If you dont have a work permit beware

johnty


Joined: 03/06/2008
Posts: 257

Message Posted:
05/11/2008 16:32

4 people have been deported for not having work permits today. Someone dobbed them in. So beware anybody out there that you might upset could have the same treatment. Rightly or wrongly do feel sorry for them

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
05/11/2008 16:39

I know this may sound unkind but there are many people here who DO get work permits and pay their taxes and I therefore have little sympathy for those that don't.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
05/11/2008 16:59

Any idea whether the deportees were Brits, Turks or what? And I take it as read that Mr Robb is allowed to stay safe and sound.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
05/11/2008 17:14

HI PTEPIKE THEY ARE BTITS AMAZING THAT ROBB CAN STAY WHAT HAS HE GOT ON THIS GOVERNMENT

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
05/11/2008 17:28

As we have said many times



" it's not WHO You know - But WHAT you Know "



;0)



http://latchfords.spaces.live.com/default.aspx

winnie-pooh


Joined: 22/07/2008
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
05/11/2008 19:34

This is really sad case i know the people involved and what makes it worse is it was english who reported them.

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
05/11/2008 19:45

Why is it that some people don't want to see others succeed ?



is it jealousy or just sheer British blo*dy mindedness



Is nosiness, 'squealing' , gossiping and nastiness just a British trait - We sometimes think so !

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
05/11/2008 20:01

Gary Robb was granted TRNC Citizenship... I don't know how he was able get the authorities to acquiesce so quickly when everybody else has to go through hoops to get the chance.... but it is a fact... so he's not likely to get exiled in the near future...



As for Brits dobbing in Brits... it takes all sorts in life and some people are not happy unless they are causing others grief... it's sad but there you are...

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 05:00

Must say that from my perspective as well I would without question report ANYONE who was working illegally either here or anywhere else, why should I pay my dues to society when others think they can abuse the system and get away with it Brits or not it dosent matter

Groucho do you work 'on the side' perhaps

Winnie pooh you should be ashamed of yourself knowing these people were taking work illegally and not reporting them, tut tut

Well said chessman

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 07:05

Mickey Rourke "Groucho do you work 'on the side' perhaps"



Work, God forbid.... on the other side, I take it you mean either in the South or on the other side of the law?



Well I don't do either, I am retired and I do as little as possible actual work..



I am trying to catch-up on all the reading I should have done throughout my life already and trying to raise funds for the Marine Turtle Conservation Project.

come_on_aylin


Joined: 14/06/2008
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 07:55

I can vouch for Groucho, believe me he does as little as possible....

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 08:09

Have to agree with Chessman and Mickey Rourke....if the punishment in the UK were as stiff as they are here it would make people think twice about making claims that they are not entitled to for which the hard working tax payer pays for. Plus the country would not be in the state it is in.



As Mickey Rourke says why should some people pay their dues and others not.

At the end of the day these people knew the risks of working here without a work permit so as hard as it sounds I have little sympathy for them.

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 08:57

I know who reported them, but I must point out they did not just report them, they paid a very well known Solicitor in Kyrenia to do the business for them.

Apparently Immigration were very sympathetic towards them but it went past that right to the top. At the same time I agree it`s best to stay within the law but they could at least have waited for the authorities to catch up with them. There are so many here doing the same and this was a very nice family.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 09:09

Brit expats at their best again.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 09:39

Aga Buyers AG Msg 7.



Interesting comments bearing in mind your situation with Gary Robb. It doesn't seem very consistent, unless I have the wrong end of the stick.



AJ Msg 14.



Relating to what? Brits breaking the law or Brits complaining that others have broken the law.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 09:52

Chessman

Both!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 09:59

AJ



LOL!

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 10:02

Chessman



There's quite a bit of difference between stating the facts about something/someone that personally affects ones (100's of persons) personal/financial situations, but squealing on others just to be spiteful is a little different don't you think.



If these persons that were working illegally had a personal effect on those that squealed lives fair enough - perhaps there is not enough details on the original story



but as for Gary Robb, his actions have had a serious effect on 100's of innocent people's financial, mental and health.....need we go on



anyhow on a lighter note Gary's mother Mavis did encourage Gary to address his victims..........



http://latchfords.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AED4FE7679CA3C33!1373.entry



which goes to show although we are owed thousands - we still manage to ' look on the bright side of life '



enjoy



ABAG

Pat, Sue & Sandra

xxxxxxxxx

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 10:14

Aga Buyers AG ''There's quite a bit of difference between stating the facts about something/someone that personally affects ones (100's of persons) personal/financial situations, but squealing on others just to be spiteful is a little different don't you think''.



So 'squealing' on others who are breaking the law is just spiteful? I think not!



In any event, I really don't care what the reasons were. They were breaking the law.There are many people here who get their work permits and pay their taxes, why should it be different for others.



BTW, good luck with your endeavours.

