If Turkey annexes the TRNC

hetty


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 19:50

What do you all think will happen if Turkey annexe the trnc, my partner thinks it will finish the trnc off regarding property, borders, and all things 'british' , the mainlanders will take over and the tc's will be on the losing end.



Comments please.

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 19:57

I do not think they will ever annexe the TRNC as its against their constitution to expand their borders.



However they may replace the Government with a Governor from Ankara and this I think will be a shake up for TRNC but needed as it will end the cosy lives that those in power have abused with nepotism etc.



Regarding borders I dont think they will be affected unless ROC dispute the changes and close them .



Good question and as I am not in TRNC at presis there news this may happen as not seen anything on my limited intel resources.

hetty


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 20:02

Good point ang, no definate but Erdogan definately rattling cages and posturing and I don't think he is messing around either, we will see what happens when the American firm that the GC's have employed begin and how Turkey reacts!

ang1706


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 20:08

They start drilling in September and I do believe that Turkey will attempt to stop them after all in Turkeys eyes its illegal as , wheres the TRNC's share as the GC's shout about the Whole Island.

I am waiting with baited breathe, so are the Lebanese and more important the Israelis.

hetty


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 20:12

ang that coupled with the South having the EU presidency and the stalling of the talks and Turkey's non ascension into the EU is causing major problems, I see trouble ahead.

ang1706


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 20:15

Yes, Erdogan is taking a tough stance and is voicing I think what a lot of people are saying, the EU made a big mistake by admitting the GC's in to EU and now I feel the EU will have to eat humble pie as Turkey is in a very strong position on so many fronts.



Interested to see that Istanbul has applied to host the 2020 Olympics I hope they get it.

andre514


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Message Posted:
16/08/2011 20:19

hetty,



this is an old chestnut:



the trnc was a turkish federated state 1974-1983



you have to wonder who would actually benefit



international objections are likely,

and anyway turkey is said to be seeking recognition for

the trnc in "crucial" 2012, or so we are reliably informed



yes, as a financial supporter turkey may organise things

so it can better keep track of what it donates



british elements are bound to diminish anyway for

very many reasons



...and what you call mainlanders may be already the

vast majority due to an inability to find a compromise

on whether to cobble together a single cyprus entity

from the two separate administrations



you have to take this tc/mainlander and pre '74/trnc

title business with a big pinch of salt:

it depends on whether radical change ever happens



several tc's I know say they want a return to the

old days and gc supporters on the forum big this up

...tho' voting figures strongly suggest otherwise

andre514


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 16:17

hetty message 5,



you refer to the talks "stalling" and turkey's "non ascension" into the eu



do the proper thing, and think things out for yourself



far too many contributors have usurped the 'board in order to uploaded

a lot of guff based upon statements of intent and supposed action plans



even the "orams" case is falsely portrayed: whatever hardships the oap

couple are suffering now (?) any sacrifice has resulted in the euro court

giving ex-pat householders a virtual "blank cheque" to stay in n. cyprus!

I have no space to go into detail, but am happy to do so if required



what with price reductions and huge choice this is a perfect time to buy

but punters are best renting first like everywhere else in club-med-land



the talks were stymied by the gc's rejecting the annan compromise in

2004, which left both sides side desperately short of room to manoever



and turkey's accession to the eu?

been trying to join europe since 07/1959: now what does that tell you?

helper


Joined: 16/01/2009
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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 16:32

Best time to buy, mmmm - Turkey has stated IF drilling goes ahead- it will be an act of war. If conflict arrises i feel many will want out, but who would want to buy property in a war zone?

hetty


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 16:40

helper excellent point, however will Erdogan see it through, I believe he will, he has just been re-elected and has a four year mandate, he knows Turkey will never be allowed into the 'prestigous' EU, so why should he continue to tolerate the abuse the TC's have been subjected to by the GC's any longer.



The Cyprob must come to a conclusion.

helper


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 16:46

I feel Turkey will use force in this issue. War has been so close 3 times in the past over this issue, and as this oil/gas find is estimated to be the biggest find in the world, one country is not going to allow the other to have it all. Twice in the last two years , (June this year was last time)Turkey has launched her 'ships' and fired live rounds over the bows of the exploration ships, ROC has complained to EU that Turkey is using bully boy tactics. Turkey declares these actions to be ' at war exercises). Turkey did write in its charter this year - that if ROC begins to drill It would be seen as an act of war. Not a light statement.

hetty


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 16:49

Not light indeed and Erdogan will stand by his words, I do not think he could back down now nor should he, if war has to come to solve the cyprob once and for all then so be it.

helper


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 16:53

Not long to wait now, drilling due to start 21 Sept. Everything hotting up - and thats not the weather.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 16:53

Would Turkey attack an American company ?

hetty


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 16:55

Phil why wouldn't they, do you think Turkey is frightened of the US, I most certainly don't, they will do whatever is necessary.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:22

typical of brits deciding on Cyprob,on behalf of Cypriots................and we don't even know about it.

hetty


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:33

Post edited. Please read the rules and understand them.

helper


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:36

Hi Yorg, not deciding- praying for a solution which would not involve loss of life - For nothing more than greed

InspironDream


Joined: 10/08/2011
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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:41

I honestly think that if this happens Turkish Cypriot identity/culture will diminish....as I feel that this has already started to happen in Northern Cyprus.



I hear less and less the turkish-cypriot dialect being used on the streets and more and more mainland influence.



I'm not really against anybody but I'd hate to see turkish-cypriotness die, I think it's quite sad.

InspironDream


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:45

Oh, and many turkish-cypriots will probably just leave Cyprus....particularly the youngsters.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:48

Hi helper;we all know what happened to Cyprus when we were ruled by Brits.Of course, many 'know alls' wouldn't understand that.They are just creating something to talk about because they have nothing better to do,but in reality............talk is not cheap anymore but free!

hetty


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Posts: 167

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:50

Inspiron I agree, Cyprus is and always should be for the Cypriots, but the way things are looking it is highly likely the Turks will be the dominant race there. I think many Brits will leave as well.

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:51

Another thread based on a ridiculous premise. Turkey is not going to annex the TRNC any time soon, ie not within the next 10 to 20 years.



To suggest that it might as a result of the failure of this round of negotiations is in my view to show a complete failure to understand the situation, historicaly and as it exists today.

andre514


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Message Posted:
17/08/2011 19:17

hetty,



you are going to see a continual run-down of britishness in cypus, come what may

and as regards "warlike acts" like blockades and interfering with drilling ops,

you have to remember the east and west were ready to nuke each other in the

cold war from 1949-1990



I would have thought that in the long run (.....we are all dead as economists say)

the tc's and turkish population will somehow synthesize together as happened in

very many similar situations elsewhere, however painful the process meanwhiles