Defibrillator in Lapta area?

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 06:12

The good people of Esentepe have started to raise money for a defibrillator possibly to be kept in the police station. As we know ambulance response times are not wonderful here, so was thinking it might be a good idea to raise money for one to be kept in Lapta police station which would then be of use to Alsancak and Karsiyaka also. The cost is approx £1000 plus the ongoing cost of the single use de-fib pads.

What do the people of these areas think of the idea, and would they be willing to be trained to use this?



Chris

swyflot


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 07:37

Yes, very good idea. They are thinking of putting them in schools now in the UK as small children have died after suffering cardiac arrests / events .

As an ex Ward Manager I would have been happy to do the training but unfortunately I do not live near the areas in question.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 07:43

swyflot,



Might be an idea for you to organise same in Catalkoy, good idea to have one in all areas. I am quite willing to do the training in the Lapta area and I am sure 112 will be on hand if we need them.



Chris

swyflot


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 07:49

I will have a chat with Terry Carter, he is my neighbour

Nicky

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 07:52

Thanks swyflot.



Chris

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 07:56

For the people in Esentepe area who don't go on the Glencoe forum I will put the link on here.



http://glencoecyprus.com/glencoeforum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2056



Chris

martinD41


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 08:20

Good Idea Chris,but if the AED is kept at the respective police station,and brought to the emergence site by them,

Would it not be a good idea for the Police to be trained as well..?

dinner-dave


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 08:21

a very worthy cause, Nurse A

MaggieAndBernie



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 08:21

Great idea Chris! Let me know if I can help with fund raising etc.

Would it be a good idea to train some of the police at Lapta to use it ?



Maggie

martinD41


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 08:32

Maggie, with respect,in training some of the lapta Police,you then rely on that trained bobby being on duty at the right time...

MaggieAndBernie



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 08:41

MartinD41 I think our posts crossed as I didn't see yours when I wrote mine. I notice that in post 7 you suggest that the police be trained - so I don't really get post 10? or is it because I said SOME of the Lapta police instead of ALL of them? In any case this is a worthy and potentially life saving idea Chris has come up with so, with respect, I don't think we should be arguing about the fine details.

Still, if it keeps this post at the top...........



Maggie

hodgeliz


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 08:43

There are posters up in Esentepe and Tatlisu areas for this initiatave and I think the ideas you are all suggesting have all been suggested on the http://www.glencoecyprus.com board already,

And martin I think you are changing a plural to a singular in your post, some of to that 1

hodgeliz


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 08:56

Maggie and bernie with respect & to be fair Chris did not come up with it

MaggieAndBernie



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 09:02

Unbelievable! Msg 13 - "Chris did not come up with it"

She may not have invented the defibrillator, or the idea of keeping one locally, but she is, as far as I know, the first one to come up with the idea of having one in Lapta Police Station! And a very good idea it is too!

Now, instead of all this pedantic nit picking how about some ideas to raise money for it! or donations?



Maggie

hodgeliz


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 09:05

instead of all this pedantic nit picking

Pots and kettles m&b,

martinD41


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 09:17

maggie,I did say in my post 7 that it is a" Good Idea". What concerns me is it's all very well having an AED at the police station,but without" trained" emergency response personnel what good is it ?The Idea is without doubt excellent but in practice somewhat flawed.....I will be donating.

flowerfairy


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 10:30

Good morning Chris,

brilliant idea, count me in. May I suggest that we pay for the training?, I also wouldn't mind being brought

up to date with first aid training. After the year we've had, it's made me realise just how little I know.

Keep up the good work love,

x

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 13:47

Okay everybody before this gets out of hand I will explain myself. Yes I pinched the idea from Glencoe as Greg telephoned me last week about this which got me thinking it would be a good idea to have one here as well.



