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RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
30/01/2012 23:54

The post concerning Festival 11 has turned into a farce, fuelled by one particular posted whose motive is unclear.



A meeting was held on Friday at Cheshire Home. Why has no statement so far been given ?

Marion


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 00:43

A press release is being prepared and I am hoping to get it to go to press with it this week. Not sure whether the Press Release contains answers we are all waiting to hear, but just a little more patience.



I am sure most decent people just want honest answers after this long wait. And the reason it is taking a while since Friday is because of the week-end in between.



I suggest that the post that was started should now be ignored and wait for more positive news.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 01:01

I agree but the Cheshire Home statement was going to be last Wednesday. Which became Friday ...which has now become ''soon''.



All this does is give more time for speculation. A lot of people gave a lot of money in good faith and all this beating around the bush serves no one. It has brought each and every one who had anything to do with the organisation of Festival 11 into disrepute.



For goodness sake, not to even disclose raffle prize winners 4 months after the event ? Do they think we are all completely stupid ?

Marion


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 01:20

wow. I did not know about the Raffle Prize winners. I will ask further about that one.



I know how you feel about delays, but I had a phone call today to say that the home was preparing a Press Release and that as far as my informant knew, the figures such are as known, are listed. I have asked for a copy of that tomorrow, but it has to be approved by the committee of the home. I particularly want to be able to use it for The Star this week, because, like you, I am getting a little impatient at the delays, but I DO understand them.

so certainly there will be a statement this week, but I (selfishly) need it tomorrow to be able to use it for this week.

Hope that helps. But tell me more about the raffle prize winners. I assume that the winners have their prizes???????????????

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 01:25

Marion, who knows re the raffle prizes. There were two flight tickets to be won. Who got them is anyones guess. There were collection buckets being passed around at all the events. Who has the figure for the amount they raised ? After 4 months......

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 02:31

Maybe ,there was a hole in the bucket, dear Liza ! lol.

Marion


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 11:22

am enquiring about the raffle prizes,but have drawn a blank so far. Maybe it is only Richard and Hal who know, but I am sure they will be asked. As to the buckets, there are stories of the figures raised, and also stories that this went towards expenses for the Festival. That is one of the reasons why it is taking so long to come up with the true figures as they are being investigated in depth.



As to Eamonn - maybe more than one hole, but too late to mend, dear Liza.

paddywack


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 11:42

Unless a statement is made soon,I fear it will destroy the credibility of Cheshire Homes

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 11:45

And I fear we all know what sort of statement they are going to make.......

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 14:47

I have just been contacted by someone who says they have breaking news re The Cheshire Home.



Does anyone know if Cheshire Home have released a statement ? Thanks

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 15:01

I hope any statement made is Not a fudge. If it is, further damage to the charity will be caused.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 15:05

I hope the statement reveals how much money Cheshire Home has received. Anything less than that will be unacceptable.

elkiton



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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 15:20

Hi,Thank you for your patience.This is not a formal press release.

Last Friday,as Spokesperson for the (still functioning) Festival-11 Committee,in conjunction with Cheshire Home I chaired a meeting with Hal Crompton,Richard Currie and their financial advisor (qualified chartered accountant).The objective was to review and signoff the Festival finances,declare and present monies to the Home, and disband the Committee.

Unfortunately I do not consider that we yet have an accurate and complete statement of accounts,neither are we in a position to make meaningful comment.We are meeting with Cheshire Home regularly and I have also taken note of your questions posted here e.g. the whereabouts of the prize of air tickets, attendance figures etc etc..

We hope by the end of the week to be in a position to make an announcement including details of figures for which I know you are all waiting.Finally,my end of project report will clarify aspects of Mr.Currie/Crompton's published letter.

Tony

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 15:32

Tony,



Thanks for the update and here's hoping a full and comprehensive statement is forthcoming, sooner rather than later.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 16:22

Thanks Tony for the update but like all the information about this money, the statement that,



''there is not a complete and accurate statement of accounts'' is blindingly obvious.



So please tell us what funds are actually left in the pot ? Because its unlikely there will ever be a complete and accurate figure .



