new here - advice on relocation North Cyprus please

taysidegirl


Joined: 03/01/2012
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
03/01/2012 14:19

Hi,



Myself, my boyfriend and 9 year old daughter are looking to relocate in 2012/13 and I am considering GAU for my daughter. We are planning on visiting later this year.



With regard to locations I am looking at Alsancak/Lapta/Karsiyaka/Karaglanoglui. Can anyone let me know please where are the most children my daughter's age, or the benefits of these places for us.



Also, any advice regarding work for my boyfriend, he has 40 years experience in the building trade and currently is a self employed builder. Would it be easy for him to pick up work there? I'm assuming that plenty of people need their houses maintaining/improved etc.



Many thanks in advance for any specific advice you can give on this.



Just to let you all know it's blowing a gale in Tayside (severe wind weather warning!) so those of you grumbling about it being winter there..............we have no sympathy!!!!

Homeangel


Joined: 29/11/2011
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Message Posted:
05/01/2012 10:57

Email me london.nails@hotmail.co.uk for a chat.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
05/01/2012 12:10

Try this thread

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/82798.asp

eager


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Message Posted:
05/01/2012 12:34

Thought she would have had enough advice by now !!

andrew4232



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Message Posted:
05/01/2012 12:52

she must think were not telling it as it really is !! so needs a second opinion

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
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Message Posted:
05/01/2012 15:24

tsg,

Maybe not what you want to hear, but 'as it is'



GAU, not a bad school at all, only thing your daughter may struggle with a little is catching up on the Turkish, which is mandatory, one hour a day.

ESK, probably a better school option.

British Academy (ex Sunny Lane, soon to be Doga College), undergoing changes so who knows.



Alsancak/Lapta/Karsiyaka/Karaglanoglu - probably the best areas all round, though I am sure a few 'cor blimey guvnors' from Chavtalkoy may suggest different.



For your chap working, sorry, but little or no chance as to get a work permit an employer will have to prove no local equivalent labour, and I am afraid 'quality of work' is not a consideration.



Bottom line is, you should only move here is you are self sufficient in terms of funds, with no need to work, other than that you will likely find it hard going.



As I say, maybe not what you want to hear, but better to hear it now than later, and I am considering primarily your daughter, and not y

babydoll


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Message Posted:
05/01/2012 15:30

absolutely spot on yrret

ozankoys


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 905

Message Posted:
05/01/2012 15:55

You must also bear in mind that you will have to pay for your daughter's schooling and also medical expenses for all of you - no NHS here!

Revolver


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Message Posted:
05/01/2012 16:02

0542 878 07 77...Makes your life easier here...

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
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Message Posted:
05/01/2012 16:39

Take it easy with the negatives, people, she only wants to hear positive stuff....fiction to her is better than reality !

taysidegirl


Joined: 03/01/2012
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
05/01/2012 16:45

still putting your tuppence worth where it's not wanted Eamonn i see?

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
05/01/2012 16:51

Unfortunately for you , taysidegirl, it's an open forum ! Try to be precise in your future contributions , please .

taysidegirl


Joined: 03/01/2012
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
05/01/2012 16:57

thanks vrret - good info.

Woodspeckie


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Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
05/01/2012 17:14

Me thinks we have been here before, all sounds familiar!

onehand


Joined: 06/01/2012
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 08:06

Well Tysidegirl all I can say is you will be a lot better off in many ways being over here. As for your boyfriend if he is a good British builder I am sure he will get plenty of work offers from the many Brits here. I for one would welcome a good quality British builder `friend' as i have plenty of need for good workmanship.

People will always mention the negatives wherever they are but there is a lot to be said for the sun on your back and a simpler un hurried lifestyle.

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 09:47

Woodspeckie I agree

my opinion only but I think this is a bit of a wind up lol as her other post was in a similar vein and the words used are reminiscent of A.N.other

However I may be doing an injustice and if so my apologies now

ozankoys


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Posts: 905

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 10:12

I think you need to move over with enough income to cover your living expenses. Then any earnings will be a bonus which will enable you to have a higher standard of living.

