The actions of the forum admin are tantamount to censorship

Breamli


Joined: 02/01/2011
Posts: 28

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 14:59

In http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/83103.asp Harold writes "the moderators have no special instructions to protect anyone, whether they advertise on here or not."

However. let's be honest Harold - you know that's not the case - you and the other forum admin have no qualms about accepting criticism of virtually anyone, except for when it's about a certain estate agent/school owner.

We members know this forum to be the most widely-used and informative forum for the KKTC - indeed probably it is the most-read of any "media" for the British, resident here in KKTC. Therefore it is unfortunate that the forum admin abuse their responsibility and agree to what is tantamount to censorship - Closing and even removing threads (only about certain individuals) can not be construed in any other way.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 15:10

Oooooooooh eck, I feel a ban on its way .....

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 15:11

When you join a forum you read the rules,and adhere to them.



2 of the rules are:

Be Polite.

Respect the Forum Administers.



The recent banned member did not adhere to either



If you cannot adhere to the rules,don't join or post



Mike

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 15:13

Gladys,I had the same feeling when Marcus started his ranting.



It's a question of "give'em enough rope........"





Mike

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 15:21

I have never had any dealings with Unwins but for those who have and who feel they have been treated unfairly/unjustly then would it not be better to sort it out privately with the people concerned. This forum, as any other, has to have some basic rules, slander and libel cannot be allowed, that is for everyones protection, and no matter how many posts under however many titles are put on here they will be dealt with according to the rules of the forum. If you feel unable to comply with those rules then of course you are at liberty to refrain from posting but if you choose to carry on then the rules will eventually be enforced and you will be banned from posting, in that case you will have achieved nothing.

If you have an axe to grind then do it in the proper manner instead of just raking over the same old accusations and insinuations which may or may not have any truth to them.

beachsidebum


Joined: 02/03/2010
Posts: 425

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 15:25

Well said Hattikins, abide by the rules or face the wrath of the administrators.

stevo-london


Joined: 23/10/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 15:37

Careful breamli marcusharris with no warning in any means got a 10 year ban!!! If thats what he got for helping people god knows what agents should really get...



Careful mark smith got ban quick aswell as it didnt suit certain powers around here....



Found it weird that alsancakjack kept picking on him... Guess people stick & listen to each other friends opinions rather then looking @ facts.



Can someone hoestly tell me if what marcusharris wrote was that bad to be given a 10 year ban???

stevo-london


Joined: 23/10/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 15:41

Have u read the thread...



An old couple who lost everything



http://www.johnpattison.co.uk/



And the link.... Once u read this close ur eyes & put yourself in there place only for a second...



Now tell me shouldnt certain agents be shamed on this site to HELP people?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 15:49

hattikins,



I agree, people should remember that the right to free speech is a qualified one. No one has the right to take away a persons good name without real cause and a subjective opinion is not proof in any court of law ! If a newspaper printed some of the allegations made on this forum, without proof of their truthfulness, they would be sued and substantial damages would probably be awarded . The only defense would be that what was printed was the truth and , no one can expect the owners of this forum to rule on that ! One must also remember that sharp business practices do not necessarily, constitute unlawful acts !

stevo-london


Joined: 23/10/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 15:55

Just so people know that by law in the TRNC no lawyer under any act can sue cyp44 reason cyber law does not exist... Asked 4 seperate lawyers due to a personel reason.



So excuses that ppl might sue is wrong... If false accusations are made which happens all the time on here then the accused should defend his or her self... But the admins do what suit themselves ....

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 16:06

Can we have some positive stories from people who have been genuinely happy with the unwin experience?, people who do not work for him!!!

metininkibris


Joined: 12/12/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 16:08

mods and admin act to protect izzets income not the interests of the members who by the way can never leave or if banned remove their details ! imho

stevo-london


Joined: 23/10/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 16:11

Then its all about the money

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 16:15

So what bad experience have you had with Unwins Breamli...... errr sorry,.... Stevo-london !

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 17:01

Seems to be a lot of threads on this forum by the same people who are adopting multiple identities and Sh*t stirring ! Mods, please act !

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 17:05

Come on DC, you can usually spot a double ID, any ideas on this one, an old friend from the past maybe?

stevo-london


Joined: 23/10/2010
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 17:17

LoL would love double identity 2 b proved... Of will my account be deleted without proof

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 17:57

Msg 11, I contacted 8 different TRNC Estate agents in November 2009 giving them a criteria of what we wanted to see when we came over in Dec 2009, they all promised to show me what I had asked to see which was only "new build completed properties" to certain requirements, no building sites, no plans and no photographs. 5 of the Estate agents obviously could not read and immediately sent me emails with off plan information, photos of building sites, site drawings etc these agents were immediately dismissed as they could not read my simple instructions.