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 10:19

Thanks Chessman



You are right, its must be a nightmare for those trying to work legally



xxxxxxx

authentichoccie


Joined: 09/01/2008
Posts: 481

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 11:52

What sort of business were these poor people in? Was it a rival company that grassed them up??

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 11:54

Name and shame the grass.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 12:09

Nige: And the criminals?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 12:24

Come on, let's stop pussyfooting around in case innocent people fall under suspicion. Who were the deported ones, and what and where were they working?

Nemika



Joined: 05/04/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 12:29

i dont think they are criminals this is very unfair. as when you start work for an employer they tell you they will sort your work permit out its not their falt if their employer didnt do it for them. ard those that dont work out here why should we worry its not like they spunging off our tax money are they. i feel sorry for them

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 12:54

They were two young men (early twenty's) singing in bars, lovely lads, also one of their parent's.

BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 12:58

Im not one to gossip, but I know who it is.All i can say is the peace talks have been postponed for the time being.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 13:02

Nemika. They broke the law. What else would you call it! Although in retrospect I do agree that compared with other crimes, the use of the word criminals is a little harsh.



Are you suggesting then that none of us should acquire work permits or pay taxes?

The law applies to all of us not just a ''chosen'' few. It is a bit bizzare to suggest otherwise, surely.



Why should TTRNC be differnt to other countries?

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 13:04

oops!

Should be: Why should TRNC be different to other countries?

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 13:05

there is really no need to wallow in peoples misfortune , i do not condone working illegally , but you really can't pass comment without knowing the full story , no business of anyone's but the people's themselves anyway

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 13:18

Simbas.



I don't think anyone is wallowing in it, I hope not, anyway. We are just responding to the thread. It could easily have been hypothetical as no names have been mentioned.



I actually think it is our business. We abide by the law and it costs us money to do so. Illegally working in the UK or anywhere else, for that matter, is frowned on by the indigenous population. TRNC should be no different.



If everyone paid their taxes, then life may be a little more tolerant, economically speaking.



In any event, their misdemeanour (or whatever term anyone wishes to apply)has been punished and I wish them no further ills.



There appears to be divided opinion on this. Those that appear to have no issue with it and those who have an opposite view. I guess it is one of those areas that the two sides will have to agree to disagree.



Anyway, I have said my bit and am signing off on this thread, you will be relieved to know! LOL

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 13:20

How many of those who advertise their taxi services on these forums have work permits?

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 13:32

hi chessman , how are you ? bless you , we all have different views , thank god , this world would be very boring place if we did'nt , you take care

regards , simbas

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 13:44

Simbas



You are so right. We could speak in Welsh, that would confuse everyone!



I hope you are keeping well.



I am back in Caerphilly for 4 days in December and looking forward to it.



Kind Regards

stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 13:53

These people are known as "illegal immigrants".



End of story if you work without permits and are caught you have to pay the consequences.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 14:11

Everyone knows the rules, or perhaps they don't!

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 14:14

The people concerned were not deported for not having work permits.



It seems their residency was not in order and a complaint was made by some other residents regarding this.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 15:46

Chessman





Nige: And the criminals? not with my voice I take it you were refering to the new blues band due to premiere at the festival ??

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 15:53

Spot on Gordon.



Your efforts and work behind the the scenes have been made known to me AND you bought me a pint ........





Top bloke I am sure the peple cooncernced appreciate your efforts and those of all the others who helped then in their time of need, I would just like to add that Imy wife and I pass on our very best wishes to the parens concerned and hope wish them the best of luck what ever the future holds for them, their vallient efforts on Karsiyaka beach will be sadly missed.



To those pointing fingers and jibing without knowing all the facts I say shame on you.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 15:57

Gordon,



What I don't understand is... how would these other complaining residents, know that the ones now deported who they were dobbing in, did not have residency sorted?



Or were these people so daft that they went around bragging that they don't do or need residency... in which case, of course, they dobbed themselves in....

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 16:02

Groucho it may be best not to speulate on the forum they whys and wherefores of this ad saga I am led to believe there is a " history " between the parties involved and I am not party to this socan not comment.



But it is a sad saga and the people concerned have had to my knowledge a tough time of it out here at the hands of a certain builder and his co horts.



If Gordon wishes to through moe light on thesituation so be it But I see no good comming from it.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 16:16

Nige msg 38.



You would be hopeless on a rugby field, that was a dreadful side step! LOL

I do agree with the last part of your final sentence in msg 41.

Casablanca


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 18:09

For those that think the authorities here don't know what people are doing...think again! Having lived here many years and paid my dues I find that those that are working 'illegally' think they are being very clever and even brag about their position of not needing permits! Some residents too think that because they own property... they have a legal right to be here!



When the 'illegals' want to try and become 'legal' it's then they realise that the authorities know full well that they have 'worked' or overstayed their welcome...and then the problems really start!



Try and right a wrong....more than difficult!



You work and you pay your dues...otherwise be prepared to take the consequences!

