Ban on smoking in cars, yes or no

hattikins


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Message Posted:
16/11/2011 14:27

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8891521/Smoking-in-cars-should-be-banned-doctors.html



What do others think, is this a step too far?

Jonesy299


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 367

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 14:34

Carol - another pointless thread. If you are a smoker probably yes a step too far.. but be aware of threat to other passengers. If you are a non-smoker - similar response.



There you are - saved time.

Trevturk


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Posts: 69

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 15:27

Yes and no....

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
16/11/2011 15:41

Trevturk - now come on; don't sit on the fence



Seriously, I personally think it's another ridiculous Nanny State idea. There was a bit of a debate about it today on Radio2. As far as I'm aware, no-one is allowed to smoke in their truck/van etc. any more if it's a work vehicle, as this is classified as "smoking in the workplace". Another viewpoint is that smoking in cars should not be allowed if there are children as passengers. I suppose it's another one of those things that people will never reach agreement on?



Jean (who has not smoked for 6 weeks now - not that I'm counting, you understand )

mamachina


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Posts: 730

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 15:45

If you cant use a mobile you cant smoke - both use a hand and you are thinking of the cigarette not the road - maybe Im wrong but in an emergency where does the ciggy go - burn you, the car, the passenger?????

britvic



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Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 15:46

Well done Jeannie, I managed 5 Months, then went to NC and gave up giving in.



On the BBC News this morning they where saying the ban on smoking in your own car is going to be enforced whether or not you have passengers, possibly because of the distraction it causes?

Jonholmes


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Posts: 184

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 15:47

If they want to help health issues regarding smoking, why don't they just ban them? I have to agree with Jeannie another nanny state idea.There is a woman in the papers today,refusing to pay a 450 pound fine for dropping a cigarette on her own doorstep.She may face jail,what a joke!

Woodspeckie


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Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 18:07

The woman dropping the fag end was given a £75 fixed penaly and refused to pay it so went to court and fined £465, she said "I was outside my own house in my own street, what was I supposed to do put it out in my hand". She broke the law did she not think to go back into the house to put it out.

britvic



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Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 18:13

Message 8, most smokers don't smoke in their own homes (I don't, nor do I smoke in the car) maybe she could have taken the ash tray out with her though?

suelaura


Joined: 01/11/2011
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 18:23

i agree with message 9 ....

Jonholmes


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Posts: 184

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 18:52

Complete waste of tax-payers money.How many real criminals are running around,yet they take this woman to court .

The UK gone mad .

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:14

So typical of Britain today. - p a t h e t i c ! ! !



They will not be happy until they can enforce laws like how brown you can make your toast in the mornings, or how about how many times you walk/take excercise per week.



I did not leave because I was full of admiration for the government of the UK. The reverse was true, I despaired of where it was all going and just wanted out of it.



If they really want people to stop smoking, then stop importing them and manufacturing them. No fags, no smokers, no revenue - simple as!

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:16

If you have adults in the car,they can make a choice to stay in the car or get out,children do not have that choice. Think it could be a good idea.



To divert for a moment.

Look up how much the EU give to the tobacco industry. British American Tobacco ( BAT ) and other companies receive grants each year for re training inside and outside the industry.

The Greek tobacco growers depend on State and EU grants.

From 2011 until 2013 the Greek tobacco growers will receive 3000 euros each a year. There are 44000 of them.This is part of a 568 million promised by the state and the EU in 2004.

The EU spent 26,000,000 on adverts telling us not to smoke as it is bad for your health.

You could not make it up.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:17

Dont give a monkeys really,as long as i am not in the same car,as someone thats dragging (ex smoker) we are the worst,



Paul.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:19

There is supposed to be a ban on using mobiles,whilst driving.Which i totally agree with,but it still goes on.How can it be policed,



Paul.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:24

Hattie,



I used to be a serious serial smoker.



As a rep have you ever come out of a meeting with a 200 mile drive home?



Of course it is wrong if there are others especially children in the car.Do you have to legislate to force people to act responsibly, or with courtesy?



But your personal space is just that, and this nanny state wants to concentrate, on matters of importance to th e state, and teach personal responsibility in the schools



But there again at £80 a throw, it would be a nice little earner. At least we understand their true intent.



wyn

Trevturk


Joined: 08/11/2011
Posts: 69

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:27

Would you pass a driving test if you were smoking during it??? also thought you was supposed to keep your hands on the wheel exept when you change gear !!!! I'm a non smoker so I'm biased hate being in a car when someone is smoking...