I am now beginning to think that this delay in giving information is because Cheshire Home have actually taken a loss. Someone from the Cheshire Home needs to come clean about this. And I agree with the previous post, sooner rather than later.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 18:46

How hard is it for a raffle

you buy a number

they draw it

you win



I have seen threads from other people annoucing winners

on this forum

selpak


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 19:02

elkiton



Would it also be possible to find out who or which company printed the ticket's as it then maybe possible to find out exactly how many ticket's got printed as im sure they only need to look back through their receipt book. It is said by some that they ran out of ticket's.



Thanks in anticipation !

Marion


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 19:09

selpak - someone is working on that this very day. I am glad that an official statement has been made, but cheshire Home have said they will issue one, but they are still pondering as it has to be approved by all their committee who are never all together on any one day. I have been trying hard to get some pronouncement to write, but we are all having to wait until everything is sorted. I must say that this exerc ise is certainly one to teach us allpatience. I for one an impatient to learn results, and am not good at learning patience . How about you?

selpak


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 19:48

Hi again elkiton



Would the statement that you will be releasing be from Cheshire home or from yourself and Char lie 1 and char lie 2 and who ever is still left of the committee,just out of curiosity how many people are involved with the Festival-11 Committee in total and who are they?

Would we as donors to this charity function have the right to know who this (qualified chartered accountant) is? And if not why?

Thank you in anticipation !

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 20:32

Re the Cheshire Home. They arenall together on the same day ? That is complete nonsense. This is a huge amount of money we are talking about here.



Re message 17 there are copies of tickets that were printed and sold that were not official KDV registered tickets.



Who would have any record of those ?

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 20:34

Re the Cheshire Home. They are not all together on the same day ? That is complete nonsense. This is a huge amount of money we are talking about here.







Re message 17 there are copies of tickets that were printed and sold that were not official KDV registered tickets.







Who would have any record of those ? Sorry for duplicate post but there is no edit button.

selpak


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 20:36

elkiton.



I'm so sorry,im sure you know how i feel,the older i get the worse my memory gets and im sure this cold weather is not helping either!

you say (.The objective was to review and signoff the Festival finances,declare and present monies to the Home, and disband the Committee. )



Are you saying that Cheshire home still has not been presented with any monies as of yet from the festival? and if not who is holding the money that was raised from this festival and concert at present,and if not in the bank account of Cheshire home who's bank account is the money in and who are the signature's on that account and what would the name of that account be and with which bank ?



Thanking you in anticipation !

JohhnyLee


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 20:38

Selpak Accountant , chartered or otherwise means nothing.



In the UK I have one of the best accountants money can buy. I pay him and he works for me, His job is to save my skin. (But with the Taxman of course.)



What is needed is an independent audit.



If I was in that situation I could pay my accountant to produce figures to suit my need's.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 20:42

That is exactly what I was wondering.



There must have been a dedicated Cheshire Home bank account into which all funds were paid, needing at least 2 signatures to release funds . One of whom would obviously been a member of The Cheshire Home commitee. Maybe the Festival 11 accountant can confirm this ?

selpak


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 20:42

RadioAngel



If the ticket's did not have an official round kind of circle imprinted on the ticket's,does that mean that the government was dwindled out of their KDV per ticket sold?



If that is correct then i also believe that an government office should be contacted with view to this or if selling ticket's for an charity event no KDV or taxes are paid ?

selpak


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 20:47

Johnny lee

You may be able to pay your accountant to produce number's to save your skin,if you was that way inclined, but Cheshire home are not going to lie to save the face of 2 festival committee member's if they smell a nasty pair of sock's!

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 20:49

Do we know who their accountant is ? As he is acting in a professional capacity I presume he is Turkish Cypriot and registered with the relevant authority here.

periwinkle


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 20:52

I do know a member of Cheshire Homes who lives in the old quarter, I could knock on his door and ask him who is the Accountant?

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 20:53

No one is suggesting an accountant would lie. But he who pays the piper calls the tune.