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 21:33

If someone were to put their mind to it (hypothetically speaking of course) many many Ex-pats could be 'dobbed in' (lovely expression) this contributor personally knows of over 10 nay 20 nay 30 nay 50+ ex pats who are working illegally, doing taxi runs to Ercan Larnaca ect, some even using GC registered motors which are being used illegally here, some working as joiners, plumbers,corgi registered , electricians, some even for expat companies but not registered, some working in hotels, restaurants, bars, entertainers, estate agents, property management companies with no permits, am I the only one who is aware of this, I doubt it, but we all close our eyes to it, where will it ever end ?

Can we condone on one hand these practices, and on the other hand criticise legitimate companies or businesses who see fit to retaliate against them and 'dob them in'

Oh dear I court controvesy

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 21:59

Mickey, your posting is correct but in my opinion should not cause controversy. People have stayed illegally in NC for many years without any problems. Unfortunately so many ex pats are arriving there and it obviously causes problems amongst themselves. People were left alone years ago



Casablanca, in my opinion, is also correct when he says its only when they try to become legal or do something wrong, which in turn makes them stick out in the authorities eyes, that it becomes difficult and in turn can lead to deportation. Some people are their own worst enemy.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 22:20

It is beyond me ( a simple lad) If you work, you need a work permit. A work permit ensures



that you pay YOUR DUES as a citizen of the TRNC



If you work without a permit, you deprive the state of taxes which they so badly need. They



therefore have to tax honest taxpayers extra . This is antisocial.



Either you are a good citizen or you are liability to the state in which you reside.



I would blow the whistle on anyone who does not comply with the rules. They are nothing



more than a boil on the backside of the society that they live in.



NO I AM NOT A WINGEING BRIT. I deplore the genre. I am an honest man that pays his



dues, and I believe others should do likewise. How can you critize the likes of Gary Robb, if



you share the same moral outlook.?



wyn

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 22:32

If some one breaks the law be it here or the UK then they must take the consequences.



If anyone is prepared to tell the whole truth on this case then both sides would be happy. But I fear that there will be those that know the truth who will not tell for fear of repurcussions against themselves.

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 22:37

Wyn....well said.

Totally agree with you.



I was talking to another board member who lives next door to the ex mayor of Girne who told them that the poorer locals are suffering due to lack of work and are living on rice and bread.

Was also talking to a local taxi driver who stated that the Brits are taking their business away from them by doing illegal taxi runs....but the smiled when he said "but the local drivers know who they are and so do the authorities and it won't be long before they are bought to account".



I think Casablanca is right when he says that the Brits doing work without the proper work permits are going to run into problems in the future.



I for one will have no sympathy for them.

dixie normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
06/11/2008 23:56

No body can condone doing anything illegal, plenty have come here to play by the rules only to find the goal posts moved, the incentives withdrawn and the rip of a brit culture endemic. In genral the Turk attitude to work if they are born and bred here is lathargic, thats why theres loads of them working for the goverment doing bot all. If the goverments views changed to promote buisness as it should it may well find that workers who presently work under the cloak of the black market would no doubt be assisting in the economic promotion of this country. As long as this goverments attitude remains, all it is doing is increasing black market activity and its not only the Brits ,mainlanders, and uncle tom cobbley and all are on the fiddle.

No doubt the brits will be kicked hardest. God help the place in the next couple of years when the credit crunch bites and the Money tap from Turkey is turned off, no doubt Talat will be begging every Brit on the Island to open a buisiness



D.N

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 01:07

So name the people and the informants. Stop the rumours. There are too many rumours in NC.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 01:15

Yo! Stop da rumours!



If des people who are dissing these rumours only knew wot des rumours meant to those people on the other end of these rumours, then they would realise that the more rumours there were being rumoured about is givin' grief to those people who was bein' rumoured and spreading rumours about those people who is doin' this is wrong. So, stop spreading rumours about people who may be speading rumours or you might find you is being rumoured about for spreading rumours about des other people who is spreading rumours!



Innit



Lem

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 07:18

Big dick,

Your attitude is alas shared by quite a few simple minded expats 'blame the government'

1/ The government didn't ask YOU to come here

2/ The GOVERNMENT didn't offer you any incentives

3/ There are rules laid down for acquiring a work permit

4/ The 'plenty' who have come here to play by the rules, in most cases didn't come here to work, honestly or otherwise, they came here on the back of a boom, bought properties which because of the rising prices & economic meltdown they now cannot afford easily, so have to grub around to find work as they have little else they can turn to, it all boils down to greed in the first instance, they saw what they thought was the good life and went for it without REALLY thinking about it, and now they have come unstuck, the locals see them taking their jobs so are fighting back by reporting them, and good on them long may it continue

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 07:59

Don't get me wrong I don't approve of working without a permit...



I know that the permit goes with the job (it's not transferable with the worker)and it's the employer's duty to arrange it, so maybe it's the employer who should be prosecuted not the worker?