There is a lot of work available with exterior painting, most of the properties here are rendered and painted and need re-doing around every 3-5 years with touch ups inbetween.

wackyjim



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Message Posted:
07/01/2012 10:23

steps426... I have had e-mail correspondence with taysidegirl and her questions are genuine

taysidegirl


Joined: 03/01/2012
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 19:38

Thanks onehand, it's nice to hear something positive for a change. I wonder why so many people stay living over there with some of the comments i've been given on my 2 posts. I quite agree that sunshine and a pared-down lifestyle is a positive thing. The point is nowhere is perfect but when the sun is shining for a lot of the year, everything just seems better. (It would be good if more of the people on here remembered the positives!)



Steps, fyi, I put this post up and no-one responded which was why I did another post, hence 2 in similar vein. The second was specifically regarding work for my boyfriend.



I have enough info now anyway thanks everyone, particularly those that emailed me directly.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/01/2012 21:00

Good luck

only listen to the positive ones

taysidegirl


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Message Posted:
08/01/2012 00:36

philbailey, you are everywhere................and everywhere you are still charming people with you quick wit!



keep up the good work of bailey-ism on cyprus44!

onehand


Joined: 06/01/2012
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 07:47

I guess it is the British way to whinge about everyone and everything. I love my Country but recognise the shortcomings. I keep open minded and have a fair opinion.

A lot of people over here forget what it's like to open the curtains in the morning and watch the cold, wind and rain. They take their kids to school huddled up from the cold.

Here you open the curtains to lovely sunshine and beautiful warmth which starts your day off well.

It is not perfect by any means but there again nowhere else is.

I would say get your cold bones over here, your fella will get work (I and others I know have a fair bit needs doing) your child will love it too.

If you cannot afford caviar for your breakfast then just settle for toast. Live within your means and enjoy what you have.

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 14:09

Always work for builders here !!!! Best profession you could possibly have here. Especially in a year or 2 as another boom is imminent !!! It is the land prices you have to watch as they tell the real story. Land I purchased 3 years ago has trebled in price. I would definably give N C a go if I was in your shoes

taysidegirl


Joined: 03/01/2012
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 16:09

Good news - Cyprusman3!



After a week of listening to negativity from people it's really great to hear some positive news from people. My thoughts re. good builders is that even in difficult times a good builder should always be able to pick up some work, but it was much disputed on this forum by people, so thank you.



My other half is delighted! It's cold, damp and grey in Scotland today.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 20:51

I may be wrong (I am usually according to the wife) but I think cyprusman3 may have just been using irony in his comments.

Have a read of http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/78642.asp

taysidegirl


Joined: 03/01/2012
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 21:39

oh Hector!



That makes a change for this forum!!!!



Thank you, but it doesn't matter, I have had other people email me to tell me the way things are. Thanks.

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 21:29

No, you are wrong message 25 and the wife is defo right lol I have a very positive feeling about North Cyprus and so does Bulut construction from Turkey as they just bought out all of Ozyalcin construction's unfinished projects !!! They paid 7.5m sterling for the site between Nicosia and Kyrenia. Must be something happening here don't you think?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 22:18

I don't see the above as a positive move Cyprusman3.



Yet another TC construction company has folded, leaving more empty rotting shells all over the island and needing to be "saved" by a Turkish Company. Has this action also left lots of buyers in the lurch, having paid for property they will not own? Or will Bulat honour Ozyalcin's existing contracts?



Are there buyers of Ozyalcin that have lost out due to this take over?

taysidegirl


Joined: 03/01/2012
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 01:24

I apologise in advance for being thankful for the investment of a Turkish company and anyone that may have lost out in the process, however, having done limited research over the past couple of weeks and some 2 years ago, when I previously looked at NC, it does seem that anyone buying new builds/off plan etc. in this extremely fraught market, hasn't done their research properly and left themselves over-exposed.



It has to be said if the company has folded the buyers will have lost out whether it's been bought out or not. Is it better to leave a derelict shell or another company to take over the build and finish?



So Cyprusman, thanks again for the info. It's good news as far as we are concerned. If major companies are investing that's an excellent sign.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
10/01/2012 01:52

Msg 29 , maybe not for the Cypriots?

bertieboss


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Message Posted:
10/01/2012 04:15

Taysidegirl - are you genuine - or stupid !! No offence but even if you do buy and get all the necessary "documentation" who knows what will become of TRNC in the future - and I am talking as one who cannot stay away from the place - as a holiday visitor. And anyway why does TRNC need even more master builders or whatever?!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 09:04

message 29



Your reply shows that you know little about the political situation in North Cyprus and the existing problems within the construction industry. Doing a bit more research will give you a greater understanding of the current situation but it may well burst the bubble that you appear to be forming. Knowing what is reality and what is fantasy will help you in your decision, whatever it might be.Please try to keep a balanced view otherwise you will become a sitting duck.



