Top businessman: put an end to the Cyprus talks

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:37

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprob/top-businessman-put-end-cyprus-talks/20110802-0



WELL-KNOWN businessman Photos Photiades yesterday urged a public outcry “to save our country” and put an end to “incomprehensible” Cyprus problem talks.



He said it was imperative that everyone, from the president down to the last citizen, took a resounding stand to implement the EU acquis communautaire and demand our EU rights, and to take advantage of Cyprus’ confirmed reserves of crude oil and natural gas.



“We must campaign to save our country… Our only salvation is to end the talks and to denounce Turkey for [Turkish Prime Minister Tayip] Erdogan’s words,” he said.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:38

Speaking at a news conference from his office in Nicosia, the businessman was referring to last month’s comments by Erdogan in the occupied areas. The PM was on the island to commemorate the anniversary of the 1974 Turkish invasion.



During his visit Erdogan, among other things, said the Greek Cypriot side could forget “Kyrenia, Karpas, Morphou and Famagusta” and called for a two-state solution.



He also said he would freeze EU accession talks if Cyprus took over the EU presidency in July 2012 as Turkey did not recognise Cyprus.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:38

Photiades said Cyprus was in a critical situation and that he felt it was his obligation to “do everything to save our country”. He added that he was a speaking as a “simple, Cypriot citizen” and not from the position of a prominent businessman.



The businessman said no one could give him a clear answer about what our goals were and questioned if we didn’t understand our own issue, how could we expect foreigners to understand.



He said Erdogan had given us a golden opportunity and that we had to grab on to it instead of falling into the trap of bicommunal talks which had led us nowhere.



“For 40 years they’ve taken us from bad to worse… We must end this danger which is heading towards destruction,” he said.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:39

Photiades said Turkey’s Achilles heel was Europe and that as an equal partner in the bloc we should exploit this to our advantage and demand our EU rights which Turkey had an obligation to implement.



The businessman also referred to the “gift” we’d been given in the form of natural gas and crude oil reserves off the coast of Cyprus which he said could secure us “powerful allies in the European Union”. He said he had received personal assurances from EU states that they were ready to sign joint exploitation agreements of our reserves and that we should use this strength to our advantage.



“It is the only way we have left to save our country,” he said.

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 19:52

Cyprus is not his country, the Turks were there before the Greeks, Mr Photiades can shout as loud as he wants, he won't be heard by Erdogan.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:07

@ msg 5, Hetty: (...) Cyprus is not his country, the Turks were there before the Greeks, Mr Photiades (...)



Just two innocent questions:

▶ 1 : Is Mr. Photiades a Greek?! Or a Greek speaking Cypriot..?

▶ 2 : "The Turks" ( = Ottoman Turks) arrived in Cyprus in 1570. When did "the Greeks" arrive in Cyprus..?!

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:10

I am sure you cannot wait to correct me once again DC so feel free

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:25

@ msg 7, Hetty: I knew this would be your reaction - that's why I asked two questions. To give you an opportunity to explain that you were right writing your post # 5.



@ msg 5, Hetty: (...) Cyprus is not his country, the Turks were there before the Greeks, Mr Photiades (...)

Twice wrong, Hetty. But I promise not "to correct you" anymore. Some people want to learn, others won't. So be it.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:34

Please stay on topic.

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:45

DC shove it up your jacksey, I really do not care for your attitude, you are a self important little twit.



Apologies for being rude moderators but frankly I am not a child and will not be spoken to as if I were.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:53

In fairness D/C is just correcting your wrong statement

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 20:58

phil there are ways and there are ways and I will tolerate him.

erolz


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 21:00

hetty your comment that "Cyprus is not his [Photos Photiades] country, the Turks were there before the Greeks" was and is just plain incorrect on so many levels and I say that as a (part) Turkish Cypriot.



Cyprus is just as much 'his' country as it is mine and that is true despite the FACT that greek culture has a much longer historical presense in Cyprus than Turkish / Ottoman cultrue does and that Greek Speaking Cypriots have been in Cyprus longer than Turkish speaking ones and have always been the larger community populations wise as well.



If you say such plainly incorrect things on a forum like this, then expect them to be corrected.

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 21:03

erolz I do not mind being corrected at all infact the way you have explained that to me is factual and polite, DC is just a rude little man.

Visitor


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 21:05

I think the EU has far bigger concerns. The Italians are back in crisis today and the ROC is fighting for its

financial survival.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 21:05

@ msg 10, Hetty: What a sad, childish reply, madam. You wrote nonsense about an interesting post - and now you are angry with me! Your view on the South is not based on much knowledge. Well, my last word to you in this thread.



Back on topic.

From msg 4: (...) Photiades said Turkey’s Achilles heel was Europe and that as an equal partner in the bloc we should exploit this to our advantage and demand our EU rights which Turkey had an obligation to implement.