If they didn't have a work permit they should at lowest have applied for residency...



I don't know any of these people from Adam but I still think it's bonkers to have not got the residency sorted out.

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 08:01

Nowt as strange as folk.

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 09:25

Gary Robb`s got all their money and they will never see it again nor their house. I agree they should have sorted their residency but maybe they looked at what he has got away with. Maybe.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 09:27

well said dixie normus in post 49.

the rules and regs here from the gov regarding starting a business or working are a joke.

remembering that the whole of cyprus joined the e.u, but the e.u fails to recognise this part in the north.

for people to work legally in the south i think is a lot easier than here.

these rules and regs are here to stop us doing anything.



i do agree that if you think you are getting away with it think again!

we are all being watched, this is a fact of life here.



there is always a way around things, its just finding that way and staying legal.

don't break the rules just bend them.

Casablanca


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 10:26

...when the people who don't pay their dues, what will they manage on when it comes to retirement? All you have to do here is 'contribute' for 15 years, then at 55 you get the state pension and your provident fund deposits refunded with interest. The pension is about £500 per month...and free medical treatment! That's better than the UK and you get your TRNC pension 10 years earlier, and still get it if you carry on working after 55...until you finally retire! So you contribute for 15 years say on the minimum wage, thats 120ytl per month,£50stg roughly, for 180 months thats £9000. So get your pension for 18 months and you are on to a winner! Pay for longer than 15 years and you get more than the minimum payable...tell me of another scheme so rewarding! As for the provident fund...again the same amount is contributed. When you reach 55... half of your contributions are refunded in a lump sum, based on the minimum paid 15 yrs, thats over £5,000 you get in your hand including 'interest'!

Casablanca


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 10:31

...and for those who pay and leave early!!!! The provident fund money is refundable when and if you leave here...say you have paid into the scheme for a couple of years...if you decide to go you go to the main office... and fill out the form, show your leaving ticket and get half of your contributions back with interest, whats fairer than that...hats off to the TRNC...for operating a wonderful scheme for those that support it...now you know!



If you dont support the TRNC... they will not support you!

dixie normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 13:43

Hi Casablanca , The system sounds great so long as the goverment is going cap in hand to Turkey and are being bailed out. This system cannot be sustainable given that the place is on the verge of bankruptcy and the money tree is being trimmed. A new direction is needed a one that will encourage investment into NC and unless the Goverment wakes up to this the whole place will fall to bits.

Micky Dork, get your rose tinted specs off, although no body asked Brits to come here, without the investment made in property by forigners it would still be the land of a thousand shepherds, forign investment gave the place a change to take off, unfortunatly due to bad organisation, greed and blatent corruption, the take off was a disaster that has now let every would be investor know, not to touch the place with a barge pole.Temp residency requires you to show you can support yourself by showing you have money in the bank or an income so in effect residents should not need to work.



D.N

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 13:57

Casablanca



This TRNC pension seems incredibly generous.



Would they actually pay it to temporary residents residents who ahve worked and contributed to it for 15 years, or is it assumed you would be a permanent resident or citizen to qualify by then.



I agree with D N that it doesn't seem sustainable.



Aussie

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 14:03

So does anyone know what the work permit rules are? I have been told that anyone that works under 27 hours a week does not need a work permit. True or false?

AJ

Casablanca


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 14:12

Hi Aussie...as far as I am aware, the system is for all those that legally work and reside here...you would have to clarify with the Social Insurance office as to whether you qualify as for being being temporary resident... permanent residents are OK!... not really sure, so dont quote me!!!!... as I am a 'citizen' here and held an ID card since I arrived here 27 years ago...those were the days. Best £100 I ever spent on getting permanent residence etc etc!



As for the Provident Fund rebate... everyone is entitled to their deposit being refunded when they leave here. YES the pension here is generous...but remember that over the years substantial taxes are paid in every way and all go into the kitty in some form or another, anyhow not complaining!



I paid my dues and got rewarded accordingly!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 15:30

hi casablanca what will happen to the pensions if and when they re unite, as already pointed out the whole island is in the Eu and should get the benefits that go with that. Does it mean the end to work and buisness and work permits who will decide it just seems a minefied. If you are over 55 when you come here and pay into the system will you get a lesser pension or will they take your UK pension into account. People ask all these questions all the time at the relevant departments but the usuak shrug or the remark THIS IS CYPRUS when in fact its not its the TRNC. You state some very valid points. lilli

ps if thats the case that we are in europe could it raise human rights issues

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 15:34

As the main story unfolds it shows the title and meage of the thead to be bogus.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 15:48

You have lost me Nige, but I guess that is not hard. Would you or anyone else like to explain?

ladylittle


Joined: 09/03/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 16:12

I have been tld that part time work permits are now issued.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 16:16

Hi Ladylittle

Any chance you can elaborate?

Thanks for replying.

AJ

Casablanca


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 16:27

lilli...you have to pay into the system for 15 years at least!!!!



