in some one elses back yard. The rules are not our rules so be prepared to get a shock or two and stop bleating about it open your eyes -ITS NOT THAT DIFFERENT IN THE UK at times. If the Jag has been confiscated illegally tell Yorg the real facts and not half a story if its genuine perhaps you may find he is an ally not an enemy and may help with a way forward .

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:42

Ivebinad. Get a grip. Yorgsaid he would retaliate. That could be by a number of ways. I've asked him how he intends to retaliate and we'll wait for his response.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:46

Ivebinad. Message 92. I suggest you apologise to Simbas.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:03

No1 why or I will receive another ban? I will not apologise, read Yorg message again, he uses caps and that is a general know on the internet for agression!!!!

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:08

WOW



Its kicking off in here big guns.



This is not a place for ladies.



Im outta here Guys.



Ding Ding.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:08

The poor chap only wants his oily ragg back !

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:14

amanda I dont understand cockney slang, what does that mean?

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:20

Msg 96,....are you saying you have already had a ban ?



You have only been here 5 minutes ??

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:22

No he hasn't Turtle

Simbas

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:24

Yes I have Simbas, I had a ban for a month, why are you saying I didn't, it must have been either you or No1 that banned me.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:27

But you've only been a member for just over a month ?

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:30

Turtle, I dared to criticise a much loved tc on here and that goes against the rules, he can be as rude to me as he likes but I got a ban for retaliating. Good innit lol.

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:31

When I say 'much loved' I mean by the mods.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:32

Did you retaliate in the same way ?

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:33

and here's me thinking it was something to do with the " @live.co.uk" in your email address

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:53

Ivebinad , It would have said who banned you on your profile page

Simbas

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:08

WHOAH people. I have been out to Ambience all afternoon and have just got back to this, I think we should all calm down. I have quickly looked through the latest and apart from a few I just consider 'junk mail' I will respond in the morning with more facts about what really happened I am sure you will find it quite unbelievable but they will be provable facts, until then let us stop fighting with each other

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 22:50

jagman;

Your statues in TRNC will revael all.That means your ins-outs at the time.Easy to calculate if you have one available.



to all;

some of you have had the opportunuty to meet me,but you should all know by now regarding my personnality.

I say what I mean and mean what I say.In return I expect honesty.Nothing more,nothing less.I go out my way to help in any way I can,give me the facts and you'll get facts in return.In the meantime,let the crybabies be a crybaby.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:02

Yorg. For clarification, your message 80 - how do you intend to retaliate? If its verbal then that's fine, if you are physically threatening people then that's a different case.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:04

Yog,



do you mean status?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:04

Msg 111, that should be in the irony thread



do you expect a real answer



And Yorg is one of the only honest people on here



And a T/C

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:08

Bill,1-how can one be "physically threatening" another,without one even showing a face here?

2-I don't see a threat in my comments.



anyone that feels that way;

remzi ozipek sokak,no;16,lapta (up by hos-bes)

05338739181(posted it enough times here)



awaiting for personnal calls.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:09

Bradus;

Yes

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:14

Salahi, is not a 'threatening' character and genuinely helps people where & when he can. He invited me to his home a year or so ago to meet all his family and was royally entertained with courtesy and politeness. He may look the part of a thug but I can assure he's not, so lets all this nonsense about him stop otherwise my bazooka is coming out of retirement!



Richard

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:23

lets face it Richard,

I will not bark when I'm about to bite.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:32

Message 113. my comments were made to Yorg - there's no need for you to get involved.



Yorg. Thanks for your response.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:34

msg 118, practice what you preach



via e-mail

when you post on an open forum expect a reply

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:36

Message 113



I shall have you know,i am also very honest.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:38

you are welcome Bill.But,I can't help but notice,why just pick on msg 113,when 116 is also defending me?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:38

Msg120, must be that no chorline habit

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:42

Or the habit i wear



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOqGepy-EU0&feature=related

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:44

Msg 123 , back soon lol

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:46

Message 119. You never got that email from me.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:49

No 125 , what I meant was the mods always say

if you have a problem e-mail off board

it was tongue in cheek





And I thought you were the funny mod?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:52

Salahi

Before we met, do you remember the jokes we had on C44 after your car/bike accident which left you with a broken leg? Those were the days of happy banter, free worthy advice and good entertainment!!!!!!



