Leaving the TRNC

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 10:55

I am interested to know if you know people who are leaving , orwho have left the TRNC , and there reasons why ? cheers .

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 10:56

I don't know anyone who has left - yet. I know quite a few people 'waiting' to leave.

Rocker



Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 384

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 11:02

WE ARE WAİTİNG TO LEAVE, Just a little fed up for many reasons that I will not bore you with. Been here 4 yeARS AND TİME TO MOVE ON.

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 11:53

there wil be many wishing to leave but unfortunately they can't sell their properties, you only need to go into any of the estate agents and look at how many re-sale houses are for sale in each of them, to know that most of these people have put their properties on the market to go elsewhere, lets not kid ourselves by trying to say that people are just selling to upgrade and stay here, I know of over 25/30 people who would bite your hand off to sell their properties here, some who live here and some who bought with the intention of coming here to live and are now regretting it.

but of course once again I court controversy.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 12:16

don't start me off...



just waiting for the "we love it here brigade"...



Nick

Kitty Kat Jac


Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 12:21

NN



I do love it here, I am 27 and can not even begin to compare my life here to what it was like living in the UK.



STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE, ITS BAYRAM!!!!

windmill


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 12:25

I cannot say i know of any that want to leave North Cyprus,but i know of many who live in the UK that had plans to buy homes for holidays,but now will not,ever.

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 12:33

Do'nt know why so many folks are not happy the benifits the uk goverment give you go alot further here than back home, I manage to save all my disability payments, get double rent from the Polish lads for the council flat, and cant even think what to spend this years cold weather payment on, life's a dream on ole Devils Island.



D.N

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 13:56

been here 7yrs, if i could sell the house , you would not see me for dust not back to the uk though, and its not for the want of trying

Nemika



Joined: 05/04/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 14:40

my mum is leaving a few days before xmas for no reason other than she has run out of money here. i know many people in the same boat came here with plenty of money and now have run out.

windmill


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 14:50

Hello Goonerstan,

What are your reasons ,and where would you move too

scampy



Joined: 15/01/2008
Posts: 982

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 14:57

I am leaving to move to Australia and I have finally sold my Apt yesterday so I'm off Yipeeeeeeeeee

Susie x

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 15:04

hope you still log in Susie let us know how you are getting on . Good luck

brandy sour


Joined: 09/04/2008
Posts: 310

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 15:23

Well done in selling your apartment Scampy i know you have been trying for months to sell good luck in Australia.

scampy



Joined: 15/01/2008
Posts: 982

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 15:33

Hi

Thanks chaps and I will keep in touch don't worry



Susie x

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 15:37

Good on yer cobber....

yorkie58


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 15:38

Great news Susie, Hope your new life down under is a good one. Curious, did you sell privately or use an Estate agent?



Regards

Yorkie x

scampy



Joined: 15/01/2008
Posts: 982

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 15:39

privately the agents don't do a thing here

Susie x

lovingthesun


Joined: 13/11/2008
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 15:42

Well if that was the case Scampy, how come agents gets such a bad rap about doing anything to get a sale?? You cant have it both ways!

scampy



Joined: 15/01/2008
Posts: 982

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 15:44

Hiya

Well mine is with 3 agents



I sent a customer the first day No more since

The second has sent 1 customer

And the 3rd none

Both my offers have been through friends not agents



says it all really



Susie x

lovingthesun


Joined: 13/11/2008
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 15:48

Susie



Fingers crossed that everything goes smoothly for you, I have not met one person that has gone to Australia and not fallen in love with the place.



Good luck

scampy



Joined: 15/01/2008
Posts: 982

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 15:50

Well I just want to see my Dad the ret will follow



Susie x

TimothyCadman


Joined: 13/12/2007
Posts: 1040

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 16:14

We arrived with the house paid for and a pot of money to live off the interest. We didn't anticipate the costs rising so quickly. Everything more than doubled in 5 years, putting it on a par with the UK, but we didn't have our UK income. Even with getting jobs, 40 hours a week or more for upto 1060 YTL, our standard of living dropped from eating out 4 times a week to eating out once a month.

It didn't help having 2 kids in tow and once more UK branded food arrived, in particular the Iceland Frozen Food range, the kids were exstastic. But the cost of them is nowhere near there cost in the UK, so we lost out.

Once we started to eat into our capital fund it was a downward spiral.

We sold up and moved back to the UK, where we live much better today than we did in the TRNC.

Once the kids have grown up and we have a much larger nest egg, this time £100,000 and not £50,000 we came with to put in the bank, we will most probably return.

We do enjoy the sun and the winter is so short too!