IF>>IF>>>IF>>>this side was to go into the EU then I dont forsee any changes...you get what you get from here and you get what you get from the uk...only that you will have to declare what you are getting in the EU as a whole!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 16:48

thank you casablanca you have made it clearer for me than most of the officals here. its a minefield but thaank you again lilli

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 17:31

Casablanca



Thanks for the info, very interesting.



Based on this it would be worth becoming an employee even on a part time basis simply to make the 120 ytl contributions given the generousity of the payback.







Aussie

Casablanca


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
07/11/2008 19:01

AS LONG AS YOUR EMPLOYER DECLARES THE MINIMUM WAGE (1200YTL) AS MONTHLY EARNINGS AND ENTERS THE FULL MONTH WORKED, THEN YES!



REMEMBER THAT YOU ALSO HAVE TO PAY THE SAME AMOUNT TO THE PROVIDENT FUND...THEY GO HAND IN HAND!

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 01:30

Let him/her that is without sin cast the first stone.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 02:20

I love work!



I could watch it all day!



Lem

ladylittle


Joined: 09/03/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 11:17

Hi, in reference to part time work permits, I was told by Mr ismal fromthe work department that they are now issuing part time permits. His number is 8158891. Really helpful guy. Hope that helps

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 13:04

I wonder if this members activaties are classed as " work "



" Are all Masters born with the knowledge required,or are they "instructed" by their pupils ? I wish to learn and grow with the aid of special sub who can benefit from my increasing prowess "



Interests

Topping men Topping women Cross dressing

Exhibitionism Watersports Bondage

Gags Blindfolds Flogging

Caning Schoolroom Domestic service

24/7 D/s

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 18:18

- - - - i - - - - -



Who is he the master member ?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 23:08

nige,



Is it one of thge members here into all the s/m stuff? Just idly curious...

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 23:20

mickey rourke



this is about a member on her who is advertising for " subs" the question is does this require a work permit ??



He seems to think i need one to collect my friends !!



PtePike he is into many things I wonder can he keep his one eye on his blonde lover and does she know of his fetishes ??

Kapparis Kid


Joined: 03/09/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
08/11/2008 23:25

Hey Mickey....not so much of the Paddy if ya don't mind. (I am a cockney)



I am not a practising RC (Rat Catcher) either.



Branson could never have afforded me!!



Take it easy,



T.

susief


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 529

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 04:15

Does anyone know what sort of work permit, if any, you would need to work on a part-time (very few hours) FREELANCE basis?

Thanks

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 07:32

Hi Kapparis kid

you seem to have answered under a different guise this time

Your profile has changed but perhaps you have a puter at work as well

Have a nice day

I think I now know who you are (many years in Ireland!)

sueme


Joined: 09/11/2008
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 09:15

My English neighbour has no work permit and niether does the other 4 men working with him. They are doing building work all over the Alsancak and Lapta areas and are not worried about permits. They speak openly in the local bars about their daily tasks and the amount of work they have on. My Cypriot neighbour on the other hand can't find any work and is basically living off handouts from friends for his young family. How can some of you say this is right?

I only joined this board today for this posting after reading some of the outrages messages supporting illegal working. Does anyone have a number or contact for reporting illegal workers please?

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 09:33

sueme



What is your cypriot neighbour qualified to do ? has experiance in doing I may have wwork available for him.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 09:36

hi sueme and welcome, i think this goes on all over.hey are very silly to brag if they know the law of the country. I was only thinking after David got deported how mny of the villas etc here were built by illegal worker because im sure these builders, conscrution companies didnt bother to get permits for the mainlanders who came to work. I agree you must uphold the law but wouldnt it be nice if they imposed health and safety etc for the poor workers who work for pennies, why cant your friends get jobs yet these people can. Are they doing work for expats. i dont have a numer but i guess it will be immagartion dept, it could be that they are on thier employers buisness permit. take care.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 09:53

hi sueme, welcome to the board , i don't think anyone actively condones illegal workers , i certainly dont ,but you do have to feel sorry for some , they may have been forced into doing it by extreme hardship , when your back is against the wall who knows what anyone would do to provide for their families , as i say i don't condone it but i don't think i could report anyone as i really would'nt know the full circumstances

regards , simbas

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 10:10

hi simbas how are you and the lovely baby. i agree with you i couldnt report anybody and knowing the family they worked for survival, they will not get the same treatment as an illegal when they get back to uk, housed, fed etc will they. Everyone is being very quiet about it here maybe more will come out. Evert time I see you reply I think of laver bread and how much I miss CYMRU thake care and lots of love lilli

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 10:25

hi lilli , we are fine thanks , hope you and your family are too , very sensative subject { having conscience } , but people will do what they do at the end of the day , without a thought to the dynamics of a family . dont go to cymru very often now so have'nt had laverbread for ages .

have a good sunday , remember to take a little time out for yourself ,

regards , simbas xx

Cyprusunday


Joined: 16/06/2008
Posts: 53

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 10:55

It would appear that this family did not have any permits either residency or work. As for someone "dobbing" them in this is pure speculation and probably people just looking for someone to blame for their own errors. If you do not have a Visa, Residence Permit, Citizenship or a work permit you are Illegal. End of story.



