How to become a Certified Master Life Coach and Tarot reader

AndyR



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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 12:23

If anyone would like to become a Certified Master Life Coach by the American University of NLP, it's available here .....

http://aunlp.org/certification.htm

First you become an NLP practitioner, it takes 3 weeks and cost $675, then you become an master practitioner, this takes a further 2-3 weeks and costs $775.

5 weeks and $1450 later you've become a Certified Master Life Coach by the American University of NLP.

To become a Tarot reader, visit your local Waterstones or visit Amazon online, both of which can sell you a range of books. Prices from around £9.99

So if you fancy a career change and have around $1500 and 5 weeks to spare, you to could become a Certified Master Life Coach and Tarot reader.

Now, where's my credit card .....

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 12:59

Back to the top.

I'm sure no-one would want to miss out on this marvellous opportunity.

Remember, with absolutely no professional qualifications or experience in Psychology, therapy or social work you too can become a Master Life Coach and give 'advice' to people who have serious personal situations that they need real help with.

Not only that, you can charge 100tl for a 1 hour session!

walkerscott


Joined: 13/08/2009
Posts: 901

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 13:16

I'm sure many would not want to miss out on this marvellous opportunity to help others nor of becoming an IT or Website Developer. .

Remember, with absolutely no professional qualifications or experience in IT, Website building and Website Optimisation, you too can become an IT Consultant/Employee giving 'advice' to people who have serious website problems that need sorting. Not only that, you can charge £100- for a 1 hours work well, sometimes more! And you too could have at least 2 million visitors a year!

IT/Website Building for Dummies is all you need! Probably get it all for under £60-

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=it+for+dummies&tag=googhydr-21&index=stripbooks&hvadid=17221252310&ref=pd_sl_5piuf83vdc_e

Now where's my credit card!?

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 13:21

Very well pointed out walkerscott.

As with every profession there are those who seek to bypass the normal method of gaining professional qualifications and experience and thus being able to really help in the way that they claim.

Whether it be in IT, therapy, construction, legal services or any other field some people will always do more harm than good by pretending to be something that they are not.

I hope that we all have the sense to check out the qualifications and experience of those who claim to have some form of expertise which we may need to heavily rely on.

AndyR



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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 13:50

walkerscott, perhaps I should give an example to illustrate the point that I'm making .....

I sell my own services as an IT Consultant, specialising in data security. I hold a degree in Informatics (5 years), an MCSE (2 years 'on the job') and a CCNA (18 months 'on the job') as well as being a member of several industry recognised bodies. I have over 25 years experience directly working in my chosen field.

When approached by potential clients, the first thing I do is provide them with documentary proof of the above so that they can take up references and run the necessary checks to ensure that my skill set and level is appropriate to the job they need done.

Thanks for pointing out the 2 million website visitors by the way, I'm particularly proud of that, so have posted a screenshot from Google Analytics for everyone to see .....

http://www.mwis.org.uk/stats.jpg

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 14:06

Everything is about people AndyR...

I couldn't care less how many certificates an individual has or how long they have spent at University "studying" whatever, that's their choice and it does not influence me when employing staff or contracting out. "People skills" influence me more!

Your style and approach would not attract me to you or your business.

A simple "I hope that we all have the sense to check out the qualifications and experience of those who claim to have some form of expertise which we may need to heavily rely on." would have sufficed!

Otherwise good luck in your business ...

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 14:11

walkerscott, that's a fair and good point.

However, don't you agree that there is something 'dubious' about anyone who buys a qualification over the Internet based on 5 weeks 'study' and then uses it to claim professional expertise?

Susanna


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 85

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 22:14

AndyR, ru friends with rowlo? Just wait and see. You are very sure of yourself and that those 2 million people visiting your particular website were soooo impressed with it. Just by posting right here on the forum, I got 400 people visiting my website. And do you have referrals? How is your customer referral? Can you with a clear conscious say that everyone of your clients referred you to another?

Everyone of us has started from somewhere, and got somewhere, and with some, more or less gifts to share with the world. Be grateful for what you have.

Susanna


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Posts: 85

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 22:17

by the way, if you seriously looked into life coaching, IT IS not a therapy or counselling service. Thus, no medical license required to practice. And it is not about giving advice!

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
29/11/2011 23:31

Susanna .....

No, I don't know Rowlo.

I'm completely comfortable with my referral rate but am curious as to why you mention it. If any business gets referrals, good and well, I don't have a problem with that, nor did I say that I did.

My issue is solely with people who buy so-called qualifications and then use them to justify their claims to be 'expert'. The example I gave is not a University, it's a private business. It does not give out degrees, it gives out receipts for the money it receives

As for life coaching, if a life coach, as you say, has no medical licence, does not provide therapy, does not provide counselling and does not give advice, what exactly does a life coach do?

