Arrest over Insults to TRNC President

littlenige



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 10:39

Taken from page 11 cyprus Today, This weeks edition column 5 5th row.



Arrest over Insults



Two men aged 21 and 19 were arrested and remanded IN CUSTODY after levelling insults at trnc President Mehmit Ali Talat on their Facebook web page.



Lefkosia District courtheard the pair who have not been named,set uo a group on Facebook and made offensive remarks about Mr.Talat.

mikelapta



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 10:46

Perhaps that's the answer for those that make insults at other members on here.......off with their heads!

ronaldo


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 10:47

Let That be a lesson ! You know who you are.

Turbo


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 10:57

All hypocrites should be tarred and feathered for all to see, or a great big "H" branded on their foreheads.

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 11:09

What do people think about this really?



Is it right for it to be a criminal offence to insult a public figure?



It doesn't sound right at all to me but I can't see in my head any arguements for so are there any?



Paul

Pipie


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 11:13

Depends on if they were minor insults or insults that were of a slander nature , if they were minor , then no it is not right for arresting people on a whim , in fact this is worrying but need to see the comments before really commenting though . Hope this makes sense .

Turbo


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 11:16

Turkey is really big on "the public insults of public figures " remember the one journalist that was arrested a couple of years ago, then someone was shot and killed by a civilian for insulting Atatürk, it is taken very seriously .

TRNC is just an extension of Turkey in those matters.

There was also an international uproar when a cartoon of Mohamed was mocked by a Scandinavian country.

ronaldo


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 11:27

Hope its Pike ! sorry it cant be he"s not that old!















" Hope its Pike " Have you read anything that has been said on the forum about remarks like this ?

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 11:29

Slander and libel rules should obviously apply to all no matter who they are but I am from a culture where that is a civil matter so I am trying to understand a mindset that sees it as criminal.



If I were to write for arguement's sake as many have that Gordon Brown is an incompetent idiot then that would be a matter of opinion which even he would not sue for. Not sure that the same would be true under TRNC or Turkish criminal law.



P

Cypfan


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 16:18

If this is true it's an absolute disgrace in this day and age. Do people get locked up for slagging off Gordon Brown or any other European leader? I don't think so.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 17:18

If these lads were making terrorist threats then I can understand their detention. But if the report is true and they were merely insulting Talat, hen it seems to me the shadow of Turkey is looming yet again over the human rights of Turkish Cypriots. And the Turkish authorities have yet again shot themselves in the foot by showing that they're so afraid of criticism that they'll send the goons round to arrest young people for making free comment on Facebook. This will bring nothing but shame on Ankara and its proxies in north Cyprus.

Val44


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 17:44

Welcome back PP...

cocos


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 17:54

I haven't seen the paper so can't comment on what was allegedly said, maybe the people were poor innocent buyers of property here and had been blackmailed, threatened, defrauded, deceived and they had enough and flipped. Personal opinions should not be an arrestable offence, however, all of the above should be, so why are they arresting people for making comments under freedom of speech but not doing anything about the thousands here subject to the above mentioned crimes, hmmmm?

keithcaley



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 18:20

Cocos,

"Personal opinions should not be an arrestable offence"

Well it all depends on what those opinions are, and where you are expressing them.

In the UK, you can be arrested and charged for expressing your personal opinion on matters relating to Race, Religion, Sexual orientation, Sex with Minors, Terrorism and so on - particularly (but not exclusively) if those opinions are expressed in such a way as to promote or incite others to commit offences.

In Turkey - and by extension in TRNC - it is illegal to insult 'Turkishness', and that is taken to include Kemal Mustafa Attaturk whose very surname was bestowed on him to denote his revered position as the Father of the modern Turkish State.

Even insulting an official of the Government - the Attourney General was involved in a case recently - is included under this heading.

So there you go, local laws are there, whether you agree with them or not, and unless you are a citizen with a vote, you're stuck with them!

Keith.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 18:57

keithcaley: "In Turkey - and by extension in TRNC - it is illegal to insult 'Turkishness', and that is taken to include Kemal Mustafa Attaturk whose very surname was bestowed on him to denote his revered position as the Father of the modern Turkish State."



Keith, why should these draconian Turkish laws "extend" to the Turkish Cypriots? Why should Cypriots in Cyprus be arrested at the behest of Turkey? Do you support this?

Happy Hussar


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 19:57

Pikey

You continue to call President Talat 'Talat' on this board and you might be getting a knock on your door one of these days!!

Tony

elko2



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 20:15

I have not seen the Cyprus Today and have no idea about how the incident has been reported but the papers in Turkish gave some indication. These two young men set up a group on facebook and the group name included Talat's name with vulgarity. Even the papers had to use asterisks when printing the actual words.



They have asked for an opportunity to apologise to Talat in person and if I know Talat well enough, he will not insist on prosecution any further but it must be a good reminder to all that internet is a lovely media but that does not give licence to anyone to write whatever they like and act as irresponsibly as they like.

ismet

stewy


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 20:18

Obsessive-computer posting disorder (OCPD) is a potentially disabling anxiety disorder. The person afflicted with OCPD becomes trapped in a pattern of repetitive senseless thoughts and behaviors that are very difficult to overcome. A person's level of OCPD can be anywhere from mild to severe, but if severe and left untreated, it can destroy a person's capacity to function at work, at school or even to lead a comfortable existence in the home. They simply spend there whole life posting comments on computer forums.





