Cyprus Today is worth reading

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 16:35

The Tough message from President Erdogan



The Battle for Cyprus 1974 by Col.Hughes Wilson.

Quote"Under Article 1V of the Treaty Guarantee,Turkey intervened quite legally"



Steer clear of a busted Union by Stephen Day



Superb Fascinating Reading



MikeLapta

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 16:53

I think Mike on the legal side of things they were also ment to go home afterwards as well.

keithr


Joined: 20/08/2008
Posts: 720

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 18:46

I read the front page and then put it back.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 19:06

I read mine in Cafe's! More comfortable than standing in Lemar and reading it w.H.Smith's style.But I must confess I sometimes do the same with other publications. But will take a look.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 19:57

Naughty Marion, I thought you free lanced for the other publications.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 20:04

I see it says Ali Campbell want's to buy a house here...........Let's hope it's a "One in Ten Chance".

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 20:09

i wonder if he would need a work permit to perform !

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 20:16

Don't know about a Work Permit,but a "Head Examination" would be beneficial.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 21:50

Marion shame on you!



If we all did that with the publications you feature in you'd never get paid.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 22:22

I think the Cyprus Today deserves to be fairly purchased or it will go out of business (even if it's not owned by Rupert Murdoch but Asil Nadir).

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
20/07/2011 23:27

Blade re msg 2



You make a good point - but it will fall on selectively deaf eyes... Makarios publicly stated at the UN, he understood Turkey's actions and legitimacy..



At the time Cyprus wasn't being run by the elected govt. .. There'd be a military coup - organised from Greece by an unpopular Junta..

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 00:50

|I am suitably ashamed! I don't buy what I write, and I leave the buying of other papers to my husband! he doesn't always purchase so.......................Yea I know that is a lame excuse, but allow me to be human!

as to comment 10, you have a valid point which actually is valid for just about everything. 'If you don't use it, you lose it' could be 'if you don't purchase it you lose it'. seriously, I know how much all the publications rely on advertising, and they are all after the same ones - and sales, and if any of the punters out there want to continue to have papers, events, concerts, shops, restaurants, then if they don't support them they will disappear.

so, I am off to buy my Cyprus today tomorrow. O.K? Am I forgiven.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 01:35

message 11:



events of 37 years ago can be used to "explain" why the gc's felt no need to compromise

...either in 2004, or the talks 2008-2011



after all, imagining themselves the only injured party from the fall-out of sectarianism,

they probably believe with right on their side they need give no quarter



whether this is best from the point of view of their own interests we can only wonder at



and as regards turkey being meant to go home...

as you are aware they were happy to do so if the ethnic turkish community was secure



but the situation in recent years though, seems to have hardened almost irretrievably,

and as one with a deep understanding of the gc part of cyprus perhaps you would know

better why they appear to indulge in throwing away opportunities as a kind of hobby

MoonageDaydre


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 01:45

I prefer the Cyprus Observer to Cyprus Today, but it doesn't seem to be as readily available as it used to be, anyone know why?



And I'm afraid I don't trust the comments of Stephen Day on the Cyprus Problem, but that's another story......

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 03:43

what were the casuality figures in 1974 ?

on each side

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 07:50

you still here mike, thought yo were having a week of to "build up your strength" before madam lands.











barry d

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 08:11

Hey flameflabs, are you one of those poorly-educated, or lazily brought-up, or inherently nasty, or IQ-challenged people I spoke about in that other post?



Or all of the above?

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 11:38

Msg13. states my feelings on the matter precisely.



However Msg11. is making a valid point in part vis. Makarios at the time. However it is assuming far too much about what may have happened if the EOKA tendency took control of the "the levers". That aside, the perspective represented by Msg.11 is devoid of any experience in what it was like to live amongst the mixed communities at the time.



I say this with the knowledge of one day hearing my own father being told by one of his GC friends in the police: "Why don't you get your family out of the village, very soon, not even a cat will be able to walk down this road!".



