Website (forum) popularity and Domain Names

bigOz


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 12:51

Unfortunately the thread where we were about to have a useful discussion on success of websites was just closed down so here is a thread appropriate to the topic

Washerman! Saying "site popularity has nothing to do with Google" is like saying "pilots have nothing to do with flying aircraft"! I have written a very thick book on Search Engine Optimization (unpublished) where it explains fully how important website popularity is. I do not "make myself up to be an expert" I AM ONE! If you want proof I can forward you my certificates and work experience details but you will have to pay for my time to do it I am sure, Eurostar, Powergen and Panasonic will strongly disagree with yoıur comments

As for the domain names, the only time I will tell you is after I have purchased them and they will cost you minimum 200 dollars each - or pay me 200 TL and I will tell you now

Seriously though, if anyone wants to make a site successful, they can contact me, but such advice will not come f

bigOz


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Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 12:51

should have finished off as "free!"

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 12:54

bigOZ............you have a lot to learn. Returning users are what makes a site popular. Rich content is the key !

Any old fool can get a site into Google top ten

bigOz


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:05

Washermen - by your comments, you could not teach me "jack ....". The only way "any old fool" can get a site into top 10 would be by PPC and that would cost a small fortune every month even for the smallest of forms. Bigger ones can afford to spend tens of thousands of pounds a month to do just that. The trick is to make a site appear on the first page (not necessarily the first ten!), without using PPC. If you, the old fool, can do that, then stop fishing for advice (your questions in your previous posts is an indication of this) and do it yourself! Lets see where your forum appears when you google "Cyprus forums"! What was its name?...

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:26

Message 1.



So if i paid you $200 each,would you declare that as an income in TRNC and give a few quid into the TRNC coffers !



Anyway,im not going to post any more in here,its to teccie for me,now im going for my little light lunch of lobster and a nice feta cheese salad and my favorite tipple of red.

Chteau Mouton Rothschild Pauillac,i started with 2 cases,im down to my last 3 bottles,and its a 1986 vintage,enjoy the day peeps.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:29

bigOZ..............." by your comments, you could not teach me jack .... "

I say again: returning users are what makes a website popular. Rich content is the key. Anyone can get a single page into Google's Top 10 (first page results) - it's OK for a spot of advertising or earning a few quid by getting visitors to click on Google Ad's, but it does not make a website popular.

Now, I know that you have already declared that I can't teach you anything, but here's something to consider - if you want to advertise your services here, try not to be so abusive and abrasive - to succeed in touting for business on Cyprus 44 (in the words of Max Bygraves) you'll need friends ! (Maybe I can teach you something afterall)

I know that you know that PPC is something different to organic search results and 'No' I am not referring to that. Your trade is a dying art - there are just too many SEO tools out there to help the novices do for free, what you may charge the earth for - sorry !

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:34

Washerman msg6 says "if you want to advertise your services here, try not to be so abusive and abrasive - to succeed in touting for business on Cyprus 44 (in the words of Max Bygraves) you'll need friends ! (Maybe I can teach you something afterall) "



lol. I mean really , I litteraly laughed out loud when I read that.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:38

erolz...........I'm glad that I've made you smile, but don't let it make you complacent !

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:42

Ohh my giddy aunt.



I never thought id say this.



This wine just got better.



I would of never thought possible.



Turn up your volume and enjoy.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kjXTbRb7Qo

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:46

Oh my giddy lord.



I would of sold them 6 years ago if i had of known the price,he said they where a little bit special when he gave me the 2 boxes,i never thought this special or expensive.

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:51

Washermen; You are wrong on two counts! My "trade" it is no longer, because there is just not enough money to be earned from it here! Believe it or not, I have done and would do it free for my friends! Yes, SEO is not a rocket science, but there are many areas to be dealt with and is far too time consuming... and time costs money

The second thing, I was never rude to you or anyone else in my initial posts, but responded to your very rude comment in the previous thread: "you make yourself up to be an SEO expert", you must admit, there was no need for such a flippant comment

0maintenance; I hope the first part above answers your inquisitiveness about what I may or may not declare to the "coffers" I hope you enjoy your lunch, the vine sounds nice, but I would have thought it is a bit too hot for that at this time of the day! I personally prefer Medoc or the Mouton Cadet (Also by Rothschild I believe), but only in Winter! Lemon Squash will do me fine for now

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:52

Washerman certainly preferable to me than you stating bald faced defamatory lies about me on the forum, although how doing such is compatible with your advise to bigOz about not being 'abusive and abrasive' when you are here to promote your services, I do not know ?



Anyway to get back on topic you claim washerman that "..........making a site popular has nothing to do with getting it into Google ! " and then you go on to say that "Your trade is a dying art - there are just too many SEO tools out there to help the novices do for free". So google ranking means nothing, yet there is a 'trade' in SEO (search engine optimisation) and many SEO tools out there. Kind of strange then that if SEO (getting prominance in google searches) means nothing in making a site popular, there would be both a 'trade' in helping site owners do so and many software tools to do so, do you not think ?

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 13:59

Well Washerman... do you?

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hWsjzkyLGA&feature=related

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:00

erolz..........try not to form an opinion before you read what I have written and you'll do a lot better.

This practice is what is making you and your new found friend bigOZ let yourselves down.

Now, can we take this one point at at time so that even you two can understand:

Website popularity is nothing to do with Google - rich content is what makes a web site popular - yes or, no ?

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:08

Did erolz do the camera work on that video - it is a bit shaky, I didn't know that Simbas spoke Greek !

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:09

Washerman msg15 "Website popularity is nothing to do with Google - rich content is what makes a web site popular - yes or, no ? "



If you objective is driving traffic to your site then both things, google ranking and appearance on google searches for specific terms and rich content play a role. To say that a sites popularity has NOTHING to do with goolge is plainly a silly thing to say. If it was true then there would not be an entire SEO market. That SEO is not the ONLY thing that affects a websites popularity and traffic is not the same as saying it play NO part at all.



So it is simple really, if what you said is true, that google (google rank, where you appear on searches etc etc) play no part in the sucsess of a website, then there would be no SEO market at all. That countless people have many countless millions from the SEO market is of course just down to them all being idiots and you knowing different I guess.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:14

Message 11.



I just adore the lemon juice that you dilute with water here,BLOOM brand,i agree with what you said about the wine,but when the room is down to 21c as it is right now,this wine is perfect for me to drink @ the moment.



The lobster was great,although not quite enough.



This stilton and brie is amazing.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:14

http://www.iabuk.net/en/1/uksearchmarketincreasesby16percent120111.mxs



"It found that the number of firms planning to increase the money they spend on search engine optimisation (SEO) grew from 55 per cent in 2009 to 60 per cent in 2010."

"Jake Hird, senior research analyst at Econsultancy, commented: "Overall, the SEO market continues to flourish, as it is a proven and highly effective method of delivering return on investment by successfully driving traffic and increasing sales."

