North Cyprus Property - Is it Safe to Buy ?

Marilyn


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Message Posted:
27/11/2011 14:25

I have just been watching a You Tube video on whether it is safe to buy in North Cyprus or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o86V4NdzZPY

Towards the end of the video, just after Cherie Blair is mentioned, the phone rings. I was wondering if Cherie was on the line ?

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
27/11/2011 14:31

http://no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com

andre514


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Message Posted:
27/11/2011 15:49

marilyn,



below the video player hardy is quoted as saying that property in north cyprus is "outstanding value":



if you can sidestep the usual club-med hassles with builders and developers etc this is unassailable,

and any dream of reconquering the north via the courts has since february 2010 been ruled out of order



I notice you state your surname is "prudence"

...could you by any chance be related to one prudence kitten, a hand-in-glove-powered puppet character

who graced the screens of britain's single tv channel in the early 1950's?



I think we should be told

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
27/11/2011 16:36

Marylin,



Is that a correct e mail address,



Paul.

Marilyn


Joined: 29/08/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
27/11/2011 18:38

Hi

Yes, that is my email address. I also adminster this website, and you can contact me there if you like -

http://www.north-cyprus-property.org/

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/11/2011 19:12

e mail not working,please reply to p.brod31@yahoo.co.uk



Paul.

BIllie Boo


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Posts: 25

Message Posted:
28/11/2011 12:49

Yes, the Orams did us Cherie Blair, paid for by the TRNC/Turkey, but the EU still recognised the authority of the Greek CYpriot Court judgements.

re Msg 3

After Orams, the Euro Court of Justice did start referring all claims by Greek Cypriots to the Immovable Property Commission. But as they are closing the door on new applications in December, that may throw things into chaos again.

cooper


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Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
28/11/2011 13:23

Billi Boo the door for greeks to apply to the IPC will remain open because the december deadline has been extended for another two or three years, can't remember which.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
28/11/2011 13:38

You only have to trawl through a few of the topics on buying property on this forum to know the answer. NO

cooper


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Message Posted:
28/11/2011 13:46

You speak for yourself Hector I'm more than happy with our purchase but as I've said before if I was to do it again I would only buy a completed property built on exchange land and who's current owners had kocan in hand.

newlad



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Message Posted:
28/11/2011 15:06

Re-mess 9,



Would have to disagree with you on that one Hector,



Paul.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
28/11/2011 19:22

An honest answer would have to be: sometimes but not always.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
28/11/2011 20:26

According to the Judge at the Tutuska hearing in chambers today, buying in property in North Cyprus is a gamble, like putting your money on the stock market. Now you are all feeling really reassured, because if the Judiciary feel that way, God help us all.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
28/11/2011 20:34

Remember, this was not a foreigner the Judge was talking about, this was a Turkish Cypriot pensioner. The fact that the builder is a rogue who has just come out of prison, no blame apportioned to him, it was all the purchasers fault for taking the gamble. yeh she had a crystal bal and could foresee the future. Better to feed your money into the one arm banidits at the casino, at least they feed and water you there and you know you are gambling up front.



If the Judges talk this way, how can the property market ever recover?

Marilyn


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Posts: 52

Message Posted:
28/11/2011 23:37

I don't know the full details of the Nurettin Tutuska scandal, so could I ask a few simple questions -

Guray Haksever of Korinia and Ahmet Kaya had a Memorandum granted which could force a sale of the development, but at auction there were no bids ? So, will the whole development go to auction again ?

Did any of the purchasers have their Contract of Sale registered prior to the Memorandum being granted ?

As someone else has said, the purchasers are Turks and Turkish Cypriots, and denial of justice is not just for foreigners from the UK.

newlad



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Message Posted:
28/11/2011 23:50

Marilyn,



You owe me an e mail,



Paul.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 00:20

where else can you get a 4 bed villa with pool for 50k , of course its safe to buy , it would be rude not to .

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 00:34

Rowlo,



lol

rowlo



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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 00:39

where you been blackpoolfan ? and dont say saving up for the villa , lmao .