The AED or defibrillator (whatever you want to call it) would be kept at the police station as it is a central location and open 24 hours a day. The machines themselves are foolproof (not like you see on casualty) They talk to you and tell you whether the person needs shocked or chest compression. And as 'cyprusishome' pointed out in an e-mail to me there well be no need to administer drugs such as epinephrine as that would be done by the ambulance crew or Dr. They are very simple to use but oviously some training would need done e.g. where to put the pads.



To get the ball rolling I am going to talk to Daren and JK's today to see what he can come up with to start raising some money. Maggie will be in touch and anyone else who wants to help please e-mail me (

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 13:48

continued....





on trnchealthcare@gmail.com or phone me tomorrow morning on 0533 884 5621.



Thanks



Chris

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 14:00

Message 7,



The idea of the police station is twofold, firstly as I said location, but there will be times when police are too busy to deal with a cardiac arrest, so then we would have a rota of people (first responders) willing to do this. Also some of the police might not want to get involved especially as the machine will probably talk in English.



In all probability the machine will be very lucky if it is used 6 times a year. (fingers crossed) But could mean the difference between life and death to any one of us.



Chris

martinD41


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 14:23

Chris...I have used one once on site,they are valuable life savers,of that there is no doubt.....CPR is on the other hand something that needs to be taught correctly...would the training include the latest CPR procedures (they change all the time)......Good luck with the Idea.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 14:31

Yes Martin CPR has to be taught correctly and the for that reason I do regular updates (theory) as I need this for my UK registration. There is a really good American site for CPR (theory) I will look later and put the link on here. But of course it needs practice as well, 112 have a resusi-annie (dummy) so will have a chat to them.



Chris

And for anyone who thinks that compressions are easy just wait, a couple of minutes at that and your arms ache!

martinD41


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 14:52

When I was taught it was 15 fast compressions to one breath...and as you say very hard work indeed...but if you can save a life .

Sugarpuffbear


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 14:53

I don't wish to tread on Chris's toes here, but this site is the one we are told to refer to in our village in the UK. It may be of some use or not?



http://www.resus.org.uk/pages/bls.pdf

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 15:19

Hi sugarpuffbear,



A really good site thank you. I am sure lots of people will use your link.



But I am one of those lazy people who get bored reading and therefore I prefer this site as it sends you regular updates, its all video so easier to watch and you don't need to pay unless you want / need a certificate. Also it only deals with one thing at a time i.e. child CPR, adult CPR, etc.



http://www.procpr.org/en/





Chris

teatime


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 17:07

msg 23. 30 to 2 now and yes Chris it is very hard work to keep it up for any length of time, especially I would think in this heat.

Good luck with all your efforts out west with this project.

teatime


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 17:51

Pure coincidence, just checked my e-mails and this link was on one, well worth looking at.

http://medicine.arizona.edu/spotlight/learn-sarver-heart-centers-continuous-chest-compression-cpr

martinD41


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 17:53

teatime... 30 to 2.....is the same as 15 to 1....

JohhnyLee


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 18:04

Chris an excellent idea.



I will gladly do you a fundraiser in this area. In fact the Chef at the beautiful Haci Ali Hotel asked me yesterday about a special Curry Night.



I am sure we could tie something in with one of the Sat. Nights there



If you need me don't hesitate

teatime


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 18:57

martind41, not really, 30 compressions then 2 breaths..not 15 compressions then 1 breath. Quite a big difference really as the most important thing is the compressions.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 19:42

Lee I will e-mail you, just been talking to Daren from JK's and he is 100% behind this as always. But a night at Haci Ali would wonderful as well.



Chris

martinD41


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 20:31

msg30,,,As I said, the "Procedures" change all the time, 15 to 1 was the norm back in the 90s....But if it makes you feel better well done..

cooper


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 20:41

I think its a fabulous idea Chris, your all heart )

Lilli



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 20:52

Great idea Chris, I do however think the police and many others in hotels etc should be trained in first aid. Anyone you deals with the public should. The reason I say this I was in a well known hotel here and a poor guy had an epelectic fit, THe manager just said get that drunk out. I saw what it was a got a spoon and 112. God Girl you could be on a mission forever here. You are so right compressions are not easy.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 21:26

message 33



Cooper Guess what hubby is correct, you are damned if you do or damned if you don't!