When we arrived there was only 3 of the estate agents left which had sent us some details of what we had asked to see within the set criteria unfortunately the quality of properties shown by two of them was poor or not what we had specified.

Unwin's however showed us several properties within the set criteria, we had no problems with the builder (Fikri Terkan) PTP was obtained Nov 2010 and shared Kochan obtained Dec 2011.

No problems.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 18:00

TheSaints,



Glad it worked out for you ! Pity the same can't be said for others !

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 18:14

EamonnMc, your message 19.



I think The Saints was responding to Ed's message No. 11. We, too, bought through Unwins with no problems, in 2005, having bought off plan.



You can only speak as you find and of course it's a pity that it didn't work out for everyone. Just a point, your over-use of the exclamation mark tends to make your comments sound very aggressive.



Just an observation, you understand.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 18:20

Jeannie.



Surely, the substance of comments should be the only thing that you judge and take cognizance of ? However I do admit to having certain faults !! The second exclamation mark was just for you ! Oops sorry about that ! Lol.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 18:54

Eamonn, message 21.



!!!!!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 18:57

Msg 22,



Cheers, Jeannie...I think Mikelapta has caught the bug also. Lol.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 19:07

Stevo. How do you find out who is banned and for how long? have I missed the information on here?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 19:14

Woodspeckie, msg 24,



Good question !

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 19:18

It says so on their profiles. Simply click on the name on the left of any post and their profile will come up.

ismet

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 19:28

I can't see where it says they are banned ?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 19:32

turtle,

If you click on your name on the left in the above post you will see this. http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/show-member.asp?member=Turtle

And that shows that you are not banned, otherwisw there would be a remark to that effect in red.

ismet

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 19:44

Sorry to be a bit thick ismet but just tried that on a few supposed banned members but it just shows it the same as mine and not in red ,.... confused .com ?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 19:46

Turtle,

I am sorry about that. As a moderator myself, perhaps the page reveals more to me than the ordinary members. sorry.

ismet

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 19:49

So how can Stevo know who is banned and for how long, is he going to answer?

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 19:49

We also bought through Unwins and our builders were Kavanlar so fortunately for us we experienced only time delays with our build. We decided to sent our stage payments directly through our advocate because this seemed like the most sensible option.



I think the problems do arise in the main do to the builder not following through their obligations but if the agent knowingly direct you into the direction of these rogues just so that they can earn their commission what are folk supposed to think.



I have met both the Unwins and can say hand on heart that i would trust neither of them as far as i could throw them.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 19:57

Thanks ismet,.... thought I was going mad

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 20:04

Woodspeckie

Re message 31

That information is only available to Forum Admin and there can only be one or two reasons how Stevo knows and I am sure you have already worked out what those 2 options are.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 20:10

cooper (mess 32)



your last paragraph made me smile!

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 21:17

Dave, message 34, so, if he's not a moderator.............................................................

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 22:48

Jeannie. If he's not a moderator me thinks stevo-london must be MarcusHarris and Mark Smith!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 23:01

Stevo

"cyber law does not exist"

It does not need to - the laws that do exist are the slander and libel laws and the fact that you choose this medium is legally irrelevant. If somebody's name or business is damaged by a statement that you can't prove to be true you'd better be ready to go to court and lose.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
08/01/2012 23:43

Also stevo this forum is hosted on a UK server. The company that runs this server and sells hosting as a service on it is liable for any defamation made on it, if they are informed about it and yet do not act and the material in question is defamatory. That is the defamed could sue in the UK courts the company that this forum runs on if it notifies them of defamation and they do not act. The company that runs this server knows this so the forum owner (not the same company as the company that hosts it) allowing defamation here could easily lead to the closure of this forum. Thus its pretty sensible to not allow defamation or potential defamation I think.



@metininkibris msg12. For someone who has spent so much time and effort joining this forum under so many different names it is strange to me that you are so obsessed with the inability to leave it ;)

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 01:35

Erolz, Msg 39.



Your last sentence is priceless, lol.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 03:47

EamonnMc, for witty put downs of multi ID forum users there is erolz. For everything else their is mastercard

metininkibris


Joined: 12/12/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 09:26

Message 41 your witty input is as always valued however when you joined the forum there was no indication that you could never leave or any personal information/ photo you put on your profile could not be removed should you have your ability to post removed / suspended for whatever spurious reason, as have a number of members.



However this takes the thread off topic and that is not something I am comfortable with . no more on that subject back to the Message 41 and their actions or lack of them ..



Has any one ever had any money returned from any conwins company that they believe should have been refunded ?

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/01/2012 09:47

I know of one who has had their money returned. I know of another case under review at this moment. As it is not me, I cannot name names although I do know who they are.



My Agent was Lewis Estates and their salesman Carl Clark-Derby. I still have the glossy card sent to me by Lewis Estates via their advert in the Mail on Sunday making false claims. Lewis Estates are defunct.