Blackpoolfan


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Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 00:44

Working hard to pay the bills and keep the benefit bods in the lap of luxury

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 08:09

Marilyn to answer your questions. About the Contracts - I am led to believe some were registered but before or after the memorandums, I do not know, Probably like K5 had to sign to say they accepted the Memorandums or they would not have been allowed to register, (am sure about K5, registered Contracts after, because I did sign whatever they wrote in TUrkish to acknowledge the memorandums, but took the precaution of writing WITHOUT PREJUDICE above it).



Tutuska is saying the initial creditors you mention have been dealt with but anything that comes out of his mouth is suspect. If it were true he would be able to give the Tutuska victims their kocans and he is not, it will be Memorandums putting them way down the line of creditors.



Yes there is every possibility of a further auction. You Couldn't Make It Up.

foxylad


Joined: 01/11/2011
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 08:34

A trnc judge says in an ongoing court case when you buy property in North Cyprus it is a gamble, like putting your money in the Stock Market (borsa)buying in North Cyprus is a gamble.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 08:38

Marilyn

From you website.....I think this is a bit strong....

"Cyprus Border Crossing Problems

This page alerts readers to the problems and dangers in crossing from North Cyprus to the Greek Republic of Cyprus.

Travellers are routinely taken to South Nicosia Police Station for further questioning."

I know it has happened but I don't know anyone who it has happened to... so to state that "Travellers are routinely taken to South Nicosia Police Station for further questioning" is a bit of an overstatement....

I see you are sponsored by Wellington Estates... you should tell them their video is pants! It hardly has the cachet to sell anything it seems so - boring... looks more like an Osama Bin Laden promo...

Browneyes


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Posts: 52

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 09:41

MSJ 15 Marilyn

You seem to know the Tutuşka case quiet well, UNFORTUATELY the contracts were not registered at all the Tapu. So the purchasers interests were never recognised. YES we are more than likely looking at another auction in the near future but we dont know when.

THERE IS NO SOLUTION FOR THE TUTUŞKA PROBLEM!!!!! Eventually all the buyers will be evicted and many retired pensioners will be left homeless and penniless .... WHO CARES ..... !!!!!

The builders get richer as the victims suffer ........ WELCOME TO NORTH CYPRUS.....

SuziSuz


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Posts: 135

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 11:19

This is nearer to the truth of "Is it safe to buy"



http://www.youtube.com/user/AGADevelopment#p/u/7/A-zlLKvIGRk



BTW Marilyn How many Wellington Estates customers have their kocans ?

SuziSuz


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Posts: 135

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 11:21

whoops wrong link again......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-zlLKvIGRk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

BIllie Boo


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Posts: 25

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 11:21

Hi Groucho

The Osama Bin Laden videos may be boring to you, but they continue to inspire many young men to sign up for Jihad and possible death. The Wellington Estates video does not have music, gizmos and special effects like crash/bang/wallop but tries to make a sensible evaluation of property. Personally, I do not agree with the conclusion, but Im sure some people who are thinking about buying in TRNC would find it useful.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 13:37

It is not safe to buy in North Cyprus, even the Judges know that. hence the comment in chambers at the.

Tutuska hearing. Nurretin Tutuska is a cheating, rubber cheque issuing liar. Not allegedly, but fact., when he departs this earth, we all know where he is going. Straight to hell.



Anyone thinking of buying in North Cyprus at this moment in time should be subjected to a sanity test. I wish I had been.





To all the 'I'm alright Jacks and Jills, I would say - are you? Are you sure?

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 13:49

Suzisuz You know I am with you 100% and will not be quiet until Justice is done. NO time soon judging from

the comments coming from the Judges. Promises, what are they? Things they break with alarming regularity.



Will any of us live long enough??

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 14:21

Marllyn, does it really matter who the scumbag is. Does it really matter if the Contract was registered or not. Nothing can justify the crime, the Builder took the money and then through his dodgy dealings and his cesspit ways has caused problems for so many. Their nationality is irrelevent, a victim is still a victim, Venusian, Martian, British of Turkish Cypriot, the crime is still the same. Until this country recognises fraud as the criminal acticity it is, nothing will change. Until Estate Agents, Advocates, Builders and landowners clean up their acts, no one should buy in the TRNC.