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:15

erolz.............pop·u·lar http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/popular

–adjective

1. regarded with favor, approval, or affection by people in general: a popular preacher.

2. regarded with favor, approval, or affection by an acquaintance or acquaintances: He's not very popular with me just now.

3. of, pertaining to, or representing the people, especially the common people: popular discontent.

Doesn't mention Google anywhere.

Driving traffic to a website doesn't make it popular.

Same as driving 50 miles to a restaurant won't make the food and service any better !

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:19

Washerman msg 16 says "Did erolz do the camera work on that video - it is a bit shaky, I didn't know that Simbas spoke Greek ! "



Yet more off topic personal 'digs' at both me and simbas based on an untrue implication that we had anything to do with the linked youtube video, from the man that lectures others on the need to "try not to be so abusive and abrasive - to succeed in touting for business on Cyprus 44 (in the words of Max Bygraves) you'll need friends ! "

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:23

message 19



That was in 2010



were in 2011 now, well some of us ARE !

araneae


Joined: 24/06/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:23

that old fool nige knows jack about tinternet has his site ( http://tinyurl.com/y8lgoz3 )on first page of google google north cyprus forum full of usefull information and up to date cyprus news

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:24

erolz...............ask Simbas what a sense of humour is, she will tell you not to take it personally - it's a joke !

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:24

Washerman msg20 says "Driving traffic to a website doesn't make it popular."



Wikipeida



"Web traffic is measured to see the popularity of web sites and individual pages or sections within a site."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_traffic



Seriously washerman keep digging



Any comment on you claim that SEO market is dying vs the expert professional opinion I posted in msg19 that said ""Jake Hird, senior research analyst at Econsultancy, commented: "Overall, the SEO market continues to flourish, as it is a proven and highly effective method of delivering return on investment by successfully driving traffic and increasing sales." " ?

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:28

0mainteance msg22 'That was in 2010 .. were in 2011 now, well some of us ARE ! "



lol, you really are desperate lol



You want a report saying what the growth in the SEO market has been in 2011, BEFORE 2011 has even finished lol ? With arguments like that I am starting to think its unfair to even discuss such things with you, given how seemingly unarmed you are

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:29

Oooooooh erolz....................popularity is determined by humans not Google and just because a website appears in Google, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is popular !

I am running out of ways to explain this to you, maybe there's a language barrier, sorry !

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:32

araneae......exactly ! Can you explain it to erolz in terms that he understands

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:36

message 26



It may well of dropped in 2011



Anyway.



Welcome to 2011.



Its going to be a great great year.



As i said,im not well versed on this teccie stuff,and unlike others who like to pretend to be versed on pools and get there knowledge from google,id rather sit back and relax and swig this delicious bottle of wine.

araneae


Joined: 24/06/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:38

Nige know nothing about domain name or how to get a site on to google top 10 ( I AM TOLD) yet google north cyprus forum and number 6 is his site see result here... http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&xhr=t&q=north+cyprus+forum&cp=18&pf=p&sclient=psy&site=&source=hp&aq=0&aqi=g2&aql=&oq=north+cyprus+forum&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=a44a81be73f4cd&biw=1280&bih=811



However full credit to erolz who when nigel's site was attacked helped out and was an insperation in aleviating the attack.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:39

What you are doing washerman is twisting and turning and squirming as far as I am concerned.



You claimed "..........making a site popular has nothing to do with getting it into Google ! " yet it is a FACT that companies spend millions on getting their sites 'into' google via the use of SEO specialists.



You claimed "Your trade [SEO] is a dying art yet expert professional opinion says "Jake Hird, senior research analyst at Econsultancy, commented: "Overall, the SEO market continues to flourish, as it is a proven and highly effective method of delivering return on investment by successfully driving traffic and increasing sales."



You claim "Driving traffic to a website doesn't make it popular." yet the traffic a site gets is THE primary measure of its popularity.



Keep digging, keep twisting and keep squirming.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:41

continues to flourish @ what rate and in what year,2009 or 2010?

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:46

washerman.



Any chance of translating this in google for my friend?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTPhdBqOiKQ

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:50

0maintenace msg32 says "continues to flourish @ what rate and in what year,2009 or 2010?"



Can you read ? I quote once more to help you



"It found that the number of firms planning to increase the money they spend on search engine optimisation (SEO) grew from 55 per cent in 2009 to 60 per cent in 2010."

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 14:53

erolz.............popularity is measured by humans not Google - yes or, no ?

erolz


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 15:03

Washerman your 'technique' of 'arguing' is as transparent as it is pointless in my view.



THE most standard and accepted means of measuring a webites popularity is the TRAFFIC that a website attracts. That is a plain and simple fact. There are various ways of measuring such traffic, page hits, unique views, unique visitors and the like but they are all based on TRAFFIC to a given site. Having established that simple plain truth we can then move onto the expert professional views of Mr Hird who says



"Overall, the SEO market continues to flourish, as it is a proven and highly effective method of delivering return on investment by successfully driving traffic and increasing sales."



Successfully driving traffic to a site by definaition increases its popularity. Use of SEO is a proven and highly effective method of driving traffic to a site according to Mr Hird.



Try and understand the difference between 'pop is a measure OF' and 'pop is measured BY' it may help you.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 15:09

message 34



I dont want a history lesson



i want present day facts.



Not googled garbidi gook

Washerman


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 15:11

erolz.........you are a lost cause and unfortunately for you, my mum has just shouted me in for my tea so, I have to go - it's bacon, egg, sausage, chips and beans for tea tonight - it's really popular in our household - Google it !

CyprusNow


Joined: 16/07/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 15:13

Post edited for offensive remarks.



Stick to the rules please.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 15:22

CyprusNow, I am flattered - going to all that trouble - registering a new account just to tell me that - don't you just love CY44 ?

Why didn't you just use your existing name ?

Something to hide, an ulterior motive perhaps ?

CUL8ER - off to the Amphitheatre to do something positive - erolz, why don't you be my guest of honour, bring your mate CyprusNow - 0533 869 4372 (free tickets for both of you)

CyprusNow


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 17:00

Washerman



You flatter yourself. You are quite incidental.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 17:03

2 hours in the making.

bigOz


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Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:25

Washerman; I am not his "new found friend". I have participated and exchanged views with erolz many times before in this forumWe are talking about "website popularity" here, not dictionary meanings of words! and your comments clearly show lack of knowledge on the subject

Google has the biggest and the most used Search Engine on the web, closely followed by Yahoo. The traffic handled by them is monitored by special software, recording many different aspects of internet communication. They give points to sites based on these evaluations, one of the main ones is called “Link Popularity”. It is measured by the number of “quality” links (relevant to site’s content). Cyprus44 is bookmarked by all its members and more (links!), it is also a part of a complete site that has links to hotels, restaurants, estate agents and businesses – possibly over one thousand links altogether! (continues)

bigOz


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:30

That is why cyprus44 always shows on the top/first page when you google “North Cyprus Forums”. The daily traffic is the next biggest contributor (the click frequency), and since there is a considerable amount of traffic logging on everyday, cyprus44 also gets top marks. Now you go and work that one out ,and figure out a way of having enough members bookmarking you and logging on to the site all day long in their hundreds. Then you might just about make it on the first page - but link building will require many members regularly logging on and bookmarking you - so işt is a vicious circle.

