Are Turkey just huffing and puffing

newlad



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Message Posted:
25/09/2011 21:02

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/turkey-to-deploy-warships-over-gas-dispute-with-cyprus-1.386659



Or will they blow the houses down,



Paul.

elko2



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Message Posted:
25/09/2011 22:48

The latest smart move from Turkey is start exploring oil in the same region as ROC i.e. parcel 12. Turkey will not use force to stop them but will they use force to stop Turkey? Of course not. so that will be a humiliation for ROC. Next move? Will turkey start exploration in the region allocated for Israel? That will be a good test.

ismet

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
25/09/2011 22:54

Thats fair enough Ismet abi but who is the one operating illegaly in the eyes of international law?



no doubt small fish will be eaten by the big shark!





talk about bullying.....................

newscoop


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Message Posted:
25/09/2011 23:36

In the eyes of the law the ROC are doing nothing wrong.



They and not Turkey are signatories of the EEZ



Mind you, neither are the USA!

andy-f


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Message Posted:
25/09/2011 23:40

if it comes to a milliatary confrontation and it may well lead to one , the so called cyprus problem will be catapulted onto the world news stage over night .



this is the nightmare that greek cyprus would have to deal with , the U.S would mediate and turkey will get its oil/gas and northern cyprus end off .



andy

minertor



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Message Posted:
25/09/2011 23:44

msg 5:...............this is the nightmare that greek cyprus would have to deal with , the U.S would mediate and turkey will get its oil/gas and northern cyprus end off .



Don't quite grasp the meaning!!



T

andy-f


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Message Posted:
25/09/2011 23:59

mess 6 . the U.S are becoming more dependent on turkey as the regional power in the eastern med and turkey as just played its master card by allowing the X-band radar anti missile defence system to be stationed on turkish soil after many months of barttering , this is a million times more important to U.S/N.A.T.O affairs than the cyprus problem .



so when the shit its the fan who will the U.S side with ?



andy

sporty


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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 00:19

it would be rather interesting if turkey put a rig within a few hundred yards of noble's,it would save all the seizmics at least.

I'm really not sure how this is going to pan out,i just cant see turkey backing down on this now theyve started to take steps,no way are they going to get the peace talks settled now.

Its a shame really,in my view the south really should of waited for peace talks to conclude before doing this drill.

elko2



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 09:04

This is all very interesting. First of all the GCs have no desire to share power with TCs and are simply negotiating for the sake of it. So knowing that the talks will come to naught, they had no reason to wait before gas exploration. Secondly they say that they will share the gains with TCs but they are deliberately vague on it. If they declare that they will give 18% of the proceeds to TCs, that will be the end of the conflict but they don't.



What Andy has written is very interesting and thought provoking. It is possible, not likely but possible that Turkey has done a deal with USA and the current crises is engineered. After all, big problems are solved easily after such a blow up. Interesting times ahead.

ismet

newlad



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 09:22

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey-seeks-simultaneous-drilling-halt-2011-09-25



The olive branch perhaps.Interesting and worrying quote from Israel though,



Paul.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 09:37

Olive Branch?!



Even this article notes that this is "a move that seemed to show Turkey’s reluctance to start drilling work in Mediterranean."



What really matters is would any drilling find anything worth while ?



@ Elko.. As the amount of any oil / gas ( that might be found and pumped ) used is monitored by a third party - then the RoC's offer to share and the amount that should be shared would be known.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 09:43

msg 6. If the situation and history of Cyprus is opened up to the world the lies of the GC's would be exposed.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 09:55

re msg 12



Troodo, who is keeping their past dubious exploits hidden on places such as this ? Come on..

Biker



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 10:42

All this sounds like a get out of jail card to blame the failure of the talks.

As it looks like they will never be able to agree on anything.

tattlad


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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 11:54

6m's Msg 13.