The antiquated laws would not matter if all of the above acted ethically and morally.

Marilyn


Joined: 29/08/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 18:55

re msg 21

Yes, Pollymarples, I have heard that purchasers are still being asked to register a contract of sale, even though the Title Deeds have other charges or memoranda already registered. In this case, the so called Order of Precedence comes into effect, the meaning of which is self evident. One way to avoid this is to ask your lawyer to do a Land Search before a purchaser makes any financial commitment to the deal. All these charges and memoranda etc should show up on a Land Search.

But yes, we all agree that the practice of asking people to register a contract of sale when there are already charges on the property is grossly unprofessional, the more so if the implications of this are not made clear at the time to the unsuspecting victim.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 20:05

Marily,

"One way to avoid this is to ask your lawyer to do a Land Search before a purchaser makes any financial commitment to the deal. All these charges and memoranda etc should show up on a Land Search"



Most advocates DID land searches prior to commitment to purchase. They were clear of any encumbrances. The registered contract then stated that the builder will keep it clear of all mortgages, encumbrances etc. However during the long wait for PTP, people began to find out that since the initial search, the builder has ran into debt and now there are several memorandums.



As far as I know registering your contract prevents mortgages from being taken out, but memorandums take precedence over the registered contract. Nothing you can do to safeguard yourself. You are at the mercy of the developer.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 20:41

Marilyn, where have you been? bradus is telling you like it is, not like it should be. How do you think so many of us found out about the mortgages - when registering our Contracts, and in my case I still had not received my PTP early 2008, even though I applied for it in Sept. 2005. It was that period waiting for PTP gave the builders/landowners/banks a free hand, to help themselves to our homes. In a civilised country where such an act would be a crime - fraud, it would never have happened.



I think you find Marilyn, that most Advocate now ensure the kocan is free of all encumberances before registering the Contract and parting with the clients money. That however does not protect purchasers down the line whilst still waiting for their PTP from creditors of the builder.



In theory after Estate Agents Law allowed us to register our contracts, new purchasers were safe, what a crock, look at all the memorandums that have gone in alongside registered Contract

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 20:44

Elko - Can we have a defintive answer please. Where a Contract is registered, then a court memorandum is placed on the same kocan, who is the first creditor? Is iit strictly in date order.

Marilyn


Joined: 29/08/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 20:57

Hi Bradus

Yes, I too am fairly sure that if one or more purchasers have registered a contract of sale on a site, then a mortgage charge can only be placed on the development with their approval.

However, a Memorandum is different in that it is applied by the Court against the assets of a Debtor. Bank accounts and land are the main targets. As bank accounts can be cleared out overnight, then land inevitably ends up as the subject of a Memorandum.

What can happen next is rather vague to me. My opinion is that the Creditor can seek to force a sale of the land but that the purchasers with registered contracts, taken out prior to the Memorandum, have a degree of protection. But this is only a vague opinion. Lawyers dont seem to have a definite answer either.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 21:19

That is why I am asking Elko the question Marlilyn. I was told that it is strictly in date order, the Contract being first would be the first charge and the purchaser would receive the amount on the Contract, the first memorandum (if there were more than one) would be second and so on, in any forced sale. Although with the market in the sick state it is, I doubt if a property would even realise enough to fully satisfy the Contract price. However, my understanding was that any creditor holding a memorandum can force the sale and the poor purchaser has no say in it and the maximum they will get will be the Contract price,(if they are lucky) regardless of how much they have spent since purchase and how traumatic loosing their home will be.



It certainly is the logical way, otherwise it is a nonsense. What am I saying, the whole thing is a bloody nonsense.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 21:22

welcome to trnc , you can check out any time you like , but you can never leave ,lmao

Molly


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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 21:24

Marilyn

What is the point of this thread. You are not a new purchaser and the answer is NO, NO, NO.