That is enough lecture for one day, your provocative responses will not induce me to teach you more - because I do not like your comments So I am going out for a nice meal with friends now... Anladın be!

clipper50


Joined: 22/06/2011
Posts: 69

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:40

well my web site is in the top 5 in Google not because it gets the most hits nor is it the most popular but it is in the top 5 of the type of service that i provide and by using adsense and adwords etc and also putting my name to and address to the site which Google likes but it doesn't like people who hide their identity .



see http://www.keston-boiler-service-repair.co.uk my site has been up and running for over 12 months now and have just had it valved at a very big six figure sum and i built the site myself

araneae


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Posts: 193

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:45

bigOz Message 44



That's all ver good but how does nige get his site to no. 6 on google as some on here say its nowt but a chat room ? ( http://tinyurl.com/yhzppu4 ) I WOULD BE MOST INTERESTED .

clipper50


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Posts: 69

Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:49

and oh big oz i dont have any fancy letters after my name either

erolz


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 19:58

How 'difficult' it is to get on the top a a google search is down to what the terms you want to be top for are and how popular such terms are. Getting a site in the top ten for google searches for 'north cyprus platapus discussions' is condiserably easier than for 'north cyprus property', because one set of search terms are not very competive in terms of the number of sites that match such terms or want to and the other is. Try searching for 'north cyprus information' for example. Then think how many sites are competing to provide 'north cyprus information' vs say how many are competing for 'north cyprus forum'.

In terms of driving traffic to cyprus44 site in general and the forum as an extension of it, try searching for any number of 'questions' you might have about north cyprus. Satelite TV, or internet connection , or residency rules or any number of other such terms. Cyprus44 will almost always come up on all these kinds of searches.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 00:05

clipper50:

I haven't clue about what you are saying concerning Google liking or not liking people's identity! It certainly is not one of the evaluation criteria. All professional sites have a "Contact Us" page where names and/or contact details about people who run the site are clearly displayed. More for their own good than Google's benefit though... As for your site's position in listings, it certainly is not listed when you google relevant keywords at this end. As erolz explained, the online competitiveness of the trade you are in (in your area) does have an effect as well as the keywords you use to see the listing. The domain name is number one on the list of search items, in other words, if you are searching for "keston boiler service" because you need one, your site will be 4th on the first page. That is because there are only 4 domain names including the key phrase above! BUT try looking for "boiler repairs service" and tell me where you are on the list. (cont.)

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 00:45

bigOz............you don't get it do you.........Google rankings are nothing to do with website popularity, eg: Cyprus44 has rich content which makes it interesting and popular so, it gets returning users, the rich content (keyword loaded) gets it into Google search results, but you can't put the cart before the horse, no matter how important you think Google is.

Now go back over what I have written and think again. You can get a website into Google, but that doesn't make it popular.

You have a fair knowledge of SEO, I'll give you that, but please keep things in perspective

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:00

Popularity of a website is measured by the amount of traffic the site gets. When someone who knows nothing about cyprus44 searches on google for 'north cyprus residency' or 'north cyprus permit' or 'north cyprus internet options' or any other number of 'north cyprus' combinations, then cyprus44 comes top or second on google and more often than not the link is to a forum page within cyprus44. Some of those searching these terms will then go on to read the site more genrally and even join and start posting thus creating even more content in the process. Not every user has found the site by this route but many will have and if cyprus44 had been 30th on the list returned by google and not first or second then they would not have found it at all. That is why comming high on a google searches matters and is directly connected to how many users the site has, how much traffic it gets and thus its popularity.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:03

erolz/.........traffic/visits/hits do not make a site popluar or, mean that a site is popular. Google rankings are nothing to do with popularity which is measured by returning users and you only get returning users from rich content......endof

AndyR



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Posts: 317

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:15

bigOz ....

I'm afraid you're talking utter rubbish.

I (along with an old, close friend) run a weather website for climbers and walkers in the UK ( http://www.mwis.org.uk ) which is not only in the top 10, but THE top search result returned by Google depending on what you search for. Type 'mountain weather' into Google and you'll see what I mean.

We didn't pay for this success, nor did we need to spend ages on SEO. We simply have a well-targeted, relevant, popular (1.7 million visitors a year) website that has genuine (rich) and original content.

I'm also an IT professional, with loads of certificates and big name clients I could name-drop. I suspect that after a few beers my ego might even be as big as yours, but, that has nothing to with the Google ranking of our website - CONTENT IS KING.

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:15

Washerman you are just talk talking nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_traffic

"Web traffic is measured to see the popularity of web sites and individual pages or sections within a site."

http://www.webgateinternational.com/2011/02/how-to-measure-your-websites-popularity/

"First, simple metrics - Number of Page Views,Number of Site Visitors,Number of Unique Site Visitors,Number of BackLinks,Number of RSS Feed Subscriptions"

http://www.techzons.com/tag/measure-website-popularity

"Popuri ranks your site by analyzing Alexa, technorati, Google Page Rank."

http://osiris-media.com/wordpress/2009/07/top-three-ways-to-measure-a-website%E2%80%99s-popularity-and-the-free-tools-to-do-it/

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:17

AndyR.........thank you for joining me in some common sense - "Content is King" is a good way of putting it - Well Done !

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:24

I could go on and on and on. There is not a site out there that deals with guaging and measuring the popularity of your website and that of competitors that does NOT talk about traffic the site gets, and few that do not talk about google and goolge rank. Of course these hundreds and thousands of sites are all wrong and you, washerman are right. Traffic has no realtionship to a sites popularity. Google rank has no relationship to a sites popularity. How many sites, saying exactly the opposite of your claims would I have to show before you would be able to admit that hey perhpas trafficv to a site does rleate to its popularity and google rank does matter I wonder? 10 ? 100 ? 1000? because they can easily be found. You are just talking nonsense washerman, sorry but that the way it is.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:26

erolz.............let me put it to you another way.

Pearl playing at the Amphitheatre tonight was advertised on the internet and in the newspapers which brought the crowds in (this is not popularity), but it was the music that we played that made us popular which was measured by the applause.

The quality of the music will determine whether they come back a second time.

Now, I can't put it any simpler than that for you.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:29

AndyR so how do you explain the millions of pounds that are spent each year by companies on SEO ? Are they all stupid comapred to you and washerman perhaps? I also notice you measure your site with "(1.7 million visitors a year)" that would be a measure of traffic would it not ? Surely you know that 1.7 million visitors to the site a year does not mean the site is popular, according to washerman that is.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:35

And washerman let me put it to you this way, if only 10 people knew you were playing the ampitheater, and only 10 turned up and the all enjoyed it you would claim presumably that the concert was 'popular', but its not what most orindainary people would say is popular. If only 10 people turned up I would suggest most oridinary people would say that the given gig, with only 10 people in the audience, was not in fact 'popular'.