Question to all of the members of Cyprus 44 DO YOU WANT THIS OR NOT. I am talking about the Lapta area and guess what the people in Esentepe area would put us all to shame as Karen (who started this) has 100% backing,



Chris



And just to complicate things when I started nursing it was not even mouth to mouth but mouth to nose! yuck

Marion


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 22:20

Chris can't you get together with Greg. I went and had a cchat with them all yesterday and various aspects were discussed. I am doing an article for this week on Greg's side. Couldn't this be a big effort for right across. Greg's dream is for the 6 villages over there. I know another Chris (Chris Gibson) had this idea a few years ago. a defribillator in every village. could not this be done under the 112 banner with Terry Carter . So much to discuss, and I think it is a great idea But can't you all work together, with fund raisers both ends. But hey, that is not up to me, just Chris and Greg talk to ensure that the best possible scenario happens. As they say in 112, the next life you save could be yours!

jenfarrall


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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 22:30

Chris,count us in for any help you need Who knows who is going to need this,great idea.

MaggieAndBernie



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Message Posted:
14/08/2011 22:50

100 % behind you Chris!

Bernie had MI 6 years ago and still worries that he may have another 'episode' despite making major changes to diet, lifestyle etc - one of his doubt about settling here full time is how he would cope being so far from hospital and assistance. Like I said anything I can do to help - you know where I am and also would be glad to do the training in how to use it etc.



Maggie

teatime


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Message Posted:
15/08/2011 09:13

msg 35. Chris, mouth to nose, remember it well. Did you get a chance to watch the link I posted, they are now saying not to bother with breaths at all, as a) most people can't get adequate breaths in to make a difference and b) theres enough oxygen in the system to continue life support, as long as the compressions are maintained.



Msg 34. Lily, the spoon is a complete no no now xx

Isabella


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Message Posted:
15/08/2011 10:59

Is there any special EU funding for small projects which could be accessed within Northern Cyprus from which these defribillators could be purchased?

kayalar_10



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Message Posted:
15/08/2011 11:33

Firstly may I say this is a brilliant idea. I am personally aware of similar projects having been discussed over the last few years by the 112 fund raising committee and the CES(V) (Civilian Emergencey Service (Volunteers). The object to have Responders in each village equipped with an AEDs. The stumbling blocks being: 1. lack of volunteers 2. Cost of equipment.

So any initiative ( immaterial who planted the original seed) towards those goals is very welcomed.

I appreciate this only at the suggestion but I would like to add my thoughts to what needs to be consider at the discussion / planning stages.



1. I know of somebody who has a Laerdal AED trainer we can borrow for demo or training purposes.

2. There should be two Responders (buddy system) on duty/call out at any one time.

3. The AED should be in the possession of the ‘on call’ team (Time is vital – why waste it going to a central pick up point?).



(Cont)

kayalar_10



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Message Posted:
15/08/2011 11:34

Point three has many advantages.

(a) It does not restricted the Responders to living in the immediate vicinity of Lapta Police Station thus hopefully widening the catchment area for volunteers.

(b) Speeds up response times.

(c) The responders will be a position to check the AED is functional on a daily basis.

Just my two penny’s worth.



Rob

martinD41


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Message Posted:
15/08/2011 11:54

msg41...."stumbling blocks"



1,,Lack of Fully trained Volunteers.



2 Cost of equipment.



3 Culpability in the event of failed response or equipment.

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
15/08/2011 14:33

Chris Msg 35 - I am a swallow (as you well know) but count me in.