No one wants to see The Cheshire Home lose credibility over this but a lot of people have contacted me off forum and they want answers not excuses.

selpak


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 21:00

It is not the accountant of Cheshire home that i am asking about,it is not Cheshire home that we are questioning .



elkinton said (,in conjunction with Cheshire Home I chaired a meeting with Hal Crompton,Richard Currie and their financial advisor (qualified chartered accountant) )



so who is (THEIR) the financial advisor of pinkie and perkier !

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 21:18

I think to be fair we are talking about the accountant assigned to the whole Festival 11 commitee, not jusr two people. Its encouraging to know that they have an official accountant, in from the start, monitoring and controlling all payments in and out. Did he waive his professional fee or was this one of the costs ?

selpak


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 21:24

I like the idea of having a personal financial advisor if i am an charity collector !



Who is the whole festival 11 committee and where they present at this meeting elkinton chaired with the two ronnies !

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 21:35

Good question. Does anyone know who exactly was on the commitee ? Surely to goodness someone from Cheshire Home can post this information at least .

selpak


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 21:41

I am hoping it is not just 5 people on the festival committee,that being the 2 rons their good wife's and elkinton !



Maybe the question we should be asking is



Who other than the actual Cheshire home charity founders and directors are on the newly formed festival 11 committee !

Karmels


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 21:43

Del boy sound more correct.

ranger5


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 22:04

Memo to Cheshire Homes. ``This is not going to go away``. (or be swept under the carpet)!!

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 22:12

I see Marion is online. Does she know exactly who is on the Festival 11 committee ? When I did the first BRT Festival 11 interview there was Richard Currie, Hal Compton and Claire Morley representing the committee. I also again interviewed Richard Currie with a lady who was organising the concerts at Bellapais Abbey as part of the Festival. Does any one know how much those concerts raised ? I heard they were well attended.

Marion


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 22:21

At the moment I am trying to write my page of Musings this week giving what I know - which is not a lot. In addition to the names given there was tony elkin who was project manager and who is now involved in the final sorting. Sue mulcock, Canon Riders daughter was involved but she is a swallow. Sue joined the team because her father was a founder member of the Home, plus there were a couple of other people I met - but you will notice that Richard and Hal refer to them as a 'team' whereas all thought they were committee. I do not know (off hand) who the lady was involved with the Bellapais concert and I also believe there were some 'franchised' events, namely put on by others but with 20% going to the Home. So you can see already how complicated it was. The Chapterhouse Theatre group was involved in success and failure in the same measure (with cancellation of events) and putting all this together is taking time. HYou WILLL all be given figures , so i am told but it won't be now.

Marion


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 22:23

however, in one sense it does not matter at this stage who the people were involved -very much a separate 'committee' to the Cheshire home committee itself - but what does matter is that the facts and figures are given. As they say as a throwaway line - 'It's complicated' and thhe more I hear and don't hear, the more complicated it appears to be hence, and consequently the more time to unravel all the paperwork.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 22:33

Forget the paperwork. Three simple questions



1) Have Cheshire Home been so far given any money from Festival 11 ?



2) If not where is the money raised by Festival 11 being held ?



3) If in a bank account ,in whose name is the account held ?



Really easy questions that dont need a committee/ team meeting to answer.

babyheritage


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 22:47

Yes I know a Cypriot gentleman who attended the meetings with Richard at Cheshire Homes, what is it you want me to ask him?

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 22:57

re message 41. Where is the money might be a good start.

Marion


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 22:58

I think you must all wait, as I am, for tony elkins and Cheshire Home to tell you what they know when they have finished the paperwork. the questions tha t you ask, Denise, are currently confidential and the business of the home, and whilst we all want to know the final result of monies, I don't think we can demand to know answers to those questions. and it is not really right and proper to ask any one who attended the meetings to speak without reference back to the Home. I know the people who attended the meetings, and I have asked the Home for a statement, which they assure me will be given very very soon. One must also remember that many people had a wonderful night out at the amphitheatre which they want repeated, and it would be good if that could happen. But finally, the only people who can or should answer any of these questions are those officially connected with the Home or the 'team; of festival 11.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 23:05

When money is raised for Charity there is a legal requisite to publish within a reasonable time, what funds were collected. There is also a moral requirement to honour the fact that people gave money to raise funds for the Cheshire Home. Th fact that it was a good concert or not is not part of the equation. This was not a business venture and as such must be completely transparent. Raffle prize winners ticket numbers for instance have to be published in the newspaper and held for a specified time. There are laws that govern all of this.

selpak


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 23:14

Does anyone have a video of the concert or some good clear still photos which was taken when the venue was full,it is not hard to make a head count from photos.