You measure how popular a given gig is by how many people turn up. THe gig is the equivalent of the website, and the band p[laying the gig is the equivalent of the content. As I said BOTH matter in terms pf popularity. You are saying how many turn up does not matter at all , all that matters is if those that turn up enjopy it, even it is only one person. Your own analogy shows how silly the statement is in my view.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:35

Every 'hit' measuring tool differentiates between total visits and total page views, popularity is measured by the difference between the two figures.

Visitors from Google may land on a page and immediately click the "back" button or, stay on the website and read more pages (popularity)

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:38

If only ten people turned up, it had been badly advertised.

If only ten people turned up and they all enjoyed it = popular

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:40

The people who spend millions on SEO are trying to buy popularity - it is expensive and doesn't work. Popularity comes from content quality.......endof

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:43

Washerman both 'total visits' and 'total page views' are measures of TRAFFIC. As are a many other metrics, all of which are measures of TRAFFIC. So you are now saying that the difference between two seperate measure of traffic is the sites popularity, when before you said traffic is not a measure of a sites populartity.

In any case the two metrics, both measurements of traffic, are not the way most people judge popularity of websites these days. Things like length of stay on a page, another metric of traffic, are very important these days, as are how long a visitor stays within a given site before leaving it. There are MANY metrics assoiated with traffic. To claim 'Driving traffic to a website doesn't make it popular.' when you youself now say popularity is a measured by the difference of 'total traffic' to the site and 'total pages viewed by each unit of traffic to that site'. You are just jumping around like a kangaroo on speed.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:47

Msg 63

'on speed' (sic)

Now, that takes me back a few years!!



Richard

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:47

erolz........I see that I am wasting my time with you and I need and go to update the http://www.liverockclassics.com website with some quality content.

I've got video, pictures of the band with the large poster outside the theatre and a picture of us with the head of Tulips and the TRNC PM's wife. I need to do a write up as well.

It will be very popular with the website visitors who regularly return to our popular website to see the feature rich content that is added on a weekly basis.

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:49

Washerman msg61 well thanks for clearly showing why your argument is nonsense. A gig where only 10 people turned up would not be considered 'popular' by any normal person I think.



msg 62, firstly I am not sure if you realise it but just saying 'end of' does not actual add any wieght to your arguments you know The point is if you have TWO websites BOTH with quality content but one does not appear on seearch engines at all and the other appearts top or near top on all of them , then the later will thrive more than the former. Even more so , if content comes from users and new users to the site, who themselves create more content. The later will increasingly get more traffic (be more popular) and as a result it will also get more CONTENT, and so on and so on.



My argument has NEVER been content does not matter at all. I have said right from the start it matters. But to say that google rank does not matter at all as you have is nonsense.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:54

You have changed the argument (conveniently) and mis-quoted me - what I said was:

bigOZ............you have a lot to learn. Returning users are what makes a site popular. Rich content is the key !

Any old fool can get a site into Google top ten

I say again: returning users are what makes a website popular. Rich content is the key. Anyone can get a single page into Google's Top 10 (first page results) - it's OK for a spot of advertising or earning a few quid by getting visitors to click on Google Ad's, but it does not make a website popular.

Website popularity is nothing to do with Google - rich content is what makes a web site popular - yes or, no ?

etc.etc.etc.

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 01:55

Let me try and make it simple for you Washerman.



My claim was, in anaolgy terms, that both 'advertsing' a gig AND the quality of the content of the gig, will play a role in how popular the gig is.



Your argument is that advertising does not matter at all, is not related to how popular the gig turns out to be, how many people go to the gig is no measure of its popularity and the only thing that realtes to how popular it is if people enjoy it, even if there is only one person watching it.



Your argument is absurd, which is why its no surprise to me you are 'withdrawing' and falling back on the smashy and nicey routine instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAIWTLal9e4

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 02:02

Washerman you said "Driving traffic to a website doesn't make it popular." Its nonsense and it no different from saying advertsing a gig so that it is a sell out does not make the gig popular. Absurd. You also said "Your trade [SEO] is a dying art" also nonsense as shown.

I also said way back when "If you objective is driving traffic to your site then both things, google ranking and appearance on google searches for specific terms and rich content play a role."



I have NEVER denied that rich content plays a part in a sites popularity, like I do not deny how good a band is play a part in how popular a gig is. What I have challenged is the absurd notion that ggole rank, and increasing traffic to a site play NO role in how popular it is, just as I would never argue how well advertised a gig is play NO role in how popular the gig turns out to be on the day.

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 02:09

I personaly think only a fool of the highest order would argue that advertising a gig plays no part in how popular it turns out to be, or that how many people attend it is no indication at all of popular the gig was.



However this is your argument in a nutshell and I fully expect if the next gig you play at is a sell out, you will of course be the first to make clear to all and sundry that it selling out is no indication of how popular it was as a gig and in fact that popularity is only measured by how many at it had been to a previous gig of yours.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 04:13

erolz; We are talking to idiots of the highest order. Some of the "experts" experts in this forum are coming up with things we never denied or argued against, and using it to say "you talk rubbish"!

No one denied "rich content" - had they known the meaning, the idiots would have realised that a forum cannot possibly have a "rich content" because that would mean the posts would be using key words like "cyprus forums, North cyprus forums, North cyprus discussion forums, English forums in Cyprus" and so on repeatedly. The biggest force after the domain name itself (where there are thousands of competitors in the business area the website is targeting) is the link popularity - i.e. the number of relevant quality return links with others. That in itself is a measure of how popular a site is. People bookmark a site because they often use it, and each bookmark counts as a quality link. Without reading previous posts, we now have another idiot telling me I talk rubbish! (cont.)

bigOz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 04:57

AndyR; A discussion forum naturally has a rich content because by its very description it always involves interesting posts, and people are usually members of a form with the intention of coming back for more dıscussion, information, whatever... A forum is an empty shell with NO CONTENT until people start posting.

The oıriginal argument of the thread (started in another one earlier) was about, how a discussion forum gets on the first page of listings by a search engine. Furthermore, the role a domain name would play in the listings. Half way through the argument which became a chameleon - thanks to washer - we had one person claim his site is number 4 on the listings because... A closer look showed that there are only four companies in that part of the world, using the brand name in their URL which also defines the job they do. Hence, every time someone enters "Xbrand machine repairers", the URL that has that key phrase incorporated will show up first (or second or third or

bigOz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 05:20

You come along even later and make a stupid comment saying I talk "utter rubbish", and start of in a hostile manner already. Well, I personally think you talk a lot of shite. How many Scottish mountain weather sites are there on the Web? Not many, I guess (a quick search shows around 20 - bar the camera sites)! You clearly hit a "niche" market, and done well - good luck to you! But try searching for "weather sites in Scotland" and tell me where you are on the listings The same applies for the repair service our friend offers. If someone were to search for "boiler repair services", his site is nowhere to be seen!

