warnİng of water usage

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 11:39

on behalf of LAPTA BELEDİYESİ please do not fill your swimming pools up from the mains water supply . as well as you are NOT allowed to water any trees or plants from the water mains supply. if you are caught you will be fined very heavily and have your water meter taken away . you have been warned !!!

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 11:44

What about washing of patios, pavements and the road outside? I think that must be OK as I see people doing it most mornings.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 11:47

What happened to all the water that fell in abundance over the winter/spring time?



Richard

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 12:05

I see pavements being watered with hose pipes every day outside TC properties and see the water running down the street, is it ok for me to wash the front of my house every day too?

nigetj


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 12:09

we always use a water tanker ...but after 4 years i would really like it if somebody from your department came and actually fixed my leaking water metre rather than coming ...looking...going away ...and not coming back ...PLEASE !!

Ridle


Joined: 01/01/2009
Posts: 144

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 12:37

I think you will find most of the people who wash their pavements outside ect have their own well

Vidal


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 12:41

Here's an idea Berkeh.

There must be so many places high up in the Lapta hills where the Belediyesi could build small dams, hidden from view so we don't spoil the scenery, maybe 10mtrs by 10 x 10 that would collect rain water through the wet months. We have all seen our pools fill to overflowing and more when the rain comes.

The Belediyesi could then sell and deliver us that water and we could store in a separates tank for plants and hosing down patios etc.

There must be so many places high up in the lapta hills where the Belediyesi could build small dams, hidden from view so we dont spoil the scenery, maybe 10mtrs by 10 x 10 that would collect rain water through the wet months. We have all seen our pools fill to overflowing and more when the rain comes.

The Belediyesi could then sell us that water and we could store in a separates tank for plants and hosing down patios.

All the new drain pipes going in around Lapta are great but where is that water going? Is it stored or wasted?

Vidal


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 12:42

whoops sorry didnt mean to say it twice!

Bertie


Joined: 15/04/2008
Posts: 155

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 12:47

we cant get water for domestic use right now never mind water the garden, but the building site down for us can splash water everywhere and no not from a tanker!

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 13:09

Car washes are a growth industry it would appear, and even if people washing down the pavements do have their owns well, it still means they are lowering the water table. I once asked a TC why he washed the pavement and the road outside his house the reply was "my family have always lived here and we've always done it". How can you reason with people who think that way? Trying to explain about water-tables would be just too much for them to understand wouldn't it?

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 13:25

I have fruit trees and grow food. I understood that I could use water for them

Is this not the case I would like to know????

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 16:22

trncvaughan no one is allowed to wash the pavement or the road from the mains water if they are please report it the number is 185

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 16:23

brinsley in the summer its very hot and the demand for water is very high

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 16:26

hildysmith its not ok for tc's or anyone from any other nationality to wash the pavements and water running down the street ( they might have a well ) but if they don't please report it

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 16:30

nigeti please come in on monday morning and report your water leak and i will see to it that it gets repaired i find it very hard to believe it hasn't been fixed for four years as your water bill would be thousands of lira's

coffer


Joined: 13/02/2007
Posts: 292

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 17:12

msge 15, not if its leaking before the meter!!

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 17:24

It will be getting like england here before long.



Stick your Neighbours in if you think they drive a nice car that you think they cannot afford.



Stick your Neighbours in if you think they should not have 2 cars or there house looks to good.



Stick your Neighbours in if you see the front of there house wet



But do not worry if you see a leaking pipe some where,as we will get around to fixing that leak some time next year !

nigetj


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 17:28

AS message 16 said before the meter ....and you only need to see the state of the wall / pavement to see its been like it forever

Thank you i will come in on monday,but you have been out and looked at it many many times

annie


Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 17:37

I dont know about Lapta but the last time we had a water leak it was reported at 12 noon inspected at 1 pm (the worker appologised for the delay due to it being lunch time) Then along came two chaps who had the path dug up water leak fixed replacement cover fitted by 2.15 a few days later the worker returned to check and make good the damage caused by the digging I was impressed at the quick response.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 17:44

Don't know what your problems are if this was England we would have been on hosepipe bans and water from stand pipes for the last four months!!!!

