Young solider tortured to death in trnc

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 11:44

Doing his military service in Northern Cyprus a Young solider was tortured to death in trnc !



Google translation ► http://bit.ly/o2tIbA



Turkish ► http://bit.ly/mWlf6f

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 16:38

So no one cares this young Turkish cypriot was ►tortured and murdered doing his national service ◄?

canavar


Joined: 09/12/2009
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 16:48

Just because nobody has replied it does not mean they do not care, I care, but what is it you expect people to say. Do you want hundreds of replies saying how sad it is ?

passionflower


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Posts: 168

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 16:56

if had been a dog i know the forum would have been inundated with replies see the green helghts threads

Pugwash


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Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:01

Indeed especially if it had been supposedly run over by a drunk driver.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:09

It is of course, indefensible, unconscionable, undeniable, unbearable, a young person died as a result of bullying - the translation is appalling - can someone encapsulate what he was supposed to have done, and what was done to him? NOT of course, that ANY form of bullying is acceptable - I hope his family sue the Army to hell and back; and publicise their loved one's demise far and wide - the perpetrators should be named and shamed and their names broadcast far and wide also...



We personally know a young man who was literally scarred for life by bullying from 'superiors' (who of course by their very actions, make them inferiors) when he was doing his National Service, I know it has mentally damaged him too

Pugwash


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Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:12

Why do you think he was a Turkish Cypriot littlenige? the url gives him to be Turkish, another error littlenige.

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:16

far to subtle for me no idea what you mean . the guy was in kktc doing his national service would he not be turkish cypriot ? but as ►A KNOW ALL ◄



YOU WOULD TRY TO TAKE THE THREAD OFF TOPIC AGAIN NOT VERY SUBTLE.



LILLIE HAD EVIDENCE YOU WERE LITTLENIGE OR IS / WAS SHE A LIAR ?



►BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE◄

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:24

It is my understanding that a lot of young men from Turkey do their National Service in NC.



Nige, we know that Pugwash isn't you - how can Pugwash be you, when you're you?



The above sentence is about as confusing as when you were operating under about 6 different names at any one time, by the way



PS Yes, Lilli did think at one time that Pugwash and Little Nige were one and the same. She was advised that they weren't.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:25

Lilli apologised, please bother to look for the thread littleidiot it is on the board and quite accessible.. If you look it explains that he he was Turkish and his parents live in Istanbul, not that it excuses the abuse but it is better if you get your facts right littlenige.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:26

Unfortunately this is only one of the many cases that happens in the TRNC each year, This young soldier was basically brutally murdered and everyone from the highest rank down who are responsible should be made accountable, but like every else, it will be hashed up with only the 2 soldiers carrying out the orders will be punished.



The army prosecutor has interviewed the 40 plus people in that division but none of the ranking officers have been charged, Hope that family of the young boy takes every legal step in the courts against the persons concerned.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:28

I hope this young lad's family see justice done.



Seems the armed forces have the same "modus operandi" the world over.

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:30

lillie did not think Pugwash and Little Nige were one and the same she stated this as fact as did several others I can prove who I am if need be on 05338314245 if I did so would I get AN APOLOGY no SO PUG WASH FULL OF SEMEN Jeanie who may or may not like Portugal this is another thread destroyed by petty small minded vindictive people.

Pugwash


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Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:30

Good point erkin as with Deepcut barracks in the UK it seems justice will probably never happen.

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:42

So who was tortured, if that is what that translation is supposed to say, was it Nige, Pugwash, Uncle Tom Cobbly ?

Passionflower, you will need to get used to people on this forum having several different IDs, just let it go over your head.

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:48

THANKS hattikins ,but the TROLLS seem hell bent on destroying the forum . they have had 3 topics closed in the last few days it seems a systematic campaign that as yet has gone unpunished by the forum admiins .

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 17:49

Let's hope that Turkey launches a full investigation and gets some justice for this poor young man and his family. Disgraceful incident perpetrated by a bunch of Phillistines and cowards.

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 18:02

I agree mitsi ''well said''

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 18:06

Bad translation but still should not have happened anyway - of course the Boy Entrant who was stuffed in a bed locker and thrown in the swimming pool to drown in 1962 never made the headlines, but then that was UK and then and now its a much more fluffy and caring world I guess.



Before the "Flack" hits the board please remember that this sort of thing happens all the time in every armed forces in the world - it is sad when it goes wrong but it happens anyway. Petitions and the EU fluffy laws will never, ever stop service people from making sure that either their own brand of rough justice is done. Neither will they stop service people making sure that punishments are carried out, so they can then depend upon the person they stand next to in combat. It is service life and even if you think it never happens anymore - it does!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 18:28

Its only forums like this that high lights things to many of us, if these links and little snippets of news were not made more public some of us would not be aware of these happenings... I for one would not have heard about it being in GB... All publicity regarding these sort of incidents are very welcome to be brought to our attention..







Pugwash, why do you too resort to bullying as well? It looks like you and certain other members have a vindictive streak in you...



Back on topic... lets hope the family push for justice ...

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 18:39

How can other people have multiple identities when I was emailed from admin about having 2 other log on names that belonged to my family members using the same computer, which were then cancelled.

gusanova


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 18:57

I disagree with Waddo completely!!