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
15/08/2011 14:37

Roy Msg 39 - What is the current correct method for some poor soul who is having an epileptic fit?

ray.johnson1



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Message Posted:
15/08/2011 15:34

Great idea, as a retired airline Captain, we carried them on board every flight, would be only too pleased to retrain, am resident in Alsancak, Girne end. Very best of luck with the project.

Pipie


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Message Posted:
15/08/2011 16:14

Lay the person in the recovery position, remove all surrounding items that could possibly cause injury, reassure the person having the seizure, call for assistance On no account put any object in there mouth. Normally the person comes round ok after the seizure, however sometimes the patient may require hospital treatment to stabilise the condition.

Shawood


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Message Posted:
15/08/2011 18:55

Hi Chris



This is nothing but an excellent initiative. The one flaw, in my humble opinion, appears to be the initial idea to keep the defib in a central location. I believe the greatest success rate is achieved when the defib is administered within 2-3 minutes of a patient becoming non responsive. Up to 7 minutes you still have a statistical chance of getting them back. Thereafter I believe the statistics indicate an ever diminishing chance of success. So, as Rob mentioned, speed is of the essence. The central point of storage can only delay the application of, and therefore the chances of a successful outcome. To maximize your chances of success you would need the kit with the relevant on call first aider. Keeping it at the local police station must delay the time taken to administer the treatment to the patient.

Nicky (Swyflot)

I’m in Catalkoy, so would be interested in supporting any initiative over here

Kind Regards

Nigel

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
15/08/2011 19:39

Hi All, - looks like many are having "second thoughts" (I know they are essentially positive with provisos and comments about flaws etc). BUT

Surely a defibrillator within a 4 mile radius of Lapta is better than waiting for an ambulance to travel from and to Girne with a potential corpse! Next thing you will be saying it's no use if we don't have one in every village (nice idea) or to be maybe a little sarcastic in every home!

Please try to come over as positive.

Lets see how we can all help with getting one and having a few people ready and trained to use it. If it's stored at the police station then they can get it to the site where it's needed probably faster than a first aider who has not got "blues and twos" available.

Shawood


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Message Posted:
15/08/2011 20:49

flightholiday, cc all



Sincerely hope that nothing in my post can be construed as having any reservations, however as this element of healthcare requires a prompt response, storing it at the police station doesn't appear to make any sense at all. Certainly a defib in Lapta has to be a positive step. I would humbly suggest that the device should reside with the person trained to ad-minister it. I'm making an assumption here that the first aider would initially attend the patient, to determine if a defib is required?



In any case I'm Catalkoy based, so will keep tabs on defibs here. Wish you all every success with this initiative.



Kind Regards



Nigel

teatime


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 00:03

msg 45. Flightholiday, Pipie in msg 47 has answered the question very well, I would only add that protecting the head from damage with cushions or anything else available is also advisable.

kittyfun


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 07:12

I have to say there is already a defib in the Lapta area with a trained support team I believe,

Teresa


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 07:52

Kittyfun can you please give more details if this is the case. Chris you know i am behind you all the way and think this is a brilliant idea my only concern is the legal aspects if a Brit volunteer was to admister this treatment and the patient still sadly died what could the repurcussions be on that person.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 08:18

message 52,



Where in the Lapta area is the AED and is it available 24hours? I have lived in Lapta for 7 years and this is the first I have heard of it!



Chris



Teresa will e-mail you later as have to go out now.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 09:21

msg53.......... that's were the Culpability/Accountability "stumbling block" manifests itself...Re msg43

Pipie


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 09:48

Realistically training courses to train CPR and basic training in my opinion would be more beneficial.



If for every session of training a volunteer could be recruited to then set up further CPR and basic first aid sessions in a short time you could have enough trainers to cascade all of the first aid knowledge to a majority of the island. When the importance of the need for first aid training reaches establishments such as restaurants, hotels, taxis, schools, etc pretty soon all of this important basic CPR training could be cascaded down to all.

What do others think ?

martinD41


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 09:59

Trouble is pipie, the newly trained, teaching the newly trained, teaching the newly trained..=. Chinese Whispers..