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 16:41

hi windmill, i feel now that we expats are not wanted here, your money yes,you no. there is blatent discrimination towards us,7 yrs still waiting for house deeds, the two tier system even when you speak turkish, the corruption and full in your face lies i have dropped the asking price of my house by £65,000 still no takers, as stated as soon as (fingers crossed) i sell im out of this so called jewel in the sun, disillusioned you bet maybe go to turkey or croatia happy bayram

windmill


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 17:25

Hello goonerstan,

Lets hope things get better for you,i think you will only loose out money wise if you pocket the money,but buying another property,they are falling in price all over the world,Croatia is very nice,but having a holiday there and living there,not quite the same.

I wish you well

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 17:37

We bought a holiday apartment a few years ago, having visited on holidays for many years. Personally, I would never do it again, but Mr Wick loves having the apartment in TRNC. As others have said, the cost of living now is far and above what it was a few years ago, but isn't it everywhere? I agree with Timothy Cadman that many people upped sticks and moved - visualising a life in the sun, low cost of living, etc. and a few years down the line seemed gobsmacked that everything had gone up! As a consequence, pensions, interest on savings, etc. did not stretch as far as they had envisaged.

J

scampy



Joined: 15/01/2008
Posts: 982

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 18:56

The Wicks



Try being a single mum here ??????????



Then you can imagine Why I am leaving



Susie x

keeft


Joined: 04/10/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 19:35

Pipie

Hi, I too would like to know why people are selling and wanting to leave TRNC. As someone who is seriously interested in buying here, a few matter of fact answers would be invaluable to me. Replies like I won't bore you with reasons, are not woth posting.

Come on folks lets here some genuine answers. Your replies will only be one side of the coin, so I'll be asking the other side for their views too.

By the way if anyone has a villa/bungalow for sale.............

Best Wishes

Keeft

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 19:43

Re mess 23 - Timothy, i sympathise with you as you like a good many here based your money calculations on the cost of living at the time....



When Turkey sorts itself out and interest rates drop in line with the rest of Europe, many many thousands are going to be in severe financial dificulty....



And good luck Scampi, nice to hear a happy ending for a change



Nick.

ladylittle


Joined: 09/03/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 19:51

Each to their own I guess, but I have to say I am very happy here, been here for just over 4 years, we had our son here and as far as we are concerned its the best place for him. No regrets.. however my Mum and Dad are here and have been for 10 years, so we have alot of support here. Just my opinion, its not easy here, but where is?? just make the most of what you have got...

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 20:56

keeft message 28, what makes you choose t.r.n.c. ?

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:08

i'm sad to hear such negativity about the place i have just chosen to relocate to early next year ! i am sorry some of you have had enough of the sunshine beaches etc ! however although i live in a lovely part of england we have decided to relocate to a warmer climate as i (not mrs snakes) am gettin on a bit and need to slow down and concentrate on enjoying life or whats left of it !

i do feel that some have not realised how difficult it is to work for decent money in trnc and inevitably savings run out if your calculations are a fall short of what is really needed ! although i am inexperienced at the living situation until next year and may well eat my words ! you can hardly blame the country for the serious rise in inflation throughout the world and under calculating how much it really costs to live there !

i hope whoever leaves to go elasewhere is able to adapt to the living standards wherever you choose to go ! i sincerely hope you are all happy as we hope to be in trnc.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:10

Blimey Stan, you can`t leave. Who is Rev Walker gonna take the p*** out of?

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:23

Mr & Mrs Snakes - what a heartening post. I think you have absolutely the right idea and wish you both health and happiness when you eventually move. You, at least, have a down-to-earth attitude about this and hopefully, you will not be disappointed.

With all good wishes for the future.

Mr & Mrs Wick

keeft


Joined: 04/10/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:42

Some where for a second home, I like the weather, the people ,the property prices, the scenery and, oh yes the beer!!!!

Lets face it mate living in here in uk (don't get me wrong proud to be an Englishman) taxed up to eyeballs , investments going down the pan, crime rate,

price of beer!!!! paid £3.85 for a pint in the Holiday Inn the other night, and oh yes its blinkin cold and wet here all year long. At 63 what the hell, unless others persuade me to the contary I'll give it a try. Got two friends who have moved here one hates it ! the other loves it hence my postings. Welcome all replies

brandy sour


Joined: 09/04/2008
Posts: 310

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 22:22

Yes i agree with you Keeft to live in NC i think you have to have financially secured to live there now living off your saving is probably come to the end for some people which is very sad.

sonja


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 23:01

Hi Keeft, I have a 3 bedroomed villa for sale with a 10x5 pool on a 1 donum plot with landscaped gardens to be sold complete with all white goods curtains and blinds and fully furnished to a high standard, parking for 3 or more cars.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 23:36