Richard

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:54

Message 126.



"and I thought you were the funny mod?". Not today unfortunately.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:03

Msg 128

Something odd going on, maybe from this end but e-mails to yourself are playing up.



Richard

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:05

Richard,

Yes I do.But sadly these days some/most want/try to label TRNC for eveything when in actual fact most is their own doings,and when someone (I) reminds them of their place they go crybaby and try to provoke the subject to being threatened.



Kitchens are bound to be hot places,if you don't like it don't go in or if in ,get out.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:07

Yorg the truth hurts them



do not give up

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 08:17

yorgozlu



I've just read through this thread and it seems that people have lost track of what prompted your "threat."



You said in message 72:



"'YOU' all need my/and all other Cypriots permission to discuss whatever,where it concerns Cyprus,my home/motherland,...."



JohnW then pointed out that no one needed your need your permission any more than your would need permission from an English person to discuss or criticise English matters. In response you issued a "threat."



This is a public bulletin board. You are entitled to an opinion just like anyone else but you have no special priviliges for being a Cypriot.. Strangely it has escaped your notice that it is Cyprus44, a bulletin board in English presumably for the benefit of Izzet's English market. So, if you don't like to hear the "English" point of view and attitude you should buzz off to a Cypriot board.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 08:40

msg 132;

You conviniently missed out the 'negativity' bit,and again conviniently 'saw' a threat' in my comments.

When it comes to 'you' critisisng my home/motherland with all negativity while claiming how lovely the weater and all that is in my homeland,expect a retailation from me and other Cypriots like me.



Remember,'you' thought me to behave this way in UK............what's good for goose...............





Jagman;

Would you please post your status.(not by e-mail please as my mail acc is blocked at the moment and trying to unblock it,no succsess so far,then again I'm not very good with these gadgets)

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 08:52

mess 133 - oy who you calling negative ?

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 09:23

message 133, can i have 2 kebabs please, one with no chilli sauce.





barry

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 09:28

I bet when jagman posted on here he thought he could get some help apart from yorg and erol it seems to have been taken over by the usual suspects thet delight in other peoples misfortune.As for bigging it up you assume that (a0 he did not buy the car new (b) he is not northern irish or if he bought it secondhand as a lot of us do it was not on the car when he bought it.Also if i remember rightly was this not the car that was in the "kibris " that the GOVT were using on DODGY PLATES ie the same ones as on a mercedes.And surely you are not accusing the prime minister and the foreign minister who were using the car "bigging it up".As i am led to believe also in the paper it did not go to auction so as Yorg said something dodgy happened.Hopefully jagman will take up Yorgs offer of help and contact him now his number is on the board and the morons will find another post to feed their little brains on.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 09:30

I thought this thread was about an oily rag?

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 10:20

All but 91 were tells you something.

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 13:42

He left the country without taking his car with him - that is against import laws - end of. simple as that.

ronnie1940


Joined: 13/10/2008
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 14:08

I have just read this thread all through and it seems to me that Yorg wanted to ascertain Jagmans status (ins and outs) so that he could help him to sort out the problem, the status is important I believe to check if Jagman has broken any residency type rules, by leaving the country. Jagman doesn't seem to think he was being offered help and didn't follow it up, maybe his loss. Am I right I don't know.

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 16:37

why has everybody gone off at a tangent, petty arguments and squabbles between yourselves which makes me think that I should not have bothered in the first place. Nobody now is bothered about what customs and the government did or did'nt do,Customs admitted to me that they had made a big mistake (in front of a turkish speaking witness) but would not elaborate. As for taking your car with you when you leave the country, this is nonsence, I went to Cuba for 3 weeks holiday, maybe if Fidel Castro had known I wanted to bring my Jag he would have encouraged me to do so so he could get his hands on it (I don't think so) Drive up to Ercan airport there are hundreds of Turkish registered cars parked by the roadside while owners go back to Turkey for 3 months I suppose this is okay is it?