Ossie


Joined: 19/01/2008
Posts: 311

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:33

Lighting up a fag in the car means you are not concentrating on driving similar to using the mobile.It may only take a few seconds to light up or answer, but, in that short time wham you may have hit another car,a person or moved off your line of travel.SOOOO, it may be encroaching upon an individuals freedom but safe driving is paramount.

Jonholmes


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Posts: 184

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:35

It is NOT about safe driving , it was a recommendation by doctors.

Blackbird



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Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:44

As a non smoker I agree with most of the comments on here that think it is not a good idea to smoke in the car.

I have just hired a van for a few days, and it is obvious - despite the ban allready - that the previous renter smoked.

Everytime I turn on the heater it stinks of stail ciggie smoke.....horrible!

Ossie


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Posts: 311

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:46

Irrepspective of what doctors say I would have thought any lack of concentration on driving due to using a mobile phone or taking your eyes off the road to light a fag is important.Its the lighting up that I think is the main issue not the smoking it self.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:47

Its about cash, and finding plod something to do, that is within his mental capacity



Smoking whilst driving .Parking,eating an apple while driving, speeding. Driving without due care!

Drinking whilst driving. Fill the till time!



My Doctor drinks and drives. Bloody good doctor imho.



wyn

Jonholmes


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Posts: 184

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:49

Well said wyn, Just another excuse to make money.

paddywack


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Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:53

Ban smoking, period.

Jonholmes


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Posts: 184

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:56

Paddywack, exactly but they won't due to the tax revenue , that is what is so 2-faced.

teatime


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Posts: 852

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:58

Msg. 21. there are loads of things that can cause a distraction when driving, radio, eating sweets etc, talking to others in the car, admiring the scenary etc. etc. etc. Might be a better idea to ban driving altogher then. As has been said previously, they can't enforce the mobile phone whilst driving legislation, so how would they enforce the smoking one?

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 19:59

Msg 24,



Ban work, and we would all live a lot longer!



wyn

Jonholmes


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Message Posted:
16/11/2011 20:01

What about the electric cigarettes that give off smoke, will they be banned too?

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 20:04

Msg28,



Not in The TRNC!



There are so many power cuts, you would never have time to commit an offence!



wyn

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 20:06

I smoke in my own car when on my own or with smoking passengers and I resent any attempt to stop me by petty people who have worse habits and are only trying to make themselves important because they arent and drive others to tobacco and worse through stress.



I do not LIGHT a cigarette or use a mobile phone when driving - both take my eyes and attention from the road. Lighter and mobile stay firmly in my handbag and if I feel the need to use either I wait till it is safe to pull off the road.

andrew4232



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Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 20:19

what a sad post have we lost the plot in life

shrimp


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Posts: 939

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 20:19

maybe children should then be banned too, they can be a complete distraction, crying, screaming, shouting etc.......how many times have we turned round to look at them in the back seat whilst driving!! I am a none smoker (now) but to be told I cannot smoke in my car would send smoke coming out of my ears!!!

paddywack


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Posts: 959

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 20:54

Msg 32,

I don't think it is the distraction, I think it is the harm passive smoking does to other passengers.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 21:45

People should use their own discretion. If I were in a car with someone who smoked I would like to think they wouldn't light up with a non-smoker in the car.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 21:49

Bill - exactly. I think it would be courteous not to light a cigarette in a car where there were also non-smokers.



Having said that, I don't like being TOLD what to do, e.g. not smoke in my own car.



J

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 21:56

Ban passengers in all cars and you won't have an excuse to ban anything else! Oh yes, ban all cars on the road for causing distractions to drivers, hmmmm. Ban, ban, ban, ban that's the way forward - never mind common sence, ban that as well. Get a petition started to tax banning things and the government will agree and pass the law that ban's the ban.



There you go, just a few ban thoughts, anymore???

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
16/11/2011 21:57

waddo. ) ) )

barbieb


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Posts: 277

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 22:00

There has been a similar post on here ages ago, and my answer is the same as then if I purchase a car and want a cigarette in it I shall do so, I am the one who has paid for it, but in the same sentence I will say if there was a child in it I would not dream of it, and a non smoker I would ask do they mind, and my friends and passengers are honest so would tell me and I would respect it, I will not be told by someone who has not paid for my car what I can and can't do in it if it does not affect my driving ability!