NC could & should be a wonderful spot for people to retire to. Bloody shame that the TRNC government & or it's people doesn't seem to want that to happen. The legal system including the courts and lawyers that should protect people and their property is a sham. The building industry is rife with get rich quick cowboy construction firms leaving many peoples lives shattered (i.e. Marian Stokes HBPG). Anyone who is not a TC faces obstacles at every turn if they want to apply for residence, start a business, import goods, get a job.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 00:40

Keeft, we moved here 18 months ago and it's the best decision we ever made. We love it here but to do so you must be prepared to go with the flow. It is not the UK and nor would we want it to be. Live and eat like a local and your money will go much further.



Do yourself a favour and rent for a minimum of 6 months before you commit yourself. It will give you a chance to decide where you want to be and you'll more than likely bag yourself a bargain.



Good luck.



Jo

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 04:57

Northern Cyprus - It's GREAT !!



Sorry, strike that - It Grates.....



Nick

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 09:06

I totally agree with you Jo,

we too came over about 18 months ago, and love it, and are pleased that

it isn't like UK.



As i always say, if you leave your brain on the plane, you will have

problems.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 09:58

Flowerfairy,



Like your last sentence. Unfortunatley that is where most fall foul of the monetary issues.



We worked out what the worst case scenarios would be as regards potential loss of house, inflation etc.



Then looked at sale of UK house and how much would then be invested, a lot at 18%, plus work pensions and eventually state pensions. In 3 years we have increased our savings pot!



I do get sick of the complaints about Brits being picked on. Yes there are problems, largely due to builders and the language issue. However, Cypriots go through the same issues of building regs, getting permits etc. If you are Turkish, thenyou just have to look around immigration offices in lefkosa.



So do ALL your homework, double, then check again your finances and talk to as many people as possible, mostly off these forums to get your advice.



Stands back in amazement!!!!!!!

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 10:41

message 42 maybe if some of the complaints happened to yourself you might not feel so sick, money and language are not a issue in my case, you are right about doing your homework, however you cannot beat the system and that is two tier , your been here 3yrs, stand back in amazement dont make me laugh mutlu bayram

Bilko


Joined: 11/03/2008
Posts: 98

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 10:56

Five reasons for moving to the TRNC:



1. Good value for money

2. Beautiful country

3. Lovely people

4. Gorgeous weather

5. Relaxed lifestyle



Sadly, there's only one left. We're off asap.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 10:57

I think we have to agree that some people make a success of life here and some don't..



The biggest cause of not doing so is - not doing your homework (sic).



I do feel sorry for people whose hopes of the good life are dashed on the rocks of failed building companies... it must be near unbearable.



People who try to run businesses and don't do their arithmetic and don't have a proper businesses plan are lucky if they pull it off.... ;¬)

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 11:20

groucho, your exactly right for the one,s that try businesses with underfunding, The cypriots in london a;ll seem to do well in there restraunt,s maybe there better business people i do feel sorry for the one,s over here that get there life saveings taken from them and with nothing to show for it , even with so called court judement made against some of these people, THE WORD,S NO problem send a shiver through me have a good day

keeft


Joined: 04/10/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 11:36

Hi Jo

Thanks for reply. Yes agree with you and others have advised me to rent before purchase so is a consideration, bur as I don't intend to become a resident but a month here and there, hopefully have the best of both worlds.

Thanks

Keeft

keeft


Joined: 04/10/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 11:41

Hi Sonja



airarm25@btinternet.com



Be pleased to hear from you



Keeft

aripointer


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 11:46

Welcome to sunny UK. The goverment here are the most honest bunch in the world?

Smallprint Brown and his merry bunch are no better than the TRNC goverment.

He has made so many U turns he must be dizzy.



So dont be sorry to those returning to the UK when after a couple of months you wished you were back in sunny climes. The only queues longer than the dole queue here- are the ones behind the markdown chap in the supermarket.



AP

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 11:53

Gooner stan, I do hope you are not implying that I am not be totally honest. Mods do not like that sort of thing. As you do not even state which country you live you have no grounds for complaining about anything.



If you would like to see my passport with all residency stamps etc I would be more than happy to show you. 3 years 4th January. In that time only 1 weeks absence. Anything else???????

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 12:18

the reason the cypriots do well in the uk is.

they all look after each other.

something the expat community have yet to learn!