Even if you are "Dobbed in" who is at fault? Where do you draw the line? Would you dob in the driver who has a drink or two? Probably not. What if he puts a little dent in a stangers car? Runs over a child? All are agaist the law.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 11:11

I read the article in Cyprus Today and it reads like a fairy story... I realise now that I do know them from Adam...



So much of it is contradictory...



I think they were always headed for problems given that they had no visible means to support themsleves and could not therefore apply for residency and were not supposed to be working ...



The claim that they were dobbed in came from them...

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 11:23

hi simbas thanks for the advice i will try to take time out as i really want to go to cardiff before xmas to see my family, i miss the grandkids so much. you are right its a very sensitive issue but you cant help feeling sorry for them. It seems they lost out to G Robb also, a lot of villa cleaners, pool cleaners etc are worried.The truth will come out and no matter if they did wrong i wish them luck back in UK. Take care Lilli

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 11:23

SIMBAS: "very sensative subject { having conscience } , but people will do what they do at the end of the day..."



Having a conscience is not a priority for those exploiting other people's property though, is it?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 18:05

pike you are so right when you can live with yourself knowing you make money out of others misery can you really live at all. take care lilli xx

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 18:12

I was just thinking (dangerous I know), could peoples willingness to hire expat workers for building work etc have anything to do with the quality of work by say non expat workers?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 18:30

Not sure where you are going with that one Hector but I only use local TC's for the work I need doing on my Villa. I have never found a British expat that could prove to me that they were legit.

AJ

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 18:52

Re Pvt Pike. Is this guy for real or is he such a total nonentity that he feels he has to make stupid comments biased towards the G.C.'s on every subject. Personally I just think he's a sad ??????( I leave the last word up to your own interpretation)

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 20:45

if you work as a maste do your subs need a permit ??



Interesting ad by one member of this boared on the net eh Mr. - - - S -E - - - - -

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 21:24

Are you conducting a witch hunt Nige?

Don't forget the forum rules.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 21:34

John

'is it one of thge members here into all the s/m stuff? Just idly curious...'



'idly curious' you are either curious or you are not but I think Nige has a bit more interest than he lets on. Hope you both have a happy and fulfilling time together. Oh and I know how you like each others company, maybe only a xmas tho.

AJ

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/11/2008 23:26

AJ Msg 98,



You could always join the fun in a sort of "Minime" role. That would get some specialist interest from the marketing people. ;-)

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
10/11/2008 06:59

here is a clue - o- S -E - - - - -



http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/p/- o- S -E - - - - -



/

susief


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 529

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 17:05

Anyone know about freelance/self employed work permit requirements?? Please, thank you!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 18:06

susie,



If it's web-based work and you're UK domiciled for tax purposes then you can work anywhere in the world from Beijing to Miami and all points in between including Cyprus, as that's what I do for time to time. If it's on employers' premises you may be subject to local law. For the full low-down contact the British Embassy:



http://ukincyprus.fco.gov.uk/en

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 18:15

sueme







What is your cypriot neighbour qualified to do ? has experiance in doing I may have work available for him

sueme


Joined: 09/11/2008
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
12/11/2008 20:07

Hi Nigel

Sorry for the delay.

He has been working as a site manager for a building firm which has just gone bust,but he was a carpenter before but would put his hands to anything really. He is now travelling to the south everyday at 5.30 am and getting paid ok, but not a fortune for the hours he and his cypriot friends work. He would prefer to work here but he says all the foreigners are getting the local work now.

Thanks for thinking of him very kind of you.

susief


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 529

Message Posted:
13/11/2008 10:41

Thanks Ptepike, it's not web-based but not on premises either - was thinking of doing some photography work but as I said before, very few hours and probably not earning much to start with. I will do some more research I think!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
13/11/2008 13:41

susie,



If the end user and customer is in the UK or wherever and you're only taking pictures in Cyprus then I supppose you pay tax to the country of your domicile.

Bumpledink


Joined: 13/11/2008
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
13/11/2008 16:14

Just a quick comment, the work permit issue is not realy what this is about. The people in question were instrumental in creating the largest saterday market on the island, and not as people understand being employed in a 9 till 5 job. So the real issue behind all of this is ' if anyone has not applied for residency within the FIRST 3 months of arriving ' even if they get residency after going south that residency by the law of the land is ILLEGAL but this is just another of those laws that the authorities chooose to ignore, until such times as someone is prompted to apply it. you could be here for 5 years with all your paperwork upto date but if the initial application was not made in the specific time window you are liable for deportation as others.

smokey


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 22:37

you lot are wet behind the ears

to grass on a family was sick remember you are in north cyprus where it is ok to drive like a pratt putting life at risk but not ok to take the word of a gov official who says no problem !'^+%&

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 00:37

Guess what, we have another prat!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Same day, one post, one prat!!!!!!!!!!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 00:53

cyprusishome

Don't feed the fire.

