Question about border crossing

InspironDream


Joined: 10/08/2011
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 15:50

Hi ppl,



I have a question regarding military service. I'm British, however my grandparents on my mothers side only were born in Cyprus. I've sorted out my stay and everytime I enter/leave N.Cyprus there's a note which they read at the airport which sais "this person is not a n.cypriot citizen, isn't permitted to do military service." I'm allowed to stay for 90 days.



I've recently been visiting S.Cyprus and I realized that they issue me 90 days each time I enter/leave back to N.Cyprus. Are they giving me 90 days each I enter the KKTC or 90days per year? I'm not sure how this thing is working.



Many Thanks.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 15:59

90 days each entry is the usual.

InspironDream


Joined: 10/08/2011
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:08

Thanks for the reply pugwash! appreciated.

mimijones


Joined: 10/08/2011
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:08

pls how do i get to the south side. american embassy? i have an appointment there on 17th june i am nigerian in famagusta , what are the requirements

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:12

re msg 1



It ISN'T a border - it's a UN designated crossing point ... ;)



I know... it's boring to correct all the time.. but that's how the 'real world' call it ...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:13

re msg 4



Unless you entered Cyrus via a 'recognised port of entry' - i.e. via the 'south' and have a current RoC visa I'm afraid you can't cross :(

InspironDream


Joined: 10/08/2011
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:21

sorry, I meant the UN DESIGNATED CROSSING POINT

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:27

No mmmmmm in the real world we call it a border as de-facto that is what it is.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:45

Pugwash



I live in a de jure world.... ;)

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 16:51

Good for you mmmmmm, pretty well everyone else lives in a de-facto world and just gets on with it.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 17:04

Actually, Pugwash... pretty well 'everyone else' is the members of the UN who respect the security council resolutions...

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
10/08/2011 17:11

Yeah just like Israel and others. You and Ban can live in your rose tinted bungalow together "Chez de jure"

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 17:20

mess 12 - Hogwash - Hotel manger ??



must be on its knees - you're on cy44 all the time.............

Pugwash


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Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 17:22

What is a manger NN ? is it like a Monger?

pc4854


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 243

Message Posted:
10/08/2011 18:59

In all the years I have been on this earth and it is a considerable number, the only place that I have ever had to show my passport is at a border. It might be a UN crossing point to you 6xm but in the times I have crossed it I have only shown my passport to a GC or a TC Border Policeman. Surely if it is a UN crossing point it should only be a UN representative. If in doubt best to keep head in the clouds.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 00:10

re msg 15



pc4854



You've clearly never lived.... ;)



You have to show passports to open bank accounts, to pay by credit card in many Spanish shops, to get CRB checks... and I don't think they are at 'borders' either... !



It IS a UN designated crossing point.. to 'argue it isn't is plain silly ..calling it a 'border' is a political expression for supporting a TC nation...



You show id to a CYPRIOT policeman - in the case of entering the 'rump' RoC via the UK's SBA or 'direct' into the areas where the recognised govt can exercise effective control - it is merely the first point where implementation of EU immigration / customs can take place.. it is NOT a border to the UK / EU /UN..



>> Surely if it is a UN crossing point it should only be a UN representative<<



Why ? They simply got agreement between Turkey and the RoC where the cease-fire was and where folks could cross

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 01:43

BE WARNED,



THE NUMBER OF DAYS SHOULD BE PER YEAR NOT PER VISIT AND IF YOU OVERSTAY YOU WILL HAVE DO EITHER FULL OR PAID MILITARY. BE WARNED AS YOU WONT BE ABLE TO LEAVE EITHER.

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 01:56

I can confirm that Cyprus does have borders,



As there is barb wire in the middle with mine and there are flags each end of each side.



There is a real border that can be confirmed for sure, but as the North is not recognised the international community call it a line but in anyones real nacked eye it can be agreed that there is an border



http://www.uwec.edu/Geography/Ivogeler/Travel/International-fortified-%20borders/IKV%20Cyprus%20border/target4.html



http://www.uwec.edu/Geography/Ivogeler/Travel/International-fortified-%20borders/IKV%20Cyprus%20border/target5.html

http://www.uwec.edu/Geography/Ivogeler/Travel/International-fortified-%20borders/IKV%20Cyprus%20border/target8.html

pc4854


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 243

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 09:26

6m's re message 16. I do have a life thank you, a very nice life even away from this forum. When I opened my various bank accounts I certainly did not have to show a passport, things like that were not necessary in those days. I do not use a credit card in shops in Spain or anywhere else, I use a debit card and have never, ever been asked for proof of identity. Herewith a dictionary definition of the word BORDER, as you will be able to see, even the area between England and Scotland is defined as a border. Cyprus has a border between the two communities.



border  

noun

1. the part or edge of a surface or area that forms its outer boundary.