I know there was plenty of people there with cameras.

Marion


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 23:25

Agreed Denise, and that is what is being worked on. Please also remember that the Festival was more than one event, several of which got cancelled, or......................well, end result is not quite what was hoped, and Yes, they MUST publish, but they will not do that until they are certain that the figures are correct. As to the raffle tickets, well, I want to know if anyone out there actually can tell they won! that would be a good start. The concert to which message 45 refers was indeed full, but one of the Shakespeare productions was cancelled, and another had an audience of 1 - so no profit there! And there is a lot more to it all, so as I say, they WILL be published, but obviously not today. such a shame this has all gone so very pear shaped.

selpak


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 23:32

A pear can have many slices but some want all of the slices.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 23:47

I believe it would be inappropriate, counter productive and unfair to all parties for the Cheshire Homes Committee to issue a statement containing financial information until they are in possession of all the facts and paperwork, and have had time to consider them, which does not appear to be the case yet. However I gather they are considering an Interim Statement by way of a Press Release.



The Committee of Cheshire Homes and all but four of its workers are volunteers who give freely of a lot of time and often their own money to help people less fortunate. They are working very hard and spending a lot of time to resolve the current problems and are under a great deal of pressure. Please do not harrass individual members. continued............................



They are dependent on public donations and goodwill and are very aware of their responsibilities. Plese give them a chance.



At the end of the day the suff



Cheshire Homes is completely

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
31/01/2012 23:55

continued



Please bear in mind that at the end of the day the people who will really suffer real from ill informed comment and ill will are the clients of Cheshire Homes who depend on the day care and other facilities provided - and they include some very seriously handicapped people.



A friend of Cheshire Homes

selpak


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 00:05

With all due respect bizzilizzi we just would like to know if our money has gone to where we wished it to go or has it ended up in some curry house!

No one here is trying to hurt Cheshire home.



We seemed to have been very patient,do you not think so!

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 00:37

Selpak



I am sure you arent trying to hurt Cheshire Homes, but mud sticks and some of the comments are really unhelpful.



I know it has been a long time and no one regrets that more than the Committee of Cheshire Homes who are managing a valuable service on a shoestring and were in need of the money they had been led to expect.



But surely it is better to wait a little longer and get a true picture than have it bit by bit, and possibly misleading. As I said, already overworked Committe members are really working very hard on it.



Cheshire Homes is a respected and respectable institution and produces audited accounts and reports and holds General Meeting as registered Charities are reuired to do.



Their premises are also accessible to the public and they have frequently issued invitations in the past

to people to visit and see and discuss their work. Now may not be the right time as they are already under presssure but I hope when all this is sorted more people contd.....

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 00:42

will show an interest in the excellent work they do and be inspired to get involved. Particularly as the British Community , which was co-founder of the North Cyprus Cheshire Homes, is currently under represented on the Committe and as volunteers.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 00:53

Cheshire Home deserves nothing less than to get every penny that was raised for them. However by not issuing a statement saying what funds they have received from Festival 11 they are leaving the door open for innuendo and speculation. This is what is harming their reputation.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 00:56

Are there paid members of this charity ?

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 01:01

Post 48 say there are 4 paid workers.

selpak


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 01:18

post 48 only says (The Committee of Cheshire Homes and all but four of its workers are volunteers)



There are always some paid workers in a charity,that is not the issue here.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 02:01

Radio Angel : It would raise more (and more justified) speculation if Cheshire Homes went off "half-cocked" and published figures before they have completed the accounting procedure and unfortunately the timescale is beyond their control. Innuendo at this just harmful in any case.



