Gary Robb and expats and Afrika newspaper

delbanco


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
07/08/2011 18:32

Upon sudden handing Gary Robb to South side, a relatively new public opinion was formed. According to daily Afrika newspaper(sometime this week), those North Cyprus expats who have worked or touched with Gary Robb (in property affairs) would face prosecution problems if they cross to the south. Is it true? Is my fear justifiable? What is legitimate about Afrika's news about expats who live in North Cyprus? Do they have any clue which other English language newspapers do not have in North Cyprus? Because, I have not seen any news about this issue in English language newspapers, be it Cyprus Today or Star, in North Cyprus. Can anyone please say something on it? What are authorities on about in both sides? Is there any recent move? I am mixed up very bad.

Marilyn


Joined: 29/08/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
07/08/2011 19:08

Expatriate owners of North Cyprus property have always been warned about carrying property title deeds or house plans with them when they cross the border. Many expats fly into Larnaca, then cross the border to the north. The Greek Cypriot border police were quite keen on searching travellers' bags in 2005/6, but since then things have been easier. This advice refers to all TRNC property owners and not just customers of Gary Robb.

You can read about our latest opinion on the forthcoming Gary Robb trial at

http://www.north-cyprus-property.org/gary_robb_show_trial.htm

Marilyn

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
07/08/2011 19:13

HAS LES GIVEN OUT ANY TITLE DEEDS YET, WE ARE STILL AWAITING AN ANSWER ON THIS MATTER

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
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Message Posted:
07/08/2011 20:20

Check out the British Foreign Office website

it explains all there

zerochlor


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Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
07/08/2011 21:31

Good post philbailey



Im glad i took notice of it !

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 09:53

deblanco - The English language newspapers seem to have reduced the amount of property related articles since Akfinans Bank has threatened or isssued writs against them. (K5)



The purchasers of Aga properties who did not complete the purchase because they were defrauded have nothing to worry about despite certain posters trying to 'scare monger' on that topic. THey do not have the KOcan and they never trespassed.



AFRIKA NEWSPAPER is right. Therre are some who were heavily involved in the Company, Directors of both Aga Developent and Aga Finance who should be cautious when travelling to any EU COUNTRY. If your name appears on any paperwork related to the Companies, be very careful.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 10:07

Read the FO advice then you will see if you purchased it, or even rent it in the eyes of the Roc you have broken the law.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 11:10

If you complete a purchase, yes, if you were defrauded of your money on the promise of a villa that never materialised, you did not. To complete a purchase by making a final paymentm receiving a villa complete with title deeds, until then it is not yours and the person still on the title deed is still the legal owner. Witness how many mortgages have been declared legal because, those who thought they owned it did not and the one named of the Kocan was able to use it as security. It is the same in the south, ask the 40,000 expats there who now find they cannot get their title deeds because the builder has a mortgage on the property.

andyb


Joined: 19/07/2010
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 12:18

Could someone explain please. If any builder who has built property in Northern Cyprus and is either a british builder or a Turkish cypriot builder would they be liable for arrest if their details were obtained by the greek cypriots.

If the answer is yes, then any British builder who has cheated any purchaser during the buying proceedure, could be reported to the Greek Cypriot authorities and consequently arrested, and any of the builders representatives in N/Cyprus including any estate agents involved.

And any turkish Cypriot director although safe withing Northern cyprus, will be subjected to arrest when entering any European country.

Any person with a grievence against the builder may consider notifying the ROC. If i was a builder in N/Cyprus I would now be very worried indeed.



All the best Andyb.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
08/08/2011 12:35

Sounds logical to me andyb, but logic and Cyprus does not always work.

andyb


Joined: 19/07/2010
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 12:02

I have noticed that my questions at message nine as failed to attract an answer and is now well down the pecking order. I will try once more before calling time up. i would like someone like 6ms ? to answer if he has any opinion on this matter. I am sure it will be important to all the buyers needing a way forward against the builders who have completely ignored all polite requests to rectify the problems.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 13:23

If you have a purchase agreement / contract you entered into a purchase, simple. Just because you didn't get or were defrauded out of the final product that doesn't mean your innocent.



Why don't you just be honest and say you purchased that so called exchange land because it was cheap and you didn't care that it belonged to a GC somewhere.

Stop making excuses for yourselves. You knew what you were buying and the possible outcome to what may happen.

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 13:24

I think its a very interesting question and I'm sue someone out there can give you an answer.



Art

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
09/08/2011 15:16

Blade message 12



Spot on.