Thames water wastes more water through leaking pipes than it supplies to the public

laptarunner



Joined: 02/11/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 18:04

This subject raises it head every year. Yes locals do waste a bit of water, washing patio etc. But look at all those swimming pools for holiday homes, sitting their not used 9 months of year.

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 18:29

So Berkeh 2001 have I understood this correctly



For the forseeable future and until we are told by Lapta Belediye we cannot water our garden so we must leave the plants to die? Not wanting to sound sarcastic just want an honest answer?

gottheyips


Joined: 28/12/2007
Posts: 444

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 18:33

Water is supplied to us through a metered tap, we pay the standard rate, water is supplied to us from a tanker, we all pay different rates but much higher than standard, the basic resource is the same so what is the problem we still use the stuff !!, And the tankers still take it out of the ground !!!



The way I see it , the name off the game is for those that own these wells and tankers to get on the band wagon and make loads of dosh but not just from us expats, they are just stinging everyone.



Then their mates and or family on the Belediyesi give out warnings and hey presto more tankers ordered



Has anyone noticed the increase in the number off water tankers on our roads.!! I have.

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 18:36

So sorry to be a pain another question WE are charged for 10 tons of water whether we use it or not will this now not be the case?

laptarunner



Joined: 02/11/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 18:48

Worth checking once you have final approval on your villa etc, you are charged a lower fixed rate for monthly water use, not the normal fixed 10 tonne.

geronimo


Joined: 30/08/2009
Posts: 296

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 20:26

Mysterious filling of pools overnight in Cypriot neighbours - must be the dew! Just as clever as overtaking on corners, wish that I had Cypriot eyes and a Cypriot pool.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
15/07/2011 21:37

We have been here 7 years and for the last 6 years it has been the policy of Lapta Belidiye to fine people for filling up their pool from the main water supply (rightly). (2 years ago we went without water for approx 9 weeks)

But the rest of the island should be treated the same as when we went to do residency last year we met a couple from Bellapais and another from Alsancak who say their Belidiye's don't have a problem with them filling their pools also they pay less a month than us.



Chris

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 06:44

vidal as we speak a new well is being built and small dams as well

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 06:47

bertie if you are having trouble getting water please come in and report it and let me know which building site and i will deal with it

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 06:52

tango 1 i understand it is hard to explain the importance of water and there are alot of people from all nations that are washing cars ; filling pools ,watering trees etc. we can't be every where at once but we are checking day and night . we do need your help as well to try and stop this from happening .

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 06:55

hildysmith as i have posted before no one is allowed to water their trees or grow plants from the mains

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 07:01

omaintenance we are repairing leaks as soon as possible some are repaired instantly some take longer not next year !!

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 07:04

dearie yes you are right no one is allowed to use mains water for their garden

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 07:12

dearie yes you are charged the standard rate from 0 to10 tons whether you use it or not at the moment !!

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 07:16

geronimo whether you are cypriot , expat or from any other nationality i will take action on behalf of lapta belediyesi

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 07:19

if you do have problems please come in and see me and i wll try and deal with your problems as best i can thank you





lapta belediyesi

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 07:22

i think the gov't shouldn't have allowed plannnig permission for any pools on an island with a water shortage.





barry

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 07:33

3rd world country with 3rd world utilities...



what do you expect ?

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 08:21

berkeh, I think you are very brave coming on here. But thank you for putting everyone straight

with regard to the usage of water.

As for locals washing down their steps.... If it wasn't for us coming over here, buildiing swimming

pools, there probably wouldn't be a water shortage.

It's their island, why should they change their lifestyle to accommodate us?

How many locals do you know with a pool?