Selpak you are right this is not the issue. I raised the point to demonstrate that this thread is causing distress to people who are not just innocent but gving a lot for the benefit of others. As far as I know (my info on this point may be out of date) the paid staff are a cleaner/cook, a gardener/handiman , a qualified physiotherapist and a Secretary/Administrator. The "members" ie members of the Committee and volunteer helpers are not only unpaid but do not receive exepenses which are sometimes considerable and are met out of their own pockets.



I amspeaking only about the Kyrenia Home - the situation with Cheshire Homes International is different.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 10:35

re message 56, post 48 clearly states the Committee of Cheshire Home not the committee of Festival 11 has 4 paid workers, to her knowledge. That there are paid workers at Cheshire Home is not an issue. Of course people must be employed to run it.

babyheritage


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 10:41

I always had some strange thoughts and comments from others about Cheshire Homes REHAB. “Charity”. There were never many cars in the car park ie patients. It was not clean inside. Ants all over the open sugar bowls, one toilet didn’t flush, cockroach in the kitchen, dirty floors. The equipment never seemed to be updated. One room used for art and craft hobbies. One lady said she organised charity events and was not going to give cash to Richard but go and pay for the equipment they needed, Richard was fuming.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 10:47

I have been a long term visitor to the Karakum Special Needs School for nearly 18 years. They say they never want money but equipment. No committee no expenses, just gifts of what ever they need.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 17:13

Baby Heritage:



The most important clients who benefit so much from the Day Centre do not have cars, even if they could afford them they are physically uncapable of driving even a specially adapted vehicle or even getting into a car as a passenger. They are collected and taken home by a specially adapted "mobility ambulance" with a wheelchair hoist - this is expensive (and recently a very old and unreliable vehicle had to be replaced hence the needs for extra funds) but it essential



The "Arts and Crafts" are part of the Centre's Occupational Therapy programme.



I have visited the Centre regularly over a number of years , looked in kitchen cupboards, shared meals with the clients, cleared up after the serving of meals for up to a hundred people, used the toilets,and have never seen it other than admirably clean. The Centre uses the same water supply as the rest of the country and it is possible toilets occasional due not flush because of lack of water.!!!

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 17:20

I have never seen a cockroach or an ant there - which is more than I can say of my own home



Some of the equipmnet may be old - as I keep trying to explain the Home is dependent on public support and just cannot afford everything it needs.



I suggest next time you visit you take a closer look at the loving care than is given to some very disadvantaged and needy people, and how happy they are made despite their disabilities.



A friend of Cheshire Homes

Cocklebay


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 17:30

Message 59 your comments are really stupid and irrelevant! Why do you need to knock the Cheshire Home. The issues on this thread are entirely about the fundraising activities. Please get a life, or wait until you have something sensible to say!!!!

mel7348


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 17:32

I have no strange thoughts and do not rely on comments from others. I visit the Rehab every week and have done so for some several months. I have never I repeat NEVER found anywhere inside the building including the toilets unclean, Never seen ants all over anything , yet to spy cockroach. The car park is used mainly by visitors as the majority of users are picked up and returned home by the large disability friendly bus. Wheelchairs and cars are not mutually compatable unlike the bus equipped with a wheelchair hoist. Having met Richard only a couple of times I have no comment as to his demeanour. PLEASE no not slag off a much valued facility, much valued by those of us that actually receive much needed help and support from Dr Ali and his team.

Cocklebay


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 17:35

Message 59 your comments are really stupid and irrelevant! Why do you need to knock the Cheshire Home. The issues on this thread are entirely about the fundraising activities. Please get a life, or wait until you have something sensible to say!!!!

And by the way they are not patients, perhaps you should be thinking client or service user. They have specific learning or physical disabilities, who have their quality of life much improved by the input of the Cheshire Home staff and some very committed volunteer workers.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 17:39

Radio Angel:

I have no knowledge of the status or funding of the Special Needs School. But if they do not need money and dont have volunteers , they must have a reliable source of regular income to pay salaried staff , not to mention paying for water, electricity, heating, maintenance and repairs etc.