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 12:29

message50 i have no wish to get into any confrontation with you, if you had taken the trouble to read the whole thread the answer to your stupid question is there, i have no wish to see your passport or anymore dribble from you i hope mod,s i havent offended

Chicken Run


Joined: 11/10/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 12:35

Life in North Cyprus certainly isn't perfect, and having been here for 7 years I have seen more changes than most on this board, but if you think that the UK is any better then you'll be very dissapointed when you go back. All the things you left because of are still there but ten fold. Bad weather, high taxes, serious crime problems and a shite Government... to name just a few!!!



North Cyprus has a great Climate, low taxes, low crime... and a shite Government!!!



I know where i would rather be...

wattys


Joined: 07/10/2008
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 12:55

It's not just NC there are thousands of ex pats in the south, Spain, Portugal and many other countries who are struggling with the cost of living due to the exchange rate on the euro.



I have friends who moved to Spain looking to live the dream many of them are now finding that there is no such thing, whatver country you buy property in there are bad agents bad solicitors, and other arsholes who try to rip you off.



Another friend moved to the south in June this year he is now asking did he do the right thing, and he is not short of a few pennies.



No matter how much home work you do, you can not see what financial situation is around the corner, otherwise we would all be very rich.



Everyone must feel sorry for the people who are in the situation of having to move back to the UK, but PLEASE do not just think it's just NC.



There are many good things in the NC lets embrace what we have.

berty



Joined: 11/01/2008
Posts: 216

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 16:35

to sum up: it loks as if everyone is legging it!!

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 16:44

the uk is going down hill, you's in the trnc are so much better off so enjoy it, ive been on both ends of the bridge.

Chicken Run


Joined: 11/10/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 16:52

Berty... legging it??? Not me mate...

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 19:33

Goonerstan,



If you knew anything about living here and have read this forum we have had as much hassle as anyone but we are trying to fight through it.



To make life better I would like to see to see less off you idiotic nonsense that you write about fooball etc but I will cope I suppose!!!!!!!



Otherwise good luck back in UK, Oh forgot I do not know where you live not in your profile.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 20:09

goonerstan,



If you like Croatia you should like neighbouring Slovenia. It's on the sunny side of the Alps next door to Austria, Italy and Hungary, it's only the size of Yorkshire but has three weather systems (alpine, continental and Mediterranean), everything works and is above board and it's in the EU. I sold a lock-up garage in central Edinburgh and ended up with a farm cottage and huge vineyard producing 2,500 litres of good wine. Skiing, spas and the seaside all within driving distance. A small ex-pat community live there.



http://www.ourslovenia.com

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 20:13

Scampy: "Try being a single mum here ?????????? Then you can imagine Why I am leaving."



Just out of interest how different would being a single mum be in Australia? I thought the points system demanded certain trades and professions plus financial evidence that the immigrant could support themselves without being a burden on the state. As I say, just curious.

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 20:17

Pike it's your round....................

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 20:24

Buy a box of 12 medium-dry white from me! They make excellent Christmas presents and every one with the Chateaux Pikey label.

johnnybgoode


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 19:02

im right behind you rocker, and anyone esle who's had enough of being ripped off, those who know me will know the problems iv'e had so i wont bore the people who don't know me.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 19:15

HI DIXIE please tell me how you manage to get all those benefits here, as one of our customers has had his disability stopped he had a brain tumor as the dds or dwp whatever they are called said because he spends a lot of the year here he is not entitled to his benefit, do you know how he can appeal if he is here.

froggy


Joined: 21/11/2008
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 20:29

so can you please tell me rocker and johnny b good why you are leaving as i have been here for a couple of years and things seem ok with me. people both local and expat are ok and helpful, life is good and healthy, so why are you leaving.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 20:34

Lilli,



They do not stop your incapacity benefit for being here. That is fact because I went through all the issues before we moved out and I was flabbergasted at what you can get money wise.



The issue is your capacity to work???? 4/5 years ago it was a simple issue to convince the DSS medics what was wrong and, in my case it was accepted that there was no possibility of returning to my "NORMAL" employment.



In the last 18 months the criteria has changed to one of "can you do some form of remunerable employment". ie the country is bankrupt and let us save some money (OOPPS Sorry!!! naughty).



Because our permanent address is here when my periodic medical was due the details were sent to me via the High Commission!!! Got all the details completed and expenses paid and forms returned.



To my doctors surprise my benefit was stopped using the above criteria. When I explained the scenario to doctor she understood.



TBC

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 20:38

apologies for moving to another page. But this may be helpful to others as to what procedure is.



I could have appealed and returned to UK for medical with DSS own doctor. But given the new rules we felt it would be a wasted trip in our case. I could work doing something other than what I was previoulsy emploed at.



I hope that helps and if anyone wants to know more then I would be happy to talk off forum.