That last mass grave unearthed a couple years ago should have given you all the clues you need, but then again you are very selective when it come to the truth aren't you ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 12:00

Tattlad re msg 15



>>you are very selective when it come to the truth aren't you ;)<<



Nope... I think 'selectivity ' might be an issue.. closer to 'home'.. Can you point out ( specifically) examples.. ?

deputydawg


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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 12:04

Wot goes "gurgle, gurgle, bollex" ?





















Crude Oil.

tattlad


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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 12:27

Msg 16.

Were you aware of the last (in a line of many) mass graves of Turkish Cypriots unearthed a couple of years ago ? if not please feel free to enlighten yourself before coming back to me.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 12:37

Tattlad, quite aware.. and your point and relation to me ?

andre 514


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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 12:48

messages 11, 15



"offer to share" ?



...yes but who doles it out to whom., ie who has real control



next thing you know, the roc will offer to open up famagusta

port under "eu administration"



like many things in area not exactly what it may seem at first

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 13:00

andre514



This isn't about an offer out of kindness.. it is obligatory - TCs are citizens of the RoC..

andre 514


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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 13:58

...who suffer an economic blockade engineered by the ROC

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 14:03

......as well as Turkey

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 14:36

re msg 22



andre514



>>who suffer an economic blockade engineered by the ROC<<



WHAAAAT ?!



the RoC must exercise a HELL of a pull over the UN, who voted for the UN Security Council Resolution relating to the declaration of independence of the 'TRNC'...



Now I accept that April 2004 and Annan should now be taken into consideration, but to say that this is 'all' down to the RoC .. well, you are either being naive or obtuse ..

andre 514


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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 16:53

message 24



It is a valid argument:



the isolations and blockade are all the responsibility of the un

and the trade embargoe a device of the eu



...the greek cypriots sort of "interested observers" as it were



message 23:



do you mean directly or indirectly?

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 17:07

msg 25



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does not change the outcome............

elko2



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 17:34

Yorgozlu has a valid point but I am not going to elaborate this time because this is not the right thread.

ismet

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 17:51

Hi Elko / Yorg



Could you start a thread that IS relevant - as I think many members have an over-simplistic viewpoint of the current TC- TR relationship status...

andre 514


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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 20:30

message 28:



those interested in what american diplomats privately thought about the tr/tc relationship

could do worse than check out the wikileaks files as reported



as mark suggests it is a very complicated relationship:

the american accepted turkey is extremely influential, but the local regime also has input

...and the dividing line is often unclear



in answer to marks earlier fatuous comment about gc influencence they certainly could

get the sanctions lifted by the un/eu if they wanted to but they don't want to:

how can you ever trust such people? but yorg does, unless I misunderstand



or perhaps trust them more than turkey which is possibly what this is all about?

newlad



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 20:46

Hi Mark re-mess 11,



Which ever way you want to dress it up,its Turkey that have offered to make the first move to try and stop this potentially very alarming state of affairs kicking off big style in the med.Israel are the biggest worry,and have nuclear weapons,



Paul.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 21:47

re 30



Paul



I THINK you'll find TR's first move was to insist the drilling couldn't go ahead, [ because THEY don't recognise the RoC as a legit govt. for all of Cyprus ] and when it was clear THAT wouldn't work, we had the threats...



You'll find outside of 'TRNC' / TR that the CORRECT way would have been to find a LEGAL way to stop the drilling - mind you they don't HAVE one...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 21:59

andre514



re 29



you want to SERIOUS talk about things Cyprus and suggest that the 'rump' RoC should ask for the UN resolution to be lifted... ?!



Now THAT is indeed fatuous..



Many TCs know that TR doesn't have any inclination to obey the Resolution - as the military WANT to stay in Cyprus.. to "protect the soft underbelly of Turkey" ! ... It has b'all to do with TCs...



Let's be clear - the UN resolutions KEEP asking for all third party nations to respect the Sovereign territory of the RoC .. this is the main ACE card that the 'rump' hold.. it isn't going to be negotiated away , easily ...