I suggest you build a site for an online electronics outlet, or an state agent, or a solicitor and use as much rich content as you like (including nude girls dancing). You will never have the site on the first page during this century! Fore the rich content to be read, the site must be visible to visitors, in the first instance. Content comes third or fourth in line. (cont.)

bigOz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 05:40

It is Google directors who decide what is important for the search engine robots, (changing the goal posts all the time) and the current list is:

1. URL/Domain name

2. Quality inbound and out bound links

3. Properly key worded content

Rich content cannot be measured by the search engine robots (spiders). It will not make people come back to the site and read the same thing over and over again (because it is interesting), neither will it generate a high "click frequency". IT CAN however, over time, increase the valuable inbound links, if people bookmark the site because they may wish to come back to it again. The forces at work will vary depending on the type of site BUT our subject was "public discussion forums". Since you are an expert you tell me, how you would make a new discussion forum appear on the first page of the search engine results within a year (and what part "rich content" will play in it). Then we shall see whether we agree or not!

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 08:44

Website popularity is decided by humans not a Google algorithm :-

The +1 button is shorthand for "this is pretty cool" or "you should check this out."

Click +1 to publicly give something your stamp of approval. Your +1's can help friends, contacts, and others on the web find the best stuff when they search.

If Google could determine the actual popularity of a website, why do they ask humans to click on the +1 button ?

bigOz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 09:17

Washerman, I do not know if you at doing this to wind us up, or if you are actually serious. I also do not know where you come up with all this (mis-)information! I am online all day and never been asked to use +1. Can you be more specific please? There are programs that have access to all websites - these are called "bots" or "spiders", They are not unique to Google but all search engines such as the main ones you may have heard of (Google, Yahoo, Ask etc) use their own. These crawl through a site and get answers to all the questions with regards to meta tags, keywords etc. There are also programs that work together with the hosts, working out how many times a site has been visited. Hence, the search engines can work out the "click popularity" of a site. They can tell how many times which page of your site was sited as well as for how long! Even other fine details

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 09:35

Unfortunately for you, I come up with this paricular piece of information from Google:

http://www.google.com/+1/button/

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 09:36

*came, particular

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 14:16

Washerman you are yet again either confused or purposely confusing the issue.Think about the questions

How popular is a website

How do you measure how popular a website is

What factors affect how popular a website is



You have consistently mixed up and confused these three questions, leading to absurd conclusions. Absurd statements such as "Driving traffic to a website doesn't make it popular". What you do in this specfic example then is ignore the point, which relates to question 3 above 'what factors affect how popular a site is' and try and apply it only to point one in isolation, in order to support the absurd idea that how well you rank in google has no effect on how popular a website is and becomes and remains. If you can not, or will not, seperate the three things and understand how they relate to and affect each other as seperate things you will get no where except to keep making absurd claims based on the confusion of the three imo.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:14

Website visitors decide whether a website is popular, whether small or large in numbers, no matter where they have linked to the web site from. They decide by browsing around the website, interacting with the website and ultimately, by returning again and again.

Visiting a website doesn't make it a popular website. Hits do not mean a website is popular. Visitors may happen to a website from a Google link, look at it for two seconds and vacate - hardly what would be described as a popular website, no matter how mant times it happens in fact, if it happened repeatedly, the behaviour of the humans would categorise the website as unpopular, but it would still remain in the Google organic results !

Website popularity is determined by returning users - if they return, they must like it !

It's a customer service concept, something that you may not understand or, appreciate !

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:20

Erolz............Is your favourite restaurant the one that has the biggest advert in the newspaper ? You are grasping at straws !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:20

Hey, BigOz / ErolZ..



I admit I AM *clueless* about search engine optimisation ( SEO) and am grateful to all contributors for making this an interesting discussion



It's clear to me that humans *do* make a site popular... they design the sites to have interesting content and SEO's to 'send us there' ...





EXAMPLE: I might have the BEST product in the world in my market sector.. but if folk don't KNOW about it - because they go to a competitor who's site comes up higher in searches .....



Finally:



@ bigOz ... I'd like you to contact me - using my profile details ..

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:33

Again washerman you are confusing the three things. If you have two new restuatants of equal quality, where one advertises and is promoted widely and the other that is unkown , which is going to end up more popular ? Clearly 'advertising' plays a part in the popularity of a restuarant. It does not matter how good your restaurant is if no one ever finds it. So too it does not matter how good your website is , if no one knows it exits or can find it. You are the on who is arguing that having a mechaism that drives people to a restuarant or a website plays NO part in how popular it is at all, and the argument is silly, be it about a restuarant or a website.

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:39

And just to be clear washerman you are using the same old false and tired logic over and over again. No one is saying that the ONLY thing that determins a resturants popularity or a websites is 'advertising'. However to say that advertising plays NO part in it becomming and staying popular is just nonsense and if it was true no one would advertise. So your post 81 is just nonsense, because it not what I have said.

JohnW


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:41

erolz



Why bother with him? He'll never understand.

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:50

JohnW that is indeed a very good and valid question and one I have indeed asked myself in general terms many times over the yearts. I do not know why I bother ultimately. I do know there is some aspect of my character, some flaw perhaps, that makes me stubborn and pig headed in relation to things that I think are just patently not correct and that it manifests much more accutely on text based forums than it does in life in general, and at times I do try and modify my behaviour understanding this but generally with little sucsess.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:51

JohnW - understand what ?

JohnW


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:52

He's best ignored, he's like a small child, attention seeking. If you don't talk to him he'll sulk for a bit then go away. In any case, that will annoy him more than your engaging in further discussion so will ultimately be more fun.



John

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:53

erolz.......that was not the original statement that I made: "Returning users are what makes a site popular. Rich content is the key !

"Any old fool can get a site into Google top ten"



Don't move the goal posts to suit.......!

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:55

JohnW...........dealing with sewerage all day, doesn't mean you have to write it too

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:57

Bloody ell Big Oz/erolz



Are you Two Owls or do you have insomnia?



Get out and have some current bun,in fact get your heads together and write a little cheap paper back book,Deniz plaza will sell it for you,HOW TO OPTAMISE ?



Well ive had a lovely day @ a secret little cove/beach i found,golden sand,perfect blue water,we had it all to ourself,nooooo im not telling you where it is,forget about that.

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 16:58

Washerman msg89 says "that was not the original statement that I made [snip] Don't move the goal posts to suit.......! "



Washerman your original comment in the original thread that this was was an extenstion of was verbatamin "making a site popular has nothing to do with getting it into Google !"



That is like saying that making a restuarant popular has nothing to do with advertising. It is was nonsense then when you said it orignaly and is nonsense now. It is not me that is moving goalposts.