People by the way, are not caught out because they have not done their homework, but because the conveyancing laws within the TRNC are full of loop-holes that allow fraud and corruption to flourish within a legal framework. Where else in the world could you pay in full for a property that the seller has no legal obligation to hand over deeds or if he runs into debt you become responsible for paying his debt or risk your home?

yrret


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Posts: 761

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 09:21

In the longer run, and I am talking potentially only a couple of years, I am with C3 on this, and an very much contrary to Bertie

Look at the millions invested in large scale hotel projects (the Merit will more than double in size, plus marina, plus golf course etc), these companies are connected at the very top, and wouldn’t invest unless their money was safe, and there was a reason, and they already knew the outcome of what appears on the face of it to be an uncertain future.

Now look at the imminent permanent division of the island, thus securing all north lands, made more credible by the suggestion of a new name for the north.

Msny TC’s and MlT’s own large tourist businesses in the Karpaz, will they be sold out, I doubt it.

There will be another boom here in the not too distant future, as compared to the rest of Mediterranean Europe, it’s cheap, and away from the Euro.

Just a case of when.

2-3 years I would guess.

However TSG, you still need a work permit for hubby.

taysidegirl


Joined: 03/01/2012
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 10:44

Hhhhhmmmmmmmmm,



Bertieboss/Bradus,



I am well aware of enough that is going on in terms of builders (and others!) securing mortgages against deeds on properties people have bought. I would say, that is what I mean in people not doing there homework. If they haven't researched what MAY happen in terms of the system being so corrupt, I would class that not doing their homework properly.



I have no intention of buying at the moment, I am happy to keep my investments elsewhere thank you.



And no, I'm not stupid, but thank you for asking.



My point is if a Turkish company is prepared to invest 7.5 million in NC it is all for the good.

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 21:17

Unfortunately most of these medium sized companies are not 100% safe !! we all know it they can fold any time so its up to the purchaser to find more reliable methods for buying property ie re sale or use builders which supply guarantees !! I am myself starting a building company up and will guarantee all works and also back it up with assets and a show project consisting of 24 apartments in Zeytinlik which will be completed within 2 months. and fully paid for by myself.

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 21:22

ps philbaby TR came fought conquered and paid cypriots bills for 30 years !! cypriot????????? Whats that?

philbailey


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Message Posted:
10/01/2012 21:25

Ask Yorg and the others

or the guys on the crossing

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
10/01/2012 21:26

cyprusman3. Will the apartments be for rent or for sale? on a previous post you were advising someone not to buy but to invest their money and the interest would pay the rent.

taysidegirl


Joined: 03/01/2012
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 22:01

As an aside, as I read these (some of the previous remarks made by peoples' stupid assumptions) out to my boyfriend, he is in stitches with laughter. If I hadn't had personal emails from people, and enlightened input from people such as cyprusman, we would have been put off from moving to NC by a small minority of people on this forum who have obviously nothing better to do than infect other people with their negtivity of everything.



How bad is it all really?



My bills for last year gas & electric only were approx £900, the estimated for this year is £1800 (based on my last 3 years useage).



That's not to mention the cost of everything, council tax, food, petrol etc. increasing all the time.



The cost of living here is astronomical now, and fortunately for me I don't have a mortgage to pay.



Yes, there are problems everywhere but look on the bright side, at least you have sunshine!

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
10/01/2012 22:18

msg 39 Not sunshine all the time the past month while there we had cold, thunderstorms and lots of rain!

taysidegirl


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Posts: 40

Message Posted:
10/01/2012 23:00

ah but i'm on the east coast of Scotland - we have beautiful beaches, but the wind!!!!



it is truly bitter! I don't mind rain or storms, it's the wind that is dreadful.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
12/01/2012 22:07

"My point is if a Turkish company is prepared to invest 7.5 million in NC, it is all for the good"



Really? Some on the island might disagree. Get to know the politics of the island and history. It really is interesting. Here's a beginning.



http://your-story.org/north-cyprus-economic-measures-assist-in-turkish-cypriot-extermination-299758/

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
12/01/2012 22:18

taysidegirl can soon relocate to Scotland, as they will soon be seperate from the UK she sounds just like rowlo with another ID

Jonholmes


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Message Posted:
12/01/2012 23:26

Taysidegirl, I asked advice on this very forum about working for a summer season, And was told similar advice as you got , but I took it .Maybe if you need to work look at somewhere like Paphos , I worked there for a season and there were (seemed) more Brits than than Cypriots.LOL,we did not need any permits to work and the weather was great .

