PtP & Kocan - what is the latest?

laptagal


Joined: 28/05/2008
Posts: 549

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 18:08

Hi, I was told that PtP and Kocan times have speeded up (or is this wishful thinking?) If you have recenly received either/both, - how long did it take?

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 18:58

Hi laptagal,



We have been waiting 2years 7 months and are still waiting. I don't think anything has changed. Every rime I ring the office, the answer is, It is still with the military. It has been with the military for 18 months, how long does it take to rubber stamp a piece of paper?



The Butlers wife

Bertie


Joined: 15/04/2008
Posts: 155

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 19:28

We've been waiting since Aug 2006 also supposedly still with military, our legal person told us maybe 6months ***!!!! It would be lovely if the rumour was true but dare we hope.

laptagal


Joined: 28/05/2008
Posts: 549

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 19:44

Thanks Butler Wife and Bertie. Is this PtP or Kocan - or both?

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 20:01

Hi laptagal,



This is for ptp, but getting this does not mean you will automatically get your kocan. This is up to your builder/developer and if and when he decides to hand them over. Some people on our complex have had their ptp for over a year but we will not receive our kocans before December 2009 and then maybe not even then. If you have an honest developer then there may not be any hold up.



The Butlers wife.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 22:54

Does anyone have a list of honest builders ?

corbytown


Joined: 05/08/2008
Posts: 327

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 23:05

sorry for sounding ignorant, but whats ptp ?

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 23:09

Permission to Purchase -- military have to give approval Turkish law requires it.

laptagal


Joined: 28/05/2008
Posts: 549

Message Posted:
22/11/2008 13:39

Hi Karucum5c pleas see my post

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/7482.asp

Thanks for all replies - hope to hear from others but the most popular threads seem to be personal attacks at the moment. Shame as this forum is a fantastic way of getting advice. Perhaps we could turn this into a positive thread and make it into a competition to see who has receive their PtP the quickest?

Hope the sun is shining, whever you are.

norma jean



Joined: 29/05/2008
Posts: 191

Message Posted:
22/11/2008 14:31

Hi just received our PTP,last thursday. We applied for ours in feb 2004, bit longer than six months.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
22/11/2008 15:20

Only applied for mine 18 months ago , didnt realise it would be another 2 years before i get my Kocan.

Graham


Joined: 20/10/2007
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
22/11/2008 15:27

We bought villa June 05,

Moved in March 06, four months late on finish date, knocked £1200 of final payment as per contract.

PTP arrived Nov 07, no thanks to lawyer, thanks to Tugce at PIO.

Koçan physically in hand Sept 08



Graham

dsouzaedna


Joined: 14/11/2008
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
22/11/2008 16:19

i would recommend you Ali Yemenci, he is not only a good builder but he is an honest builder from sunbeams real estate...just besides ian smith

Kibris


Joined: 07/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
22/11/2008 18:46

We bought May 2006, PTP recieved September 2008, title transfeered 2 weeks later.... got Kocan mid October....

fatboy



Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 244

Message Posted:
23/11/2008 13:27

we think we might ours may .4years down the line

Speedypaul


Joined: 28/03/2008
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
23/11/2008 13:38

The fact thats its working for some is encouraging. I bought early 2006, still awaiting the military for PTP, builder has transfered parts of the title deed to his family and took out a morgage on part of the site (late 2007), despite getting a clean bill of health in March 2008 at the land registry. In my case, making the builder do the decent thing is the problem. Is litigation the only answer (I cant see any winners in this, only the advocates) or has anyone else imployed different (legal) methods?

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
23/11/2008 13:59

It should be very clear to most that PTP and KOCANS present serious issues for buyers in TRNC.

Not withstanding the problems that are all too common with builder performance, completion deadlines, mortgage and tile issues.



May I suggest that contracts of sale should be very carefully prepared. Do not simply take a simple off the shelf template fom your advocate. Use your best diligence and common sense.

Get the full name and address of the seller. Names and address of all directors of any company. Only release final payments upon delivery of itemised and agreed criteria. Make sure that payments only cover what is delivered. Always negotiate directly with your supplier (builder) and be your own moderator of performance.



I believe that the TRNC are privy to the damage to the economy that is being caused by delays in PTP. The excellent work of the HBPG and Mrs Stokes in particular will hopefully be of positive assistance to TRNC and prospective buyers.

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
23/11/2008 14:09

Hi,

Our daughter applied for her ptb about 18months, maybe 2 years ago.

She received it 2 weeks ago. We bought from Levent homes, who have so far

been very good .

We used Sener law firm in Girne, who again, so far, have not let us down.

bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
23/11/2008 14:20

So

some people have been waiting 4 years and still have not received it and others 18 months to 2 years and have got it. What an efficient system?

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
23/11/2008 14:26

Perhaps, time scales are getting better...les hope.



I suggest all buyers pursue their PTP themselves and loby the TRNC as best they can.

Make sure you obtain your reference number from the authorities and ask, ask and ask again for updates.

Do not leave it to your advocate as in most instances they have been paid for services and have no incentive to chase on your behalf.



Do your best to support the TRNC officials, be polite and respect their position.

Most are very helpful and will remember your calls.

Read the HBPG guidlines.

laptagal


Joined: 28/05/2008
Posts: 549

Message Posted:
23/11/2008 15:38

Thanks for advice Waz, it prompted me to look at my paperwork and I relise that, although I have the completed form from advocate, it doesn't have a number on it so have emailed them. Nice boat, by the way.