turkish cypriot ministers with roc passports

canada


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Message Posted:
06/12/2011 21:23

in the cyprus mail it states that 3 t/c ministers have roc passports and that over 57000 passports were issued to t/c this year .could the t/c slowly be leaving the trnc and leaving only turkish turks behind?

philbailey


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Message Posted:
06/12/2011 21:25

Maybe just enjoying the benefits of the EU?

ttoli


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Message Posted:
06/12/2011 21:27

My understanding is that anyone born on the Island is entitled to an RoC passport and able to claim child benefit.

Erkin


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Message Posted:
06/12/2011 21:38

Na we can not claim any benefits from the RoC unless we live on their side, we can only use the hospitals, We are not able to claim for anything else,we have to live on the Gc side for min 6 months.

as for everyone born in Cyprus, not everyone is eligable, only if both parents are Tc, they did allow in 2004 just before entering the E.U, if one parent was Tc and the other mainlander, they were being granted ID and passports but at the time, it was Gc goverment way of boosting the numbers in order to get grants frpm the E.U as a new member but now only Tc that both parents are Tc.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
06/12/2011 21:41

Can T/C work there ?

if so where do they pay tax ?

elko2



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Message Posted:
06/12/2011 21:43

They pay tax in the country they work, as simple as that.

ismet

Erkin


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Message Posted:
06/12/2011 21:47

Msg 5: ofcourse we can work, as Cypriot, why not?



I live in Nicosia Greekside but work on the Tc so i pay tax to TRNC goverment but i also work part time on this side and pay tac to the Gc goverment.



There are over 6000 Tc working on greekside, that cross everyday.



I am one of the few that is able to drive a Gc car in the North with permission

philbailey


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Message Posted:
06/12/2011 22:01

Are G/Cs allowed to work and/or reside in the north then?

canada


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 07:43

G/c s are not allowed to work or reside in the north ,only the enclaved as far as i know .

Agobard


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 07:51

I'd be extremely surprised if there were only 3 government ministers with RoC passports - I would think there would be many more. Why would TCs not want to get an RoC passport? You can't travel anywhere except Turkey on a TRNC passport without a visa. Consider the cost and aggravation of this every time you want to go abroad.

Erkin


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 08:05

I can assure you that more than 3 ministers that carry RoC passports, the paper was only referring to the ministers in the current goverment not mentioning about the MPs.



Gc are allowed to reside in the TRNC but get a resident permit, This is one of the most stupid rules in the TRNC, we are trying to reunited the island but yet we impose stupid rules on the people.



over 90,000 Tc hold RoC passports others hold a British passports.

Deniz1


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 08:55

Loads of TC folk have GC passports as they were born in ROC. Whats wrong with that?

sylvie


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 09:46

I find it normal as well, they have a ROC passeport if the father was born in the south - they are TC like the others - i mean GC - minister or not doesn't make a difference !

Erkin


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 11:35

I am not objecting to Tc having RoC ID or passport, my arguemnt is based on the fact that we are allowed to go anf live in the south freely as citiziens of Cyprus but yet the very people that we are trying to make an agreement require a visa entry of 90 days to visit their homes in the north or even to reside in the North.



The people on both sides should be allowed to freely move about.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 14:06

It does seem strange msg14

blade


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 14:41

Erkin, i totally agree that people should be able to live , move and work freely.

Even if there is not a solution i would think this should be possible at some point in the future. The only problem with this i see is that the Turkish mainlanders are not able to move freely within the EU, hence it would cause a problem until a time if and when Turkey join.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 15:36

Just to add to the confusion:

http://famagusta-gazette.com/turkish-cypriots-have-cyprus-republic-birth-certificates-p13706-69.htm



Oh by the way I was born and bred in the UK but I never asked for an EU passport!

Erkin


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 16:59

msg 17 what's so confusing about it, i gave those numbers in my msh 11.



Sorry but are not my countryman, I am refering to Tc and Gc.



over 10,000 mainlanders were granted RoC ID by the Gc goverment to the first settlers from mainland in 2004.



We can not give to everyone.