That's why Central Training schools are set up..............

Teresa


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 10:37

Pipie i think that is a very good idea, i have been out of the health system for too many years and so much has changed in that time i need to do a refresher course. Maybe something like this could be run at the same time.

Pipie


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 11:41

MartinD41



This is good if cental training schools have been set up where are they ?



re newly trained if these have passed the appropriate trainers course and are have the certificates to say so would this be a way forward ? even youngsters could be trained in schools .



Kids will do anything for a stickyfoot !(CERTIFICATE )!LOL

Pipie


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 11:50

MartinD41.



Ooops sorry misread you saying training schools should be set up !!



Under ideal circumstances I would agree but with TRNC i suspect this will all be done by the good old volunteers using the resources such as spare rooms, schools, any type of space that can be used as a training base.

tarry67


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 11:59

I can't see the use of the defib being kept at Lapta police station, so agree it should be with whoever is on call that day as mentioned earlier.

There is not a time which is either good or bad to use the defib as it is only any good if the patient is in fibrillation, as you can not start a blue heart (cardiac arrest) without the use of drugs, unlike what you may watch on the tv.

I also wonder what the reaction would be of a Brit going into a muslim home, if this was the case, and baring the chest of the patient if a female to attach the pads, as a bra with wire in would need removing along with necklaces etc.

I think its a good idea and the need for a defib in this area is quite important but I really can't see it working due to the time factor involved reaching a patient and finding an address would be difficult in the first place unless you know every road in the area, but as mentioned if it saves one life then it is worth it.

mamachina


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 12:51

Training - CESV (112) (Terry and Bob) do first response training courses - people say "yes we'll come", and then dont confirm so there are not enough people to make it worth while. CPR is taught and other useful things for first response. When trained you are not a nurse etc, but at least know what NOT to do, whcih sometimes is as important as what to do!! Next time a course is advertised I hope some of the posters on this thread will get themselves along! A day course starter, and then a 3-day. Certificates given from UK.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 13:29

Kayalar 10 re. messages 41 & 42 Can you please e-mail me on trnchealthcare@gmail.com as your e-mail address is not on display. Thanks



Chris

Marion


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 15:40

I believe terry Carter will be doing a course the Essentepe end in September. so anyone that end who wants to learn , especially as they are considering trying to get a defrib into each of the 6 villages that end. they will need volunteers to do the course and to be on the list of defrb operators.

Want to learn more? contact greg on 0533 844 4722

kayalar_10



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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 20:03

re Message 43



' Culpability in the event of failed response or equipment' - In the TRNC there is no problem. In some (most I think) countries there exists the 'Good Samaritan Law'



Good Samaritan laws are laws or acts protecting those who choose to serve and tend to others who are injured or ill. They are intended to reduce bystanders' hesitation to assist, for fear of being sued or prosecuted for unintentional injury or wrongful death.



For more detailed explanation 'goolge it'



Rob

kayalar_10



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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 20:06

Re message 63



email sent



Rob

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 20:53

Thanks Rob,



I have replied.



Chris

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 10:30

Fundraiser now in the progress of being arranged for the 9th September at JK's Lapta as soon as we get all the details will post here.



Also now have a 'committee' made up of people from Kaylar, Alsancak, Lapta and Karsiyaka, first meeting on Friday hopefully, when we can thrash out the logistics involved and work out a strategy for fundraising. Will need raffle prizes so if anyone has something they would like to donate, either post here, e-mail me at trnchealthcare@gmail.com or telephone me on 0533 884 5621 between 9am and 5pm. Thanks.



Chris

Will post on Cyprus44 as events unfold.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 12:15

Chris you may find this handy...





http://www.defibshop.co.uk/training.html

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
18/08/2011 08:22

back to the top.



Chris

flowerfairy


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Message Posted:
18/08/2011 12:18

Chris, sorry i can't make it this Friday, but keep us all informed as to what progress you are making.