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 22:05

why dont they just ban fags then ?

Trevturk


Joined: 08/11/2011
Posts: 69

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 22:10

Smoking... covert suicide

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 22:37

Rowlo, message 39.



They could, but they won't. At around £7.00 for 20 B & H now and God knows how much of that tax going to thye government, they couldn't afford to

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 22:47

jeannie , false economy my dear, think of the trillions they would save the nhs on smoking related diseases ? then again people would live longer , i suppose they see it as coffers in coffins out .

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 22:47

Ban Pensioners from smoking then they can't moan about not having enough pension to live off.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 23:37

Smokers are under attack and I guess they will continue to be.





Must be frustrating for doctors treating smokers who have contracted serious illnesses, who wont give up, but constantly make demands on their skills, budget and time.



Ultimately non smokers have to pay for a smokers medical treatment.



With soaring medical costs, in the future, people who don't take care of their health may be penalised. This may be the thin edge of the wedge.



Just a thought.

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 23:44

and alchoholics, obese people, anorexics, drug addicts, all these people could be said to have brought it on themselves...........Maybe we should just forget the NHS altogether and go down the private health care route.......I think it is heading that way...............



I have to admit I was seriously annoyed when a resident of our village who smoked even when he was on oxygen , had a lung transplant recently.........he is back out of hospital now, looking much fitter, but yes, you have guessed it, is stilll smoking his 40 ciggs a day...........

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
16/11/2011 23:52

A friend of mine had a stent put in his leg for hardening of the arteries last year, he was told he had to give up smoking, he didn't and is going into hospital for an op tomorrow for another stent.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 00:01

let the guy die in peace , maybe he fought in wars , seen some side of life that you can only dream of , why were you so annoyed ? maybe you aint done as much living as him , god did not put you hear to judge others ? so why do it , did you pay for the treatment ? what concern is it of yours how people choose to live they're lives ? who died and made you holier than holy ? get a life , and let people who have , live it .

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 00:05

Wish they'd had the ban when I was a kid - suffered for years while Dad smoked in the car

No wonder I had asthma and was car sick, but they didn't know any different in those days.

No excuse now for it.

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 00:17

Message 45, I was annoyed because a non smoker that needed the lung transplant might take more care of it.....lungs are not easily come by!!..........and yes as tax payers we ARE paying for it.............He was told he would only be able to have a lung transplant if he gave up smoking. The op cost thousands of pounds and the after care lots more............THAT is why I am annoyed.

MsGarnet


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Posts: 989

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 01:36

Dying for a cigarette - ashes to ashes - your life going up in smoke - et cetera...

Jonholmes


Joined: 08/11/2011
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 01:44

How much tax do smokers pay into the NHS , I guess more than the non-smokers .Guess what everyone dies in the end, I am sure drinkers cost more especially in A/E on a weekend.

Trevturk


Joined: 08/11/2011
Posts: 69

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 06:38

Alcoholics....anorexia....and drug addicts are all sick people they might seem to bring it on themselves but they have a diseae an illness as recognised by the W.H.O so they are as inititled to health care just like diabetics....just saying...

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 10:28

msge 51



If taxation from cigarettes go directly to the NHS then that could be true that smokers pay more to the NHS. I suspect though, that smokers make more use of the NHS. About 12 years ago I worked quite closely with medical actuarials in the private sector and I was astounded at the cost of medical bills. A coronary heat operation would cost 20,000 pounds. I even saw a cancer patients treatment over two years cost 100,000 pounds. Medical inflation at the time (which is different from retail inflation) was running at about 14% and I expect that hasn't changed much. So the costs are soaring all the time.



You are absolutely right about alcohol. I also know that alcohol abuse creates a lot of problems for the police (as well as drugs).