CAVALRYMAN thanks for trying to bring some sense to this chaos. Google Yeniduzen type in Jaguar and you will get 3 seperate front pages you will have your eyes opened about what happened

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 16:44

jagman;

Papers don't always print facts.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 16:49

http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=26762

In traffic 'LA 492' one-plate Mercedes, Jaguar brand and the other two, then the presence of the vehicle, both 'Foreign Minister Hussein appeared to be the use of Özgürgün'ün.



Yasakken the same plate to carry two separate vehicle, the traffic was not enough to walk the same plate as the two vehicles, one of the tools in the Barry Davies, a British citizen residing in Cyprus by the government, "interception" turned out to be put forward by marque tool.







TWO VEHICLES, ONE PLATE!



According to the law the same plate with two separate vehicle taşıyamamasına, although state-owned Mercedes brand of a vehicle, 'LA 492' Foreign Minister Hussein Özgürgün'ün plate used by the driver and odacısı are brought forward.



Except in special circumstances 'RHA' license plates of vehicles should be used in duty hours, such that the Mercedes brand vehicles for çekmemesi 'LA 492' plate was inserted between the information obt

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 16:51

obtained.







JAGUAR ÖZGÜRGÜN'DE!



Barry Davies, a British citizen residing in Cyprus by the government, "stolen" vehicle marque claimed, was the use of the Foreign Minister Hussein Özgürgün'ün.



Taxes on the grounds that some of the problems at a time when Cuba itself, the hand tool are taken illegally, claiming Davies, tool 'by the Prime Minister' told to use.



Jaguarı'nın Davies, 'LA 495' plate by the use of Foreign Affairs Hussein appeared Ozgurgun. Continuous stated that the house of Hussein Özgürgün'ün marque vehicle, especially on weekends is used by itself as dedicated to the personality of Özgürgün'ün Huseyin said.





jagman;

As wrong as it may be/look,above means nothing regarding your status.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 16:53

blimey,thats google translate for you .......

doddies


Joined: 16/02/2009
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 16:54

canyavuz, msg 139.

Must be a new law.....i imported a car in 2003. As has been stated no duty payable until the owner has been in NC for 360 days. I regularly went back and forth to UK and paid the duty after the said time.(a print out of ins and outs of NC is kept at Lefkosa Police Station)

Can you imagine all the car import dealers taking their vehicles with them when leaving NC?....end of.

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 19:43

There is a difference between import dealers and someone importing their own car privately.

You cant compare the two.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 19:53

doddies;

Not much has changed,providing ones vehicle on the island has a permit,which comes with valid (ie) uk road tax,fits into age crateria and persons ins-outs.



Did your car have valid permit in TRNC,everytime you left the island?Before you paid the import duties?

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 20:49

yorg would that be a bit like your motorbike which you hid away for 2 years?

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 21:45

Msg 146 Hi doddies well thanks for that. This is exactly what I have been trying to get over for days now, I was never asked to pay any fine whatsoever, why? because no offence had been comitted that's why. Customs demanded 11000STG import duty when I first went to see them. this must seem a lot even to FLAMEFABS whose inane comments are designed to rile anybody

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 21:49

yorg msg 148. the car was here for 3 weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 23:17

jagman;

Why didn't you pay the asked amount to import your vehicle properly?I too paid the sum of £11,500 for my car when arrived back,even though I was told that I(TC) was allowed one off tax free vehicle import.

As for my bike.............don't worry about that.I have my bike at home.Where is your car?





ps.I do know why your car was siezed.Be nice to hear the truth from you.Thats all.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 23:22

Yorg, accusing someone of lying is aginst the rules, threatening to beat someone with your tool is against the rules, insulting other posters is against the rules.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 01:11

Remember all those warnings that appear when you enter a competition? Not open to employees. When Harrods has its Christmas sale, it is made clear that the employees cannot pre-buy the sales goods or queue for the sales goods on boxing Day. As a nurse I cannot take personal gifts of any kind. Have you ever seen the footage of all the seized booze being destroyed by customs? It makes you cringe! However these rules are set to prevent fraudulent behaviour, discrimination and also to uphold the good reputation of the businesses concerned.