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 09:16

Why should people here change their lifstyles flowerfairy, perhaps because water shortgage is everyone's problem. Maybe if we weren't here they wouldn't have those steps to water, and who do you think makes a living out of the water tanked out to fill pools. They sold the land, and in some cases the villas we live in, so yes, they helped bring us here, they have the benefits, they have to share the problems too. I personally do not like the' them and us' attitude, we all live here, we all have to adapt and that means Turkish Cypriots and Ex pats alike.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 09:24

We all live here misunderstood and water usage affects all of us, but if the reality is that expat average usage of water per person is vastly greater than the average for 'locals', which I personaly have little doubt is the case though I have no hard figure to back up this assumption, then is it not right that those that use the most water on average per person should make the most effort to 'adapt' that usage ?

Krin52


Joined: 25/08/2008
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 09:30

Perhaps I'm being a little dense but surely it is possible for the belediyesi to look at their computer records and find WHO shows excessive water use?????

Or is that too obvious?



We buy tanker water for a garden tank and use that separately from the mains water.



Oh, and I wouldn't be so annoyed about the attitude of the lapta belediyesi if they actually managed to SUPPLY the minimum 10 tonnes that we have to pay for!

We've had to buy tanker water for mains water for the last 5 weeks!



And saying "come in and talk to us" is just a waste of time, nothing ever gets done.....

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 09:37

Well said Erolz,

why do people think/assume, that the influx of expats has increased the quality of lives of the locals?

I came to live in a foreign country, and try to live by their rules, not change them to suit me.

In Uk, I found that the foreigners arrived and expected the locals to change to fit in with their way

of living. That is why I live here.

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 09:50

Berkeh2001 - can you please come and fill in the two huge holes and repair all the damage to the road & the barriers at the end of our street caused when you fixed a leaking water pipe about 15 MONTHS ago.



No point saying 'come in and see me' as a number of us have been to your main office in Lapta on many occasions and yet nothing has been done. There is also a smaller hole further down the street from a separate water leak that hasn't been filled in for nearly 2 YEARS.



G

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 10:23

Erolz like you said, you have no figures to back up your assumption and indeed I accept locals do have wells, hence the tanker services. All I said was it is a shared problem, exacerbated by ex pats taking up the properties with pools, BUT, those were not given to them, they bought them from LOCALS, so although the problems exist, it take two sides to make it and so two sides should share it. The influx of foreigners may not have enhanced the quality of the lives of the locals but it has certainly influenced the affluence of locals and without sellers, there can be no buyers. Most of the expats I have encountered have not expected the locals to change to accommodate, quite the reverse, the attraction of living here, for most is the charm of a life from a bygone era. So no, if the person watering their drive is using beledeysi provded water, they are every bit as anti social as those expats watering their gardens and filling their pools from beledeysi water. One rule for all.

annie


Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 10:53

I agree with Erolz and flowerfairy we brought properties here not shares in Cyprus we are guests.



Yes we should be entitled to the same service on repairs to the roads and water pipes etc if we pay our bills but no right to say how TC live their lives.



Our village is well kept nice gardens and very good people and with the age and design of the houses in the village I would very much doubt they were built from money aquired from the sale of villas + pools to expats, what I see everyday is the lifestyle that attracted me to here.



I think it is a good idea for Berkeh2001 to let us know whats happening on here and is prepared to answer questions and hopefully those who do have personal legitamate complaints do get their problems sorted.

Maybe those that do could tell everyone on here so that everyone has a more balanced view!!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 11:01

misunderstood I totaly agree that it should be one rule for all and Berkeh2001 has made it clear than any misuse of mains water in lapta will be investigated equally regardless of the nationality of the person doing so. It just whenever people talk about not filling pools from mains water, someone will come back with 'well cypriots wash down the roads' as if this is some kind of justification or excuse for their actions. They both waste water but I do not believe they both waste water to the same degree and I think it is right if you are looking to minimise water wastage in general and abuse of mains water in particular, you look hardest that those usages that waste the most.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 11:05

see messages 12 and 14 At least berkeh 2001 has a sensible approach. If flower fairy and annie think that the rules should not apply equally to all, at least someone in authority does.



