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MaggieAndBernie


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Message Posted: 03/11/2011 18:50 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 2 of 15 in Discussion |
| Not read through to the end yet but 'Every person shall be equal before the Constitution and the law without any discrimination. No privileges shall be granted to any individual, family, group or class. ' 'twould make a cat laugh!!! Maggie |
KarmaSooty1

Joined: 29/09/2011 Posts: 91
Message Posted: 03/11/2011 18:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 3 of 15 in Discussion |
| Rights of Aliens Article 13 The rights and liberties referred to in this Constitution may be restricted by law in respect of aliens, in accordance with international law. |
foxylad

Joined: 01/11/2011 Posts: 56
Message Posted: 03/11/2011 18:56 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 4 of 15 in Discussion |
| in accordance with international law. tell that to the Greek Cypriot poofta locked up recently |
MaggieAndBernie


Joined: 26/07/2008 Posts: 2012
Message Posted: 03/11/2011 18:56 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 5 of 15 in Discussion |
| Yes I just got to Article 13! but it stops there! more???? Maggie |
brother


Joined: 29/01/2010 Posts: 446
Message Posted: 03/11/2011 18:57 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 6 of 15 in Discussion |
| Am I reading Article 13 correctly? Does it mean that there is an unbounded restriction of the rights and liberties when applied to Aliens? |
spider

Joined: 03/01/2009 Posts: 5527
Message Posted: 03/11/2011 19:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 8 of 15 in Discussion |
| No, but Mr Spider would Spider,X |
MaggieAndBernie


Joined: 26/07/2008 Posts: 2012
Message Posted: 03/11/2011 19:15 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 9 of 15 in Discussion |
| sounds like he already has! lol |
erolz

Joined: 17/11/2008 Posts: 3456
Message Posted: 03/11/2011 19:36 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 10 of 15 in Discussion |
| Brother article 13 simply means that the rights (and responsibilites) conferred under the consitution apply to citizens and not necessarily to non citizens (aliens) and as such it is not different from any other countries consitution. Citizens get different rights to non citizens, right to vote to stand in elections , duties re military service etc etc. |
brother


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Message Posted: 03/11/2011 19:39 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 11 of 15 in Discussion |
| Hi Erolz, so is this the method by which aliens can have different taxes applied to them? I'm thinking of the reports in other threads of "differentiation" between aliens and nationals when certain transactions are involved... |
erolz

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Message Posted: 03/11/2011 19:48 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 12 of 15 in Discussion |
| Brother my understanding is that the tax rate is the same for citizens and non citizens. There is in addition to this a one off 'dispensation' scheme which reduces the tax by 50%, that used to apply to non citizens and citizens alike and now only applies to citizens. I do not think this removal of this one off dispensation for non citizens is in any way un consitutional. |
brother


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Message Posted: 03/11/2011 19:55 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 13 of 15 in Discussion |
| Thanks for explaining the background Erolz. I am aware of the OT dangers in discussing the tax issue per se but it appears as you allude, that Article 13 applies in that specific case. |
KarmaSooty1

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Message Posted: 04/11/2011 10:24 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 14 of 15 in Discussion |
| "Whereas the Turkish Cypriot People, in the face of events directed against its national existence and right to life, since 1878 when it was broken away from its motherland" That's a funny way of putting it: We rented it from them from £50,000. |
KarmaSooty1

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Message Posted: 04/11/2011 10:34 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 15 of 15 in Discussion |
| The agreement between UK and Turkey including a clause covering UK going to war on Russia if Russia takes any more Turkish territory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_Convention This bit seems the most interesting. I wonder what happened about that. VI. That if Russia restores to Turkey Kars, and the other conquests made by her in Armenia during the last war, the Island of Cyprus will be evacuated by England, and the Convention of the 4th of June, 1878, will be at an end. |
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