JohnW


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:00

Washerman



Very original. Sums you up really, doesn't it?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:02

Advertising a restaurant with a chef who can't cook is a recipe for disaster !

You don't need to advertise a restaurant with a good chef, word of mouth alone will do !

Like I said, a QOS, (customer service concept) wasted on your, it seems !

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:04

JohnW.......I always try to stay on topic. For someone who recommended to ignore me, you are getting pretty involved already and 'very' easily !

JohnW


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:07

Not for long chum, got better things to be getting on with.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:08

Come on guys - stay on the topic please.

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:09

And yet again the same old false logic over and over. Once more, no one is saying the ONLY thing that contributes to a restaurant (or websites) popularity is advertising. However to say that advertising plays NO part in making a restuarant popular is plainly nonsense. Why is you think McDonalds spend 100s of millions on advertising year in year out ?



In terms of your original claim in regards to a FORUM, the nonsense is even MORE extreme, because in that case the 'rich content' is not produced by the site itself by ONLY by those visiting it, so in that case the relationship between driving traffic to it and its chances of becomming popular and the circular nature of that relationship are vastly greater than with a restuarant, where those that visit it do not create its content.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:18

erolz......you seem to be admitting that Google amounts to advertising, which has nothing to do with popularity................the ground is slipping beneath your feet !

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:25

Washerman I am saying that ranking highly in google is an effective means, if not the most effective means, of driving traffic to a site and that there is a direct relationship between driving traffic to a site and how popular it might become, even more so for a forum where content of the site is created by those that view, than a site where they do not. I am saying this because it is patently true and painfully obviously so and in response to your original claim that "making a site popular has nothing to do with getting it into Google !" which was and still is patently nonsense as far as I am concerned.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:38

What about this:



So, erolz and bigOz.............according to you two, the websites that appear in the top 10 search results in Google are the most popular websites for any given search phrase ?

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:46

0maintenace try reading the first part of msg 79 and undertanding the difference between the three things listed. No one said that the top results on google mean the sites listed are the most popular. What we have said in the face of the absurd claim of washermans that "making a site popular has nothing to do with getting it into Google !" is that getting in top can and does have a real material impact on how popular a site becomes.



In fact a sites google page rank, which is related to how high a site might appear when searching for specific terms but is not the same as rank, IS a widely used metric in terms of a sites populartity. It is not the ONLY metric used but those that know, know there is in fact a strong correlation between google page rank and a sites popularity. There is a REASON why sites like bbc.co.uk have one of the highest google page ranks going of any site out there (9/10).

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:52

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I was quite surprised in the results .

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 17:54

erolz..............."No one said that the top results on google mean the sites listed are the most popular."



Is this the same as: "Returning users are what makes a site popular. Rich content is the key ! "



I think that it is ! Now, all we have to do is convince erolz of that !

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:03

Washerman once more for the umpteenth time no one is saying the ONLY thing that affects how popular a site is, is google rank. Of COURSE rich content and users visiting as a result of that rich content, are important. I have said that plainy over and over and over again to you. And just as many times I have also pointed out that these are not the ONLY things that affect how popular a site becomes in the face of your absurd orginal claim that "making a site popular has nothing to do with getting it into Google !"

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:04

Now, I want to take this debate to the next level. How many readers, when searching for something in Google, end up visiting websites that appear in the Google search results for the search phrase, but when they click on the Google link and visit the website, find out that it has little, if anything to do with what they are searching for ?

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:05

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0maintenance


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Message Posted:
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erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:17

And just to highlight the sheer madness of trying to have a rational disciussion with you washerman. In msg 104 you say "Now, all we have to do is convince erolz of that ![that being rich content matters in terms of a sites popularity]"



yet I have said previously



msg17 "That SEO is not the ONLY thing that affects a websites popularity and traffic is not the same as saying it play NO part at all."



msg59 "As I said BOTH matter in terms pf popularity."



msg66 "My argument has NEVER been content does not matter at all. I have said right from the start it matters. But to say that google rank does not matter at all as you have is nonsense."



msg67 "that both 'advertsing' a gig AND the quality of the content of the gig, will play a role in how popular the gig is"



msg69 "I have NEVER denied that rich content plays a part in a sites popularity"



msg83 "Clearly 'advertising' plays a PART in the popularity of a restuarant." (my empahasis)

[cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:19

msg84 "No one is saying that the ONLY thing that determins a resturants popularity or a websites is 'advertising'."



msg98 "once more, no one is saying the ONLY thing that contributes to a restaurant (or websites) popularity is advertising."



and yet given all of the above you can STILL post what you did in msg 104. Its risable.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:20

So google rank does matter.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:20

OK. so we agree ! OMG

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:24

Amanda, Google position matters for visits, but not popularity which is determined by humans not algorithms

I think that I have got erolz to agree ?

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:25

Washerman msg106 says "Now, I want to take this debate to the next level."



You can not even get off the first level and accept the patent nonsense of your orignal claim that "making a site popular has nothing to do with getting it into Google !" and you want to take it to the 'next level' ?



Anyway you say "How many readers, when searching for something in Google, end up visiting websites that appear in the Google search results for the search phrase, but when they click on the Google link and visit the website, find out that it has little, if anything to do with what they are searching for ?"



Google is not perfect, but it is a FACT that it went from nothing in the hight of the first dot com bubble burst in 1996 to a company with an equity value of US$46.241 billion (2010), asset of $57.851 billion (2010) and profit US$8.505 billion (2010) because it returned search results that were BETTER than those of its competitors.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:30

popularity is not measured by share prices either

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:30

Washerman if you think I agree with the absurd statment you made that started this whole thing off that "making a site popular has nothing to do with getting it into Google !" or some of the other absurd assertions you have made since in a futile effort to justify the original one, then you are yet again plainly wrong and obviously so. Nothing new there then.



Even now you continue to spout pure nonsense like "Google position matters for visits, but not popularity", when 'visits' (page hits) is industry wide on the the most fundamanetal and basic METRICS for MEASURING a sites popularity.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:48

OK, we've got to the stage where we have to get our credentials out to see who's biggest.

Have you got a website that appears in Google's top ten results ?

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:50

EROL



Can you tell me your secret?

You posted in this thread last night @19.58 then again @01.00, did you have a sleep in between the 5 hours of non posting?

Then you carry on from 01.15 and keep posting and in message 56 you say you could go on and on and on,are you running on Duracel !

Now message 64 mentions SPEED/does he mean linford or whizz Dont say thats your secret weapon !



And your still @ it @ 02.09 until Big Oz either wakes up with the withdrawal symtoms from not posting on cyp44 then he starts @ 04.13 and carries on the morning shift until 09.17 while you must of been getting some shuteye until the sun started to make your bedroom so hot that you woke up @ and started posting @ 14.16 until @ 16.20 your UK counterpart dropped in to spout something and from 14.16 and 16.33 until now you have not stopped.