Bottom line, you can get many benefits that you would be entitled to in UK. You just have to put effort into it and if knocked back as we were then consider what are the alternatives.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 20:47

hi cih thank you for explaing it to me i can pass this info on. he is gutted and was told he would have to go to a medical board and like you thinks its a waste of his time to go back to be knocked back. he is 65 years old and was an engineer but with the brain tumour feels he cant go back to that if he could get a job. im sorry to hear about you but it just had to ask dixienormus how its done.keep well as you say quite rightly whats the alternative. speak to you soon lilli xxx

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 21:14

Lilli.. His disability has stopped because he is 65 and about to draw state pension ..they willnot pay both,it has happened to me and my cousin..he appealled against it and he is paralysed down one side and that was the answer he received.He may be able to claim mobility allowance if he finds difficulty getting around,worth a try...

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 23:32

Well Dixie,

you just about sum up why i left Uk. I would just like to ask, how long

did you actually work, and pay your NI contributions?

You brag about getting your disability payments, and heating allowance,

then go on to brag getting double rent from the Polish.

Talk about greedy, no wonder the British honeypot is diminishing.

Again, well done the British government. Not

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 10:01

hi coachie thank you for that info i will pass it on, its a minefield.hows things there now. nobody wants what hey are not entitled to but dixies thread made me ask, thank you again. have a great xmas to you and your family. lillix

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 10:17

I wish you had said 65, I could have saved the typing. LOLOL



However by posting then maybe it will still be of help to others!!



David

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 16:17

hi cih so sorry i didnt think age made a difference to benefits but it is very useful advice and i thank you, sorry got your fingers working so hard LOL see you soon lilli x

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 17:30

Dixie-

Didn't take long for the bait to be ripped off the hook!



Any country is going to suffer from inflation. Because you get 18-20% interest doesnt mean that it will last forever anywhere. If the interest on savings isnt enough to live off at a normal 5% interest then you aint got enough savings and will have to work. If you get the18-20% then you are a march ahead of those on 5% when the time comes for rates to get lower.



Can we hear from people as to where the grass is positively greener please?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 17:55

Jeez what is wrong with some of you, dixie normous is clearly winding you all up and you bite, the word thicko's springs to mind lol.





Keep up the good work DN, you crack me up

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 12:53

hi all.. question? Could I live on £1000 per month in the TRNC???

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 13:23

Coachie , really good question if you started that as a new thread i bet you would get lots if replies .

PIPIE


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 13:28

Interesting feedback , seems to have gone off track a little , does any one actually know people who are leaving the TRNC ? CHEERS

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 14:24

COACHIE,

Given that the minimum wage in TRNC is just over 1000YTL, then yes, you can LIVE on £1,000 per month, easily -thousands of tcs do it on a lot less.

If you want to maintain a large Villa, large pool, large car, use aircons a lot in hot weather, use central heating a lot in cold weather, entertain lavishly, dress well, eat out a lot, drink out a lot, and support a wife with similar requirements, not to mention pets... - then you'll struggle!

And if the exchange rate gets any worse, assuming that you are receiving the income in GBP, God help you.

Keith.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 14:39

keith..I was curious to know what I could do with that sortof money because that is what I have to live on here in the UK and we manage very well.Dont do alot of entertaining except family on Sundays,go out maybe once amonth,run 2 cars,play golf...have a couple of holidays a year..Well if people are leaving the TRNC they must be trying to live on a heck of a lot less..Is that why they are coming back to the UK...

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 14:48

COACHIE

Do you play golf on a council course? - there aren't any here, it's a rich man's game!

As for why people are leaving TRNC, or why, or what they're trying to live on - I don't know any of them - can anyone answer?



...takes us neatly back to the thread!...



Keith.

yorkie58


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 09:24

Keithcaley, It's a rich mans game in the TRNC not in the UK you can easily get membership of £500 and £500 joining fee in many really good clubs in the UK no need to join a council course many of which are decent courses.



TRNC MEMBERSHIP = £1,129 JOINING FEE £1,804 bloody expensive

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 09:39

Yorkie,



I think Keith was making the same point as you...



However I would point out that although the annual fee etc. look pricey when you work it out, it's about £10 a round of golf here if you play often enough to get your money's worth. So it's actually quite reasonable for a top quality course and I'm told it is one of the best in the med and certainly the best on the island...



I'm a Mark Twain man myself...

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 09:46

Asking a silly question why do they need both?

TRNC MEMBERSHIP = £1,129 JOINING FEE £1,804



If you are on holiday what would it cost to visit a couple of times? is it even possible?

