Gary Robb Show Trial

Marilyn


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Message Posted:
18/07/2011 12:03

I am wondering what will happen when Gary Robb goes on trial in Cyprus, but not North Cyprus. Leslie Hardy of Wellington Estates has written an interesting article.

http://www.north-cyprus-property.org/gary_robb_cyprus.htm

Luv

Marilyn

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
18/07/2011 13:16

Very interesting Marilyn. I have absolutely no problem with the use of my e mail from the CPS.



I also feels it is a show put on for the media and to take the minds of the GC public off the serious state of their economy and the property fraud of enormous proportions down there. Of course Leslie knows that as my article was accompanied by a copy of the e mail published.



Give and take, I have gleaned a lot of infomation from your site for which I thank you.





Pauline

Billygoat


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Message Posted:
20/07/2011 21:47

I don't see why we should try to get him back to North Cyprus. What good will that do ?

andre514


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Message Posted:
20/07/2011 22:10

all to easily forgotten about the "cyprus question", is the march of time



from the point of view of greek cypriot claimants and nationalists,

though they may appear confident of their "ownership", at least on the surface,

in reality they hold no possession, rejected a compromise offer in 2004

and live on an island mercifully free from sectarian strife these last 37 years



unless the world or specifically property punters, are reminded of their story

pretty regularly, it will recede into the mist, that's what this "trial" is all about



but russian buyers, who can flit into north cyprus visa free, unlike the r.o.c.

have very little interest indeed in these surreal proceedings, take it from me,

and they are minded to buy in the trnc, since the brits fell on hard times

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
20/07/2011 22:21

Good story but many discrepancies in the story.



The story says:

There are funds of some £1.6m which were seized by the UK authorities, but we understand that these have been confiscated due to the view that they were the proceeds of drug crimes committed in the UK.



The 1.6m has been partly used to pay his lawyers because there was no legal aid,the 1.6m was not classed as proceeds of drug dealing,it was said it could be money that belonged to aga buyers,that is what TRNCVictim would say and not proceeds of drug dealing im sure.But in POCA investigations you are allowed to use frozen assets to pay for lawyers.

He will be in nicosia on the 31st of this month.

The one thing the story does point out that is very true,he will be a pawn in a very big political game,and there is a kocan for the land purchased,so in saying that,what chance have the rest of you who also have kochans if they wish to try and prosecute him,does that mean a kochan means nothing where the ROC in concerned?

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 22:45

Amanda I think he won't be in the ROC until the 8th August! Just putting the record staight for your Information file!

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
20/07/2011 22:55

I believe on very good authority that it shall be the 31st,but of course that could be wrong,things i suppose can change day by day!

Lets wait and see!

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 23:02

Amanda,



He comes out of prison on the 31st July his deportation will not be until the 8th August Hope your going south of the border to support him? let me know the dates and I will try to be there to buy you a drink! and welcome you to the EU

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
20/07/2011 23:03

I really have no wish to visit a EU country,im too busy

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
20/07/2011 23:08

Well I think Thailand are waiting for him next maybe you can visit and support him and his family there?

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
20/07/2011 23:17

Thailand have no interest in him ................ or do you know something i do not?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
20/07/2011 23:19

Amanda, you appear to know very little I should get in touch with your friend David!

zerochlor


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Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 23:34

Me.



Did you see the 3 wise monkeys



I know naaathingggg

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 23:50

He's going to be hung, drawn and quartered but not for his sins but to make a political point and as a threat to all buying GC land.



Justice comes in many different ways!

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 07:21

Justice will not be served, but then, when did the law have anything to do with justice, especially natural justice.



The RoC want their pound of flesh and it seems they are going to get it. How will that benefit the 100's of Aga victims?



Amaranta Valley will never be finished, so why not sell off all the plant and equiipment, sell off any assets belonging to Aga Development shareholders and Directors, not just in company's name but in their personal possession, homes, cars, bank deposits etc. Then divvy up the pot between all the Aga victims. Cannot be done they will shout, the law is not in place for it to happen. Er since when did that stop them?? Ask Akfinans,

when did a little thing like the law stop them breaking into peoples property and taking it?