A registered contract gives no protection whatsoever against a Memorandum. You may get your title deed if you pay ALL the taxes because a) the vendor is broke, b) the economy is dire, c) foreigners are cash cows and d) you bought the property cheap anyway (albeit from someone without integrity, morals or ethics).



Having said that, I cling to the belief that there will be changes, yavas, yavas

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 21:44

Hi Marilyn,

Degree of protection?



They have paid in full for their property. Often they are the last to know of the existence of a memorandum/memorandums so end up way down the list of creditors. Most find out because they do their own research and then check for themselves. Nobody notifies them so they can act straight away. Then at the end of the day even if awarded monetary compensation there is no guarantee that the buyer will actually get it.



I would strongly argue that the buyer has absolutely no protection whatsoever based on the cases I have followed.

Amazingly the builder who takes all the stage payments but does not use them to pay his tradesmen or the local builders merchant (very interesting reading to see where the debts are owed) appears to be the only one fully protected.



Unethical, morally unacceptable and even worse will remain Government sponsored corruption, until new laws are introduced.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 21:58

bradus - faultless reply.



I have had a Court Memorandum on three villas and a plot of land for two years and 23 days having won my Breach of Contract. My villa on which the Contract was breached is now the weekend retreat for Akfinans Bank family the Kaders so now I have a big fat nothing, zero, zilch., no compenstation, no villa. Justice TRNC STYLE. I am just one of hundreds, if not thousands.



It is not safe to buy property in North Cyprus or South Cyprus.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 23:37

says you msg40, what about the people who have happily bought , north or south ? why do'nt people just put the money on the table , and take it from they're, most people are happy with what they got , remember , a fool and his money are soon parted , do some homework and you will be ok , no point coming on hear saying you got robbed , there is none so blind than he who cannot see .

Bradus


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Message Posted:
30/11/2011 00:51

Rowlo,

Has everyone on your site got their deeds and has it been parcelised?

No amount of doing homework will protect you. The laws are simply not robust enough. To tell potential buyers it is safe as long as you do your homework is misleading and shows a lack of knowledge regarding purchasing in Cyprus.

You know it's a gamble..............you have said so on previous threads. Having to wait to find out if you get your deeds or not can hardly suggest its a safe procedure?

Yes people have happily bought but its down to luck not research.

Wish I had a pound for all those that came on here shouting how safe it was and how they were home and dry just because they had got the keys, only later to discover they are never going to get their deeds or worse still they have a memorandum on their "safe" property.



I know you like to promote a rosy picture of the TRNC and it is a lovely island that should be recommended but lets stick to the truth about the many scams please.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
30/11/2011 01:12

bradus , never gamble more than you can afford to loose , if i lost tomorrow i would walk away , but i , unlike others , never gambled my lot , every one knew the risks , some gambled the lot and lost, thats not gambling , thats daft , always put a penny away for a rainy day , because rainy days are plentiful, no one can scam any one , unless they let them , people coming on here blaming this/that , if they done some homework , life would be different for them , any way ,suit of armour and tin hat on , ready for the flak

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 07:00

rowlo, you dont need a tin hat, you are obviously so thick skinned nothing will penetrate, and where would you find one to fit. Someone who has all the answers has such a massive amount of 'grey matter' they do not make hats that big..



The sad thing is, we all did our homework, the difference between those scammed and those who were not is just plain 'dumb ass luck'. Both the scammed and the unscammed followed the same advice and the same legal route, often using the same advocates. There are a few exceptions, but not many.



Let the rowlo's of the world continue to hand out their anecdotes, never gamble more than you can afford to lose, no one can scam you unless you let them, sure rowlo, you have all the answers, one has to wonder, did you write all the questions too?



So whilst all those who were so clever, pat themselves on the back and preen themselves, I have one question. Have you had your property vlaued lately, contrary to what you think, you are affected? con

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
30/11/2011 07:18

The really sad thing is that now the Politicians, Judges and Scammers are all trotting out the rowloisms.



You didn't do your homework A Judge



Buying property in NOrth Cyprus is like putting your money on the Stock Market a gamble A Judge



You bought your property cheaply GC's - An Advocate A Minister.