Driving around in a confiscated car is plain stupidity on the part of the Government. But when have they ever cared about what it looks like or their reputation?

doddies


Joined: 16/02/2009
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 09:55

yorg, msg 148

Yes had valid UK car tax, MOT. NC insurance. renewed NC car tax (when UK one expired) in Lefkosa. Second time of renewal was told that Duty was now payable as i had been in NC for 360 days. No fines, just paid £2000 duty.

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 12:32

Thanks once again Doddies, you are illustrating EXACTLY how the system worked at that time. I was NEVER given the opportunity to use it and ship it out after 360 days. Nor was I given the chance to ship it out once they had it they had it !!!!! Keep the accurate comments coming PLEASE !!!! these are from someone who knows not guessing.

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 12:37

msg 152 hi yorg I think that maybe you have missed the point. I did'nt pay 11000 STG that customs asked because of one very very simple reason THE CAR WAS TOO OLD !!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I had given customs 11000 grand they would have said "sorry your car is too old" get your money back? take us to court!!!!!!!!!!

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 17:33

Yorg. More on msg 152 as certain people have told us all that the Jag is worth 1500 STG even you must agree that 11000 duty was a bit much? I notice you paid 11500STG duty was your car an old banger like mine?



When you say "be nice to hear the truth from me" I hope something is being lost in the translation, this could be taken 2 ways: 1: that you would like to hear the truth from me, or 2: that I am not being honest. could you expand on which one of these you actually meant please.



I can assure everybody that I have been ENTIRELY HONEST I know it's unbelievable but everything I have said actually happened. I had a witness with me every step of the way and they will bear out everything I have said.

I will e/mail anybody who wants to read my story, please just ask.

tufty


Joined: 03/05/2008
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 19:54

Hi Jagman

I am sure as you have been involved with the TRNC for such a lengthy time, you will now realise that people on the island change the rules to suit themselves if it is convenient at the time.

I moved here at the back end of 2006 and brought my car with me, after going through the formalities I drove my car out of Famagusta docks with no problems, even though I had fully comprehensive insurance from the UK I still had to take out a year’s TRNC insurance (better being safe than sorry) The car also had 9 months UK mot still valid but I took it to a local approved garage to have the emission test done. Every 3 months I had to go to an office in Lefkosa and pay a small amount of lira which I think was for road tax and getting the cars paper stamped for the next 3 months.

I am right behind you with your plight if I were in your position I would fight this right to the end. The only problem I see is the amount of corruption over here and am unsure if you would end up with a satis

tufty


Joined: 03/05/2008
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 19:56

I am right behind you with your plight if I were in your position I would fight this right to the end. The only problem I see is the amount of corruption over here and am unsure if you would end up with a satisfactory outcome, all I can say is good luck and don’t let the buggers get you down

tufty


Joined: 03/05/2008
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 19:57

Mess 36

Flameflabs

From memory the year jagman brought the car onto the island would have cost around £3000 in an auction in the UK if he had bought it of a pitch it would be more like £5000. The money is not the issue it is the principle. Being seized after 3 weeks it didn’t give jagman much time to sort the legals out we all know how long it takes over here to sort paper work out. I am so glad I didn’t take my Ferrari with its private number to the TRNC the customs could have had a ball.

tufty


Joined: 03/05/2008
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 19:58

Mess 37

Yorgozlu

I have met plenty of 10 bob millionaires while I have been on the island and guess what not only are they Brits but also Turkish Cypriots, one in particular was an architect (TC) who must have thought I was born yesterday, and maybe he thought he I was his next meal ticket.

tufty


Joined: 03/05/2008
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 20:00

Mess 62

I have done a lot of research into the Cyprus issue which I started around 1985 it would appear that our Gracious Queen gave the island back to the Cypriots, unfortunately the Greek Cypriots decided they wanted all for themselves and were doing a dam fine job of disposing of Turkish Cypriots, had the Turkish army not come to help you when they did I very much doubt there would be any Turkish Cypriots left on the island

How can you say people don't know what they are talking about

tufty


Joined: 03/05/2008
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 20:01

Mess 139

Canyavuz

In my first year I was off the island for a total of 112 days unfortunately I couldn’t get my car in my suitcase so I left it with my partner and the kids and had no problems with the police or the customs.

