Quarintine laws relaxed in UK

marvin


Joined: 23/06/2009
Posts: 68

Message Posted:
29/12/2011 16:41

BBC News on the internet today states Quarintine length of time to be reduced from six months to three weeks commencing from January.

Marvin.

tania


Joined: 09/12/2011
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
29/12/2011 16:51

That's just for foreign nationals - animals are still 6 months

babydoll


Joined: 27/07/2011
Posts: 140

Message Posted:
29/12/2011 16:53

its not as straight forward as that pets will still need a rabies vaccination certificate which can take between 3 & 6 months for tests to be confirmed so you still have a wait the first time the animal is done then the pet has to be checked within 12 months every year to keep its passport upto date

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
29/12/2011 18:42

Msg 2.

I like that one.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
29/12/2011 18:47

And there is still no legal approved route from North Cyprus.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/12/2011 19:11

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/pets/



I have enquired from the trnc custom officers that if the pet has a passaport(eu) there will be no hussle crossing them over,should you wish to do so in order to transfer them in another eu country,ie.uk.







ps.never forget the fact of.................where there is a will there is a way.if you need further info contasct me off board as I'm not sure I should pass on the info I have via public forum.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
29/12/2011 20:23

Well on speaking with Dr Mehmet from the TRNC Vets department he agrees with me. There is no LEGAL route back to the UK from the TRNC.

TRNC customs officers don't have any say its down to the vets department, and in the UK its down to DEFRA. If you want to take a pet back email DEFRA and ask them. Cos i know the answer!



Yes, where there is a will there is a way. But far to many posts on here advising people that its ok now to take back your dog, its all legal. Without an approved route it isn't. I just don't want to see people conned.

I am also as yet to see a TRNC pet passport, lol.

pupaden


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
29/12/2011 23:39

yorgozlu are you saying that you can cross the boarder with them into the south side

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 07:18

pupaden-msg 8;



YES,thats exactly what I'm saying.



I WILL prove it to all..............................soon...................







and not just to uk,either...............

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 07:53

Then the only question is: Is there a legal route for pets from the RoC to the UK? That will take the TRNC vets department and DEFRA out of the picture if it was so.

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 09:36

Yorz. Correct me if I`m wrong, but the problem is not with the TRNC customs, it`s with them on the other side. (I hope I am wrong).

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 11:51

Yorgozlu

You are very wrong...crossing a dog from north to south is NOT allowed by EU regulations!!

TRNC customs have absolutely no saying on it..

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 12:51

iceman



I'm refering to pets with EU passaports.



just bear with me for few more weeks............

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 12:58

Why would any one want to 'smuggle' their so called beloved pets into another country with out doing the correct procedure?



It will only endanger the actual animal/dog and of course what it may bring into the country! ....

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 14:23

Yorgozlu

Trust me..... i know what i am talking about when it comes to this subject.

Both my dogs are imports from EU countries and have EU passports.

Both my dogs have the rabies serology test done in Scotland..



But still they are NOT allowed to cross to ROC legally!!

Hamish


Joined: 19/01/2011
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 14:53

There is another thread with info regarding how pets can travel back to the UK.

There is no route back to the UK from TRNC via RoC - it would be so much easier for us all if there were.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 15:32

Yorg,

Listen to the Iceman, i also have three dogs with EU passports, they are not allowed entry legally to the south.

Not for show, not for export or anything else.

Dogs can come legally from south to north, i had the first dog which did this. But you cannot go legally from north to south.

I have personally turned up at Metehan and tried it on, to test them, no way is it happening legally. Yes TRNC customs will let you leave with your dog, but the Roc won't let you in!

Its not the TRNC customs who have the say, in fact its Dr Mehmet in the north, its the Roc in the south and DEFRA if you want to enter the UK!



Hamish, there is no legal route full stop. The TRNC is classed as a third country. There are ways around this but none of them 100% legal. Even with an EU pet passport your dog has been in a third country, not in the EU. DEFRA will confirm this!

mikea11


Joined: 15/06/2008
Posts: 254

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 16:00

On the news last night they said dogs coming from outside the EU would still have to have rabies jabs and blood test but the quarenteen period could be reduced to as little as three weeks in the UK

. Dont quote me on this but that is what was said.

mikea11


Joined: 15/06/2008
Posts: 254

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 16:04

Also the need to have the worming and flee treatment prior to entry to the UK was being stopped as from 1/1/12

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 16:11

Just to add my tuppence worth from my understanding.

