erdogan lays it on the line to the GCs

andy-f


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Message Posted:
19/07/2011 16:10

http://famagusta-gazette.com/breaking-news-erdogan-sends-thunderbolt-on-cyprus-talks-p12519-69.htm







about time too i say !





andy

cooper


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Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 16:42

Stavros has played the stalling game long enough, it will be interesting here on in.

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 17:18

Wow! Hard talk at last! But how will our Cypriot friends feel about it all?

jardap


Joined: 08/08/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 18:03

After years of going round in circles,it was always going to come to this,but yes it will be interesting as to how the South reacts

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 18:13

WELL DONE,PRESIDENT OF TURKEY !!!

ABOUT TIME



AND IS THE ONLY WAY OUT



MIKE LAPTA

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 18:39

My take on this so far is http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/69000.asp

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 21:04

Looks like Turkey have finally nailed their colours to the mast.Dont mess with the "Erdie girdie" man,



Paul.

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 21:21

Looks like he is enjoying dinner @ the malpas tonight.



Even brought there own special cars for security personel

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 21:23

Msg 8, not a Jaguar was it?

0maintenance


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Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 21:30

Big mercs and some very fancy turkish REG cars which had lights flashing in places ive never seen before,could not tell you what those cars where,all windows fully blacked out.



hahaha. just got the joke about the jag



Im slow tonight.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 21:30

This should have been the starting point all along. What exactly have they been negotiating about all this time? It is about time someone put the cards on the table. However whats betting the GC will now be shouting very loud that the TCs and Turkey have pulled out of the negotiations?



Stalemate for another decade then?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 21:30

Could be all over by the shouting by the autumn,



Paul.

hakan1


Joined: 16/07/2011
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 21:49

well done turkey : ) about time

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 21:53

But what will happen after autumn Paul?

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
19/07/2011 22:00

Nice to hear him speaking so strong and such a clear message, not sure i agree with the 4 kids bit but everythig else he was spot on Well done and Welcome to Kibris Mr Erdogun

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 00:28

while you are congratulating Mr Erdogan for his stance on this issue, you have all seemed to have forgotten his speech last year, that if the talks fail by the time the G.Cypriots take over the E.U in the 2nd half of 2012, R.O.Turkey will if need be declare TRNC as the 82nd state of Turkey.So for those in support of this happening I wish you luck,I for one do not intend to sit here and become a part of the islamic freenzy that is sweeping through Turkey at the moment, even here there are more covered people then the past, all thanks to the person you are congratulating.

Traveller0392


Joined: 21/03/2008
Posts: 186

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 00:41

Which news reports are you guys reading there? . . . I've been getting reports from TC's friends who are protesting about the Turkish prime minister's visit, that the local police were going in heavy handed, batons, pepper spray. . . . Reports of injured . . . Happy Bayram. Not

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 00:42

All Turkish families to have four children!!!!!!!!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 01:11

Msg 17, I believe the is video on facebook

of the police brutality

and the protests

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 01:24

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150252294244886



Is claimed to be a video of protest held earlier today (tuesday 19th) and I have no reason to doubt that. Certainly some heavy handeness by a few police in uniform, but in the video no evidence of batons or pepper spray that I saw. I have drawn the comparisson beofre and no doubt will again, yes some disturbing scenes but nothing like the levels of violence from all sides during the bitter miners dispute in the UK in the 80's.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 01:25

clickable link here, though I think you have to have a facebook account to view it.



http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150252294244886

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 02:04

this sort of conclusion always seemed inevitable given the lack of progress since 2008

...and if anything, events have shifted backwards since then



as regards ending the isolation and recognition, I wish them every success

but in the nature of things it is usually some considerable time after the first few bricks

tumble out of the wall for the bulk of the thing to collapse in a rush



I was not aware that turkey planned to make north cyprus an 82nd state, but the north

was already a turkish federated state 1974 to 1983 I believe

to be sure the gc's would squeal like stuck pigs but remember, in that case monkeying

about with north cyprus will involve provoking a regional power



meanwhile the republic of cyprus' eu apologists face the ever-growing threat of collapse

of their common currency

Traveller0392


Joined: 21/03/2008
Posts: 186

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 02:28

Police punching people? . . . A sad state of affairs, and don't seemed too bothered that they are being filmed . . . Ne mutlu turkum diyene. . .

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 14:37

Traveller, you didn't expect human rights in a Turkish state did you? lol.



We came to Cyprus to live with Cypriots.



I would say be very carefull what you wish for. Out of the frying pan and into the fire comes to mind.

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 15:27

The statment in Msg. 24 ("We came to Cyprus to live with Cypriots") highlights the dilemma that would have been inconceivable to the GCs and the TCs back in 1974.



One wonders which side has "won" now !