▶ Let's listen to the South Cyprus tone when this country has to ask Brussels to save them (also) with a loan. Inevitable.

hetty


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 23:05

DC are you the forum bully, most forums have at least one, now toddle off there's a good chap lol.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 23:11

I'd dare them (both sides) to stop the 'talks' and close the crossing points.

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
02/08/2011 23:57

Talk is cheap actions speak louder than words. No Action, No solution, No hope, and No Wonder

gooligan


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 00:23

DC,the Ottoman Turks may have ruled from 1570 but I dont think they just 'arrived' as you claim,given that you can see Cyprus from the Turkish coast some must have arrived well before then.

I have a book somewhere called The Cyprus Question which has some very interesting statistics regarding the population percentages TC v GC pre 1890,a recommended read.



Sal,closing the crossing points isn't an option,as MM has pointed out many times.

Roomy


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 00:37

Any solution has to include a coalition of sorts but working under one flag.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 06:31

@ msg 20, gooligan: (...) DC,the Ottoman Turks may have ruled from 1570 but I dont think they just 'arrived' as you claim,given that you can see Cyprus from the Turkish coast some must have arrived well before then. (...)

▶ From 1191 (conquest by Richard I Plantagenêt, the "Lionheart", start of the Frankish rule in Cyprus) until 1570 there may have been some Turkish slaves in Cyprus; after raids on the opposite coast. In general they (Moslims) were not welcome at all in Roman Catholic/Orthodox Cyprus.



@ msg 20, gooligan: (...) I have a book somewhere called The Cyprus Question which has some very interesting statistics regarding the population percentages TC v GC pre 1890,a recommended read. (...)

▶ I have the book and have read it. In my reply above I cover the situation from 1191-1570. I can recommend "The Turks in Cyprus", which covers the situation from about 1570 on.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 08:01

@ msg 22: Gooligan, we (mainly I) are taking the thread of topic - against my own 'personal rule'. If you are interested to exchange/compare views, figures and facts about the Turks in Cyprus we could start a new thread.

CJtill


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 10:24

Does it really matter who was here back in them dark and distant days, as all that really matters is whats happening NOW.

And whats happening now is a lot of talking by all participants (behind the scenes) so that something can be cobbled together.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 10:42

@ msg 24, CJtill: (...) Does it really matter who was here back in them dark and distant days, as all that really matters is whats happening NOW. (...)

▶ Yes, it does matter. How can you understand (the outcome of) 'the talks' (your "NOW") if you don't know the history of 2004, 1974, 1960, 1878 - to name just a few main problem dates. Todays biggest problem in Cyprus is not an isolated incident from yesterday afternoon.

hetty


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 10:52

DC why do you make your posts so difficult to read, is it really necessary to use brackets, simple answer NO, you are just a very difficult man, I pity those nearest to you.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 11:10

@ msg 26, hetty: Don't read my posts if they are too difficult for you. Or complain to the moderators about my poor command of the English language.



@ msg 24, CJtill: (...) Does it really matter who was here back in them dark and distant days, as all that really matters is whats happening NOW. (...)



▶ Yes, it does matter. How can you understand (the outcome of) 'the talks' (your "NOW") if you don't know the history of 2004, 1974, 1960, 1878 - to name just a few main problem dates. Todays biggest problem in Cyprus is not an isolated incident from yesterday afternoon.

negativenick


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 11:36

thread now blighted by DC...



when o when is his board going to be up and running ?

Enchanted


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 12:12

Come on guys and girls. Most of us know a little about a lot of things. but not much about anything.

Should we be wrong about the facts, then its fine to be corrected. Isn't that the way we learn.

Ok, Hans doesn't suffer fools lightly, nor is he the most tactful of individuels, however I find him extreamly imformative, generous with his time, and although we have only met a few times I know if i was in trouble I know he would help me.

Time to get of my soap box

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 12:51

I know Hans and I know his typical blunt, dry Dutch sense of humour. Treat it as water off a duck's back.

yrys88


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 12:57

Hey , I have an idea ! Before the turks there were greeks on the island right. Who was it before that, oh yeah there were people from the Levants, possibly Iraqis! They deserve the petrol. Actually before that were dinosaurs, oh no wait, you know who really deserves it, Prokaryotes! Yes! The issland should be handed over to the Prokaryotes..

Visitor


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 13:05

I agree with Enchanted. Its a process of learning. Lets not forget we are far closer to each other Greek and Turkish Cypriot then perhaps we like to admit. Prior to the 50's most of us Cypriots spoke Greek. There was a campaign in the 60's for Turkish Cypriots to learn and speak Turkish.



Under Ottoman rule many Christians including Orthodox and Latins converted to Islam for tax purposes.

