Population census December 2011

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
20/11/2011 18:26

I have been told that the population census is on the 4th December and as my wife and I leave for a short break to the UK on that day we will have to have permission to leave the country. Is this correct ,assuming the census is on the 4th ?

Can anyone explain the procedure for getting permission to leave the country on census day ?

Thanks for any advice given.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
20/11/2011 18:41

If you have a valid flight ticket then you should not have a problem and if you are stopped by the Police then you may have to fill in a census form at the roadside. Allow a bit extra on your travel time to cater for this.

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
20/11/2011 18:45

During the last cencus you had to go to the police station and get permission.

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 06:22

Gooligan is correct this is what happened last time they did a census, please go to the police station before you travel and get permission.

sonypro


Joined: 10/10/2011
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 07:04

what about those who are out of the country those who use their properties for holidays ??????

Bowman


Joined: 02/05/2007
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 09:00

Isthe Cencus on the 4th of December then?

Deniz1


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Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 09:04

Amandas auctions have changed their date to Sat 3rd to avoid the census so i guess thats correct.

Tango1


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Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 09:58

BRS Government Liason Officer has still not been able to ascertain for certain that it's been changed from December 4th, so I suspect we can safely assume it is, but don't totally rely on it though. The first people to know of any change will be T C papers and TV!! Sundays 4th December Church service has been changed to Saturday evening - just in case.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 11:23

Oh another b other. we have to take our son to the airport that day. so do we need permission to travelto Ercan???? what a pain. Last time there was a census we were in the south, and no one wanted toknow. we even went to give our details (having e mailed before we went) and was told' As you were out of the country it doesn't matter.' Always being willing to conform to rules and regs, I found that a little mystifying.

But of course god will be happy, Tango 1 cos he gets a nice lot of praise a little early that week. Just like the roman Catholics who say that Saturday night is valid for Sunday.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 11:32

The Anglican god and the Roman Catholic god and all other higher beings surely must know the date of the census - email them!

MedOne


Joined: 01/01/2011
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 12:58

There is only one God, no matter what religion you follow to worship him. Here is not for that debate though.



Agreed, the census sounds like a pain in the backside. Can't wait for 5th Dec.

Ralph96



Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 531

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 15:13

Carn't see the Cense in it myself...

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 17:22

Have been to check and anyone travelling that day must have a valid reason.

The census has not been confirmed as the 4th Dec but we have been told that we must go to the council offices in Girne three days before where we will be given the paper work that will permit us to travel out of the TRNC on the day of the census.

We will have to take passports and proof of flights.

The above information was given to us in the Mukhtar's office after they had phoned the Girne Council office. The reason for the three days before advice was because the date had not been confirmed yet.

There will also be a third person who will go with us to bring my car back and we were told that he should be able to get travel documents as well.

Hope this helps anyone else travelling around on census day

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 17:57

Thanks message 13. For once you are not an unlucky number. We will pop into the police station in the week (as in next week) and ascertain what's what and get the relevant permission. and yes, it does indeed help. So thanks a million.

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 18:42

Sounds to me like cowboy territory!



Did you hear about the homosexual Cowboy ?



Rode into town, and shot up the Sherrif.



wyn

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 20:16

Note for all regarding this topic,



Only workers at the health service and emergency services will be permitted on the street with permit, if you are flying out of Ercan or Larnaca, you will need to get their before the shutdown comes in effect.



All north - south borders will be closed from 7am - 6pm. all passengers arriving or departing into/ftom Ercan will remain at the airport until the census has finished.

all passengers crossing from the borders will remain on the greekside untill 6pm, no exit or entry into TRNC on that day, from the above times.

regarding the date, the Police HQ are stating the 4th Dec.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 20:49

Note for all regarding this topic,



Only workers at the health service and emergency services will be permitted on the street with permit, if you are flying out of Ercan or Larnaca, you will need to get their before the shutdown comes in effect.



All north - south borders will be closed from 7am - 6pm. all passengers arriving or departing into/ftom Ercan will remain at the airport until the census has finished.

all passengers crossing from the borders will remain on the greekside untill 6pm, no exit or entry into TRNC on that day, from the above times.

regarding the date, the Police HQ are stating the 4th Dec.

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 23:07

Erkin. the information given to us was as stated in message 13.

Could you tell me where you get your information from .

Thanks.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 23:34

Welll I reckon getting our son to the airport is an emergency service, and if the police will not allow both of us, surely they will allow one of us. I don't understand what you mean Erkin by sdaying 'if flying out of Ercan you will need to get there before the shutdown comes in effect' but that is 6a.m. isn't it, and our son is flying out just before 6p.m. which means he needs to be there by around 4p.m. which means we must leave at 3a.m. So, don't understand.

also does it mean that flights will be delayed. Now I am REALLY confused.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 23:51

Hi Marion

This morning i spoke with the police Hq in Lefkosa, according to the info they gave, no person is permitted on the streets after 7am.Unless you work in the hospital or other emergency services, or u need to visit the hospital for emergency.