Cyprusquest


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Message Posted:
18/08/2011 13:05

Good to hear of some progress seeing as there is so many downers on this thread.

Cyprus8


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Message Posted:
20/08/2011 12:22

For anybody worried about training or other complications, we have just found this link on local news this morning. Hope it gives further piece of mind to those wanting to get involved.



http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/box-tricks-save-life/story-13146840-detail/story.html

Marion


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Message Posted:
20/08/2011 22:50

Good luck to all of you! By the way i am finding increasingly on radio, TV and on another thread here that very few people can say ' defibrillator'. couldn't someone find another, easier name!"? Or a way of making the pronunciation easier such as a 'defi...brill..ator' as it is definitely 'brill' at saving lives.



other suggestions?



O.K. it doesn't matter, especially if it gets people talking and they may then realise how important it is and support all you guys in your endeavours.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
21/08/2011 06:46

Marion,



Easy just call it an AED!



Chris

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
24/08/2011 15:25

Chris Msg 1 - Any more news on the AED / defibrillator? I am sure that some of us would like to know and are like me in full support of any similar ideas that will help all residents, visitors and tourists alike.

MaggieAndBernie



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Message Posted:
25/08/2011 02:57

Just bringing this back to the top!



Date for your diaries:



9th September at JK's Lapta Fund raiser for AEDs

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
26/08/2011 06:45

Back to the top for anyone who has missed this.



Chris

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
04/09/2011 21:24

Lots of interest in this - but at present if I'm right only 51 TL in the kitty that's not even the price of a meal out!

If that is all your life is worth then why does Chris bother? I value mine and my family/friends far more than that. Come on less wrangling please lets try to get a decent sum of money together for more than one machine in more areas.

spider


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Message Posted:
04/09/2011 21:32

Although I am all for this. I would also like to have a street name and know that I am on the map so to speak ! And I also feel that a lot of others are not on the map.We found this out when we went to get all the paper work for our residency...anyone else in the same situation with this one ?



Keeping it to the top anyway





Spider,X

hodgeliz


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Message Posted:
04/09/2011 21:42

For anybody in the East of Girne towards Esentepe/Tatlisu the http://www.glencoecyprus.com forum are raising funds as well and they have enough in their kitty now for two it looks like, there is a big do on the 21st October at Joyas in Kucuk erenkoy that they are calling D-DAY tickets are 25tl each and it is a sit down two course meal with entertainment, its all on their forum

Good luck to all of you

Marion


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Message Posted:
04/09/2011 21:50

referring back to the question of pronunciation - i don't have a problem, as usual it is all the others! But now i don't know what an AED is? Please explain.

and I think it is fab that right across the island now things are being done on acquiring these machines (notice I avoided both defibrillators and AED's?).

I am sure the event on the 9th will bring in good funds - the raffle prizes sound superb, and well done to Greg and co his side for their heads start.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
05/09/2011 01:01

What is an AED/



Automated external defibrillators are generally either held by trained personnel who will attend events or are public access units which can be found in places including corporate and government offices, shopping centres, airports, restaurants, casinos, hotels, sports stadiums, schools and universities, community centers, fitness centers, health clubs, workplaces and any other location where people may congregate.

AED is a portable electronic device that automatically diagnoses the potentially life threatening cardiac arrhythmias and is able to treat them through the application of electrical therapy which stops the arrhythmia, allowing the heart to reestablish an effective rhythm.



AEDs are designed to be simple to use for the layman, and the use of AEDs is taught in many first aid, first responder, and basic life support (BLS) level CPR classes.

Marion


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Message Posted:
05/09/2011 01:09

Beautiful! thanks Bradus.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
05/09/2011 01:16

Most AED are automated and will pick up the heart rhythm and inform the user if there is a requirement to "shock" the patient. They are most effective when used within the first two minutes of the cardiac arrest. As you can see they are generally placed in areas where people congregate. I noticed them on busy streets and squares during our holiday in France this year. With many of the bar/shop owners listed as the first aiders.