Because we are Greek and Turkish Cypriots it does not mean that we are all descended from Greece and Turkey.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 13:20

@ msg 31, yrys88: (...) Before the turks there were greeks on the island right. Who was it before that, oh yeah there were people from the Levants, possibly Iraqis! (...)

▶ Very witty. I can't help it, but you are wrong also. Before the (Ottoman) Turks there were Frankish rulers on the island (1191) and a Greek speaking population - who were Greek speaking Byzantines (until 1191) living on Cyprus.

Before them the island was populated mainly from the Greek speaking Aegean Islands and also most probably from what is now Turkey and very few from the Levant.



But hey! what do I care to give historic facts and figures on this board and especially in this thread. No more. Use your own facts and figures about Cyprus and ridicule yourself - so I don't have to do it.

yrys88


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 13:27

I never said '' in that order '', I was briefly stating the silliness of the serious conversation you all seems so wrapped up in!

yrys88


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 13:34

Oh yeah, and thanks for the compliment!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 13:39

Well if Mr PP got his way he could distribute his on island brewed Carlsberg island wide, too !



Not sure what he expects..

waddo


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 13:46

Why oh why do we always have to go down the "My dad is bigger than your dad" route? I am sure that out in the world there must be hundreds of very well educated people who can argue for days on what was the truth of the past and who got here first, it has no bearing on the issue as far as I can see.



Go back in time far enough to find the race of the original settlers in Cyprus then hand the country back to the Vikings!!!!



The whole thing is about NOW and the rest is just good excuses as to why one side or the other should have some of it, none of it or all of it. It is like this: In 1954 Stanley Mathews almost scored a goal - if he had then XXXX would have won the FA cup - BUT HE DID'NT - the arguments go on about what should happen now because of what never happened then - Cyprus in a stadium!!!



Let the talks continue and the issue - current - be resolved, if a local businessman is that good at solving the problem - why is he not the president???

Troodo


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 13:58

Turkey lost Cyprus for taking the wrong side in ww1, in other words she lost it due to an act of war. Did any Turk get his land back? Cyprus lost the North to what the GC's call an act of war – where is the difference please?

hetty


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 14:08

DC msg 27, I did not direct my original post to you but you felt it necessary to inject your opinion, I didn't ask for it and neither do I want it.



Now I understand you think you are think you are superior, trust me, you are just an old, sad boring fart, please do not respond to my posts again and we can both get on with our lives.



Good day to you and yours.

Enchanted


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 16:01

Hetty, For goodness sake just leave it be. If you post on any message board you will not always like peoples reaction. Don't take things so seriously. Insulting people back only undermines your own character, thus reducing peoples respect for you.

hetty


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 17:13

Excuse me but I did not start any problems here, Jeez what is wrong with you people, you all seem to be spoiling for a fight, if living in the TRNC does that to you I think I would be better off elsewhere.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 17:58

@ msg 5, hetty: (...) Excuse me but I did not start any problems here, (...)

▶ I'm beginning to like your style and tactics! You really deserve an answer. You are very new here and you seem to think that a post with two errors on C44 can be written without any comment, don't you? You're wrong.



You wrote this line in msg 5 (including two errors): "Cyprus is not his country, the Turks were there before the Greeks, Mr Photiades can shout as loud as he wants, he won't be heard by Erdogan." Explain to me what I did wrong with my

"Just two innocent questions:

▶ 1 : Is Mr. Photiades a Greek?! Or a Greek speaking Cypriot..?

▶ 2 : "The Turks" ( = Ottoman Turks) arrived in Cyprus in 1570. When did "the Greeks" arrive in Cyprus..?!"



P.S. All ladies are women, but not all women on C44 are ladies (Old chinese saying).

Roomy


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 18:04

Boer, it is nice that everyone sees you for what you are hahahahahahaha...

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 18:11

correcting an error is one thing - insulting someone is another

Certain people are always ready to put people down, if they do not understand or agree with a comment they just insult them for their spelling, grammer or anything else the can get at them for.

Freedom of speach is something that we brits grew up with and accept as our right, sadly there are others that do not benefit from this logic.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 18:16

Grammer = grammar. the = they. Speach = speech. brits = Brits. I don't need your repeated lessons, HildySmith.

Geejay


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 18:36

CJtil is right there is no point in looking too far back in the past for help in arriving at a solution.



DC it is immaterial if Hittites, Assyrians, Egyptians, Persians, Rashiduns, Umayyads, Lusignans, Venetians, British or Ottomans ruled here in the past.

Hans...Your love of history is leading this off topic. Stop it ! It's boring !



Quite frankly it also doesn't matter one jot what this so called "top businessman" Photos Photiades thinks or says. No doubt he would benefit greatly financially if what he wanted were to happen. Probably cause a war as well.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
03/08/2011 18:39

Can we please stay on topic.