2. the line that separates one country, state, or province

3. the district or region that lies along the boundary line of another.

4. the border,

a. the border between the U.S. and Mexico, especially along the Rio Grande.

b. (in the British Isles) the region along the boundary between England and Scotland

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 09:51

pc4854



You simply wasted your energy typing .. there is no 'border' in that the UN only recognise one nation in Cyprus.. SIMPLE..

pc4854


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 243

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 10:01

6m's. It is impossible to express a view to someone wjho has already decided that they do not wish to understand the other persons view point. To argue with you would seem to be a pointless task. If as you say the local population here are "Cypriots", why is it that the Turkish flag and the Greek Flag are so prominent on either side of the BORDER. Does this not suggest that there are two separate communities, in which case they can not both be "Cypriots" in the sense that you suggested. The term "Cypriot" should mean that all are equal within their country and clearly this is not the case and has not been the case since 1960.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
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Message Posted:
11/08/2011 16:10

pc4854

I think that 6xM does understand your viewpoint. He is merely pointing out that technically it cannot be classed as a 'border' as the island is only recognised as being a single country by the international community. Turkey and the TRNC might consider it a 'border' but in the eyes of the UN, it is a crossing point. Simples



Regards



Paul

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 16:15

Msg 22, spot on

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 17:44

Hi 6m,



"You simply wasted your energy typing .. there is no 'border' in that the UN only recognise one nation in Cyprus.. SIMPLE.. "

Point taken that the UN only recognise one nation in Cyprus - so why have a crossing point? Where are you crossing from to?

If the UN do not recognise two nations then to come from one side of the Island to the other is not possible - after all, how can you move from nowhere to somewhere?

Of course if there are two nations then you would need a border to seperate them - that would make sense!

I seems to be just a simple UN engineered seperation line which prevents co-operation between two peoples from growing and progressing towards a peaceful and happy life for both.

Guess that makes the UN the real reason that there has never been a solution to the problem in this single nation. Not picking on the UN troops, just the leaders, the troops are happy to have their postings extended to July next year - wonder why???

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 18:22

Of course it's a border. Whatever the UN or anyone else pedantically says. Forget the semantics.



If you have to produce your passport to be inspected and stamped for entry and exit.... if you can be searched by customs for contraband, if you can be arrested for illegal entry.... then it's a border.

Simples !

tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 18:22

Ref msg 24. How many UNFICYP tours have you completed on 'the line'? It's a "sierra hotel one tango" tour of duty away from family and friends for 6+ months, doing nothing constructive and losing skills and drills which have to be re-learnt on return to proper duties. The troops are not happy, but I suspect the UN CIVPERS are over the moon with their luxury hotel accommodation, overseas allowances, generous leave and doing nothing constructive. Do I sound cynical - nah!!

tomsteel


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Posts: 482

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 18:23

ps, did anybody manage to answer the original question with factual advice?

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 18:28

I think it will depend if his g/parents were t/c or g/c

not racist but different rules

best bet is contacting the embassies

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 18:42

tomsteel, only the one I am sorry to say - Feb 1965 thru to May 1965 then sent to Borneo as they were short of radio staff. Lived in Nicosia with a service family and worked in RAF Nicosia for a short time then on the sad and silly patrols through the city - Rosies Bar was the place to be if you could speak Danish but the place to be even if you could not. Can't remember being paid anything extra or having a fine old time myself and was glad to leave as being a target (not being allowed to return any fire) did not appeal to me even at that young age. The comment about extending the service till July - wonder why should be looked at in a bit more depth - it is not a knock against the UN troops on the ground it is a question about turn around times and why they have suddenly been extended when there is no real need.

pc4854


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 243

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 19:49

Quite right Waddo, I only did the one tour too, Feb 64 til June same year, we arrived as the British Army and became the UN Force. As a military Policeman I was so to speak in the front line when it came to incidents and although my Landrover had no bullet holes in it, certainly my friends did. We were issued with revolvers, the standard weapon for RMP and a case of 12 rounds of .38 ammunition which was sealed. Wow betide the NCO who returned with the seal broken. (Can you imagine coming across an incident and one having to decide if you should break the seal and then have to load the weapon in order to survive) Even then the border existed, as you drove through Nicosia the barricades were either manned by GC or TC Policemen. Like you we were paid only Local Overseas Allowance, just a few pence per day. Best wishes from Mike the Printer

pc4854


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 243

Message Posted:
11/08/2011 20:07

Paul Re Message 22. I think where 6 x m's is misunderstanding, is the technicality. The crossing points are probable UN Designated Crossing Points, I have no argument about that BUT that only applies to the crossing points. The rest of it is a border. If not why are the two sides either side of the border not treated with similar respect?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 07:17

pc4854



no misunderstanding on MY part... it is a UN designated cease fire line ... anything more is 'creative thinking'.. pending an proper settlement.