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 08:24

Is it possible to obtain a TRNC work permit even if you do not reside in the TRNC (and therefore do not need a residence permit, and do not have residence permit)??

Like someone may reside in the Greek sector but come over to the TRNC every day to work (just like 1000s of Turkish Cypriots travel south daily to work),

Geoff

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 09:14

Some of you on here are a nasty bunch , and before you all accuse me of working...I DO NOT..I have no desire to work at all...but ppl that find the need to are in danger from grasses like some of you!



''post moderated for personal abuse''

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 09:44

Dee get off your high horse. Your constant attacks on Wyn are getting very boring now.



Obviously all the moderators are having a lie in this morning.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 09:52

no attack fact

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 10:00

Deecyprus



Were you living in the U.K. and you knew of someone who had burgled a house, sold Heroin, was working while claiming dole money would you not inform on them???? If not you are condoning their crime. Whilst the laws here do take some getting used to as regards residency we have never had any problem whatsoever and have found it easy to apply and renew every year.



Whilst I personally wouldn't have informed on the people deported you have no right to mount vitriolic attacks on any one who has. I am more sorry that these people were more victims of bloody Gary Robb



The fact is they broke the law and should be punished END OF STORY

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 10:03

How on earth is it a fact............

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 10:09

that was for msg 114

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 10:16

He (wyn) openly said he would report anyone working here without a permit, now whilst I accept that it is breaking the law and if caught ppl should face some form of punishment, I would not grass someone up..









''post moderated for personal abuse''

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 11:13

Were you living in the U.K. and you knew of someone who had burgled a house, sold Heroin, was working while claiming dole money would you not inform on them???? If not you are condoning their crime. Whilst the laws here do take some getting used to as regards residency we have never had any problem whatsoever and have found it easy to apply and renew every year.



msg 115 petty by name you think doing a bit on the side is the same as above, get a grip

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 18:08

Dee



You are the one that needs to get a grip. I am not talking about a bit of work on the side. If you had the intelligence to actually understand my message 115 I am stating that they broke the law by not applying for their residency or work permit. and therefore left themselves open to retribution by breaking the law. If you cannot see that I wonder whether you can see anything.





WARNING .Personal insults will not be tolerated , if you continue deletion will follow -- moderator

zanky


Joined: 17/10/2008
Posts: 354

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 13:33

thought this might be useful to some of you ---- we decided we needed someone to work part time so rang accountant plus others who said not possible for anyone to do this. As a last resort we rang Mr Ismal at the "works" office as given on this board to be told that - sure we can employ someone on a part time basis as long as they are citizens and have a Kimli card! We then told him that we need someone with skills and speaking really good English as we are a tourist business The response was that`s ok just come down here to the office and we will find you a citizen who needs work - not a foreigner!

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 17:15

this seems at ods with this



The European Union Commission is lending a helping hand in the field of business in Northern Cyprus.

The European Union Commission has awarded 450,000 Euros in total to 11 enterprises, career counseling and training institutions as part of the EU Aid Programme for Turkish Cypriots.



The title of the aid project is “making the labor market more inclusive” in North Cyprus.

The labor programme aims to promote " equal opportunities for access to the labor market for all "

as well as to adapt skills of workers, employees and the unemployed to labor market needs.

Project activities will be implemented over a period of up to 24 months and thorough guidance will be provided to those awarded the grants on how to proceed.



A ceremony will take place on 1st December at the EU Programme Support Office in the North to congratulate applicants who have received the grant

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 18:11

Gibson if you had the intelligence to understand anything it would be a miracle











WARNING . Personal insults will not be tolerated . your posts are being moderated

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 18:20

I think the Government and unions in the TRNC have the wrong idea about use of foreign labour and its employment impact on Cypriots.



1. To encourage Foreign investment and businesses they need to be able to hire skilled foreign labour that have the skills they need. Such investment also generates both directly and indirectly more Cypriot jobs through the extra money circulating in the economy. This principle of skilled foreign migration has long been adopted in Australia, the US etc and is generally considered to have generated more local employment not less.



2. Cypriots who have a good command of English generally have an advantage in being bilingual for many businesses dealing with Cypriots and foreigners alike and any sensible employer would hire such workers first given this and less red tape etc.



3. Many low paid and part time jobs aren't wanted by Cypriots (who are seeking public service and better jobs only) and are hence filled by Turkish and other foreigners.



Au

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 18:23

The fact remains that these people not only broke one law but several over a period of about 3 years.



Those laws are the laws of TRNC, like it or not. They had been warned already over one issue which they chose to ignore and which probably compounded the final result.



If they had taken out residency then may be some of the other offences would have been allowed to pass with a lesser punishment.