TELL ME YOUR SECRET Erol. your last post was 18.30, ARE you intravenously fed with REDBULL & VODKA or with SPEED?

You should of been a writer

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:53

Who,s is this website erol that appears in the top five of google if you search FREE UK VPN?





Free UK VPN service - Free UK VPN server - Watch UK TV abroad



http://www.ticproblemsolver.com/free_uk_vpn/ - CachedSimilar



Are you looking for a FREE UK VPN service or, a FREE UK VPN server to watch UK TV abroad or, a secure UK VPN server and asking - how do I hide my IP ...

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:54

Amanda.......good research

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:55

Washerman we have got no further than your original absurd statement that "making a site popular has nothing to do with getting it into Google !" despite hundreds of posts and two threads as far as I can see. It was absurd then , it remains so now and nothing you have posted so far has convinced me otherwise. I doubt that getting out 'credentials' about who has the 'biggest' website would change that nor do I see how it is relevant to your inital absurd statement above anyway. I can see why you might want to keep trying to divert and deviate from the orignal statement you made however in the hope that it and the absurdness of it eventualy gets lost.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:57

I wonder if he spent millions getting it into top 5 of google when you search for FREE UK VPN ?





Free UK VPN service - Free UK VPN server - Watch UK TV abroad



http://www.ticproblemsolver.com/free_uk_vpn/ - CachedSimilar



Are you looking for a FREE UK VPN service or, a FREE UK VPN server to watch UK TV abroad or, a secure UK VPN server and asking - how do I hide my IP ...

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 18:57

So, you haven't got a website that appears in Google's top ten, so what is it that qualifies you to offer a valid opinion ?

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:03

Must be sorting out the intravenous !

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:04

And so the washerman and 0maintenance comedy show continues



Which diversionary, distractionary, personal or false assumption based BS would you like mne to deal with first ?



What hours I sleep ? How a VPN service that is NOT free appears high up on a google search for 'free VPN' searches because it, unlike any other reputable VPN services misleading talks about 'connection to the VPN server is free, but of course we will charge you for connection out of it' ? Or the false assumption that I do not have a website that appears in google top 10 for a given search, as if not having one would in any way change the plain sense and truth of what I have said in the face of washermans patent nonsense anyway ?



Get togeather the pair of you on skype, or via txt msg or any other means you like and choose which BS you wante addressed first and I will oblige.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:12

Sorry.



Who,s is this website erol that appears in the top five of google if you search FREE UK VPN?











Free UK VPN service - Free UK VPN server - Watch UK TV abroad







http://www.ticproblemsolver.com/free_uk_vpn/ - CachedSimilar







Are you looking for a FREE UK VPN service or, a FREE UK VPN server to watch UK TV abroad or, a secure UK VPN server and asking - how do I hide my IP ...

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:15

Come on erolz............have you got a website that appears in Google's top 10 search results for any search phrase ? Be honest !

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:20

Is that your join choice, along with washerman, of the distracting BS you would like me to address 0maintenance ? The one about how does tic 'free vpn service' that actauly costs 5 pounds per month show up in the top five on a google search for 'free uk vpn' ? Choose carefully now, for if it is I will not then talk about my sleeping habits, or the false assumption that I do not have a website that comes in top 5 for a given google seach, until you are agreed that this BS diversionary subject has been fully dealt with.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:21

Ok. i give in to you. sorry.



But answer message 118 about your secret weapon

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:22

Washerman the two of you have to agree first in what order I will deal with your mutual BS diversionary issues to be discussed. When you have done that I will oblige by discussing the chosen one but will not move onto the next until there is mutual agreement that the first chosen has been dealt with.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:25

erolz.........don't squirm, the readers are doing it for you. No Google top 10 results ? Sticking your nose in where it doesn't concern you ?

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:26

Deal with message 118......................please herol

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:33

I am getting conflicting response from the pair of you as to which particular BS you want em to address first. Until you find some kind of consensus between the pair of you as to which BS you want addressed first then there is nothing more I can do I am afraid. So whats it to be ? My sleeping patterns ? Or do I have a google top 10 result website or not, and why if I do or not is meaningless in any case in terms of challenging the patent original nonsense in washermans original statement that started this whole thread and all its diversionary tangents off in the first place.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:39

My skype is not working erol and ive no credit left,thats to message 125



Can you answer 118



Then message 126



Sorry to ask alot of you this evening,but i do know you just love typing !

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:40

erolz...unless you put this thread right, you run the risk of me mentioning it for ever more, have you got a website that appears in Google top 10 search results for 'any' search phrase or, were you just offering a personal 'un-qualified' opinion ?

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:45

Washerman you are more than welcome to mention this thread for as long as you like for all I am concerned I have made it totaly clear that I am more than willing to deal with your (plural) BS diversionary subjects, but that I will only deal with them each in turn and if you agree between the two of you in what order. When you do that we can begin.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:53

Its my turn first erol..........................i asked first I will sulk if you do not deal with my questions 1st !

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:53

0maintenace just get washerman to agree and say so and we are away.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:54

OK, so it's obvious that you haven't got a website that appears in the Google top ten search results for 'any' search phrase and that therefore, you are just offering a personal 'un-qualified' opinion.

Well, I am going out now so, you've got about 4 hours to do a bit of Google research on the most popular websites, and come up with something credible for when I return.

L8er

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 19:56

Il see you @ erolz washerman!

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:01

Washerman msg139 once more what is obvious to you as true and what is actually true are I am afraid two totaly different things. If you were able to read both read and understand other poeples posts it would be clear to you that I do in fact have a website that scores in the top 10. I would not have said "Or the false assumption that I do not have a website that appears in google top 10" if I did not. See the 'false asumption bit'. Even after saying that you asked me several more times do i have such a site, even though it was clear I am claming I do (because I do).

So let us for a moment assume that I am telling the truth (always a good assumption with me) and I DO in fact have a site that is in the top 10 on a google search (how would having the top ALL top 3 returns do?) will you poisition be 'gee whizz erolz, in fact you do know what you are talking about and you do have a right to poke your nose in when I talk patent nonsense' ?

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:03

erolz...........depends on the search phrase, please, what is it ?

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:06

And as much as I would like to spin this out I guess I should put you out of your misery washerman, even though the entire premise of your argument is BS, namely that without such a site I had no right or basis for commenting on your absurd orignal statement that "making a site popular has nothing to do with getting it into Google !"



Some years ago I , along with others set out to create a cyprus bicommunal forum. So try searching google for 'cyprus bicommunal forum' and see what results you get. Not just in the top ten, not just 1st position, but 1st, 2nd and third I think you will find. Will you now conceed I had a right to comment on your original BS, even though the very idea is nonsesne. Will you show me your 'bigger one' ?



Sorry 0, in the absense of agreement I have chosen washemans BS to deal with first. If we ever reach an agreed conclusion to it, Ill take yours next.