Enrico


Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 209

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 10:33

One advantage that smokers have, is the knowledge that bronchitis, emphysema and cancer etc will never affect them. It is always somebody else that gets it, and they will live to a ripe old age.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 10:36

msge 54



My father contracted emphysema. He has never smoked in his life, however he shared an office for twenty years with a chain smoker. My father had a heart attack and eventually went on to have a coronary artery bypass.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 11:24

I'm sure everyone is aware of the dangers of smoking but surely people are able to make up their own minds as to whether or not they choose to smoke.The thing about this latest suggestion is that it is, in my opinion, yet another example of the nanny state syndrome, the fact is that if people are irresponsible and inconsiderate they will still smoke in the car irrespective of who the passengers are, legislation won't change that.

I am a non smoker now ( four years) but feel very strongly that if someone has paid for their car and taxed and insured it then they are entitled to smoke in it if they choose to, where do you draw the line, what next, being told what you can and can't do in your own home, people must be given the right to make their own choices and be trusted to act in a socially acceptable manner.

blade


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Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 11:56

If you are the only one in your car then it should be your choice. If children are in the car it should be banned, adults have a choice kids don't.

The problem is for us who do smoke in our cars, the reason behind doing it is, smoking is banned in most places now. Then peoples life styles are so busy they haven't got time to stop ,have a coffee , a cigarette and chat with friends. We spend so much time working running around. So it fits in to have a fag in the car.

After all they the goverments trained us idiots to multi task now they are complaining.

LandP


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Posts: 38

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 12:24

I do not know if any of you are aware but it is a motoring offence in the TRNC to smoke whilst driving.

davpat


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Posts: 225

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 15:06

I was asked once if I smoked whilst making love,I said I hadnt noticed!!!

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 16:53

@ msg 1, hattikins: I called the Information Office of the TRNC Ministry of Interior - they asked me what you are talking about?

muffin


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Posts: 83

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 17:08

Disgusting habit. Both my parents smoked heavily as they were the wartime generation. I hated the smell of it and never smoked. My exhusband died at the age of 63 - heavy smoker, my father died at 63 - heavy smoker.

Smoking in the car is yet another unwanted distraction to the driver and is the perfect scenario for pacific smoking for any passenger. So - yes, it should be banned

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 17:48

Message 60



Pathetic!

Pairika


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Posts: 10

Message Posted:
17/11/2011 21:26

Msg 60

I laughed when I saw what you read.

This is an answer which could be given by nearly half of Cypriot officers.



Msg 62

I agree.

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
18/11/2011 09:38

How sad,

yet another post regarding governments sitting in their little offices debating more laws to gain revenue.

With all the poverty, child abuse, bullying etc.,going on in the world, is this what it's coming to?



Do you really think that in this day and age, people need to be told by governments what is bad for you?

I would so just love the 'powers that be', to spend more time trying to stop child abuse etc.



Remember years ago when we were told that we would be prosecuted for smacking our children if they were naughty?

How crazy did that one go?



What about parents allowing their children to indulge in burgers etc., when they are already overweight?

Will this be yet another subject the government can enforce fines?



What happened to common sense?

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
18/11/2011 19:14

Message 57. I agree - it is stress that is the killer. If there were fewer people imposing stress on others, and more time and opportunity for healthy relaxation, there would be less need for tobacco, alcohol, drugs (prescription or other) comfort eating, kicking the cat etc. etc. etc.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
19/11/2011 18:23

They came for the smokers, and I did not speak out—because I was not a smoker;

They came for the obese, and I did not speak out—because I was not obese;

They came for the drinkers, and I did not speak out—because I was not a drinker;

When they came for me there was no one left to speak out.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
19/11/2011 20:12

66. ) )

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 12:16

I see doctors are now backtracking. They admit that they were wild in their estimates, saying that it may only be eleven times more toxic smoking in a car than a smoky bar. They also admit that the environmental pollution from traffic congestion may be just as unhealthy.

martinD41


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Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 12:33

msg68 So the power station is in truth a real health hazard.....Cough!..Cough.!!.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 12:41

msge 69



It is old technology. Cant be much good coming out of that.

MedOne


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Posts: 27

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 12:46

I can see the point but until they finish what they started with the mobiles and make sure everyone is taken to task who uses a mobile, I'm not supporting a smoking ban in cars. I get really frustrated when I see people driving along, or worse still trying to manouvre with a phone to their ear.

Redwine


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Posts: 565

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 14:02

Why not get fact right first.

It's not the governement imposing the ban its the BMA requesting the government to think about it.

Anyway It doesn't bother me I live in TRNC so won't affect me if it was introduced. It's my car soace and that's that.