As for your final point, if someone has a 'gift' to share with the world, why attempt to justify it with that same bought course from America? I understood sharing to mean exactly that, 'Here, share this with me', as opposed to 'give me some money and I'll let you have some'.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
29/11/2011 23:46

leave me out of this , remember rule 3 ? and always remember , god is watching and certifying you so called life coaches

turkan


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Posts: 954

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 09:37

Took the words right out of my mouth susanna, life coaching certainly is not about advising people on how to live their lives, you cant quick fix a profession, or a person, it takes discipline in yourself not to hint to your client what to do but to support them thinking up the answers themselves! This times time and effort in schooling, that needs partner work. Not something you undertake inline sitting at home alone.



It is these people that get the vulnerable more in a mess. Sure you make your money!



Humanity should come first before trying to fill your pocket. The vulnerable are not to be munipulated for self gain.

So many cowboys in all fields of care work, its disheartening and causes a bigger problem for those that do know what their doing.

Susanna


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 85

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 11:06

sorry rowlo, just that you and AndyR just seemed like brothers, or you have a similar life story...



The definition for life coaching is very clearly described on my webpage, but if you like it again here:

Whoever needs guidance in their lives, they may not be aware that they posses the answers already. With gentle but dedicated questioning, life coach brings this person to understand their own answers. Life coach does not advice what to do, nor does she/he dig in the past to see what went wrong (this is therapy). Life coach focuses on the current situation and helps the person understand their next action in order to change their life for the better. There is no fixed program to generalize for everyone, it is all about the individual and her/his specific needs. Where the psychicness may help, it is for the benefit for the life coach - she/he can better help and ask the person right questions in more sensitive way.

Susanna


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 85

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 11:07

If the person needs therapy and/or serious psychological help, life coach ALWAYS refers this client to a professional in the area.

Any more questions? I am happy to help

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 11:56

Susanna,



I appreciate your clarifying what the function of a life coach is, but, would still be very interested to know why anyone would use a bought 'qualification' and use it to signify professional expertise. As you've mentioned your own website, let me use it as an example and quote the very first line from your 'about me' page .....

Susan Annika Erkan is Certified Master Life Coach by the American University of NLP

Whether you mean it to or not, this gives the impression that you hold a University degree or qualification, which (please correct me if I am wrong) you do not. It is this (and nothing else about your business or beliefs) that I have a real problem with.

Susanna


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 85

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 19:47

Well, I DO hold a qualification from this university, thus I dont understand what the problem is here? And I have a diploma to show you if you like to see.

Regarding for the expense of the education we all have paid for our education, right?

Where do you get any education for free?? If you know a place in the world where you get university level education for free, PLEASE let me know, 'cause I would be the first to sign up!!!

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 19:58

Re: Msg 13,



What is 'psychicness' please?

Is it possible to buy it on internet?

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 20:00

2 points .....

You get a free University education in Scotland, if you're Scottish, but I suspect that that's another thread all to itself!

You DO NOT by any recognised standard have a University qualification. Anyone can pay the company you call a University some $1400 and get a 'diploma' in 5 weeks. Nowhere on the face of the planet can you expect to be taken seriously if you try to call that a University qualification. There's no minimum standard for entrance (apart from your ability to pay), it can be completed in 5 weeks and it is NOT recognised by any other educational establishment anywhere in the world!

In fact, I would defy you to find a real University anywhere that offers a degree in NLP!

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
30/11/2011 22:28

msg13 ,susanna , the only thing andyr and i have in common is our homeland .

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 09:56

I need some help, I'm really struggling .....

Should I have a traditional turkey or a lovely roast for dinner on Christmas day?

I know, I'll ignore the advice of my mate the Chef and that of my excellent local Butcher. I'll ask a life-coach! I'm sure that if I pay the appropriate fee a life-coach can ask me sensitive questions and use the psychicness to help me reach a decision that will improve my life. If I'm really lucky they'll have bought a book from a 'university' and be able to use big words to make me feel even better!

Now why didn't I think of that before.

louthlass


Joined: 09/11/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 10:50

As far as I'm concerned my dear Mother was my life coach, and still is although she is no longer with me.

walkerscott


Joined: 13/08/2009
Posts: 901

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 18:46

AndyR

It would appear that you have a problem ...

I think you need Counselling & Psychotherapy ...

It's time to stop the witch hunt my friend! Just Let it go ...

Use your energy in a more positive way and be creative to help others ...

Have a lovely Christmas and a good, healthy, prosperous and creative 2012!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 19:02

@ msg 22, walkerscott: Sorry, I don't think AndyR has a problem. To me he seems to be a very (mentally) healthy person, who doesn't believe in costly fairy tales and is brave enough to subtly warn other people.

"Certified Master Life Coach" - what rubbish.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 19:06

For once I agree with Msg 23

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
23/12/2011 19:20

Hans

"is brave enough to subtly warn other people" ...

we will have to agree to disagree on this, as he, in my humble opinion, has not been subtle at all.

Choice of words and how one expresses oneself is important to get a message across ...

The message could have been a subtle one but it was not!

I could get on my high horse about lots of things on this forum but that would turn it into a forum for venting personal frustrations, nothing else and that is not what a forum is about.

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 19:28

As DC says .....

"Certified Master Life Coach" - what rubbish.

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
23/12/2011 19:33

AndyR

I repeat my message 22 to you .. and I know what I am talking about

So, I'll leave it at that now and hope you take it on board.