Shame on them all for not changing something they know to be flawed.



At least the Judge did not qualify his remark, he obviously believes everyone who buys in NC is gambling. Says a lot about the whole legal profession.



Shame on the Politicians who will not lift a finger to help





Do not buy in Cyprus NORTH OR SOUTH.

Marilyn


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Posts: 52

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 10:26

Dear Pollymarples

I didn't realize that you have been personally affected by this problem. For me, the intricacies and unpredictability of many aspects of TRNC legal cases and their outcomes are problems I think about but which, thank goodness, I have not experienced at first hand.

I hope you don't think that my questions and comments were insensitive.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 16:51

Marilyn, I am Pauline Read of Kulaksiz 5, the one whose villas was taken criminally without an eviction notice.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 18:10

Rowlo,

have you got your deeds and has your site been parcelised? You never seem to give a straight answer.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
30/11/2011 18:51

No offence taken Marilyn, as a victim admin and committee member of Stop the Blackmail in NOrth Cyprus facebook group, I am fast learning just how antiquated the laws here are and how reluctant those benifitting from this are to see any changes. Shot term gain and long term pain for the TRNC.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
30/11/2011 21:26

The Answer to the original post by Marilyn is as follows:-



NO NO NO IT IS NOT SAFE TO BUY ANYTHING ANYWHERE IN CYPRUS!



Unless you are completly STUPID



Can I make is any clearer for anyone?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
30/11/2011 21:32

bradus msg48 , the answer is no to both questions, but , i've got a place , as have hundreds of expats , imho , better to part with the cash and have a place , with or without deeds , than to part with the cash and have a life full of misery and a big fat zero , at the minute its worthless to you , but not to me , i can go whenever i want and actually live in it .

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 22:27

So basically Rowlo,



You have paid in full for a property you do not legally own? You are at risk of memorandums should your developer run into any form of debt or just want more money. Why have you not got your deeds after all this time? You've got a place alright but its not yours! What a good example of just how safe it is to buy and how some that have purchased have no concept of just how vulnerable they are to property scams. At your own admission you are a sitting duck.



Yet your giving advice to others as to how safe it is!!!! You haven't twigged on yet that you fulfill your above description. You have parted with your cash and got a big fat zero. Yes its worthless to me. I like to know I can live in my home and not just until the builder decides he has other ideas.



What an advert for safe buying................

rowlo



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Message Posted:
30/11/2011 22:42

well it took you long enough to answer , but thats my point , sitting duck i might be , but at least im sitting in the home that cost not much more than a caravan ? btw, deeds will be issued on completion of site , but thats another story , and hey , i'm happy with my lot , and enjoy it as often as i can , i parted with my cash , but far from having a big fat zero , i got a nice holiday home , btw , i dont give advice , a question was asked , i gave my opinion , the people that are moaning / complaining about trnc , are the ones who wore the rose coloured glasses ,

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 23:13

Happy with your lot, I can accept. Even having no regrets should you lose your home. However I draw the line at you telling people its safe to buy and all you need to do is your homework. What you are saying and what you have done is certainly not based on homework. Hope yes. Fingers crossed, certainly.



If you had actually done homework you would not have left yourself so wide open. I have long asked that people who have not got their deeds, do not praise or recommend their developer or suggest its safe to buy. Go ahead once your home and dry, buyers need information on the honest, trustworthy developers.



If you look at past posts you will see why at this stage, you should not take the stance you have. Your statements are based only on dreams and wishful thinking at this stage.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
30/11/2011 23:27

bradus , my statements are based on facts , the facts i resourced , lets be honest here , if you have to come on an open forum asking the question msg1 did , i was watching a youtube video , then you deserve all you get or loose , many people are happy in trnc , its only the losers , that have got bitter and twisted , said people now hate trnc , me , i love it .

