A question about the Turkish Intervention

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
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Message Posted:
07/11/2011 21:17

When the Turkish Army intervened, did they "ask" any of the people living in the North, who were NOT Greek Cypriots to leave?



I am interested mainly in Americans as well as International diplomatic staff.



Did the Turkish Army "take" any land that was used by International Embassies/Consulates, etc? I.e. Sovereign land that effectively may now be in the North, but previosuly may have belonged to countries other than Cyprus? (As you know, the land that an embassy stands on, is effectively land that belongs to the country of the emabassy!



For example, the British Consulate, was it elsewhere before 1974?



I cannot find much information relating to the above. If it has been answered before, I apologise.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
07/11/2011 21:38

read the genocide files mate , all the answers to your questions will be found .

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
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Message Posted:
07/11/2011 22:59

The Turkish attitude to non-Cypriots is somewhat illustrated by the fate of the Maronites. The Maronites are a pseudo-Catholic sect that numbered several thousand in Cyprus and largely associated themselves with the Greek Cypriots who were fellow Christians (although many might dispute that after what they did in 1963/4). After the invasion many (but not all) of the Maronites fled South and the village of Koracum (out past Camlibel) was cordoned off by the army and put under its protection until the Maronites started to return. There were checkpoints on the main road going past the village and anybody passing that road had the date and time recorded so any problems could be associated with the people in the vicinity - these were only removed about 10 years ago. While houses suffered from lack of maintenance there was never any damage or vandalism and the village is slowly coming back to life.

As an aside it is well worth a visit if only for the magnificent Catholic church.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
07/11/2011 23:15

Might be something in this book



http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cyprus-Question-Turkish-Position-International/dp/0198258461/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320698334&sr=1-1

hameln


Joined: 06/11/2011
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
07/11/2011 23:24

Why would they want the americans to leave when it was the americans via NATO who gave them the nod to come in and stop the island falling under greek communist rule and its tender alliance with russia..

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/11/2011 23:42

rowlo,

while it is good to read,thre is also the saying of .................your story................my story..........and then there is the truth.





here is little more to read

http://human-rights-archaeology.blogspot.com/2008/05/cypriot-conflicts-cypriot-deep-states.html

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
08/11/2011 00:12

Texas

Foreign nationals such as the American or British Citizens were not asked to leave but were evacuated by Navy ships belonging to British Navy..

The evacuees included Greek & Turkish Cypriots who were British or American citizens..

Properties belonging to foreign national citizens were identified at the time with flags on their doors and not touched..

Properties belonging to foreign countries embassies were not touched.

The American Embassy had few properties north of the divide, main one being the massive radio listening station at Gerolakkos,which has been moved to Engomi in south Nicosia and still operational today.

They also had a site in Karavas (Alsancak)

These staff of these properties belonging to the American Embassy was evacuated in 1974 and the sites guarded by the Turkish army for some years.



Rowlo

Genicide Files is NOT a correct reference to anyone who wants to learn about history of the island

cinders


Joined: 08/10/2011
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
08/11/2011 10:06

American Embassy property stood empty in Alsancak, not vandalised or touched as far as I can see,except gardens which are tended.

Cobbler


Joined: 15/11/2009
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
08/11/2011 10:30

According to some of the reviews at Amazon Genocide files is pure paid for properganda,

http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/0951446428/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_3?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&pageNumber=3



Christpher Hitchens and Martin Packard wrote much better books about Cyprus troubles.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/11/2011 11:09

@ msg 3, Jovial_John: (...) As an aside it is well worth a visit if only for the magnificent Catholic church. (...)

▶ ... and in another touristic aside: in Koruçam they offer the best küp kebab (aka kleftiko or kleftico) in Northern Cyprus! In the restaurant opposite the church.

Back on topic.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
08/11/2011 13:38

Is it not the old building which used to be one of Jashans restaurants belong to the British Embassy pre 74?

The mother of the guy who owned our house before us, she was a British midwife here during the conflict.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
08/11/2011 13:54

If you mean Oleander I think it was the Postmasters house?





Iceman what would your recommendations be for reading about the history please. Thanks

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
08/11/2011 13:57

If you mean Oleander I think it was the Postmasters house?





Iceman what would your recommendations be for reading about the history please. Thanks

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
08/11/2011 14:24

Oysters with the Missing Pearls and Orphans of Nationalism by Sevgül Uludağ gives you enough facts to make your own mind on what really happened..



Sevgül Uludag, 53,is winner of 2008 Courage in Journalism Award from the International Women in Media Foundation.



http://iwmf.org/archive/articletype/articleview/articleid/727/sevgul-uludag-cyprus.aspx

http://iwmf.org/archive/articletype/articleview/articleid/752/cypriot-journalist-hopes-her-work-brings-peace.aspx

http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?load=detay&link=144205

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
08/11/2011 15:05

Re: Msg 14,

iceman,

most grateful for the links.



Re: Msg 7,

"They also had a site in Karavas (Alsancak)..."

Yes, it was the HQ of the Foreign Broadcast Bureau and was considered to be a part of the US Embassy.