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 09:38

Think I've heard this argument somewhere before........Oh yes, on here every other week!!!

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 16:04

msg 5 Mark- so right - Bloody Boring!!!

Said before the colloquial terminology used by those people who frequent this site is BORDER. Just like the BORDER crossing in the SBA is known as PYLA, because everyone of these people know it as PYLA BORDER crossing.

Most enjoy being different and waiving 2 fingers to all organisations and individuals who do not accept TRNC exists ( like you don't ).



This is a TRNC forum so it will remain BORDER and PYLA.



You and the Bubbles can call it anything you like, but please stop telling us what we have to call it according to the gospel of St MMMMMM.

The opinion of the half wits at the UN who couldn't seriously run a party in a brewery doesn't count like the rest of their unhelpful diatribe When they recognise TRNC then just maybe TRNC will recognise things they have to say.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
12/08/2011 17:29

Breezyboy -



>>You and the Bubbles can call it anything you like, but please stop telling us what we have to call it according to the gospel of St MMMMMM. <<



Oh Dear,



1/ Bubbles implies Greeks.. you did mean Cypriots, didn't you ? - The 'Gospel' is a result of a vote... if you don't like it.. why don't they have a new one... ? If they do and 'TRNC' is recognised - THEN it will be a border...



2/ The opinion of the half wits at the UN who couldn't seriously run a party in a brewery doesn't count..





Just to remind you.. the UN is represented by the recognised nations on earth.. I suppose the only 'sensible' government representatives are ones from countries that recognise 'TRNC' ? !



This forum is about 'north Cyprus' ... exactly.. it isn't called 'TRNC'



So, why would you ( incorrectly ) say the crossing point is at Pile ( sorry no TR characters) when it's at Beyarmudu .. at Pyla you cross from the 'Rump' RoC zone to the UN buffer zone...

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 18:03

pc4854



As Mark says, no misunderstanding. The entire Green Line is a UN ceasefire zone, it is not a border for the reasons highlighted in my previous e-mail.



However, if you want to call it a border - feel free



As for the second question, you already know the answer to that one - it's all a question of recognition.



Regards



Paul

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 18:06

I cannot find any "official" definition of a border on the UN website. However many UN documents where North Cyprus is mentioned refer to border crossings or border posts. Even border guards. For instance a UN News Centre paper says "Next Monday the two sides are expected to continue discussions on the implementation of an earlier agreement on a border crossing."

It's probable that the UN would rely on an encyclopedic definition. Mine says "Borders define geographic boundaries of political entities or legal jurisdictions, such as governments, sovereign states, federated states and other subnational entities"."Other borders are partially or fully controlled, and may be crossed legally only at designated border checkpoints. Some, mostly contentious, borders may even foster the setting up of buffer zones (by the UN)."

I don't believe you have to be recognised as a country by the UN to have borders. After all Kosovo and Taiwan incontrovertibly have borders.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 18:38

This is what Wikipedia says. "Northern Cyprus or North Cyprus (Turkish: Kuzey Kıbrıs), officially the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) (Turkish: Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti (KKTC)),[3] is a de facto independent state[4][5][6] located in the northern portion of the island of Cyprus.

With the self-proclamation of the internationally unrecognized Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, the Green Line became its de facto southern border."

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 12:28

The greenline and its regulations are a real life pain in the butt.



I have been putting a point / question to the powers that be, but funnily they won't reply to any emails i send, that includes both north and south along with the SBA and the EU.

Maybe they have an answer? I am thinking they won't reply because they can explain why my EU dog with passport can't cross.

It can enter any other country in the EU with the same documents, but is refused entry to the Roc via the greenline. So much for EU free movement and the greenline not being an external border.

A bird can fly across, a cat or rat can run across, but as for your dog the answer is currently NO ENTRY.

The mess they call the greenline.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 12:35

Blade



I couldn't agree more



Paul