You need to talk to some TCs.. ( and even GCs ) they aren't sure who can be trusted less, the 'rump' RoC , Turkey..the UN / EU.. :(

andre 514


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 00:17

message 32:



"the UN resolutions keep asking..."



no harm in asking



OK that remark was a bit fatuous!



but...

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 08:54

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/26/turkey-cyprus-gas-idUSL5E7KQ3ZQ20110926



Worrying,very worrying indeed,



Paul.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 10:08

Not really, Paul ..



This is not going to 'help' Turkey's 'case' ... This is for local consumption..

cyprusairsoft



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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 10:26

next to the church gas and oil are the next ingredients for a rumble look at past conflicts.



is the gas and oil thing an excuse by both side to not reach a peace solution?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 13:45

Hopefully, the opposite



Reading this article I'd say that there are factions on both sides who want to push this - rather than seeing it as a great way to move forward





http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/drilling-continue-despite-pressure/20110927

faithworks


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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 16:59

You cant eat your cake and have it! TRNC eas declared independent from ROC. turkey and TRNC officials as with most TC say it is illegal for their state not to be recognised!



Yet they want the proceeds of oil from the ROC. these lot are confused!! you dont declare independence and still get to share resources with the country you declared independence from!



can you imagine America asking britian to share resources with it! or Ghana,india, nigeria hell even ROC!

elko2



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 17:30

Faithworks,

Your argument would hold true if ROC made an agreement with TRNC and recognized each other on mutually agreed terms. As it stands, they are negotiating under the auspicies of UN to reach an agreement as a single State. So the lot the the south cannot have their cakes and eat it either.

ismet

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 18:54

According to the Press of parliamentary assembly of the council of Europe PACE.Natural resources belong to both the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots,



Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 19:13

Are Turkey just huffing and puffing?



Yes!



wynyardman

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 19:18

Really,Wyn.Please enlighten us dear boy,



Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 19:28

Old Boy,



Love the shades!



It is part of a VERY well orchestrated plan to get an AMICABLE settlement to The Cyprus Problem.



How often r do I have to tell you?



At the end there is always a "plum" pulled out of the hat.



In the current financially straightened times, there are not too many, rabbits in the hat.



How about the possibility of untold future wealth. Gcs face bankrupcy. Greece cannot even help itself.



Turkey is the fastest growing economy in the world. The hold all the aces.



I would buy you a pint, to calm you down, but after all the insults posted on Cyprus 44...Buy your own!



The bold Cheryl, has sufferred long enough. Give peace a chance Eh!



wyn

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 19:33

At last after all these years, i finally agree with you Wyn.Now wheres that bloody donkey gone,



Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 19:36

Wackyjim still has the Donkey.



Key question is, where is the Donkeys missing leg?



wyn

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 19:38

I think Jock had it in a sandwich,



Paul.

elko2



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 19:40

This is Wyn at his best aided and abetted by his famous glass of wine.

ismet

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 19:47

Elko,



As pensioners, you know as well as we do, that there is nothing left in the budget for luxuries.



Just finished my OXO and a slice of Wharburtons.



The picture is for appearances.



wyn

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 20:11

Elko2,



Re your post47.



Does you car run, without fuel?



wyn

elko2



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 20:32

wyn wrote "Does you car run, without fuel? "



Of course not. Some like 6m drink horlicks before bed and I drink a warm glass of milk with a small spoonful of locally made "pekmez" from carobs added. Its delicious and very nutricious too. I bet it is as good as a glass of wine.

ismet

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 20:35

elko2



It was Saint Paul, I believe, who said.......



Take a little wine for they stomachs sake! NO WHERE in the Bible is Horlicks mentioned.



Just my view, thats all.



wynyardman

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 20:38

Where i come from,getting your horlicks means something completeley different to a warm drink,



Paul.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 20:39

Msg52,



Filth. Typical East Yorkshire.



wynyardman

newlad



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Message Posted:
05/10/2011 21:41

I see you know where i am coming from then Wyn,



Paul.