I joined Army at 16 and finally left in 2008 after 0ver 30 years service. I served with Highland Regiments and Airborne Parachute Battalions and cannot say that I was ever privvy either seeing, taking part or even hearing about bullying with units I was with.

Deepcut is suspicious in more ways than one as suicide has been the verdict, but as usual the press has been allowed to influence - what about all the suicides in South Wales that were attributed to Facebook-, no big outcry there as press could not understand FB I too had 2 suicides in my Junior Leaders Regiment and in 1976 there was no call for anything more than normal enqiries.



Waddo if you knew anything now about British Army training methods - the fact that RECRUITS/TRAINEES can give Instructors YELLOW Cards, yes thats your Socialist namby pamby discipline ethos. Result is that wastage rates during training has risen over past 10 years also retention amongst JNCO's has fallen dramati

kittyfun


Joined: 11/04/2011
Posts: 181

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:03

Gusanova get a life it happens everywhere, are you trying to tell us now that the atrocities committed by Brit and Yank servicemen in Afgan and Iraq never happened, you will be telling us next the haulocost never happened - idiot wake up it happens, it whats done about it that can make a difference !

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:05

@ msg 15, Hattikins: (...) Passionflower, you will need to get used to people on this forum having several different IDs, just let it go over your head. (...)

▶ Best post this year! Really funny! How naive can people be..?!

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:10

I have just heard it on Turkish news.

There are two arm services in Cyprus, one of TRNC and the other of Turkey. After all, Turkey has about 40,000 troops based in TRNC, most of them are made up of conscripts from Turkey.



According to the news this unfortunate conscript was to finish his army service in August. A week to go, he was late for assembly and he was sent to the punishment room. It is reported that he was beaten up there and then tied to a chair and left under the sun. It is the sunstroke that killed him. He was rushed to military hospital in Turkey but could not be saved. Now his family is calling for punishment of those responsible.

ismet

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:12

the cyber bullies out in force noe.. the Filed crusader has chipped in .

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:13

Quite.



When wil the world learns. any form of life, is beyond value., then we may understand.



The TRNC government should be held to account.



Is this really the way forward? AS John Lennon said,



"Give peace a chance"



When will we ever learn?



wynyardman

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:20

@ msg 25, Elko2: (...) There are two arm services in Cyprus, one of TRNC and the other of Turkey. (...)

▶ On second thought; do you agree that there are FOUR armed forces in CYPRUS? Cypriot Turkish and Turkish soldiers and Greek speaking Cypriot and Greek soldiers..?!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:30

Hans msg 24, it has nothing to do with double ids this thread, or of people being naive as you so put it ...



Hattikins said that with tongue in cheek me thinks ...



Think we all know about double ids, but let it go over our heads, its the constant bullying by 'some' of you that get us fed up...



Back on topic, this young man died because of bully boy tactics ... think on some of you who resort to this treatment to your fellow man... All bullying, torture is wrong... Lets hope that the 'boy' gets some justice, even if it has meant it being discussed on this forum,,,

Well said Wyn x

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:33

@ msg 29, dizzycows: (...) the constant bullying by 'some' of you that get us fed up... (...)

▶ How's the weather in the UK, Diz? I'm waiting for your post to warn "us" in Northern Cyprus for the last time...

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:38

warn you of what Hans ??? our dreadful weather? ....



Think yourself very lucky to live in a sun drenched place ... ...

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:47

Oh dear Oh dear sometimes I feel its just such a very sad world..





I hope the family of this young lad finds peace in time..Such a hard thing to cope with...







Spider,X



Tisk...Tiskkkk you lot !

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:54

Another sad thread about a tragic death

that d/c hi-jacks

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:58

Gusanova, Lucky guy to have joined a regiment that was really a band of brothers then on to a parachute regiment that also stuck together without let or hindrance. Sadly I only managed 25 years and joined at 15 and a half as a "brat" in 1963 and I have seen the system at work. My daughter left the Army and came home with the scars so don't think it is a myth - it happens. The "booties" that caught me on an aircrew survival course were very kind about the way they held my head under the water with a boot on the back of the neck and having your legs kicked out from under you when on finger tips against a frozen wall is just as much fun! Its life, get behind it and it builds character as well. Having been involved in military training till 2007 I also know all about yellow cards and red cards plus the fantastic troops who march along the road with the guy at the front talking on his mobile to the guy at the back! Would still do it all again!

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:31

Damaged people, damage people -

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:35

Oh so true MsGarnet, unfortunately the top brass in any army are power hungry, .....

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:40

interesting !



Could you forgive if it were your son.....





But yes very true that damaged people damage too....



Forgiving is very hard but Oh so worth while to fee one's self of pain.



Spider,X

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:47

Wyn,

this despicable incident has nothing to do with TRNC government. It happened in the Turkish Army and not the TRNC army. In fact even the head of the TRNC army is appointed by Turkey from the Turkish army. So in fact Turkey is responsible for the TRNC army as well.

,ismet

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:47

Dont think some of us ever get free of that sort of pain Spider ...

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 23:58

DC

If you know who all these people are then why do you let it worry you, I have a pretty good idea of who they are but so what, it keeps them happy and doesn't affect me in any way at all.



Try to relax and don't let insignificant people upset you.