Cheshire Home press release today ????

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 17:35

The silence is deafening....again

elkiton



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Posts: 514

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 18:03

Following a meeting at the Cheshire Home today, a press statement was prepared and cleared for release.

As I informed a reporter outside the Home. "Cheshire Home will make any announcement, I have no additional comment at this time, other than to say that we are working together".

TonyE

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 18:15

To clarify matters by 'we' who do you mean ?



Or is this the the royal 'we' ?

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 18:23

elkinton.



In the other thread i asked many questions which are not rocket science and being in your position i feel can easily be answered but still no answers from you elkinton,now im getting curious why you have not responded to the questions or can you not answer them or told not to answer them!

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 18:25

Msg 2,



"Press statement was prepared and cleared for release ".....Why can't you release it here ?

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 18:28

Or to us at BRT ? No press release so far......and I am online and on air.

Tellis


Joined: 02/02/2012
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 18:30

May be being cynical, but if it is in the press, people will need to buy which ever paper it is in. Also, it is more difficult to reply to a newspaper than it is on a forum.

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 18:32

Forget the paperwork. Three simple questions . I asked them on the other thread. Anyone like me give me odds on any of them being answered ?







1) Have Cheshire Home been so far given any money from Festival 11 ?







2) If not where is the money raised by Festival 11 being held ?







3) If in a bank account ,in whose name is the account held ?







Really easy questions that dont need a committee/ team meeting to answer.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 18:35

You dont need to buy a newspaper to hear a press release on the radio......

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 18:38

Press Release available at http://news.satellitecyprus.com

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 18:41

So the 14th of feb now ?

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 18:46

elkinton.



As you seem to be the spokesperson for Cheshire home and the 2 Ronnies would you like to answer these questions from this thread please ?

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/84804.asp



messages,17. 19 . 22. 30. 32 . 34.

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 18:53

That is truly appalling and pretty obvious what is going on.

Marion


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Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 19:01

Cheshıre home – press release 02/02/2012

T he Commitee of Cheshire Home is working with all parties of the Festival-11 project to arrive at an auditable set of accounts. Thıs has taken longer than expected, but we are confident in completing this task by 14’th February.

Cheshire Home"



What more can I say?????????????

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 19:17

Well I think this is the last nail in the coffin for fund raising.



People will in future expect a much more open approach from those who readily give their names to be used for fund raising, without the slightest concern for the public who give their money in good faith, thinking that proper accounting procedures are, at even a most basic level, in place.



Cheshire Home has not released a statement. That is no comment and we know who normally responds to an open request for information in that manner. They have done themselves a huge disservice. I would also imagine this has now become an embarrassment to the Leonard Cheshire Disability in UK under whose banner they operate.



Where is the money !

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 19:28

Re: Msg 2,

"Cheshire Home will make any announcement..."



Sorry, what is it in English, please?



Cheshire Home will not make any announcement or

Cheshire Home will make an announcement?



Me understand it not!

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 19:39

It really makes me wonder who the actual individual was who plucked number 14 out of the air,well from tomorrow i shall have some very very eye opening questions that may well have far reaching implications and is sure to cause some red faces.



I do not feel that Cheshire home have been hard done by,i feel like i have been raped financially or gang banged financially by two men without masks,in my almost 70 years i have never experienced such a mess and bare faced lies day after day,it is like who is protecting who here.



My next step is to ask my lawyer if when i have given money to Cheshire home via their 2 collectors should i have received an receipt and if not and that money did not reach the destination which it was meant for CH,then does this amount to theft,if so i shall be making an complaint to girne police and asking for the culprits to be arrested for theft of my money.

I'm getting tired of these people who pretend to be pillars of the community but in reality are

MOR

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 19:40

nothing but common crooks of the lowest form.

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 19:48

This is exactly what not making a statement encourages people to think and do. I cant understand why Cheshire Home have let this carry on unless they are being manipulated.

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 19:55

Please do not let this whole saga bring C.H. into ill repute.



They will need our support in the future and I know that the Home itself is genuine.



I am not involved with them in any way also I could have a serious gripe with them.



BUT I now realise and know that the Chuckle Brothers only told them what they wanted them to know.



I wish all Dr Ali. and all the decent people on the team the very best of luck for the future.





I run abusiness in the UK. that turns over a fair amount of money.



We go back every qtr, to finalise VAT and Paye for the previous 13 weeks. My wife has the books done and in order normally within 2 working days , (and the figures are not on computer, she sits down and does it manually.)



Why 4 months ?

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 19:59

Will be nearly 5 months. This is a lesson in how to turn a mess into a disaster.

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:04

http://whois.domaintools.com/cyprusrehab.com please look and see who owns this domain name. The plot thickens.....

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:11

CyprusRehab.com - Kyrenia disabled Rehabilitation Centre ...whois.domaintools.com/cyprusrehab.com



The home page of the Kyrenia Rehabilitation Centre for the disabled in Girne, North Cyprus - the only Cheshire Home in the Middle East.