The success of this is to some extent dependent on where it is placed. Obviously they need to be at hand and running five minutes down the street is not going to be very beneficial. Time is of the essence. So much so that in most wards all nurses are trained to use them rather than wait for doctors. Research suggesting that speed of delivery increased the chance of survival. Police might benefit from it being placed there but not necessarily the neighbourhood because of the time limit.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
05/09/2011 01:22

Obviously most are now portable so can be transported to events and activities where large crowds will be gathered.



Does it not make more sense to do something also about ambulance responses and better street directions? Education and training of as many people as possible in CPR. Portable ambu bags?

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
19/09/2011 00:46

Chris Msg 1 - AED / defibrillator for Lapta - How's it coming, have you enough people to train, how much more cash is needed and have you found a home for it?

martinD41


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Message Posted:
19/09/2011 09:59

Have Lapta got their AED yet?

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
19/09/2011 11:56

From JK's end of summer ball we raised 3100 tl plus I recieved a donation of £100 from 'Just wishing' who is a Cyprus 44 member



I think we have 900tl to come from the Black Olive fundraiser. Which will make a total of 4000tl plus the £100.



Approx cost for each AED is £1000 plus cost of training AED is £250 approx.



So still a long way to go yet, and No Martin we don't have the defib yet.



Chris

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
19/09/2011 12:05

Sorry forgot to add that I have still a donation of 55tl to pick up from another C44 member at the Old Mill in Ozankoy. Not sure where this is though if someone could please post directions thanks.



Chris

Cyprusquest


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Posts: 428

Message Posted:
19/09/2011 12:19

Msg 90 - sorry don't know however



Come on Cyprus44 members in North Cyprus. Surely one life is worth more than £1250.00 is it not?



Start asking people you know even if you cant contribute very much maybe they can. Let Chris know here.

Cyprusquest


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Message Posted:
06/10/2011 13:02

What news Chris? Hvae you got eneough money from the members to get one defib yet?

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
06/10/2011 13:16

Hi Cyprusquest,



I should have posted on here before now, I am in communication with a company in Turkey who are sending me all the information and may even be able to purchase 2 soon. The thing is the more we buy the better the discount. So need to do one or two more fundraisers and then get them sent from Ankara.



Anyone who wants to see the information I have from the company is welcome, if they e-mail me on trnchealthcare@gmail.com I will forward it on. Especially welcome input from anyone who is technically minded.



Chris

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
06/10/2011 13:25

I think SugarpuffBear might have some experience email him. You will have my cash tomorow

numpty


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Message Posted:
06/10/2011 19:11

Hi Chris i wouldn't mind being trained

Sugarpuffbear


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Message Posted:
06/10/2011 23:51

Flightholiday



I have been in touch with Nurseawful a couple of times already, discussing the defibrillators. I will help if I can.

hodgeliz


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Message Posted:
07/10/2011 08:14

Chris you say in message 89 cost of training will be £250,



Approx cost for each AED is £1000 *plus cost of training AED is £250 approx*.



or am I misreading it ??



it seems a tad hefty to charge that amount for training on something that needs little or no training and 112 dont charge anything like that for a 3 day course of first aid training

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
07/10/2011 08:35

Message 97



I think you misread, I meant the cost of a training AED is approx £250 this is a machine which will not deliver a charge (a dummy)



I am at present now in communication with a company who make AED's in Turkey and they are going to be less than £1000.



Chris

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
07/10/2011 18:47

Many thanks to Flightholiday (Tom) for a donation of £20 today.



Chris

trailfinder


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Message Posted:
07/10/2011 19:12

first of all I have not waded all the way through this thread. However it does seem odd to me that both sides of Girne cnnot get together in the purchase of these defibrulators to get the best deal. Perhaps I have missed something as it seems a great idea for those areas outside an early emergency response.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
07/10/2011 19:30

Message 100,



Nothing strange about it, we both east and west are trailing the internet and letting the other know when we think that we have a good deal!