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 09:48

Msg 5



"The 1.6m has been partly used to pay his lawyers because there was no legal aid,the 1.6m was not classed as proceeds of drug dealing" - Wrong, the master at the high court refused to allow this to happen (6 July 11)



"it was said it could be money that belonged to aga buyers" - Correct and has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt by SOCA



"He will be in nicosia on the 31st of this month" - Wrong, he is released from Wandsworth prison on 31 July 11 and will be extradited on 9 August 11 (source high court 6-7-11)

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
21/07/2011 09:58

Prior to 6 july the money was being used to pay lawyers,would that be correct then?

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
21/07/2011 09:59

Just a question as I truly want to understand.



Entering a fantasy world for the moment where AGA buyers were all happily living in their completed homes and maybe looking at their Kocans in the sunshine, would not the exact same charges be available to levy against Gary Robb?



My understanding is that the criminal charges in the ROC relate to the building of the properties on GC Land not the actual outcome of that process. Obviously Mr Robb would not perhaps be quite so infamous but the charges would still be possible wouldn't they?



In short is it not fair to say that the trial is not about justice for the victims but a continuation of the political dispute on the island?



Please correct me if I am wrong.



Harold

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
21/07/2011 09:59

Suzisuz Any chance any of that money will find its way back to the rightful owners, the Aga Victims?

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
21/07/2011 10:00

He is not in wandsworth,they moved him back up north,then did the hearing by video link,so i understand

SuziSuz


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Posts: 135

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 10:07

Msg 17



No money has been taken from the frozen monies and according to the case at the high court on July 6 Robb has not paid his lawyers a penny yet - so how much longer they will continue to serve for him we know not. His defense response was described as an abuse by the master and his lawyer was given a very hard time because it had taken 2 years to get such a poor statement together.



Msg 18



You are right, but the fact that he is still restrained does give one a small feeling of justice being served. AGA Victims will gain nothing from the ROC trial



Msg 19



If they follow the right path and paid monies to Unwins between Feb 04 and Oct 04. These are the dates that the frozen monies relates to. A victim can claim the money paid within these dates back under section 281 of POCA - this is what some of us are trying - hence a group of us being invited to the high court on July 6th 11

SuziSuz


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Posts: 135

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 10:09

Msg 21



Robb didnt appear in anyway shape or form on 6 July 11 only his lawyer appeared. Can't speak for the June trial but on the 6th the lawyer did state that he was in Wandsworth

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
21/07/2011 10:20

Your right,he was in wandsworth,but got moved back up north,maybe that is why he never appeared on the 6th july.

Lawyers have had some monies,it was available in small treches,but was very slow getting drawn down,i think the lawyers would of got tired of this,as we all know,with any lawyers its all about the money honey!

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 10:25

well the master of the high court and Robb's lawyer must have got it wrong then cos according to the hearing no money has been touched, but hey so long as there is enough for the rightful owners to get their percentage that was paid in who cares if the rest (interest) goes to the public purse - better than Robb getting his nasty greedy hands on it !!!!!

0maintenance


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Message Posted:
21/07/2011 10:27

Ah,it could of been paid from interest,sorry,i forgot about that,so the original amount is untouched.

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 10:57

well the story is that Robb's lawyers remain unpaid - so who knows all will become clear on the 8th August at 1pm when its Robb's last chance to submit a sensible statement regarding to monies. Its was also made clear by the master that the case will progress regardless as to where in the EU Robb is 'swinging' and looking like the 'dylan' he is...:0)

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 12:36

SuziSuz (mess 26)



Seems the Tom Tom's are out in force

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
21/07/2011 12:51

Well the good news is, no matter what, it seems his freedom is curtailed, won't get you any money but will give you a certain satisfaction. Unless of course the HIgh Court lets you dip into his 1.6 million.