All flights will continue to arrive and depart as normal but all passengers must be at the aiport before the 7am dealine.



All entries into TRNC via Ercan will continue as normal but incoming passengers will have to remain at the aiport untill the the country re-opens again at 18:00 as no taxi or Kibhas services will be operating untill after 18:00.



All border crossings between TRNC and the south will also be closed and person arriving into the TRNC via the south will be kept at the border again untill 18:00



any person in the street between the hours of 7am and 6pm will be arrested and taken to the police station until the census have been completed.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 00:02

Marion if your sons flight is at 6pm then sorry to inform you but looks like an early wake up call for you and your son.



You must be back in the comfort of your home by 7am or u have to stay with your son at the airport until 18:00, if you do choose to stay at the Airport and want to be count in the census then you need to take documents (Kimlik) if you are eligable to be counted.



Even I as a Tc can not be counted as i live on the Greekside, How nice is that.:(

The purpose of the census is not just for a count, but also to see how many Tc and how many mainlanders are resident in TRNC, this is a bit of a rusehd job, as the Gc cypriot goverment want the numbers in accordence with the UN.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 00:14

Hmm. And I thought they said theywould make the next one easier. I wish now David hd booked into Larnaca, as I could hve gone over the day before and had a mini holuiday. As it is, it is pergatory. I don't do mmorning, and I guess I owuld have to stay at the airport , or I can see that he would never want to return here with such barbaric impositions on a holiday maker!



are taxis allowed to operate??? If so, we willk put him in one of those. Or maybe I should hire an ambulance as an emergency service?????????????????????/

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 08:30

LOL

Marion u can put your son in a Taxi at 6am yes, but i don't think that many taxi drivers will risk being stuck at the airport all day, if they do take him to the airport, I am sure they to will want to be back at home by 7am.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 08:46

You think this is bad Marion try being in Turkey when the census is being done.



They shut down the country from 6am untill 10pm and still can not get the figures right.



outdated system of counting people like sheep.

summertime


Joined: 09/06/2010
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 10:04

İ think as with most things over here,there is a lot of speculation as to what will happen and what to do, if i was you i would go the district council a few days before the census is due(thats if it has not been changed again by then) and get your permission and then take it to the police station and confirm and then you can be sure from all sides as to what is required as they never know the exact protocol until just beforehand.

MedOne


Joined: 01/01/2011
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 10:43

What makes a person 'eligible' to be included in the census?



Erkin, you mentioned it's just for checking how many TCs and mainlanders are here. So if someone knocks on your door and you're an ex-pat living there will they just say thank you and go away?

dvdjohn


Joined: 27/10/2011
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 11:06

Med One. As stated before, when they call they will need to see your passport, it is to count all people living in the TRNC, if you are not on there docs they will add you to there figures with an address. If you refuse to answer the door and a neighbour tells them there is someone living at that address they will call the police.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 11:38

If you are an ex pat who has been given a Kimlik then you will be counted in the actual census, otherwise they will fill in the form just to show how many other nationalities are resident in the TRNC.



Yes all homes will be checked, in some respect this is good, beacuse from this we can also see how many people are living in Greek Kocan homes as well, this is another reason for the census.

As the housing issue is one of the biggest problems of the talks between the goverments.



Please not that if the person from the census office suspects that there are people in the home, as stated in MSG 27 the police can use force to gain entry into the house.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 11:40

msg 25, by all means get a comfirmation as i stated i got my info from the Police HQ in Lefkosa,

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 16:47

Your census is taking place on 4th December according to BRT TV/Radio.



"A full day curfew will be imposed during the population census. A nation-wide census will be carried out on the 4th of December, it has been announced."

TheScarlets



Joined: 14/04/2009
Posts: 877

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 23:17

Can we arrange a lock in somewhere?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 23:56

What about all those poor Turkish workers that appear to live in shanty towns on building sites or reside in half built properties. Are they included in the census?

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 00:51

Bradus, one would think so... are they really interested in anyone else apart from them and TC's.

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 01:38

shanty towns , are you for real bradus ? did some one drag them ,kicking and screaming to trnc ? i think not .

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 12:33

Bradus, isn't that part of the whole idea, to find out just how many legal people and illegals there are here.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 12:53

bad news folks,



the Curfew will take effect from 5am and not 7am as previously stated.



5am - 6pm and no bar will be able to serve sprits until after 7pm.

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 14:07

Have been to the Council office and all sorted. Photo copies of flight details,the details of my wife, myself, the car driver plus the car.

The council off ice is the build ing by the hospital, not the tax office but the one in front and the office is up the stairs and at the top turn right then left and its the office on the left.