After hearing last week about cars finally being taken into the pound for not paying customs and now today it seems the revenue people are chasing the missing rental income. Maybe the government have finally twigged that they have got to act on the laws they have introduced. Maybe there is also some come back for all the adverse comments made about TRNC on this and other forums. You can only kick a dog so many times and it is a common belief that the government monitor these forums.

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 18:28

I think a large part of the problem is where you get some aggrieved Cypriots who speak a few words of English and think they can do complex jobs that require native English speaker competence. Unfortunately I have met some that have secured jobs at Universities and teaching English who don't have these skills to the detriment of all those they teach. This can then unfairly reflect of others Cypriots who have worked hard to develop their English Skills and can do any such jobs well.



The key things for any job seeker is to have the skills and work ethic to do the job they are seeking well regardless of where they are from.



Aussie

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 18:38

For some this is a moral question whilst for others it is a practical matter.



Having a business here is not that easy. There are all sorts of hurdles to overcome, cost, taxes and deposits to pay. The basic fixed overheads, before one gets into variable costs and costs of sales, are substantial.



One could be playing by the book and have competition from someone with no work permit, who is paying no taxes and was free of all the start up and fixed costs.



So let's explore this. Hypothetically!



If you knew of such an English person who was working illegally in direct competition to a legitimate business. Moreover, the person running that illegal business was in the country illegally with no residency after three years.



And, moreover, lets say that you knew that he was on the run from the law in the UK, having been found guilty of an imprisonable offence.



To whom would your loyalty go, the criminal from the UK illegally in the TRNC or to the TRNC authorities.



Your vi

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 18:44

Your views?

Hot Hornet


Joined: 03/06/2008
Posts: 343

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 18:52

i personally think that the laws have remained so lax for a reason, as a lot of them have been place for many years. but perhaps now its changing because this country is near to apparent 'poverty' that they are having to pull in the reins to gather money - although maybe they over-estimate how rich europeans actually are cos I don't think thats going to fill the pot do you!

slimmer


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 19:37

Where do you apply for a work permit?

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 19:43

Do you mean "Where do you apply for a work permit.?" LOL

slimmer


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 20:07

Hi Harlequin

Yes i do mean where to apply for it. Its for hubby.

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 20:17

It really isn't that simple.



Does he work for someone? Is he working for himself? Does he have a limited company? Does he have permission to trade? etc. etc.etc.etc.



You can't just decide to be something and then just apply for a work permit.



Find a good accountant who will advise you/him properly and he will guide you/him through it all. That in itself is not easy.

onlyme


Joined: 28/01/2008
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 21:45

there seems to be 3 brackets of x pats here, those that arrived with money,those that made ther money one way or another while they were here and those that have lost nearly everthing since arriving here whilst i do not condone working against the law, i wonder if those in the first two brackets remember the rules ,regulations or laws they may have broke before becoming so financialy privaleged,casting the first stone springs to mind

p.s. sorry for the spelling

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 22:21

onlyme



And, what about the other category? Those that run businesses properly, paying their dues and taxes.



Why on earth would you assume that anyone not in your three "brackets" "may"" have broken the law before they came here.



Do you have a problem with the concept that honest people may come here and run businesses within the local laws and then be a bit miffed that they have to compete with criminals on the run from the UK who are in the country illlegally, have neither residency nor work permits, pay no taxes or fees and get away with it because people are simply not hard hearted enough to send them where they belong - back to prison in the UK?

onlyme


Joined: 28/01/2008
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 23:13

no stones cast there then

Meatypete


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
04/12/2008 14:30

I agree, there are those who do things properly. A lad set up a building business here, formed a company, paid several hundreds of lira a month, social, tax and accountant etc just to do things properly. He found he could not compete with the cash in hand brigade and has now gone back at quite a loss to him and his family. I would rather that we encouraged good decent people here rather than those who think they are above the law and do us no good by being here.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
04/12/2008 15:15

Hi Meatypete , welcome to the forum , well said

Regards, Simbas

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
04/12/2008 18:11

Did my bit for renewing work permit today:



Costs Paid

Work Permit Stamp in Passport: ytl 270

Accountants Fee: ytl 150

Blood Test: ytl 100



Total ytl 520



and lost about half a day by the time I had done.

Now just got to collect the test results and take them to the accountant.

slimmer


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
04/12/2008 20:21

Hi im a citizen and my hubby has just applyed for his 2 year residency.

We would like to start a business here, how and what do you need to do?

slimmer


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
04/12/2008 20:28

I mean his second year not 2. Also in Cyprus Today they say people like myself (citizen and my hubby a resident) he can apply for a permanent residency, any truth in that. Please let us know.

Cyprusunday


Joined: 16/06/2008
Posts: 53

Message Posted:
05/12/2008 09:06

Speaking to a local the other day (solicitor) regarding work permits etc. He says the government are tightening up on illegal workers including checks on restaurants and building sites. Don't know how much truth is in it