Chris

trailfinder


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Message Posted:
07/10/2011 19:35

Thats great

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
07/10/2011 19:37

trailfinder,



i am glad you approve!



Chris

trailfinder


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Message Posted:
07/10/2011 20:46

103 No need for the sarcastic rejoinder to an interested enquiry.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
07/10/2011 20:57

Chris, if I may ask, how many AED's do you hope to get , originally it was for Lapta. You say you may have raised enough for two. In chasing a "discount" on more are you not delaying the need in Lapta, (your original goal) Your fundraising will continue, and I will contribute again as I said, but "Discount Chasing" on a life saving Gizmo seems a little odd ...

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
08/10/2011 08:34

Martin,

We decided before the first fundraiser than places like Kaylar and Karsiyaka needed them as well as Lapta Alsancak. So our goal is 4 AED's. Not just 'Discount Chasing' we must make sure the company we buy them from are sound, so making enquiries and sending them lots of questions about the AED. So far they have been really good with the information and sent me all certificates etc. Now as a nurse I can operate an AED but I am not technically minded so have to send the technical stuff on to others for their opinions and it all takes time. I don't want to make a mistake as this is money the people of the area have kindly given. Also want to find out if we will have to pay customs tax's on them. There is still a fair bit of groundwork to be done but I will get there just need a little more time.



Chris

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
20/10/2011 12:59

Another donation yesterday of 30tl from MaggieandBernie. Thanks Maggie and it was good to see you.



For anyone who is wondering what is happening. We are looking to do one more big fundraiser so that we are in a position to buy all 4 AED's at the same time. Not sure yet when and where this will happen but will keep you posted. Any suggestions welcome.



Chris

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
20/10/2011 13:02

Message for MartinD41,



I got your message on another thread, still don't know where you left the envelope!



Chris

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
20/10/2011 16:29

Chris Msg 99 -No need for the public thanks as I said it is a personal due to society as it will help anyone and everyone not just those I know (I normally try to do "good deeds" without any publicity).



BTW any news from Huryia?

harita


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Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
20/10/2011 17:28

Message 90 ..



Sorry forgot to add that I have still a donation of 55tl to pick up from another C44 member at the Old Mill in Ozankoy. Not sure where this is though if someone could please post directions thanks.



Chris .. Did you manage to pick this donation up ..



If not I could pick up for you & you know where I live ..

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
21/10/2011 09:18

Hi Harita,



Thanks for the offer but Marcosthechef picked it up for me. Will try to pop in and see you Sunday morning if you are about.



Chris

Cyprusquest


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Posts: 428

Message Posted:
21/10/2011 13:05

Have you got enough yet for the four AED's? Out of interest re the training in 89 what is included and does the 250 apply to one machine or all of them?

Chris I am not sure if you know but a lot of people will appreciate the effort even if they don't show it right now!

harita


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Message Posted:
21/10/2011 13:44

Will be about Chris ..

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
21/10/2011 13:57

Cyprusquest,



Re message 89 .



Sorry I seem to be mixing people up with the way I wrote that post.



At the time I was looking at the UK to buy the defibrillators at a cost of £1000 each.



The cost at that time for a training defibrillator was approx £250 This is a machine for training purposes only it does not deliver a charge and can be used to help people identify different heart rhythms.



NOW

I am in communication with a company in Turkey who will be able to supply the actual defibrillators for around 600 Euros. You have to understand that I have to do a lot of research into companies that I don't know as at the end of the day it is not my money but money that has been raised by the public here.

At this price we have enough money for 2 defibrillators but if we can raise more money then we can buy 4 at the same time at a discounted price.

Hopefully I have worded it better this time to avoid confusion.



Chris

Cyprusquest


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Message Posted:
21/10/2011 14:06

Yes and thanks for all your hard work.