Of course if Unwins have to return all that commission they earned on selling Aga properties, they are going to be a little 'strapped' too. Hope they put a little by for a rainy day because it looks like a monsoon is coming.



I was told, by someone who should know, that if you are unable to obtain title, the selling Agent is obliged to hand over his commission earned on the sale to the buyer. Nice bit of poetic justice there.

martinD41


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Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 13:12

After reading the above posts I think the thread title should be changed to "Gary Robb NO trial"..........It's just scenery for the effected victims...........More's the pity..:(

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 22:29

misunderstood (mess 28)



Am very interested in Unwins commission Is this a new law or retrospective? because if it is retrospective amongst the sunshine could be a little rain for Mark & the ex Hayran Unwin!



martinD41 (mess 29)



Scenery can be wonderful, have you never been on the top of a mountain? please don't pity either Mr Robb's victims or Mr Robb his victims don't need your pity, and I am sure Mr Robb wouldn't want anyone's pity! him being such a big strong man! perhaps all his entourage of which there are many, need your pity more than anyone!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 23:32

Surely a warning not to buy exchange land

this could be a test case

especially if the "talks" fail

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 23:49

philbailey message 31:



yes it is a clumsy warning to eu subjects, but will not affect russian buyers



this may well be a test case like the orams', but then even that seems to

have dissipated pretty harmlessly

greek cypriots will have to work hard to get robb into international media



the reunifuication talks, for good or ill, were always bound to be hobbled

by the gc "no" vote in 1974, which IMHO makes a compromise most unlikely,

and on the turkish side at least, attitudes have hardened since then

philbailey


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Message Posted:
21/07/2011 23:56

Sorry Msg32, which 1974 vote ?

andre514


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Message Posted:
22/07/2011 00:12

the gc rejection of the anan proposals...



although we do not live in a perfect world it was a deal of sorts

that allowed the turkish army to leave and some useful territories

to be handed to the south



cyprus will not see the likes of this again

philbailey


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Message Posted:
22/07/2011 00:15

Anan plan in 1974 ?

I am confused

andre514


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Message Posted:
22/07/2011 00:35

message 35:



...anan plan and gc "no" vote in 2004



oops!

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
22/07/2011 07:06

TRNC victim, the man who told me about ALL AGENTS having to return the commission earned, to the BUYER on all properties if they could not obtain title, is someone who should know and he did specifically mention AGA.



I will e mail you more details. That is why Pauline wrote about that particular subject, she did not pluck it out of the air.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
22/07/2011 16:18

Won't the agents just close

and then re-open under another name?

SuziSuz


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Posts: 135

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 16:25

Msg 37



I have already been in touch with Hasan Sungur on this matter and he has passed a letter from me to his lawyer to see what if anything can be done about the £4000 commision that Unwins took

misunderstood


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Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 16:39

Good one Suzisuz - don't swallow any old rubbish like they haven't got it, judging from where they live, they have, pass their house every day. Perhaps you should put an injunction on it.



Unforutnately, my Agent Lewis Estates, is no longer trading here, Carl Clark-Derby was their sales person, or I would be following suit. I wonder if I could have a claim on the Sunday Mail, obviously they didn't check out who they allowed advertise through their paper, their bumph said TRNC TITLE 100% SAFE. i know one born every minute waaah where's my dummy?

SuziSuz


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Message Posted:
22/07/2011 17:12

I won't hold my breath - Monkey not always do what monkey says !

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
22/07/2011 17:48

I will e mail you suzisuz on that one.

cypgab


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Message Posted:
22/07/2011 19:32

I wasn't confused Phil, the guy made a simple mistake. No need to even mention it eh?

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 21:34

cypgab (mess 43)



Was Phil confused?



philbailey (mess 38)



Let them close as Unwins! If they reopen in another name It won't take long for ex victims to cotton on and let any future victims understand their roots

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
23/07/2011 07:14

They won't close TRNC victim, they think they are shell proof. We shall see.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
23/07/2011 14:43

4k commission???



Any jobs going?