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:07

BUT, be careful, if we are going to judge who is right or, wrong, on Google positioning for a particular search phrase, in which you have placed so much faith, I might beat you hands down !

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:09

I just searched...............begins with a B and ends in a K



came up with nothing

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:12

Well I did say, erolz...........depends on the search phrase, please, what is it ?

'cyprus bicommunal forum' - well, that must be searched for a million times a day (has anyone ever searched for that phrase in Google) - just goes to show that you haven't got a clue.

Try searching using a phrase with about 1,040,000,000 results in Google - like "computer problem" and then, lets look at the results - see http://www.ticproblemsolver.com (qualification)

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:12

Washerman the whole idea that who has a 'bigger' google result on their website will determine who is right and wrong in the discussion we have been having is an absurd notion in and off itself that I do not subscribe too at all. It is your nonsense, and I am playing along with it, but whatever the result I do not think it will in any way change the nonsense of your original stamtment and other that followed it one iota.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:15

Going back to message 118



So from 8pm last night erol,you went to watch Ali,s UB40, then got back from the concert,and carried on with this thread.Now i know where the 5 hours gap went.

Did you enjoy the concert,did you see me taking fotos?

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:16

erolz.....you are the one who says that Google positioning = popularity. Seems that I am 'way' more popular than you !

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:17

message 143



Thanks. its ok,no need to answer my question now,i researched it in google,i found the missing 5 hours,google said you was watching ALI campbells UB40

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:19

Im off to erolls now.



Happy posting

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:19

Washerman my site was a 'cyprus bicommunal forum' so what terms would you think it would should up on google for ? Nor did you originaly say 'of course it all depends on what terms you search for' that was something you added when it became clear that actual I might have a 10 ten site after all. Your orignal challenge was

"Have you got a website that appears in Google's top ten results ?"

followed by

"So, you haven't got a website that appears in Google's top ten, so what is it that qualifies you to offer a valid opinion ? "

followed by

"OK, so it's obvious that you haven't got a website that appears in the Google top ten search results for 'any' search phrase and that therefore, you are just offering a personal 'un-qualified' opinion."



It is only when I made it clear that I did in fact have such did you start 'hedging' your bets by saying in msg142



"erolz...........depends on the search phrase, please, what is it ?"

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 20:29

Washerman msg149 says "erolz.....you are the one who says that Google positioning = popularity. Seems that I am 'way' more popular than you ! "



LOL. You take 'discussion' into the surreral washerman.



Firstly I refer you to 108 and 109, where I list the 8 previous times (9 if you include those posts themelves) where I clearly show that I most certainly have not and am NOT saying google poositioning = popularity. I have to wonder how many times I could clearly say I am NOT saying 'x' before you stopped claiming I was saying 'x'. Is there ANY number of times that would make a difference ?



As for you 'winning' the 'whos got the biggest google' google compettition, again your view seems a little strange to me. On my search terms my site comes position one, two AND three, on yours you come 4th only (and considerably lower if you user computer problems plural btw). Yeah clear cut hands down no doubt victory for you then I guess lol

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 22:04

re 119 Zero..



If you are searching for FREE UK VPNs and got a hit on 'Washerman's' then there must be a problem - it isn't FREE !



Oh the internet.... :(

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:34

Oh hey up



second in command has turned up while i was out.



mmmmmm.



I really do not know what to say with regards to message 154 as your message is directed to my friend david.



I shall ask him in the morning and shall get back to you as its a little late to call him now

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:47

0maintenance;

What are you on woman! Surely, its not just the wine! Hey! and are you now stalking me and erolz? I use the computer & internet for my personal work and communications until late hours of the evening and sometimes early hours of the morning (like last night, after I have been out late with my beautiful girlfriend). I am logged on to cyprus44, and look in from time to time when there is a thread which interests me. Is that OK with you madam?

erolz; Just in case you have not noticed, I have not bothered to comment on any of the posts today (in my own thread), because it really is to no avail. I suggest you do the same and stop frustrating yourself. At the end of the day, people have their own (different) ideas on many issues, and none of us will ever convince the other one, with our never ending conflicting views. "relax" is the magic word

mmmmmm; my apologies - being Sunday I got back late today - will do what you asked later on or tomorrow...

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
17/07/2011 23:53

Oh my lord. bill n ben



or is it poolexpert and HCLOman



or is it batman & robin who have come to save cyp44 from the baddies!



What am i on,im on top of the world.



I know i saw you last night very late on the computer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuI48YD3dq8



Nice shorts.

Good advice you offer to your oppo, RELAX. ive been telling him this for weeks,or he will end up with severe blood pressure like his other oppo in the UK

bigOz


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Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:09

0maintenance; You are really... "funny". You do put a smile on my face and even make me laugh with your comments at times - but you still have a lot to catch up with Brinsley In fact I might even begin to like you, if only you would give up using the youtube so much. You've just seen the shorts? Lady, you haven't seen anything yet mmmmwoooharharharha

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:14

Dont you just love utube.



Some great animations of the blood pressure kid on there.Looks like he just came in from a siberian wind.



Its great to smile BO,glad i brought some happiness your way today!



1 down 2 to go!

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:18

Pity the guy in the utube clip does not have grey or salt n pepper hair,would of been a ringer for some one !



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuI48YD3dq8

bigOz


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Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:23

Now, who does that remind you of?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6btJq-H6mI8&NR=1

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:26

the beautiful girlfriend in message 156



was i correct BO?

bigOz


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Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:35

Wronnng! She is younger than that! Try someone else who might like drinking a lot (and driving)

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:38

A reminder of Rule 3.



3. Be Polite



We take the "Be Polite" rule very seriously. We do not tolerate any rudeness. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully without insult and personal attack. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive may be banned without warning.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:39

whats message 164 about,is it about message 163?

bigOz


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Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:46

You are very naive in a funny way 0maintenance I am off to get some sleep - in any case we are actually "off-topic"! So, good night all

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:46

message 163



So it could be any number of brits here

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:52

message 166. if NO1 posted 164 because of reply 162 i think he was very very wrong.



in message 161 you asked a question.



in message 162 i answerd your question and asked if i was correct !



So no need for a copy n paste message in 164 i feel.

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
18/07/2011 00:58

Good night pinky n perky



Get some shuteye perky,youll be looking more grey and sullen than you already are !

bigOz


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Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 10:07

0maintenance; You are being persistently rude with people by calling them names or addressing them with offensive titles. On top of that you send links with silly characters in them likened to the people you address (I returned the complement)! Your main problem is, even if you never met the person in your life before, you take chances by offending the, hoping that erolz is the stereo type of all other TCs you may address in this forum! You then pretend to be an angel.

Without being impolite or offensive, all I can say is, you come across as very immature and spoiled. And if you carry on with anymore offensive remarks about myself, unlike erolz, I shall not be looking through the windows to see who is in, but will walk straight into your office to confront you! You might then realise the difference between BO and bigOz (or Perky)! Underistendi be?