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 23:42

Bradus,



rowlo bought a property worth peanuts (worth less peanuts now) but he really couldn't careless!! he cares less about the victims who didn't pay peanuts! but he wants to continue to enjoy his caravan in cloud cuckoo land! in my opinion let him continue to hate the losers which I know is not you, however it is me and my ilk who are bitter and twisted and now hate the TRNC!!!!



May someone give me strength! to cope with the likes of rowlo!

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 23:45

It's nothing to do with loving the TRNC. Your mindset will not allow you to look at this objectively. You love the TRNC so much you can see no wrong and prefer, as is evident in your posts, to blame property victims rather than the system.Yet your own predicament is the same as theirs. They too had their keys and lived in their home, some for 5 years before problems emerged.



Just don't keep saying you have been successful and done your homework and inferring that others have not. We now all know this not to be the case.



By the way, you haven't bought a property you are merely the tenant until you get your deeds.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
30/11/2011 23:50

Bradus (mess 57)



I really don't mean to be rude, but talking to rowlo is like talking to someone without a brain

rowlo



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Message Posted:
30/11/2011 23:57

never hide your peanuts in the same shell , msg56 i do not hate any one , what i do hate ,is people coming on here looking for sympathy for the mistakes they made , why did you not buy in the south then ? or spain , france ,i know , and so do you , you took the gamble , and lost , no one to blame apart from the person you see in the mirror every morning , mean while my caravan will always be waiting for me , cuckoo land or not .

Bradus


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Message Posted:
01/12/2011 00:01

Lets just hope know one copies his homework.



Deluded?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
01/12/2011 00:02

msg58, i so bet you wish you were in cuckoo land , to part with that kind of cash tells me you have an IQ barely above room temperature . ps remember rule 3.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
01/12/2011 00:07

Bradus (mess 60)



Definately :-(

Turtle


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Message Posted:
01/12/2011 00:24

Easy easy,.. It is sad and I bet very annoying when your purchase goes up the creek and yes lots of people have lost large amounts of money and I have simpathy but its hardly rowlo's fault is it?



There are a lot of people who have had little or no problems with their purchase and are enjoying what they bought so let them enjoy it.



We know the system is very poor and does not support the ex pat buyers but fighting amongst ourselves does not solve these problems having a slanging match on here will only cause bad feeling between members.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
01/12/2011 00:50

Hopefully people do not see this as a slanging match. Perhaps a heated discussion?



Of course it is not Rowlo's fault but it does not help when he blames victims rather than the system and yet he is just as vulnerable as the very people he ridicules and uses the oh so familiar mantra "should have done your homework"



The law should protect buyers. In any society there will always be the vulnerable that are easy targets for exploitation but robust laws stop this from happening. In the cases where it does occur, then the law can deal appropriately with the offenders. What can we say about the TRNC, other than there are massive loopholes and the Government have failed to address these issues despite the problem being very evident for several years?

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
01/12/2011 01:01

Rowlo

The point you miss when excusing all the corruption in TRNC by blaming the victims ,is that stealing is a crime as is fraud .Being naive is not, and even naive people should have some recourse to the law ,and rather than supporting the trnc you are doing it a disservice by asserting that the disgusting state of affairs should somehow be accepted by people new to the place , doing business, as being normal behaviour. I dont have a problem with you saying that things also go wrong in other countries ,its just that you dont acknowledge that in other countries , unlike in the trnc those wrongdoings are considered illegal,and not as you seem to imply with NC ,just normal business practise, to be expected.



Your excusing of these corrupt practises by laying the blame on honest people , is the same as saying the person who stole my car is not a car thief because I left my door unlocked, or the man that robbed my house is not a burglar because my back window wasnt locked.

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
01/12/2011 02:04

What are you all arguing about?

TRNC is not a recognised country so how can any transaction be safe - long term!?

This is not a criticism of TRNC - rather a criticism of the powers who allow the unfair situation to continue in their treatment of this state.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
01/12/2011 08:11

bradus, TRNC victim, and me too, rowlo is trying to wind us up, however having carefully read his posts it is abundantly obvious which camp he sits in. Either that or he was born without the compassion gene.



I have an idiot on NCFP threatening me with legal action because I called his bluff and said who he really was.