It does look so much different without the black&white eye-glasses

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 11:53

re 13



andre514



As you are a member of this board have you not noticed some TC members are as keen for Turkey to stop meddling in Cyprus as much as the GCs... ?!

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 13:01

message 19:



as stated in earlier postings I have met a number of tc's disgusted with the present situation,

and longing, apparently, for a return to the cyprus of earlier days



however, the trends in voting patterns and current cynicism about re-unification prospects

suggests that for the vast majority, while they may not like everything about the present setup

there is nothing better on the table, as you would call it



but the biggest problem I've had with this topic, outside of cyprus 44, is keeping people awake

long enough to actually discuss the issue



as regards turkey "meddling" it is a tad disingenuous to expect a powerful nation like that,

not to act in various ways to secure the strategic interests of itself and its people, especially

when it involves an island with which it has close cultural and geographical links



and we both would agree it was the 1974 coup detat which gave turkey both the opportunity

and a moral imperitive to do just that

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 15:31

Andre,

Ethnic Turkish community? Are we talking Tc's or Turks? Being protected.



As for the voting trends. When people live in an un democratic country where votes are purchased how can you take notice of that? Last election i watched a whole village change sides due to being offered more free gc land in the TRNC and with a drink and a kebab the deal was done. People don't vote for whats best for their country, they are voting with what they can gain, or the way mum or dad tells them to.

Its not as simple as voting trends!

eyebob


Joined: 22/06/2010
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 17:56

Ref message 16,the idiot is back!! As I understand it, according to the rules, one should stay on thread and desist from making personally insulting statements, with the penalty of being banned if the offender persists.Come on, mods, do your job and rid us of this cretin, please!! He does seem to have an agenda with Mike.

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 18:13

Thank you Robert,and other supporters.



I am at a loss for words re Flamefab.



I have had so much support from my friends,off board,who know me as a nice,pleasant guy



Never in my have I known such.........censored.......................................................



Ah well if he attacks me,he leaves others alone.



God/Allah will judge me on my life,NOT Flamefab

Fawkes


Joined: 18/07/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 18:32

taman mike the nice guy

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
21/07/2011 18:41

Am I the only one who thinks Blade and Fawkes



May just be Pikey in yet another disguise?

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 00:09

Hi message 14, thanks for the compliment re Cyprus Observer. there were a lot of good people working on it and it was published through Freebirds. It got sold to another owner two years ago since when it has met problem after problem and changed in so many ways. I worked for it for 4 years but as of a month ago it seems to have totally disappeared in spite of my trying to contact the Editor. Maybe it will resurface after the summer hols, but it has lost many of its faithful readers and virtually all of its english speaking staff and less copies are in circulatin when it comes out.

I believe there is to be another new paper out soon, so watch the shelves. I can't say too much about it because I don't know, but.......

As to Stephen Day's comments - well they are Stephens, and like all opinions are his opinions and are a basis for discussion. Out here it seems that many of us beg to differ with others - which adds colour! if not controversy.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 00:15

newscoop msg25 - not me, for what its worth.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 00:41

blade message 21:



the tc's and turkish settlers will gradually become less clearly differenciated,

what with intermarriage, citizenship and the passage of time



it is inevitable



as regards you other comments, you seem to believe that the tc's don't really

want a separate cyprus state, warts and all



again, time will tell

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 02:14

newscoop message 25:



yes it looks like friend pikey is back from the cooler and well spotted



I will award ten brownie points for the first person to record a "psst"



...and pikey probably will be after celebrating the gary robb "verdict"

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 05:47

message 23, Mike you're a hero.



i wonder what your friends are saying behind your back ?





barry d

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 14:32

msg21.

As for the voting trends. When people live in an un democratic country where votes are purchased how can you take notice of that?



Are you talking about the south; or Cypriots in general? Those in greenhouses should not throw stones.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 14:37

As you are a member of this board have you not noticed some TC members are as keen for Turkey to stop meddling in Cyprus as much as the GCs... ?!



mm. You are right, some, but not enough to be taken seriously.