There is no legal direct route from the TRNC to the UK, because there is no carrier currently that the UK recognises. However there is from next year nothing illegal about using an indirect route via a third country, provided all the paper work is in order. The UK insists that the animals enter via an approved carrier, so you can legaly go from TRNC to a third country, like say Germany and from Germany use an approved carrier to go to the UK and this is perfectly legal as I understand it. Before this change this kind of route could be used but it involved chaging the paper work in the third country, which is what made it legaly dubious. From 1st Jan 2012 there is no need to change the paperwork in the third country. The new regulations do not now care where the animal has come from, just that it has approved paper work and enters via an apporved carrier.

the2ofus


Joined: 13/02/2008
Posts: 637

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 16:24

Yes erolz my thoughts also;



The Defra site reads :

"Dogs, cats and ferrets prepared for the Pet Travel Scheme in, or returning to the UK from the Republic of Cyprus, may enter or re-enter the UK without a blood test. However, animals travelling from north Cyprus (the area north of the Buffer Zone) must be blood sampled at least 30 days after vaccination against rabies and wait 3 months before travelling to the UK"

Note -It specifically talks of North Cyprus



Also if the rules apply as if they are travelling from an unlisted (third) country;

"What has to be done From 1 January 2012

Microchip Yes

Rabies vaccination Yes (same as above)

Blood test Yes. Blood sample taken at least 30 days after vaccination. (same as above)

Documentation ( third country certificate) Yes

Pre-entry waiting period Yes

Length of waiting period before entry to the UK 3 months after blood sample date (same as above)

Tick treatment No

Tapeworm treatment 1-5days before entry to the UK"

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 16:29

The point is the2ofus is that the three months waiting period can now be done IN the TRNC.



Before even if you had done 3 months waiting in the TRNC and had proper paperwork proof of this from EU approved labs, when you went via a thrid country you would have to do it all over again, wait three months in the third country and get new paperwork from that country before going onto the UK, or fudge the paperwork so that there was no record of it having come from the TRNC. This is no longer the case. You do the three months in the TRNC and get the right paperwork, go to the third country and then go onto the UK without having to wait three months. That is the difference.

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 18:04

Can I take it then that it is legal in the eyes of the RoC for a dog to be brought across any crossing point from the South into the North and then back again into the South?



I only ask as I quite often see dogs exiting from RoC registered vehicles on Sundays in the main Girne car park, small lap dogs seem to the the favorite things to bring with them - or maybe they are actually TRNC hire dogs????



I can only presume that the same dogs are allowed back into the RoC without any problem or three months wait by the RoC customs.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 18:11

Technically waddo as I understand it they should not be allowed to cross back because of the greenline regulations, which are seperate from standard regulations for bringging pets into and out of the country and which clearly stipulate no live animals can cross, pets or otherwise, or indeed animal products. However the on the ground reality is somewhat different from what the greenline regulations actualy say it would appear.

daisythedog


Joined: 17/07/2009
Posts: 73

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 18:44

I was in the veterinary dept at Larnaca customs yesterday and although they most reluctantly accept that dogs and cats are being taken through the ROC to the North they most strenuously point out that they cannot be bought back over the border to the south.

On the point raised, mostly by Blade, about approved routes - a recent notice on the Defra website stated that 'to simply matters from 1/1/12 all approved carriers will be able to transport pets from any country into their current designated UK arrival site'

ie BA, Lufthansa etc will be able to take from Istanbul or anywhere to Heathrow. So it's not a matter of approved routes anymore just approved carriers.

The other sticky point is (to quote email from Defra) although it is not a legal requirement most airlines prefer to carry pets as manifest cargo separate from passengers.

This makes the costs much higher than if carried as escorted excess baggage.

If Turkish Airline get approval we'll have to see what they decide to do.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 20:45

iceman



I'll pop over to see you when I'm back and explain all info I've gained and of course to listen to your side.



erolz;

You are quite correct regarding new law-regulations.



I'll be meeting up with officials in heathrow airport on the 3rd of jan(extended my stay 2 days for that) and hopefuly will arrive in cyprus with proof of paperwork.

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
30/12/2011 21:06

Yorgozlu

You are more than welcome when you are back, but let me tell you one thing..

It is not the "officials in Heathrow" that decide who enters with what to ROC controlled territories..



I know it sounds stupid when free roaming dogs cross backwards & forwards through almost 170 miles of buffer zone.

The main reason ROC (apart from the political reasons) does not allow dogs to cross from north to south is that Turkey is NOT a rabies free country and since ROC does not control the entry points to the island in the north,they will will ban entry for dogs from north to south.

Only after a solution to the Cyprus problem this ban can be lifted..

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
31/12/2011 10:46

dizzicows-msg 14



>>>Why would any one want to 'smuggle' their so called beloved pets into another country with out doing the correct procedure?<<<



Who said anything about 'not doing the correct procedure?'



or in fact what is a correct procedure?.................other then of course,making sure your 'so called' loved ones are with YOU,and not left behind/abondoned.



I have a friend who smuggled his rotwailer puppy in his ruck sack into cyprus from turkey,simply because he didnt want to put his pet through quarantine.Are we gonna admire him for his determination and succeeding at his target or blame him for doing it illegaly?





happy new year

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
02/01/2012 16:08

Crossed to the south today and deliberately asked the customs (knowing the answer, but it does make you wonder) "Can I bring my animals across to this side from the north to take them to the airport en route for Britain?" Short sharp answer NO