Young man in there ( who speaks very good English ) and a lady and both very helpful.

nuttynora


Joined: 29/05/2009
Posts: 118

Message Posted:
26/11/2011 13:51

Are you allowed to be out of the country say from the 2nd to the 6th of Dec without needing permission????

carian


Joined: 13/03/2009
Posts: 336

Message Posted:
26/11/2011 13:57

Should think you don't need permission to go away. Last time a lot of people went away for the weekend.

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
26/11/2011 17:21

The restrictions only apply on census day.

Pippie


Joined: 02/12/2009
Posts: 1288

Message Posted:
26/11/2011 18:58

But if people decide to go away for the weekend as Carian has said in msg 39 to avoid all the bother of the curfew, won't that make a mess of the figures regarding how many people live in the TRNC?!



Will hotels have the responsibility of ensuring all guests know they can't leave their hotel that day? And, what about people who live in the UK and rent out their property here, they may not know about the census and if they have people renting out on that day, suppose they venture out to go off enjoying their holiday, what might happen to them???



I have so many questions, I've never been through this before, and I can understand other people's frustrations.

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
26/11/2011 21:57

You just couldn't make it up could you?! Pathetic!

Pippie


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Posts: 1288

Message Posted:
26/11/2011 22:11

You've gotta laugh, no point in beating your head against a brick wall!

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
26/11/2011 22:22

If your residency is up to date or you have a valid 90 day visa or work permit I can't see why anyone should worried.

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 1024

Message Posted:
27/11/2011 07:04

I would have thought that it would be in the interests of the ex-pat community to make the biggest showing possible rather than run away to avoid a little inconvenience.

The TRNC government will notice how may ex-pats appear to be here and the degree to which they listen to our concerns will be influenced by that.

Pippie


Joined: 02/12/2009
Posts: 1288

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 19:59

Jovial John, I've got to admire your optimism!

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 11:59

Unless you have someone arriving or leaving, I can't see the problem of being asked to stay indoors for one day of the year. Why is everyone making such a big deal of it.? Last time it all went off very quietly, and people just stayed in for the day.

carian


Joined: 13/03/2009
Posts: 336

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 14:18

Actually last time it was quite nice, you knew you couldn't go anywhere so got on with it and there was no traffic noise or hunting gunfire. Very peaceful. Lots of people had street parties, although it was April not December !

authentichoccie


Joined: 09/01/2008
Posts: 481

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 18:35

Before I pass on incorrect info to someone, am i right in thinking that guests staying in a hotel here in the North that normally reside in the South, won't be able to go home until after 6pm?? The border is closed?

Pippie


Joined: 02/12/2009
Posts: 1288

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 20:03

Carian, are street parties allowed if we're all meant to be home to answer the door when the authorities come calling? I would have thought you couldn't even go to visit a neighbour, or is it not as strict as that?

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 20:06

We had our next-door neighbours round for a barbecue last time after we had been 'done', but I believe we were all supposed to stay in our own homes until 6 pm.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 20:44

what about walking dogs? ;-)

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 22:56

Have just been today and handed in all my paperwork ( photo copies ) to the Karmakan office.

Told they will ring me when it has been signed and passed which should be tomorrow.

Young man said there should be no problem.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
01/12/2011 08:24

Well said message 41! After all we live in the KKTC, and must abide by their rules no matter how frustrated they make us feel at times.

chrisieh1


Joined: 13/04/2009
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
01/12/2011 12:33

Does anyone know the answer to message 49 - am i right in thinking that guests staying in a hotel here in the North that normally reside in the South, won't be able to go home until after 6pm?? The border is closed?

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
01/12/2011 14:33

I'm sure we can all manage one day indoors, I'm going to decorate my Christmas tree and finish off the baking, hubby will probably be watching football so it should be a pleasant day all round.

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
01/12/2011 15:39

It will be like the "old Welsh Sunday"when I was a lad.No shops open,no pubs open.



I have promised Meral I will learn Turkish ALL day !!!!



Mike

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
01/12/2011 16:20

The only difference there Mike is that it won't be a *dry* Sunday, remember those?

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 11:02

Well I have just been informed by My employer that they cant get a permission slip for me to work on Sunday, probably one of the busiest days for taking holiday bookings !!!,and have just had two census people round checking that I'll be in on Sunday and asking who lives nearby.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 16:57

once they have been go out if you want

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 17:11

Posted earlier in the flights 2011 and 2012 thread - a timely reminder for "visitors":



The full extract* from the FCO (UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office) :-



On Sunday 4 December 2011 from 05:00 to 18:00 there will be a census curfew in place in North Cyprus. This will mean that the crossing points will be closed. Foreign visitors and residents in the north can obtain a concession pass at air and sea ports. Visitors will not be able to travel to the north unless there is an emergency.

* join us and see the tweet at @iah_travel

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 1024

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 18:22

cyprusairsoft message 60

If you mean go out shopping or to a bar I think you are mistaken.

Please be certain of your facts and be very clear about what you mean - people could get into trouble if they misunderstand your post.