Gifts of equipment ( provided you check first that the equipment is exactly what the Charity actually needs) are always welcome - but they are usually a "one off" and pointless if the Charity cant'd afford the electricity to run them, cost of maintaining it and in some cases training volunteers in its use.

cyprusjoker


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 18:07

If cheshire homes recieve 7000tl or whatever its gonna be then so be it, it's 7000tl they never had before so whats the problem, didn't everyone have a goodnight regardless. You paid your tenner you had a good night and a percentage went to a good cause whatever it maybe. Stop ya bitching for christ sake !

Marion


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 18:08

a couple of comments and a bit of an update which I hope might be useful.

1. The special needs school is a government run centre, whereas Cheshire Home is independent.

2. I have never seen anything amiss at the centre. They are dedicated, caring, selfless in their serving and the place would pass any British health and safety inspection.

3. Why is there are need to 'knock' the home when we are discussing some fund raising events that have turned into a Mystery story.

4. I have it on good authority that a meeting will take place tomorrow thursday at the Home with all inv olved, and that a Press Statement will be issued hopefully later that day. Of course, that will be of no benefit to The Star, but I will post it on the forum. But please give them time to get the press release worked on and issued. Just a bit more patience

Hope that helps.

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 18:43

Let us all wait for the statement from The Cheshire Home,as outlined by Marion, further comment is only speculation.

BizziLizzi


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Posts: 855

Message Posted:
01/02/2012 18:53

Radio Angel:

I have no knowledge of the status or funding of the Special Needs School. But if they do not need money and dont have volunteers , they must have a reliable source of regular income to pay salaried staff , not to mention paying for water, electricity, heating, maintenance and repairs etc.



Gifts of equipment ( provided you check first that the equipment is exactly what the Charity actually needs) are always welcome - but they are usually a "one off" and pointless if the Charity cant'd afford the electricity to run them, cost of maintaining it and in some cases training volunteers in its use.

tania


Joined: 09/12/2011
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
01/02/2012 18:54

Msg 69 - lets hope that your request id adhered to - although i unfortunately doubt it!

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
01/02/2012 19:18

Hi BizziLizzi



No one is saying that Cheshire Home don't do a fantastic job in difficult circumstances. It's their lack of a statement on Festival 11 that has lead to speculation, and this is no good for anyone.

horselover48


Joined: 09/09/2010
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
01/02/2012 19:19

Radioangel, am i correct in thinking that the investigation into alledgedly missing funds or shortfall of "festival 11" is being carried out by the committee members of the same ? surely independent people should be doing this ! Cyprusjoker, I totally agree that if the "CH" gets a money injection for their cause then great no matter the amount. What I cannot abide is that it seems certain people may have personally gained using a "charity" umberella. That surely is deception to all those who bought tickets,put cash in buckets,and bought raffle tickets in the thought that the money would go to help disabled children which we all would endorse to the maximum. This is beyond belief. The rumours I hear are alarming from ,newer cars, to extended holiday breaks, cosmetic surgery, and would you believe a new instrument being boasted about on another forum by a senior member. It all stinks and beggars belief. In the UK they would be linched but that may be the reason why they are in the TRNC.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 20:16

As said above speculation in advance of a statement is pointless and damaging.





Instead - and this is not specific to Cheshire Homes as I am sure many supporters of Charities everywhere will agree -



hy is the charitable instinct of 2lst century humanity linked to amusement? I am sure all genuine Charities would prefer to receive straight forward donations from caring people than have to divert valuable resources into entertaining people! I understand charities in the UK and the US and no doubt elsewhere actually have to pay professional public relations experts and fund raisers in order to get donations - which means they have to raise yet more money to pay those people - and we all know where vicious circles end!