The US government owned 6 acres of land with the all the operational buildings and 2 official residences plus leased additional 167 acres to provide antenna field.

The US Marine Security Guard were protecting the embassy staff before they could be evacuated by the US Navy.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
08/11/2011 18:48

Message l0: DC A long time since I went there! Is "Yiassou (not sure of transliteration) Maria" still there?

It used to be popular before the border opened as the only place to get pork chops!



There used to be a village in the Karpas where the Greek Cypriot population opted to stay. A UN convey used to deliver food (and presumably medical supplies etc.) I remembr being on a tour of the Karpas in it must have been l994 ish when we had to wait to drive throught he village while the food was being distributed and the driver wouldnt stop to let us talk to the people. I seem to remember the children were also escorted to school in the South. Anyone know what happened to it?

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
08/11/2011 22:34

Thanks Iceman will keep an eye open

Joe Soap


Joined: 17/10/2008
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Message Posted:
08/11/2011 23:06

I was in Korucam when the UN delivered food, drink, fuel etc to the villagers all for free and on a weekly basis.



Quite an eye open as I went to the village to see the church .......... and saw the delivery of the benefits; many vehicles had trailers to cope with the extent of the deliveries.



I believe Maronites also got a monthly cash payment.....all paid for by the government of the Republic of Cyprus.



This was a couple of years ago.



Does anyone know if the benefits (goodies and money) are still made, when and if so what are the values?

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
08/11/2011 23:13

yep its still on the go msg18 , only know they get it from the eu , and it runs into billions.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
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Message Posted:
09/11/2011 01:16

I had a friend who lived in the North in '74. They were evacuated in HMS Hermes. It sailed round the Island then they changed their minds and asked to be put back ashore. Apparently their house was untouched and the Turkish Army present in the village were courteous and helpful.



I get the impression the Turkish Army tried to create minimum possible cause for complaint from their NATO allies (except Greece of course!) and were particularly wary of British bases on the Island.

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
09/11/2011 09:00

Thanks for all the information.



To respond, but not necessarily in any particular order.



I live only a couple of hundred metres away from the American sight mentioned in Alsancak. It appears that the gardens are regularly maintained, but the lighting and security around the perimeter are somewhat neglected.



Also the Beleidiyere have repaired a lot of the road, but left the area in from of the house untouched. I have been told that this part of the road is owned by the house and not the belediyere.



Thanks for all the recommendations on more reading.



There are a few members on here that have extensive knowledge of the time and the history. I wonder if they (particularly Iceman) would consider giving a small talk?



I find it very hard to believe that the Turkish Army did not "take" by the word take, I mean establish an army camp on any peice of land that was not previously owned by non-Greek Cypriots. I say this because the land to the left of Metehan and the right of

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
09/11/2011 09:09

continued..



was a very affluent area. I believe it housed many dimplomatic properties. These may heve been rented, but nevertheless this area is now under the "ownership" of the Turkish Army.



I may be mistaken, but it was "taken" by the Turkish Army, but it may now be under the "ownership" of the TRNC Military. This explanation could answer the fact that the Turkish Army do not "use" any land that was previously owned by non GC's.



Inside this area, which i know quite well, used to be the "Officer's Club" as well as the Nicosia Golf Course. Many international banks had properties inside this area. I have seen an abandoned property belonging to Barclays Bank, which has not been touched since 1974.



I have more information on this area, but that's enough for now.



Bizzi Lizzi, yes Maria is still there, well she was last time I went. DC is correct. The best Kleftiko in Cyprus, well at least the North. Iceman also gave me that recommendation.



I will look at some o

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
09/11/2011 09:11

Missing place at the end of message message 21, or beginning of 22 should read Dereboyu.



Also, my last sentence should have read, I will look at some of the links in the near future.



Sorry for the error.

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
09/11/2011 10:31

Texas

My mobile # 05338610329....am sure we can find some time to have a coffee & a chat.

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
09/11/2011 10:49

I will certainly take you up on your kind offer. Perhaps even a light lunch at Padisha. If it's not too far for you to go!



Also, I had to re-boot my Sky HD box recently. How long does it take before the EPG is back to normal. It took 24 hours before I got even 1 item showing?



Now back to the topic!

spangles


Joined: 22/10/2008
Posts: 411

Message Posted:
09/11/2011 11:06

Thanks all this has been very interesting. I know the property in Alsancak you are referring to and have often wondered what it was/is (also why that bit of road was blocked off for a time).



Did the EU or ROC contribute to the renovations in Korucam? We went when the work first started and you couldn't move for builders' trucks - all from the South. Have to say they did a very good job - lovely village. Must try the kup kebab there.

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
09/11/2011 13:32

re: Msg 25

Epg on SKY boxes is carried on transponder #4 (11778V) which is on Astra 2A North and not available to small dishes in Cyprus.. (hence the need to manually input an alternative transponder to make the box boot...12207V)

Small dishes pick up 11778V on certain times of the day so,depending on how good the dish is aligned the time to download/display EPG varies from dish to dish..

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
09/11/2011 21:50

Where is the embassy property in Alsancak ?