Alas, as someone who was born on the island, I shed tears for the catastrophic loss.

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 15:59

Moving off topic. Msg 23 There was no sound track to the video of this on face book that I could hear so presumeably it was the same for every one else. When the police approached the crowd I would have thought they were verbally instructing them to get back and move away.

The guy who was punched by the police officer in the opening seconds was doing neither, infact he stepped towards the officer and took hold of him with one hand what he did with the other hand is out of shot. I my view the officer was justified in the level of force he used. It was not excessive and he did what was necessary to protect him self and moved on to the core of the group which was obviously the collective intention of the police in the first instant.

Why were the police moving to the core of the group? Was there a police officer who had been isolated and in need of assistance. Had someone been assaulted? Were the police trying to arrest someone?



Continued below.

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 16:00

The video was poor, very one sided and probably aimed at depicting the police in a bad light.



I believe there were a lot of demonstrators in that video who were fortunate not to be looking at the back of a cell door overnight. In particular the chap with the shaven head and black sleeveless top.



Back to topic.



As for Mr Erdogan, you have my praise. How can a series of talks to effect a solution be workable with an open time frame! Come on there should be a level playing field and parity for both sides in these talks.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 16:06

msg 27



So did you not see the police officer bowling straight in and slapping the chap in the face ??



Or am I seeing things?

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 16:19

Do I recall a British Deputy Prime Minister lashing out with his fists ??Mr Prescott??

and many scenes of British police doing far worse to members of the public.

Student protests?





At least you know it happens here,so stay away !!!!!

eyebob


Joined: 22/06/2010
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 16:26

The protesters should be thankful they are not demonstrating on the streets of London,likely to be shoved in the back whilst unaware and suffering fatal injuries. Are they demonstrating over Turkey`s political stance or because they are having to face the realities of life now being imposed by their paymasters, the Turks?

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 16:45

Msg 27 Be specific please Stonehousepub where abouts on the video are you talking about?



Thank you in anticipation.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 22:09

msg 31



0.06 seconds



Police officer walks towards the crowd of protesters and slaps up a little chap.



Enjoy

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 22:16

Totally uncalled for.



By the way the chap with the black short sleeved top is a court official. The protestors beit right or wrong were well within their rights.



I would personally like to see that particular police officer punished for his actions.

oceana


Joined: 12/07/2010
Posts: 395

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 22:17

Stupidity!! All this violence is caused by UBP!!

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 22:48

Sue re-mess 14,winter,



Paul.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 23:03

Re msg 1 Andy-f



I'm glad that a GC paper is posting this threat from the TR PM..



In all honesty - it might 'wake up' a few GCs to the FACT that 'Tassos Liealotopoulos ( may he spin in his grave) promised his people a crock of Sh*t when he told them he could deliver a settlement based on 'EU norms of Human Rights.'



Th Annan Plan was something he *Deliberately* chose to vilify - not offering the UN a viable counter - just pages of silly demands..



Annan now looks a GREAT deal ..





As for TCs - well I feel sorriest for them... they voted to trust the EU and the GCs and ( unfortunately the GCs didn't appreciate that Denktash was finished and that Talat was a blank sheet of paper..)





Can / will TR renege on agreements it has signed? .. May be , but it would probably result in the EU customs union being torn up...

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 23:16

Cont:



Unless Mr E can convince the UN to overcome the UN security Council Resolutions re Cyprus, any new declaration / annexation won't alter the international viewpoint...



Russia and China aren't likely to agree...

padisha


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 131

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 23:17

TCs are between a rock and a hard place..................will never agree with the GCs, because they cant do without Turkey.........nor theır troops.......stalemate........

.......result partition, and become part pf Turkey..................then Turkey never joins EU...............top result...........as if they need a bunch of corrupt people who cant even get theır accounts signed off...................mind you, how transparent are Turkeys finances, or the TRNCs?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 23:23

Actually, Padisha



In 2004 the TCs and the Turks allowed to vote as they are 'citizens' did vote to trust the GCs...and be part of the EU...

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 09:48

Okay Msg 32 The point in time you speak of is what I describe in Msg 26. Have a look at the 'little chaps' actions prior to getting slapped. He stepped in towards the police office he may have had a weapon or he may have taken hold of the officer with his hand that is out of view. The officers would have been instructing him and others to stand back. The police officer has a right to defend himself. The officers actions were proportionate and justified.



Msg 33 A court official with the shaven head and sleeveless top seen roughing up a police officer later on in the video and acting in a confrontational manner towards the police. Should he have really acted in that manner?



I despise wanton violence by the police and as such should be investigated and prosecuted however, sometimes a simple explanation exists. Which I believe is the case here.



Thank you for the reply Stonehousepub.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 11:10

Only people with an agenda would see this scuffle as police brutality, worse happens in a playground.