Looking to open fresh fish shop in trnc

devonboy


Joined: 12/11/2010
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 00:33

I am seriously considering opening a fresh fish shop when i return to trnc in the very near future. I am well aware of the risks of opening this in cyprus but my wife (who is turkish cypriot) is very keen to retuen to the island and I even more perhaps. I am looking or some response from you all as to whether or not this is something you would like to see out there and if there is anyone with any information on the local fishing economy, (if there is one?)

I am aware of what is needed to start up my business but would love to have knowledge of what is on offer for all you fish lovers who yearn for for a real treat.



look forward to hearing from you and if you have any questions let me know

zihni007


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 85

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 00:38

good idea , but check what you can get local ; as for knowledge i could not tell you,mainly imported from turkey such as ; seabream, seabass, red mullet etc

good luck

devonboy


Joined: 12/11/2010
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 00:50

also any ideas on the shell fish situation in the med?

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 01:02

When I was unfortunate enough to live in the South there was a local (Cypriot/Brit) who opened a wet fish shop selling Cod, Haddock etc. He had it flown in from UK - expensive, but there was a demand.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 01:22

@ msg 1, devonboy: Sir, prepare for a shocking but honest message. Don't do it, don't even think about it, your "fresh fish shop". The fish situation in the Eastern Mediterranean is disastrous. The popular fish tourists buy, eat and "enjoy" here are Levrek, Çipurra and some sad Voppa etc. Rubbish fish you wouldn't eat for free in the UK. Farmed in Turkish sea water (and who checked there for all the the known fish deceases?) - or you must know some local fisherman and buy from them.

I'll keep it short.

Shell fish situation in the Med. What shell fish situation?!

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 01:37

The waters around Cyprus are clear, great for diving, but not for fish.



I have caught Tuna (12 miles out) on the seasonal run.



There are several reasons for the lack of fish:



1. The nutrients etc. from the Atlantic don't wash this far up the Eastern Med.

2. Over fishing.

3. The Aswan Dam - severely reduced the nutrients flowing into the Med from the Nile.



Great diving venue because of this.



If you intend catering for Brits it has to be Cod/Haddock. Crabs/Muscles.



Or you could try Snook .

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 01:41

@ msg6, Mic k_the_Fish: (...) Cod/Haddock. (...)

▶ Mick, where can the gentleman from msg 1 buy FRESH Cod/Haddock? Hake? Whiting (20 years ago meant for cats and now developed into 'crab sticks)?

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 01:43

Dutch - read message 4.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 01:47

@ msg 8, Mick_the_Fish: Hi Mick! When I wrote message 5 I hadn't seen msg 4 uploaded. And the poster in msg 1 mentions "Fresh Fish Shop", doesn't he?

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 01:53

True enough, but a trawler from UK (about 2 left) goes out for several days - the catch is put on ice (but not frozen).

The fish I saw imported was in polystyrene boxes - perhaps extending the time since capture by 15 or so hours -

Pretty cold in an aircraft hold - then only 6 or 7 days to clear TRNC Customs.."......

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 02:04

You may e-mail me off board or Skype for free advice. No you can't, not enough posts! richardbgray@hotmail.com

1) Are you bilingual?

2) Enough money to BUY a shop, not rent?

3) Enough working capital to combine a 'wet-fish' outlet combined with a small working fish restaurant?

4) Enough money to work with the airlines landing daily produce from Istanbul, Izmir, Ankara etc?



Hope your new project goes well for you and will be happy to advise on your new venture foc.



Richard

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 02:33

Good luck with your fish shop. Mr Spider loves Skate..







Kindest regards.