I, unlike a lot of folk ,admit I bought in TRNC because it was cheap(in theory, in practise it worked out not so cheap). If I had the money I would have bought in Portugal. In buying cheapo, I knew that cheapness comes at a price both practically and morally which is why it ill behoves us to complain about the morality of TRNC establishment stealing property back or refusing to give what we have paid for in the first place.Anyone who says they didnt know what the situation ,is either stupid or in a state of denial.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 16:40

Very honest msg14,



very refreshing

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 19:27

several 'posters refer to the question of "ownership"



yes, some gc former residents have deeds or similar,

and may have owned the scrubland or building etc



yes this "ownership" has been tested theoretically and

been found legally applicable, although unenforceable



yes should there ever be an agreed conclusion to the

partition of cyprus, transfers, swops, compo may apply



no, any new persecution of residents in the north will not

restore posession to any single claimant in south cyprus



no, current ex-pats have in no way deprived anyone of

anything whatsover and need feel no pangs of guilt at all



no action/inaction by current occupiers will bring re-unification

dreams closer, even if it still remains a theoretical possibility



and most of the rest including robb's show trial is all cant

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 19:29

Msg 16, where you the orams advisor?

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 19:51

You got us all blade, we all give up, get the paddy wagon ready, we are all off to the south to be incarcerated for our crimes against the Greek Cypriot people, wonder if we'll pass the paddywagon on it's way up with all the those who have bought or are living on Turkish Cypriot land in the south. Of course we'll have to double up to include all those Turkish Cypriots who sold the land knowing it wasn't morally or legally theirs to sell. Blimey I hope the RoC have enough room for us all.



Hope they got enough loos to go round.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 19:58

message 17:



phil, please re-read my posting again, but far more carefully!



the solitary orams' case did indeed re-assert apostolides' title,

according to south cyprus and eu legal opinion, but north cyprus

expats can sleep safely since the court immediately afterwards

redirected new property claims to turkey, via the IPC which

itself shuts down in eighteen weeks time



...unfortunate mr a. will never live in the property as you should know



so the much-trumpeted "law" is not so much an ass as unenforceable



but legal manoevers and parallel threats are a useable if devious

method of trying to scare new investors away, but mainly exist to

pretend to south cyprus voters that something is being done about

the "cyprob" when of course nothing really can be, except compromise



in fact north cyprus and its currant occupants are unassailable as long

as turkey's involvement continues to progress



understand now?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 20:03

Msg19, please tell that citizen Mr Robb(trnc)



I am sure he will be happy with your explanation



as will the Orams

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 20:44

Mrs Blade (mess 12)



You really don't like Aga Victims do you? now I wonder why!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 22:20

Was it exchange land ?

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 17:43

philbailey,



you seem not to realize the orams case was a legal "dead end"



the robb trial may scare off eu developers, though not russians

but what with the blockade and credit crisis I just cannot see

there are any new ones on the horizon, apart from the handful

concluding existing developments



as regards private individuals buying up land or resales,

this is an ideal time, with very low prices and high availability



...if you really want to "help" greek cyprus sharpen up your act

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 12:16

I am sure the Orams are very happy

as you say the IPC is closing soon



then what ?

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 12:38

Thank you for your honesty Girne29.

Some people just need to stop crying into their beer and face up to the truth of what they chose to get themselves involved in.



Missunderstood, i am sure they have a room waiting with your name on it. Anytime you need a lift just let me know.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 12:38

andre



"as regards private individuals buying up land or resales,



this is an ideal time, with very low prices and high availability"



You forgot to mention "and a significant degree of risk"



Paul

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 19:22

fiendishpaul,



"....and a significant degree of risk"



couldn't agree more, as far as crooked developers inhabit the island,

under-capitalised, mortgaged up to the hilt builders and the general

run-of-the-mill mediterranean rip-off of foreign buyers is concerned



perhaps you mean greek cypriot manoevers to scare naiive punters?



that is laughable, just look at some of the stupid postings from their

whining supporters on this'board, the barrack-room lawyers and the

dreamers, the unprofessional hacks and turk-haters



I grant you there are warnings and there are perceived risks but do

consider the real balance of power....and think it all out for yourself

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 19:33

andre_514



what's with the 'former' re ownership in msg 16



You HAVE been paying atttention in ECHR case classes, haven't you?.. Sadly, it would appear not...



Until the IPC window is closed and a new ruling is made that the GCs have had their chance - ANY GC with title as of July 74 is STILL the legal owner - that is a no brainer.... WHY you persist it disagreeing with ECHR rulings eludes me as more as the STUPIDITY f GCs for picking and choosing the same august bodies rulings...



As to what they should / could DO about it.. that was also a no brainer..



I think more disenfranchised GCs should have read your posts and there might have been longer queues ;)

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 20:14

mark message 28:



"former ownership" ?!?



please refer to message 16 line two, the phrase used was actually "former residents"



I do not refer to such people as "former owners" since many claim to have deeds,

although people without possession may not expect to benefit from technical ownership



a seminal court ruling of january 2010 not only refers greek cypriot claimants to the IPC

but accords current occupiers (who may well hold trnc title) new assurances concerning

security of tenure



finally you once again refer to a lost opportunity for many gc's in the count-down to 15th

december as "there might have been longer queues"



this is the classic no-brainer of all time, being a sad comment on blinkered vision:



sacrificing their pervasive domination of cyprus in '74 by a sinister but cack-handed

fascist coup, and then rejecting the 2004 compromise solution you campaigned for,

their prospects for displacing the mass of foreign ex-pats are zero