Without having to pay above fees.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 09:56

One leading Estate Agent in Girne has 398 resales on their books at the mo. Expecting that most of those are owned by Brits i was wondering how many are second "holiday" homes and how many are owned as a res idential homes, ie; Expats who are going. Seems a lot of property for a small country?

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 11:59

Turbo,



Yes it's possible to play as a Member's Guest and pay a green fee 'per game' - in 2007 it was £35 a game on weekdays, £50 at weekends.



And just to be clear, there is a 'Joining Fee' and an 'Annual Subscription' - apparently this is normal practice at all golf clubs - don't ask me why, I don't play golf, and have absolutely no connection with the place!



Keith.

Menace


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 93

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 12:22

Lets have some kind of poll......how many of the "get out of TRNC" party actually live there full time?I think this might tell us rather a lot.

In case you are wondering.....I don"t at the moment but am intending to do so in the next couple of months.

John

spud1


Joined: 22/05/2007
Posts: 544

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 12:54

many golf clubs have now stopped the joining fees in the uk as they are unable to fill the membership. spud1

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 13:04

I think you`ll be o.k menace and will have a great life with your new start. I only holiday there at the moment and if you are going to relocate you ARE lucky. The politics at present and the recession are taking it`s toll on a few peps at the mo methinks... ride the waves and all will be good, it`s early doors yet. 8-)

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 13:22

Re the golfing I went along and told the guy I was a country member.



"I'll remember," he replied.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 18:25

Pike,



You nicked my joke! without a credit... naughty... now you owe me drink... and mine's a 'Charlie Drake Special'... a pint of Drambuie Shandy...

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 23:40

At least WW1 vintage that one as my granddad told me it, but we're both far too youthful to have dreamed it up.



Maybe one day for the drinks, you never know.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 21:44

hi all i was told by a customer last week that 90 containers have gone back to the uk and only 6 arrived here worrying thought

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 13:57

Just picked up this thread,but what strikes me is the support systems(or lack of them) - I think I'll start a new thread on this theme,because it may prove useful to many,including me.There is also a need to weigh up pros and cons for TRNC v UK - but this will apply to any country that you emigrate to.Also it is seems to me that you need a fairly long lead up date to actual transfer over.

From my own experience,friends have told me of "rip off Spain",with his solar panels being nicked every time he's not there etc.I think that I would try and mingle more with the indigenous population,and meets ex pats on both sides of the border - in this way,it could assist the peace process in time. Without wishing to sound like Victor Meldrew,I see so many long faces in the UK,bemoaning everything - you know how it is - but one thing is certain,ois that the UK is less friendly and supportive,and has been getting worse for the past 20 years. Nobody outside family helps anyone - I'm all right - cont

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 14:10

Jack mentality. Maybe some of you may think its because I'm about to be made redundant for the third time in 7 years - buts its not - the UK has become too greedy and uncaring. Our management within the County Council have gradually become more bullying,and this is reflected in there attitude to other staff and service users. Friends in the NHS have noticed to,and are demoralised. So the first time I was made redundant,I put a small amount of my cash into shares,after paying down part of my mortgage - to see how it went. I did ok,swings and roudabouts,suffering now;but thats life. Put some cash into property in TRNC because the natives seemed friendly,seemed to like brits - maybe because they had their culture and laws. I didn't get the imperialistic theme that Pikey tub thumps on about - but my thinking is - give it a go and see where it leads,from small acorns and all that. Would welcome other peoples good and bad experiences,because I think this the way to progress through - cond

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 14:20

the Maze. The main stumbling block must be finance and /or jobs,otherwise a large part of the ex pats will become similar to Costa Geriatica in Spain. I know some builders employ british qualified men to bring standards up to scratch,and this is now suffering given the current climate. Maybe the TRNC govt could encourage more nationalies to go to the TRNC by offering them tax incentives - this is what Oz did in the 1950's,so why not copy them? Separate application to the EU(without Turkey),may be worth trying. Still think more international coverage would be useful,as few people worldwide of aware of the events. I only discovered the North because a friend went to the island in 1990,and commented on the pity of it all + a local librarian to always went to Kyrenia,after being fed up of being ripped off in the South. So what does everyone think - over to you chaps and chappesses. kind regards,Steve

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 15:24

steve

my personal feelings are that once we were welcome in the trnc but not anymore.

often we are told that all they english cypriots are returning, if we complain we should go home. they don't care.

we have two english cypriot friends , neither family can stand it here and one is looking to return to the uk and the other has just purchased in turkey.

so i think the locals are a little mixed up.

spoke to a friend who is in politics last week, most haven't got a clue of the problems that the expats face here.

lots of people are leaving,they have spent their money and are fed up with it.

for us we are happy here for now, but 5-10 years from now who knows where they will be?

for me its all about making the best of what ever you have, where ever you are.

reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 16:08

Why are those people who left the UK, now returning?