Libel The publication of a statement in some permanent form which has the potential to damage someone's reptuation (do not laugh) and which is claimed to be false. Any false potentially damaging statement.

Damage, I think I helped his street cred.



Polly pocket, please accept my apologies, he is calling me you on NCFP.



Clearly Robb has no compassion or regret for taking the money from Aga Victims. So NO do not buy in NOrth Cyprus, in doing so, you may accidentally rais the value of rowlos caravan, and we wouldn't want that.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
01/12/2011 09:35

htto://northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/11/30/north-cyprus-property-victims-baris-apartment-court-case-results/



More reason NOT TO BUY in North Cyprus, the law will not protect you even if you do everything to the letter of the law. These victims are Turkish Cypriot and Turkish, one even a former senior Army Officer who loved his time here and decided to retire here, he is 65 years old. The Turkish Cypriot widow is 67 years old. No one is safe.



DO N OT BUY IN CYPRUS UNTIL THEY GET THEIR ACT CLEANED UP.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
01/12/2011 09:37

http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/11/30/north-cyprus-property-victims-baris-apartment-court-case-results/

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 07:05

Shock , horror Marilyn are you really Hardy/ Many people have been stopping me and telling me you are a man.



Is this true? Can this be true ,do people really hide behind false identities on here?



Even I give my true identity on my profile. Oh dear I must go and lie down with a cold flannel over my eyes.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 07:43

Most of you by now will realise the above is a joke, I put pollymarples on my profile although I have never made a secret of the fact that polly is really Pauline Read





To keep on topic again I say DO NOT BUY IN CYPRUS, north or south UNTIL THEY CLEAN UP THEIR ACTS.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 20:53

do'nt you really think for a minute , no one dragged you screaming and kicking to trnc , it was you who chose , why i ask ? you know why ? and as for winding you up , that is the furthest thing from my mind , you are doing a top job on you're own , i really feel sorry for you , but, you aint gonna find the answers you crave on a BB , are you , some people have bought and enjoy , why not let them .

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 21:17

Rowlo,



The thread is "IS IT SAFE TO BUY IN NORTH CYPRUS? The answer is NO!



Even those that have managed parcellisation of their site, and have their Kochans, that bought exchange



property will not know their fate until a settlement is AGREED on the property aspect of The Cyprus Problem.



We were poorly advised by ourTRNC Estate Agents, usually acting in tandem with recomended advocates,



and we have been hoodwinked by The TRNC government, ever since (dependant how the mood takes them)



The TRNC legal system is sadly lacking in enforcing property contractrul committments .It is corrupt!



Pollymarples and her "friends" acted in good faith, and could not have anticipated in their wildest dreams what



awaited the normal property buyers. It is an international disgrace!



You have a good festive season, because there are many property buyers in the TRNC, who will not.



wynyardman

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 21:40

well wyn , you have answered all the questions they asked , but have you questioned all the answers , merry christmas to you also , we all acted in good faith when we started buying in trnc , the outcome was as plain on the nose on your face , some things are to good to be true , and most of the time they are , no point coming on here putting of potential buyers , who just might take a more detailed look at it , and be wary of the mistakes these people made , my answer is it safe to buy in north cyprus ,YES , why not ?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 22:00

Rowlo.



No No I have not answered all the questions that they asked. That was not my intention.



I did not mention memorandums, I did not mention that we were told if we paid our stamp duty and



registered our properties, that we would be protected, when we were subsequently told we were not.



I did not mention Bank Mortgages that were not declared at extortionate rates of interest.



I did not mention duty rates that could be changed overnight, without referral.



I did not mention that we were told that it was exchange land. that in effect it was stolen land.



We came from countries where the rule of law protects the innocent. Where we could rely on our lawyers,



where if lawyers get it wrong their clients were covered by Professional Indemnity Insurance.



Pollymarples and friends were not naive. They were hoodwinked by a bunch of corrupt professionals acting



in concert, with the intention to deceive. I include in that statement. The TRNC Government,

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 22:02

cont.