God Bless.

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 19:54

Walkerscott .....

You suggest that I need "Counselling & Psychotherapy". Thanks for your concern but I can assure ypu that I do not.

If I did, I'd see a qualified doctor. If I need legal advice I'll see a qualified lawyer. If my car breaks down I'll see a qualified mechanic. See a pattern developing here?

I'd respectfully suggest that anyone who pays a few hundred dollars for a 'qualification' and then sells their services as a professional on the strength of that quaification is much more in need of Counselling & Psychotherapy than I.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
24/12/2011 00:29

AndyR; Do you seriously think that all of those who spend many years and many thousands of pounds in private Colleges and Universities here & end up as "professionally qualified" (usually not worth the paper they are written on), know their stuff more because of the money spent?



I would not worry about the harmless life coaching or tarot card reading! Many provide such services, without having to spend any time or money at all! Maybe, some people have natural skills to help others get on the right track - good for them. Remember, it is a case of supply and demand; there must be good demand for it, to encourage such an activity.



I suggest you Google "life coach cyprus" and see how many exist even on this tiny island! The fact that you and I do not believe in such help, has no bearing on the demand that clearly exists.



We had famous fortune tellers and psychics in Cyprus, who did not even finish high school

Any kind of qualification to support what one preaches must be wel

turkan


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Message Posted:
24/12/2011 12:58

in support of life coaches, psycologists, therapists, this is to all that have written here, if you had the misfortune of getting yourself emotionally in a mess and didnt have the right people around you to listen, you would soon be running to them! So respect where respect is due, their profession has a purpose, may you never need them! Also you may have people around you to listen, but they may not have the right words or direction to lead you in.They may even get frustrated with you and make matters worse for you!

Anyone of these professions should first of all have a qualification in life experiences, if your advising me, i want to hear how it was for you, if your helping me find the answers, i want to know you were lost too once, its two way traffic, you will be learning from my mess, i want to learn from yours. money paid for your time is fine, but the rest needs to be a sharing.

i would also like to know the professional also used the services to develope

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/12/2011 13:00

Tarot card reading - worthless! Far better to buy my certified "healing stones"..!

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
24/12/2011 13:40

Hans, save me some of your healing stones please!

A Tarot card reading can put everything into perspective in a clear and understandable way. I like to call my Tarot Cards my "psychological cards", not "fortune telling cards", because I believe they help many think about how to enjoy the "evermoment" of the here & now ...

Whether or not you believe in spiritual or esoteric things, a Tarot card reading can help you better understand your own thoughts. Even the question that you ask in your mind can help you understand something about yourself, and in this way a Tarot card reading can truly help you.

Tarot cards are more ancient than religion. Tarot cards are older than most languages and most writing, and yet they are still around and are still being used today the exact same way they were used thousands of years ago. If Tarot cards didn't help people, why would they still be used and still be so popular?

People need a listening ear!

Your Card today Hans is the Turning In c

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/12/2011 13:47

@ msg 32, walkerscott: John, with all due respect, but I believe in ratio and science. My guide in daily life is Nietzsche. I try to stay away from superstition as far away as possible.

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
24/12/2011 13:59

Hans

I have no time for superstition or religions! I accept what is and create my own moments.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Science has been proved wrong in many things and will continue to evolve as time progresses Hans.

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
24/12/2011 14:05

I am well aware that Everything is about personal perspective!

I like reading Nietzsche and his quotes.

All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.

Friedrich Nietzsche



All truly great thoughts are conceived by walking.

Friedrich Nietzsche

Enjoy ...

johnerebus



Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 16:55

Hi All, I qualified many years ago after 18 months training with The Coaching Academy and still continue my professional development. Since qualifying I have worked with senior execs and managers in the public and private sectors, many small businesses and individuals and have dozens of testimonials in praise of coaching.

Richard Branson's companies have in-house coaches as do the majority of the Top 100 companies.

Currently I'm coaching 12 owners of small businesses and as a member and director of the Professional Development Bureau will be coaching some of the hundreds of thousands of military, police, fire-fighters and local authority employees soon to be made redundant in the UK

If there are any ex-military or police reading this you know how people in these areas identify with their professions and adjusting to Civvy St and starting a new career can be extremely daunting.

When practiced by a genuinely and well qualified coach the vast improvements of people and companies testi

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
02/01/2012 16:24

johnerebus .....

Couldn't agree with you more. From your post you appear to be fully trained and experienced as well as a member of a nationally recognised body which sets stringent standards.

This is the exact opposite of people who buy 'qualifications' and set themselves up as 'professional' then throw in a bit of psychic rubbish for effect.

A very happy and prosperous New Year to you.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
02/01/2012 20:54

load of rubbish , become a jehova mate ,

Riddles


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Message Posted:
04/01/2012 01:06

"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything." -

-- GK Chesterton

Clarissa2


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Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
04/01/2012 04:18

Re: Msg 35,

(Though I prefer it in German):

"There are two different types of people in the world, those who want to know, and those who want to believe."

Friedrich Nietzsche