MartinM


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 17:50

Why not ??

canada


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 17:54

if north can live in the south then why cant the south live in the north?

probably alot of G/CS would not live in the north because of the turkish mainlanders .

they would be afraid

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 18:33

Erkin

Message 18

I was referring to birth certificates not passports, there is a difference.

dearie


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 18:56

I have turkish cypriot relatives - and as far as I understand it they can exchange their Republic of Cyprus passport for obviously the European passport - and in fact many did so when the South joined the EU which was quite within their rights to do so. Hope this makes things a little clearer

Erkin


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 19:48

msg 21:

a birth certificate, an ID or a passport are all relating to the same thing = nationality



there are over 500,000 Tc with birth certificates but up to now only 99,000 people have taken their right to ID and passport, bare in mind that between 1950 - 1974 over 3000,000 Tc left Cyprus for the UK, Canada, Australia and Turkey.

These people all held/hold birth certificates of cyprus and are entitled to Passports but most people have opted to take up 2nd nationality, also don't forget People up to independence that left Cyprus, left using a British nationality, but are Cypriot by birth.



Even though most countries do not allow dual nationality, no country can do anything about it, as most countries will not take a persons nationality away from them.



I for example hold 4 nationalities,

By birth as I was born in R.A.F in Cyprus and their for a UK citizen

Parents nationality: Republic of Cyprus so i qualify

Tc person - TRNC

R.O.Turkey because I lived their for 10 years.

Erkin


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 19:58

Msg 19, why should every tom, dick or harry be given a nationality just because they live here.



If we allowed that to happen, You might as well move the people from Hatay to TRNC, we are being over powered by them as it is.



And how many pay taxes or so any for TRNC, every penny they earn is transfered back to Turkey.



One of the things that I oppose to in TRNC is having Turkish Banks here, it is an easy way for them to smuggle money away from TRNC

rejela


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 22:27

Message 4 Erkin.



If one of the parents is Cypriot, surely under EU law the children would automatically be entitled to ROC citizenship. Racist behaviour is unacceptable in the EU?



However, it would appear that this type of descrimination is perfectly OK in the ROC and people in this situation are denied their birth rights.



This happened to two of my children, who applied for an ID card in the ROC over two years ago. We haven't heard anything from the authorities. Initially they said it would take 3 months.



All Cypriots whether TC or GC are entitled to citizenship of the ROC under the Constitution which was drawn up when the island became independant. The fact that the ROC issues ID / passport documents has nothing to do with peoples entitlement.



Unfortunately, after playing the game toing and froing to the Government offices, we have had enough.

I wonder what the EU really has to say on some of these contencious issues which are used against us (British subject) cont

rejela


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Message Posted:
07/12/2011 22:30

continued.



A similar story with the driving licence fiasco for Brits, not being allowed to use TRNC licenses in the South, whilst TC can. Another example of Racism at its worst!

Erkin


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Message Posted:
08/12/2011 07:42

Msg 25 and 26:



You are fully entitled to obtain a RoC ID and Passport, which office have you made you application to?



Have you obtained all the documents from the parent who is RoC national along with the Granparents details would make things work faster.



if you any help email me and i will try and help, I live in the Greekside.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
08/12/2011 07:54

Erkin

forgive me forinterfereing with you comments but there is no such place in cyprus as 'greekside' or turkish side,like there is no greeks or turks in cyprus but cypriots.

Please don't take my comments above as critisisim but I feel very strongly about this issue.



As far as multiple/dual natinonalities are concerned in cyprus,it is about time the rest of the world got their acts together and ended this mess created by turkey.





ONE CYPRUS,ONE NATIONALITY..............CYPRIOTS

the debates we have on various sites,like facebook,on a mutual language are fantastic.



always said and always will...............greekism and turkishism have been our biggest problem,as a none relegion follower/beleiver.





other then that,agree with everything you say bro.

Erkin


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Message Posted:
08/12/2011 08:44

msg 28:



thanks for the reminder, I am fully aware that, we are all Cypriots,but on the hand we can not deny that we have north south divide at present, and their for we have Turkish Cypriot side and Greek Cypriot side.



Where there are borders and each must pass through controls.



Yorgozlu, I can assure you that, there isn't a person in this country that would like to a united island, then me. that's why i freez my arse off 2-3 nights aweek camping in the buffer zone.



Yes I agree that we have been labelled with this stupid Turkis/Greek Cypriot label for years and we must shake it off us, As i have argued in the past, the language we speak and the citizenship are 2 different things, but getting people to understand this, is another matter.

canada


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Message Posted:
08/12/2011 19:06

bravo

Erkin and Yorgozlu

i agree that you are cypriots not greeks or turks

if all cypriots thought like you this island would be better off