Spider,X

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 06:37

All the supermarkets have fresh fish and Hur Deniz have several shops now and they specialize in fish so the market is already well covered. I think you will struggle.

andrew4232



Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 08:08

message 13#

am not sure which sumpermarkets your looking at who stock fresh fish



Ileli dont

starling dont

supreme dont

bektas dont

tempo dont

erdner dont



lemar have about 6 very sad looking cupra hiding in some ice

crofter


Joined: 16/12/2008
Posts: 1035

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 11:26

Agree with msg 13 that the market is well covered from Catalkoy to Alsancak by HurDeniz. As already mentioned there are only 3 types of fish available here. We think that you will struggle to make a go of it so do plenty of market research before you decide.

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:32

Don't do it, you will lose a lot of money the population doesn't warrant the investment and your expenses will be phenomenal, much more than you think. Hur Deniuz have their own trawlers etc... The local fish shops who import from turkey arn't doing that well, and they cater for the locals who are not as skint as people try to make out !! I would think very very carefully before entering such a venture.

CyprusNow


Joined: 16/07/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 17:00

You would be doomed to fail, I am afraid.

frontalman



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Posts: 499

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 22:01

My gut feeling is that the doom-mongers are right.

Jetski


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Posts: 584

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 22:32

Agree with all the latter posts. HerDeniz really have the limited market sewn up here. It is also worth a mention that in Msg 5 DC has made an appalling spelling mistake! Fall on yer sword Dutch!

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 22:40

Msg 19

Hur Deniz?!



Richard

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 22:44

Re: Msg 20,

Herr Deniz?



Re : Msg 19,

"Henceforth (and for some time) I shall not be contributing (as I said earlier)"

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 22:49

Msg 21

Goodbye Hans, and all your other many alliance's!



Richard

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 00:56

You can get most good fish and shellfish in Alphamega in the South.



So, I wish you every success. Buy from whoever supplies the South. Get an import licence and you'll make a fortune.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:11

better still , start you're own satalite company ?

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:28

@ msg 19, Jetski: (...) HerDeniz really have the limited market sewn up here. It is also worth a mention that in Msg 5 DC has made an appalling spelling mistake! Fall on yer sword Dutch! (...)

▶ I'm the first one to acknowledge that > my < spelling and grammar in the English language is far from faultless. Proposition: Let's continue in another language - your choice. I bet that your answer will be: "I will not post here for some time". (Same old, same old).

▶ Errrm, where you not the joker who spelled your education and the sad result as "intelectual". Don't try Google, because all alarm bells will ring.

▶ "HerDeniz"..?! Tsk. That's "Turklish"! The translation from Turkish (if spelled as 70-80 million Turks and a couple of Cypriot Turks do): "Free Sea" (Hür Deniz). Or "Mare librum". But thats Latin and only taught to people who didn't start to work after an education manqué.

▶ (...) Fall on yer sword Dutch! (...)

Yeah.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:30

Rowlo

How about a pool cleaning company?!



Richard

rowlo



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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:37

brinsley , we could go on all night , lmao , i will go 1st , transfers from larnaca / paphos 2 kyrenia all districts covered , new business just starting up for best deals contact TAXIS4U , ok ure turn ?

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:42

Msg 27

Okay, Rowlo... The mint with the less fattening centre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joke!



Richard

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:49

gotta be polo ?

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:58

Msg 29

A roll over in the clover gets to be a push over, even in the Roller! (Your car of choice?)



Richard

devonboy


Joined: 12/11/2010
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 11:26

thanks for all your input and advise so far, the 'doom-mongers' as referred to in msg 18 seem loyal to hur deniz but I have had members of family and friends still in cyprus who say their range is limited, is this the case. I will continue to explore all options as I believe I can offer a wider range of fish to all. I also take on board the concern regarding expense and trust me, i wouldn't be considering this venture if I didn't have the resources.

I still look forward to all comments and advise, good or bad......

also what kind of fish would you all like to be able to buy that you currently can't???