Estate Agents, Advocates and Rogue builders. It is still not safe to BUY in The TRNC especially exchande land!



wynyardman

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 22:10

Why not?

because they may end up like you! Paying in full for a property that you don't own. Not knowing if your builder will run into financial problems and use your property to pay off his debts. Having no guarantee that he will give you your deeds. Still not knowing if you will be blackmailed to pay his taxes or asked for more money for the privilege of getting your deeds.



Finally having to accept that if the above comes to fruition you will have no recourse under the laws of the TRNC.

You keep dreaming Rowlo, go ahead convince yourself its safe but other people like to deal in realities. Sorry to burst your bubble but sometimes the truth is hard to digest.



The truth is that you have paid thousands of pounds for a set of keys and the builders permission to occupy what is still HIS property. Until you get your deeds you own nothing and how long have you been waiting for your deeds now? Considering the above, do you still recommend the TRNC for a safe property purchase?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 22:17

If you do Rowlo I question your objectivity. You used to say to potential buyers, " do not buy what you cannot afford to lose" This was good advice and made people aware that it was a gamble and that they were risking their money.



Why suddenly change to its safe which even most potential buyers know is an untruth?

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 22:36

well bradus, i looked at it in a different way from you , 70k in bank , earning , 0, buy my place in trnc , still earning 0 , holiday in trnc whenever i want , but my 70k , will go on and on , same as my dreams , and if push comes to shove , i've only lost the price of 10 years holidays , no brainer really , but if shove comes to push , my son will be minted , as i said before , i never put my lot into trnc , only my spare cash , and i really did do my homework , as did many people on here , do not judge people , when you are always guessing ? just a thought , but why do you people in various guises , slaughter the place ? if you are not happy move on .

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 22:54

rowlo



I will not "move on" I will continue to make every potential victim know every stupid reason why they should NOT put their money into a caravan in the TRNC! as you have done!!!! and I will continue to slaughter the place until someone in the Government understands that not all future victims will be as stupid as you 40k 50k 70k 80k 90k 100k every amount matters to the victim who invests in a corrupt society!



You "move on" rowlo and forget threads like this! just worry about your next pint? or your next football match! or your next holiday in your caravan in TRNC by the Sea

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 23:40

you gotta get out more mate , always remember , you are the victim of you're own devise, no one can point you in the right direction , so why do you try to point others ? i hope they walk a wiser path than you did , my caravan will always be waiting for you , not every one is a victim , how much did you spend again ?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
02/12/2011 23:47

The amount really don't matter mate! I hope your caravan has deeds without you own NOTHING

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
03/12/2011 00:07

we came into this world with nothing mate , we will go out owning nothing , you aint gonna win here loser ? have a happy xmas , deeds , just means someone can tax you more , who needs deeds ? as i look at my ocean view i think to my self , what a wonderful life , pass me another efes , throw some more steaks on the barbie ,

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
03/12/2011 00:27

Well rowlo



I'm off to Australia mate! so my family's barbie will be well glowing with ocean views! the difference between you & I is that I don't need another efes! and the wonderful life in the TRNC you are enjoying without deeds for your caravan I hope you will continue enjoy along with your efes!!!!



However I will continue to let any future victims know exactly what the TRNC can offer them

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
03/12/2011 00:54

fair enough ,

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2011 08:07

Nice reading all the new posts, but I still dont know 'who is Marilyn'. I dont know who or what rowlo is, and I guess I really dont want to. £70,000 may be nothing to him, but to some it is a lot, all things are relative and a lot depends on how and how hard you worked to get that £70,000. I have no problem with his attitude, we are all entitled to think as we please, what I do have a problem with is his assumption that treating people like dirt is okay and frankly we are all so stupid, we deserve it.



He tells TRNC victim to get out more. I think what he really means is you lot stop making a noise and then maybe my caravan will be okay and might even increase in value.



We are not shutting up any time soon. IT IS NOT SAFE TO BUY IN TRNC, if you are a lucky person who has not been affected (yet) by the scams, then sorry but we are going to affect the value of your property, but that's okay isn't it, because you can all afford to lose them.