You obviously left the UK for a good reason, maybe it wasnt working for you there.

So you tried TRNC, and it didnt work out there either.

So why return to somewhere you already left?...believe me it hasnt improved in the UK since you left...infact you will find its worse.



So where else would you go? If not UK or TRNC??



Repro

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 16:30

Dear Rose,

Been over to the TRNC about 8/9 times now. It seems to be like the UK used to be in the 1960/70's. I haven't seen much graffiti,chewing gum on the streets,no go areas,crime,gangs,druggies,beggars and aggressive drunks. The TC's I have chatted to seem to try and assist when they can,and treat you with respect. I think it was Coachie that posted about cost of living being overall cheaper than UK if your income is the same.

UK is cold and wet,and taxes seem to be swamping the ordinary working class mug. Friend of mine said she would love to use Cyprus as a base for touring the middle east,but she cant afford a property in the South+ the Euro.

Intersted to learn examples of the problems you have encountered as ex-pats?How can the brits influence the locals? kind regards.Steve

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 16:34

Would it be any different if you rented here long term rather than buy outright?



It seems to me that most of the problems relating to the trnc are to do with Property. Therefore if you don't own a property the problems go away.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:55

Steve1953: "Put some cash into property in TRNC because the natives seemed friendly,seemed to like brits - maybe because they had their culture and laws. I didn't get the imperialistic theme that Pikey tub thumps on about..."



But aren't YOU being imperialistic by assuming Turkish Cypriots like Brits because they have their "culture and laws", as you put it? I think TCs would be very put out at someone inferring their culture was anything like British, and as for the law, you gotta be kidding.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 18:00

Steve1953: "Maybe the TRNC govt could encourage more nationalies to go to the TRNC by offering them tax incentives - this is what Oz did in the 1950's,so why not copy them? Separate application to the EU(without Turkey),may be worth trying."



This makes two false assumptions. The first is that there are many people of great talent and vision in the local Turkish administration, and the second is that there is any country in the world called the TRNC. How can a place deemed illegal by the UN Security Council and Europe EVER apply to join the EU?

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 19:57

Why not declare UDI ,IOM Jesey,Guernsey and rest of commonwealth countries do it. Certainly not thinking UK ish,but roots go back there.The country could present some of their own policies forward,if some initiatives were introduced. Deadlocked at minute,but as I've said before ... too ,many politicians and not enough common sense. A line needs to be drawn sometime.

Steve

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:15

Steve1953,



The "TRNC" was created in 1983 when the Turkish puppet leader Denktas declared UDI. So it's been done already, and all that has been gained is isolation, poverty and the steady decline of the Turkish Cypriot community in Cyprus. The states you mention can't be compared with the north of Cyprus because they are legal and recognised.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:28

Message 98 - Reproman - I moved from TRNC to Bavaria. Like most places, it has it's problems, but all in all I am very happy here.



Neighbours from TRNC also moved here and love it!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 23:37

Great part of the world, phil. I'm there regularly. Good choice.

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 23:53

PP.

Great deal of talk and reference to the illegitimacy of TRNC from UN security council et al.



It is the case that UN have instigated and indeed financing current settlement talks.

It is clear that recognition of TRNC by UN et al is on its way in one form or another.



I am hopefull that soon direct flights to Ercan will come in 2009.

Have you noticed the high level of "CYPRUS" promotion at the moment.

See UK national TV advertising campaign. Notice pitch side banners at tonights Hamburg V Aston Villa game.

I suspect that this "whole island" promotion will have benefits to both N and S

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 07:57

A little piece of fact for you all, can be backed up with a phone call to Mr Olay at Olaytrans, if proof positive be needed.

In November month 2 new containers of shipped possessions arrived in Famagusta port from UK and elsewhere,

14 containers of possessions went from Famagusta port, 10 to UK, 1 to France, 1 to Germany, 2 elsewhere

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 08:12

Well Punk the sample is overwhelming.... even Pike would not accept this as proof positive of a mass exodus... but if we accept that a number of families are leaving...



I think it's far to say that, with the sudden influx of incomers in the last few years, a certain percentage were for one reason or another going to find reasons to return to the UK, not least among them failed business ventures and running out of money due to not being able to find suitably remunerated and legal employment....



This process is not necessarily anything to do with the state of the island, the current negotiations or maybe anything other than, not having done their homework before making the decision to come and possibly not really having worked out what their life would be like here...