Bradus


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Message Posted:
12/01/2012 23:27

Glad it worked out for you message 44.

cyprusman3



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Message Posted:
13/01/2012 13:44

msg 38 yes i am building to rent

cyprusman3



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Message Posted:
13/01/2012 13:58

msg 42 Bradus, may I reiterate my previous message no 36 ?



Nothing can stop the reality, all we can do is accept and move on in any way we can !!

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
13/01/2012 14:01

It is not just th TR but others on the band wagon I google translated a article for you below



Journal of the Jewish calendar, according to the news business, set up front companies in TRNC through some of the lawyers, attempted to collect the land. Villas were built in every place, especially Karpaz

Updated: 12 January 2012 12:37

According to the news, "Cyprus Çıkarması" The Israeli government is prepared to, first Jewish businessmen gave financial support. Government officials, "the TRNC and Turkey's southern coast close to the land gather," he said.



MOST PRECIOUS AREA



Upon this plan of Jewish businessmen in the region over the lawyers entered the picture. Businessmen, lawyers through the labyrinth of front companies set up some of the TRNC in the island's most precious lands subdivided. Especially Büyükkonuk, Garden, Freshwater, Karpas, Dipkarpaz, Yenierenköy and learned Sadrazamköy kalmadığı land areas. These areas were established from the estat

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
13/01/2012 14:04

estates luxury sites. However, this co-operation on the island, fell documents revealed.



NOT SUITABLE FOR LAW



The lawyer, former TRNC President of the Bar Association must notPeace, Israeli businessmen, the co-operation on the island, someof their colleagues deciphered. One must not, said: "Israel, the Jewish businessmen in the TRNC and TRNC lawyers, with the cooperation of the soil is formed. 6 of my colleagues in this business. In fact, there are 30 companies for a lawyer. This is a verylarge number of land sales took place through the lawyer." On the other hand, according to the laws of TRNC land a foreigner can receive a maximum of 2 acres or 1 dwelling.



RABBI APPOINTED TRNC



Step by step plan which commissioned Land of Israel, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Lapta sanctuary in the town turned a luxury villa. The rabbi was appointed to a Sinegoga. Synagoguedoor "This is the correct address of the Jews" were hanged assignboards in Hebrew.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
13/01/2012 14:26

I'm not sure that the article has translated well. Straightforward question:



Why is the island full of empty unsold buildings and under occupied hotels? Given that the market is stagnant why build more, especially in the Karpas!



The problem in the TRNC is that there is a massive level of oversupply and properties for sale which are often overpriced and suffering from falling values. The extremely negative LONG TERM press coverage, widespread government corruption on every level and rock-bottom transactions warrants that they address these issues rather than add to them, if the market is to improve.



Why are alarm bells ringing with the news of Israel investing? Oh I know the last time they invested buyers were left with a 2 million mortgage on their properties.



Good investment.........................but for who?

Sandford


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Message Posted:
13/01/2012 14:28

Taysidegirl, msg 39



I couldn't agree more and my point exactly in another similar thread.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
13/01/2012 14:42

Also lets face it.......................the Israelis are no strangers to investing in stolen land.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
13/01/2012 14:47

Bradus; Does that include the sea as well?

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
13/01/2012 18:09

Taysidegirl



Re msg 39



My electricity bills here in the TRNC average almost £100 per month. I top up my gas tank 3 times a year at a cost of approx £800. My water bills average around £20 per month. Utilities here are very expensive and electric is due to go up 35%, yes 35% this year !! We travel back to the UK on a regular basis and always think how cheap the food is when walking around the shops.



OK we don't pay council tax, but then again, apart from having our bins emptied, we get very little from the Belediyesi. Street lighting is poor and the state of the roads/streets is very bad in places.



But the sun shines so it is not all bad.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
14/01/2012 18:18

mxg43, trncvictim , you stalking me ?