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 20:20

mess 161 - Another trnc millionnaire, tuffy ? - lost count how many ex ferrari owners i've bumped into whilst over here.



is your flat on Turtle bay or turquise bay ?

tufty


Joined: 03/05/2008
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 20:59

Mess 165



Sorry Barry I would hate to be a TRNC millionaire that only equates to £373,728 how could a man be expected to live on such a small amount? but it was nice when the interest rates were 20%



My flat is in Girne............................. the children's nanny lives in it.



Wont go down the Ferrari road

What a shame you cant read/write my board name is tufty

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 09:39

Hi tufty. well there are a few nails with sore heads there then!!!!!!!! I thank you for your comments and I agree with everything you say. People in authority who do not know the law do make up new laws on the spot.

Yor comments regarding flamefabs are spot on he obviously totally missed the humour maybe he is just a miserable old git and should be ignored !!!!!!!

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 09:52

mess 166 - me thinks you speak with forked tongue.



i['ll stick with my original theory - thousand pound millionnaire....





barry

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 10:52

msg 168 flamefabs and I will stick to my original theory that you are a miserable old git with nothing contructive to say whatsoever, so why say anything at all? I don't really think that anybody takes any notice of you. maybe if we ignore you you might go away

tufty


Joined: 03/05/2008
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 11:11

It would appear that £11000 is the magic number for the customs, Jagman was asked for £11000, Yorgozula paid £11500, I met a guy who was thretened by customs QUOTE I f you don't pay £11000 you will face a jail sentence, the poor guy was so frightened he paid the money when he asked for a reciept they told him he couldnt have one, I bet the corrupt customs officials had a great weekend

tufty


Joined: 03/05/2008
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 11:18

Barry



I get a feeling there could be a bit of jealousy .................. obviously no money being a sheet metal worker, maybe you should change your profession and you too could become a millionaire

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 19:31

carry on kidding youselves.Not going to bother for 'status' anymore.



I like being black and white.............gets too messy when colours are involved.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 19:46

anyone wanna buy a jag.











musin

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 20:41

yorg what does it mean?

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 09:25

Yorg there were 2 important questions asked in post 158 do they not deserve a reply

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 09:33

msg 160. Hi Tufty I think the message you are quoting "don't let the bastards grind you down" an inscription on a watch given by Michael Mates MP to ASIL NADIR. maybe all this is in retaliation for how Britain treated ASIL

tufty


Joined: 03/05/2008
Posts: 45

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 17:58

sure was nice to know somebody knows a bit about the TRNC and Mr Nadir you have obviously done your homework

jagman


Joined: 09/05/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 20:31

THERE IS ONE VERY IMPORTANT FACT THAT I HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT WITH ALL THESE OTHER PROBLEMS OVER THE PAST COPLE OF YEARS AND IT IS THIS



IT WAS NEVER MY INTENTION TO IMPORT THIS CAR PERMANENTLY, I COULD'NT IT WAS TOO OLD.



MY INTENTION WAS TO USE IT AS LONG AS I LEGALLY COULD AND THEN SHIP IT BACK TO UK !!!!!!!!!!!

THE FACT THAT A CAR AMNESTY WAS INTRODUCED BY THE NEW GOVERNMENT FOR WHICH I QUALIFIED CHANGED THE WHOLE THING

braveheart


Joined: 11/03/2011
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 23:56

600,000 Turks? Wow that is a change from the last time I was there in 2008.

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 05:59

mess 171 - yes, but i own the company and have a new jag, and wife has new rangerover sport.





barry d

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 09:43

ooh I have a new jag and the wife has a new range rover sport bl**dy poser,probably on tick so its the bank that owns it

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 11:38

garry monger has a large chopper, if thats any help...............