In the TRNC most - probably all - charities do not even have that luxury. If they do not have the financial resources or expertise to do it themselves they have to rely on other volunteers to do that for them and such may have different motivations and agend

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 20:22

agendas (or agendae if you prefer) though be no means necessarily mercenary and ill intentioned

and may themselves lack sufficient expertise

horselover48


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Posts: 65

Message Posted:
01/02/2012 20:31

Message 74, or,of course, some less than honest people see a loophole in a system and decide to decieve lots of people for their own personal gain alledgedly. Surely if they've got it wrong and cocked up they should come forward and say "OOPs sorry this didnt work and we made a loss we are sorry". But they haven't, and they have been conspicuous by their absence.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
01/02/2012 23:17

message 75



5 for them,10 for me,5 for them,20 for me,10 for them,50 for me !!

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
01/02/2012 23:22

It could only happen in the TRNC.



The festival 11 committee are investigating there own losses or so it seems ! THE LOSS ADJUSTERS



Bloody great.



It would make a great stage play!

BizziLizzi


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Posts: 855

Message Posted:
01/02/2012 23:27

I apologise - yet agair, for the double posting.



Message 79 : I thought I made it clear my comments were general - As far as the Cheshire Homes Committe is concerned they were waiting for full facts were available to them being making a public statement - and it is public knowledge that they have held meetings to try to reach that stage My personal - repeat personal -view is that was the resposible thing to do and I think it is a shame - no a disgrace -that their hand appears to have been forced. I cannot comment on Festival 11 Committee.



Generally, none of us are perfect and and few have totally altruistic motives in supporting a Charity - perhaps all workers for charities should be more alert to hidden motives. The problem is there are so few volunteers there dont have a choice. As an example - and to avoid naming any local charities - a friend in the UK tells me that the work of the Charity he supports is actually hindered by people who volunteer so it looks cont

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
01/02/2012 23:35

good on their Curricula Vitae!!! The ones who do the real hard work are often not known because they are not looking for personal publicity or advancement.

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 00:12

Bizzi Lizzi you asked me not to comment further until there was a statement released tomorrow.



As a courtesy to you I did this. But you continue to post and post and post and in defence of the indefensible.

This is NOT ABOUT Cheshire Homes integrity which is without question. It is NOT ABOUT Charity in general. It is about FESTIVAL 11.



I just hope tomorrows statement in not a fudge and that the important information is release, that being , how much SO FAR have Cheshire Homes receieved from Festival 11 ?

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 00:21

The Loss adjuster's are still out at the moment !

Marion


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Message Posted:
02/02/2012 01:17

oH Radio angel - that is what we are all waiting to hear 'How much'. But I am sure we all realise that it is highly unlikely to be anything near what we had all hoped. All the meetings involved have obviously needed a lot of attention to detail. But the one thing I hope (and I have said it at the end of a long article I have done - which many people probably won't be bothered to read!) is that WHATEVER the financial result from Festival 11, that year 2012 willbe a good one for Cheshire Home and they will get all they need to continue to function and to function well to help those who desperatley need their help. It would be good also if some of the public who are not aware what the home is or what it does just took a trip to see for themselves. I know the staff will very graciously show anyone around who shows an interest.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
02/02/2012 01:23

Radio Angel: My last post was about Fund Raising for Charity in general which is a real headache for the organisers of any charitable concern and a matter of concern to anyone who has the real interest of any Charity and understanding of the problems.. Just a few of the posts on this thread are from people who show a genuine and unbiassed regard for this and I was hoping that one or more of them would respond with constructive comments and suggestions.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 02:03

BizziLizzi. I know a couple of chaps who love fund raising and can put up with the headaches,so if you are ever stuck give me , oh on second thought's,forget it !



All the constructive comments will arrive once we all know if CH got our hard earned bucks or was it one of the many curry houses !

mel7348


Joined: 01/02/2012
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 10:07

Having chaired a Voluntary/charity organisation for some years, am familiar with the problems re fundraising. If the organisation is trying to provide services not available through the authorities and the authorities eg Local Health Authority or Social Services agreed to fund a scheme they require professional monitoring and management be in place. The same applies to all European Social Fund Grants. The organisation management committee are all unpaid and rarely possess the skills required to comply with the above. Public fundraising depends on innovative and realistic events, time and dedication, neither of which incur monetary renumeration other than personal expenses. The TRNC have few if any of the above funders and relies on the honesty and integrity of anyone who offers to help in whatever capacity.