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 12:07

The List would be endless,Apart from farmed Bass and Bronze Head bream ,Red Mullet and Grouper nothing else is readily available as FRESH FISH..........NO Crab, NO Lobster,NO Scallops,NO Mussels, I really don't know where you imagine the FRESH FISH would come from............the TRNC in terms of Fish Stocks is a Marine Desert.:(

Unlike this place



http://loveguernsey.net/?tag=guernseyseafood

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 21:58

Dutch..... you really should get some therapy for that OCD. Anyway.... I know we really shouldn't laugh at the afflicted but in your case we all make an exception!.... your ranting is a marvellous amusement. Keep it up Hans! (and keep that spell checker on eh?).



And in response to your question, which European language would you prefer I converse with you in (other than Dutch which is a pretty naff language anyway). Your choice.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 22:32

Msg 31

Spend sometime out in TRNC and look at what the 'competition' is doing/offering and do the opposite! Imported daily fresh shellfish attached to a small restaurant (little waste) will work and just do it, look at Belgo's! No point in asking questions for idea's knowing you'll just do what you had planned to do in the first place! Too many business's fail over here for that very reason, just copy their successful neighbours until the whole Street is filled with kebab shops and then all fail!

On a brighter note, I'd be very happy to help you (foc) to get your project off the ground; a retired chef!



Richard

dandd3


Joined: 10/06/2010
Posts: 326

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:19

If you do open a fresh fish shop i have a few contacts who can provide you with fresh fish. A few friends and i go speargun diving a few times a week and can provide fresh crab and octopus :D

devonboy


Joined: 12/11/2010
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 01:07

msg 34 and 35, many many thanks for your positive response, Richard, your experience would be highly useful, I myself have over 10 years in the fishing business and as you quite rightly mentioned I will be opening regardless, I will be heading out in October for a business holiday when the summer season draws to a close and my fish mongering duties here in Cornwall can have a well earned break.



Dan, you have put a smile my face with your post, being able to purchase your catch would be of great benefit to me.



please feel free to mail me privately on dale6@live.co.uk if like Richard and Dan you are able to assist me in stting up in trnc or perhaps do some fishing and have products to sell.



Many thanks



Dale

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 01:10

Can you cannot import cornish goods ?



great produce there

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 01:15

Msg 36

I'll be in NZ for the World Cup during October but I'll be overwhelmed with fishy ideas on my return! Paua anyone?!



Richard

devonboy


Joined: 12/11/2010
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 01:15

hI Phil, I am in talks with my managing director about that, we buy in a lot of fish from turkey and I have also been in contact with them so I know that I can provide a much larger range than already available, if the feedback from family is anything to go by.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 01:19

There is a shop in tregony (I think)

which exports all over the world

mainly fish , crab etc and smoked stuff they do them self



and some meats



Now hungery

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 04:07

Msg 40

Some merit in suggesting that going into smoking fish would work well in TRNC due to hot weather conditions and shelf-life.



Richard

devonboy


Joined: 12/11/2010
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 01:09

many thanks for all your messages, look forward to seeing you all soon and provide you with 1st class fresh fish

dandd3


Joined: 10/06/2010
Posts: 326

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 02:17

when for a dıve yesterday and got 4 octopus weıghıng ın at 13 kılos No crabs but saw a few :D

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 13:30

A Turkish Cypriot friend of ours brings us fish from his spear gun diving trips. Some are weird to look at but very tasty. He tells me the names in Turkish but unfortunately I forget them too quickly. Surely there are more people like him who have more than they need who would sell their excess to the guy in message 1 ?

Scubadoo


Joined: 08/06/2009
Posts: 162

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 14:26

Dale, have sent you e-mail.

devonboy


Joined: 12/11/2010
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 00:25

Thanks breezyboy, would be good to know if there was,



Nice catch dan, looking forward to seeing what you have available when I'm out there

steptoenoel


Joined: 27/04/2011
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 01:37

personally i don't do fish unless it battered with no hat and coat on.but hubby has raved about mineri he had in trnc?have tried to find it in uk no joy!