We love it and are staying... I can't see anything drawing us back to the UK, seems like a total f*ck-up to me. Having said that we do love the old country and hope for better things for all the folk back home.

moomoo


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 08:43

Oh and in the UK there is no nifty flag you can see from space carved on the mountain side!! :(



LMAO!!

moomoo


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 08:43

In response to messages about people fed up of TRNC..



I live in London and want to come back to TRNC.. but guess what..?? I cant sell my house here in the UK. Funny that the ex pats in TRNC complain about the same.



The fact is the times are hard EVERY WHERE at present



You guys in TRNC dont know what you are missing back in the UK now.. Yes, a shite government like TRNC and ROC..



COUNCIL TAX!!

RISING CRIME!

RAIN!

PRICE OF BEER! My local charges £2.85 / pint!!

FOOD PRICES!

TRAFFIC!

FUEL PRICES THROUGHT THE ROOF

FISH AND CHIPS (JOKE - I LOVE FISH AND CHIPS REALLY!!)

GREASY KEBABS (NOT LIKE IN TRNC)

RISING UNEMPLOYMENT





Lets face it people we are all in the same boat no matter where we are..



Peace and love to our British Brothers and Sisters!



Remember that the grass is always greener etc etc

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 09:01

It's not difficult for the grass to be greener...than in Cyprus :¬)



You just have to appreciate the real things Cyprus has to offer... it is these things that we love.

cragstun


Joined: 15/11/2008
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 09:31

HELLO KEEFT



WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A PROPERTY?



I HAVE VILLAS JUST STATING TO BE BUILT IN BAHCELI. A VILLA AVAILABLE IN LAPTA, AND AN OFF PLAN READY TO START IN ESENTEPE.



I ALSO HAVE SOME APARTMENTS THAT ARE FINISHED AND READY TO MOVE INTO IN BAHCELI THAT YOU COULD RENT IF YOU WANTED TO MOVE SOONER



REGARDS



DAVID

Becks


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 130

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 09:51

my friends can't wait to move out of the TRNC. They are going to Italy. They said that over the last 20 years their is a massive change in the TRNC and they are worried about the future here as they dont see any.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 11:59

hi steve

if you have a holiday home here it is very different from living here full time.

the main things which drive people crazy.

unfinnished properties, ptp, kochans not being given out,paperwork and red tape,

customs duties and rules.

then you will always pay a higher price for goods and services as an expat.

it is very much one rule for tc's and another for expats.

not just the brits but the turkish also.

you also realise that you don't have the freedom of speach as in the uk.

(read up about the two guys who insulted mr t, online.)

you have no rights to vote, or protest.

you have to spend 5 years on a tourist visa, then after that full residency is not a sure thing.

paying for hospital treatment, and the standards of those services are also not as in the uk. a big consideration for those older people here.



when you can get passed all that its fine!

maybe just not everyones cup of tea(or turkish coffee).

reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 13:21

UK hospitals are no better....MRSA?? NHS waiting times, Bodies being dumped in cleaners cupboards? A&E full of drunks and people with stab wounds.



At then end of the day, if you dont have enough money, anywhere you live will be tough.

good luck to those returning to the UK looking to find work, unemployment is rising at its fastest rate, almost at 2 million now, and we aint even begun this recession yet.

Those that went to TRNC looking for a cheap and easy life are waking up to reality, no where is a cheap and easy paradise...not UK, TRNC, Spain, Greece etc. You just have to take the good with the bad and decided what you want out of life.



Also, i wonder how many containers are leaving Florida, Spain etc, with Ex-Pats looking to return to the safety of the UK Nanny state?

As moomoo said, this is a global problem we are all facing right now, and maybe some people find the benefit system in the UK reassuring right now.



Repro

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 13:30

reproman...."As moomoo said, this is a global problem we are all facing right now, and maybe some people find the benefit system in the UK reassuring right now."



Certainly agree with you on that one.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 13:44

How many people from the UK actually live here full time. Just an estimate.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 15:48

Reproman



you are talking from experience of having stayed in a TRNC hospital ?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 16:11

All the people I've spoken to about TRNC medical treatment bar one... has had nothing but praise for the level of primary care and the helpfulness of the nursing staff here..



The hospitals might be old and in need to repair but that does not mean you don't get good care....



In the Uk you might be entitled to free NHS treatment but how long do you have to wait to get it?



If you are getting on a bit and/or with failing health, I think you'd be wise to buy health insurance here...



At least you will be seen and not be on a huge waiting list to see some consultant at some unspecified time in the future...

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
14/12/2010 22:32

I know this is an old thread to bring up but, two years after this thread started, how many people here still feel like staying / leaving?

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
14/12/2010 23:02

Repo you are right. However the real costs have gone up a quarter in the last two years. Those returning from overseas may get a shock!