Nige... Just say no

Val44


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 20:40

Stewy you stole my thunder.

keithcaley



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 21:09

Stewy, Val

It's not like wine you know - it doesn't get any better with age - so it won't get funnier by telling it over and over!



Pikey,

You ask "why should these draconian Turkish laws "extend" to the Turkish Cypriots?"

Answer - I don't know but they do - it's a fact of life. On second thoughts, maybe because the TCs feel an affinity to Turkey? Or maybe because it's in the Statute book? Or maybe because Turkey pays the bills?



"Why should Cypriots in Cyprus be arrested at the behest of Turkey?"

Answer - Support your contention that the arrests were "at the behest of Turkey"



"Do you support this?"

Answer - Do YOU? - Could any normal person from a Western democratic society support it?

I know that the last question, at least, was rhetorical, and that your response is likely to be "Then why are you supporting the regime that does these things by living in stolen property" - so let's get past that.

keithcaley



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 21:16

Contd...

I resisted visiting TRNC for many years because of what I thought that I knew about Turkey's Human Rights record, and what I thought I knew about the 'Invasion' but eventually realised that there was a lot more to it than that.

I would concede that you probably know a damned sight more about it than me, and I don't think that scoring points off me will give you much pleasure!

Good to see you back.

Keith.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 21:37

Keith,



I'm not trying to score points of anyone - just speak my mind about the situation as I see it. And I think it stinks to high heaven that Cypriots in their own country don't even have their own police force and are instead arrested on the orders of the Turkish army. Do you call that democracy or just Burma lite?

keithcaley



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 21:50

Pike,

"arrested on the orders of the Turkish army"

Well, we're back to that previous point, that you haven't answered yet - namely: -

Support your contention that the arrests were "at the behest of Turkey"

- and then provide evidence that they were "arrested on the orders of the Turkish army"

I would say that even if you can provide such evidence, I don't necessarily consider myself competent to answer, but I'm sure someone will have a go...

Keith.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 08:07

Stewy,



OCPD...



Have you not pondered the thought that some people obviously work in computing so they are able to partake of this forum and get paid for it!



Cracking good fun I would have thought and much more entertaining than sitting coding or doing other "real" work.....



BTW nicely harvested information about OCPD however altered and plagiarised....



As an observation; telling people to "get a life" is usually done by those who are feeling left out of the game.... how sad is that!... otherwise why would they be sitting on the sidelines shouting onto the field of play?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 13:03

keithcaley: "Well, we're back to that previous point, that you haven't answered yet - namely: - Support your contention that the arrests were "at the behest of Turkey" - and then provide evidence that they were "arrested on the orders of the Turkish army"



Keith,



That's easy. You appear not to realise the TRNC police are part of the Turkish army. The Turkish army has 40,000 troops occupying the north of Cyprus. The Turkish army is part of the Turkish state. Therefore police activities in the north of Cyprus are wholly at the behest of Turkey. Once you get your head round this fundamental point all the other political developments in the TRNC should make sense to you, I hope.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 14:41

msge 22



83% of TC's are saitisfied with the TRNC police force, 41% of those are highly satisfied.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 16:18

whats wrong with the turkish police ,what have they done wrong ,they do a decent job .



is it because they are trained by turkey is this what we are against,well without appearing to score points as some of us might like to think ,who is training the british police ,who runs the british police i am sure you are all aware of the arrest of mp damian green where 20 terror cops nick him ,who allowed it .

a former soilder who fought in afganistan and iraq was half beaten to death by three police like common thugs and all caught on cctv .

who trained these three police .



musin

long live the kktc

Turtle


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 17:23

To some people all things to do with Turkey or is Turkish in anyway seems to attract criticism, I suppose some will be having roast beef for christmas lunch?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 17:41

ilc msg 26,



Is a source for this information out of the question? And please make it a serious source.

gibson335


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 18:37

ilovecyprus/musinm



For God's sake don't say people are satisfied with the Police in TRNC. It might cause Pike to have a heart attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aga Buyers A G


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 21:46

Hmm I can better that insult on facebook after no answer to in excess of 1000 emails sent to him - I find that fact that he allows an alleged fugitive to roam his country fleecing unsuspecting people an (very rude word inserted here beginning with F) insult!



My Current facebook status is:-



" Suz thinks that President Talat of the TRNC is a p**ck for not replying to over 1000 email sent to him regarding being ripped off for £50k in his country. " 6 minutes ago - clear









Suz

ABAG

fire starter


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 21:49

does anyone know what nationality these guys were?

Aga Buyers A G


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 21:50

" now arrest us "



The court case and those we subpoena will make an interesting case for the media worldwide



:0)



Suz, Pat & Sandra



ABAG

jay76


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 22:21

had a run in with trnc police and they were very professional,in my eyes they do as there told.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 11:12

msge 29



Centre for European policy studies



Dislike of Turkish institutions like the police and army is a stance widely held by GC's and the minority of TC's, not the majority of TC's

Groucho



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 12:59

I would also say that dislike of The Police is wrong, wrong, wrong...



They are such a great band. ;¬)

Cyprusunday


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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 15:05

I find it quite amusing that this thread relates to people "dissing" the President. Agree with what he says or does or otherwise you could at least show some basic respect and spell his name correctly!

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 15:08

msge 38



Great band indeed Groucho

fire starter


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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 19:02

well we know why the tc's don't have a dislike of the police, its made up of family members of most of them,lol.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 19:18

Along with their mainland Turkish gaffers.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 20:04

so how many times on this board have i said to people be carefull what you say.

this just proves my point!