As for asking locals to change to accommodate us, it is far from what I am suggesting, just that we all llive by the same laws and rules., and whether you accept it or not ladies, the locals lives have changed, they are more affluent and our money has helped to make that happen. Good, bad, indifferent - fact.



As guests, the locals should be leadinbg us by example.

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:56

Pauline, yes the rules should apply to all, but as Erolz said, there's a darn site difference between running a

swimming pool, wherever you get the water from, and washing down your step.

As for the locals being more affluent, you obviously haven't seen or met the local families that I have.



Back to the subject though, thanks again berkeh for the info.

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:01

all i am trying to do is help everyone as much as i can we are aware of every single person on hoe much water they are using every month and i am monitoring the records very closely . myself and my fellow workers will be in lapta and all the other villages checking every single swimming pool and gardens that they do not have pipes running from the mains water meter directly if there are any i suggest you disconnect them straight away to avoid an on the spot heavy fine and having you water meter taken away . all we are doing is trying to make life easier for everyone and trying to avoid water cuts as much as we can. . as i said before Lapta Belediyesi will not tolerate whether you are british , turkish or any other nationality. help us to help you SAVE YOUR WATER .

ScubaBoy9


Joined: 19/07/2010
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:45

Berkeh



I for one, appreciate what you are trying to do

araneae


Joined: 24/06/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:47

Berkeh you are doing a good job well done but why not encourage people to save water charging for 10 when 1-10 used is daft use 1 pay for 1 would encourage savings ?

trooper


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 211

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 20:06

Why do I have that awful feeling that the only people likely to be prosecuted will be foreigners? Easy target?

Don't have friends/relatives in the municipality/government/too much money. I really wish the clampdown was aimed at everyone. But is it?

I actually have four tons of water strictly for the garden supplied by tanker, but when I use the hose attached to it I can't help feeling that neighbours/passers by assume it is mains water.



Interestingly that brings us to a subject that has been explored before; how come it is ok to buy in water and 'waste' it on washing cars/patios/gardens after all it comes from the same source.It is insane but no one cares. Bit like the environment generally.

sorry to be so negative but seven years of living here has left its mark.

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 11:34

berkeh -just this morning SUNDAY mains water was being used at No.7 Karadeniz Sokak to water the GARDEN please take action it is not fair to other LAW-ABİDİNG residents.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 11:42

I suppose truth be told, wherever you get your water from it depletes the water table.



Sea water for pools, not rocket science to get the balance right. They do it in Malta. I am sure people lke

Omaintenance could help with advice on how to keep sea water used in your pool safe to swim in.

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 12:24

Surely we can all see and understand that we don't get enough rain here for everyone to use water ad-lib. If England has to have hose pipe bans in the summer because of lack of water, then it's easy enough to understand why we have hose pipe bans here. We should each try and do our bit to be careful with what water we have.

maggymay


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 701

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:01

Hi

Does this only apply to Lapta or will you be checking all areas?

nigetj


Joined: 22/07/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 15:49

Well i came into office today at 1030 ...didnt see you ...but saw a very nice man ,at 1230 ,2 men turned up and took meter apart changed some bits of pipe ....so once dries out will see if stil leaking ....but Thank You very much for promt service anyhow

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 16:29

msg 27, nurseawful, I don't know where the people from Alsancak got their information but I live in Alsancak and it is also illegal here to fill the pool up from mains water, we always pay for a tanker. I was told it was the same all over the island. As several other posters said, every year in UK we had a hosepipe ban, and all it does is rain there so being careful here is not a problem just common sense when there is no rain over the summer period.

pc4854


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 243

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 20:14

At the end of the day - you can not distinguish between customers, be they TC or ExPat. If you supply a product (like water) and you charge a rate to do so, then it must be up to the customer to decide how they allocate their allowance. If you allow 10 tons of water per month, then it is very simple. Once the meter goes over the ten tons you charge them 100 YTL per ton - BUT this will not happen because the local population IE TC could not afford the excess charges. If you are goin to run a service, it has to be fair and the customer has to be able to decide how much they spend.