This is the official web site for Cheshire Homes. PLEASE LOOK AND SEE WHO OWNS THE SITE

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:13

This is Google's cache of http://www.cyprusrehab.com/. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 21 Jan 2012 06:56:35 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime. Learn more



Text-only version



i cannot open http://www.cyprusrehab.com

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:13

Registrant:

Hal Crompton



Registered through: Go Daddy

Domain Name: CYPRUSREHAB.COM



Domain servers in listed order:

NS05.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

NS06.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:22

And also 4 other sites....... http://www.cyprusrehab.com seems suddenly to have been disabled.....

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:24

seems to like collecting domains !



Registrant:

Hal Crompton



Registered through: Go Daddy

Domain Name: GIRNEFESTIVAL.COM



Domain servers in listed order:

NS67.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

NS68.DOMAINCONTROL.COM





For complete domain details go to:

http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?Domain=GIRNEFESTIVAL.COM

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:25

#DomainWhois Record

1C Current|3/20/2009|3/21/2010|3/21/2011

2C Current|12/13/2009|12/14/2010

3C Current|1/27/2010|7/22/2010|1/28/2011|1/24/2012



There are three more domains starting with C...........for Cyprus.......or

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:26

Seems like the Cheshire Home Committee are amateurs dealing with a couple of pros. Guess who will win out ?

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:26

last one registered on 24th January 2012...

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:29

EamonnMc please excuse the pun but I now think you are being charitable on that one! Were donations made through the website ?

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:32

And I am sorry we are not talking about a charity stall at a market. This is THE Cheshire Home not some cowboy outfit. Part of a world wide organisation and the only one in the Middle East. It is not an amateur organisation and is fully accountable.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:33

Excuse me, but some people seem to be doubting the genuineness of message 14. I posted it as a cut and paste from an e mail received from the Cheshire Home. The message was sent to me (as promised by them) at 12.45 today but I was out. As soon as I was back and opened my e mail and read it, I immediatley posted it. Seems that people are implying it is not genuine. I assure you that it is.

I realise this is not what any of us are expecting, ande I also realise that it is making people even MORE suspicious. Poor Cheshire Home are doing their best to wait for answers from the accountant Grahame Ash, and to protect their name. Seems they are not winning . Shame.

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:45

No one has respect for anyone who won't give a straight answers to a straight questions. Which is how much money have they had SO FAR ? Where is the money from Festival 11 lodged and was there a dedicated bank account for Festival 11 ? There is absolutely no honest answer as to why those questions cannot be answered.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:49

Are there no members of Chesire house

that are forum members ?

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:51

They would have been better off not making an interim statement...it's only muddied the water....as I said, amateurs, full of good intentions but still amateurs ,particularly when compared to the 2 fund raising professionals !

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:54

I cannot wait until tomorrow as I am looking for answers to questions that are bothering me.

Who helped Richard Currie and Hal Crompton in organising this concert, in that I mean expertise help,i am sure these 2 men know very little about organising a live rock concert,lighting,sound managers, stage erection,was he working with some management company?



If there was a management company involved who was it and what were the company’s costs.

Could just a few ticket’s have been printed with just the KDV circle on the ticket and then 1000s more without the KDV emblem ?could this be part of the problem ?



Oh, i have just had a phone call, Hal Crompton and Richard Currie where working with Twin Management on the festival11 concert I am told, is this true? Is the owner of twin management their close friend jonnie Hawkins?

Does anyone know Jonny Hawkins to ask him what his companies management fees where for the concert,



MORE TO FOLLOW

horselover48


Joined: 09/09/2010
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:54

Who was the Fest 11 project manager ???? Does anyone know ? Y'Know the one "what" overlooks everything to make sure all is going according to plan. To make sure things are not a loss or complete disaster ! perhaps he/she should also be accountable.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:54

maybe his time was free but the management company could have got paid, at least then we can know where some of the money was spent!

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 20:59

I believe Tony Elkiton see message 2 is the project manager for Festival 11

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:00

I have just tried to find Twin management website,it is closed down or i cannot access is,could some one else try it ?i was going to email them !



Twin Management http://www.twinmanagement.co.uk

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:01

message 40



So we will get no answers then !!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:02

This is all speculation now, we must wait until the 14th and hope that a full and comprehensive statement will be forthcoming. If the Charity hopes to regain the confidence of its benefactors, this is vital. There must be no fudge .

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:07

The 14th of which month

will be the question

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:07

Marion in message 15 I was saying that the statement amounted to ' no comment ' I was not doubting you or what Cheshire Home released. I have the utmost respect for you. However the wool has very clearly been pulled over a lot of eyes. I doubt now we will get anything other than fudge on Feb 14th or any other date. The damage has been done

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:08

EamonnMc.



The only way i see it that Cheshire home can gain confidence back from it's benefactors is to lie about the amount of money and say they have been donated 80 000 tl or a figure around that mark,the way i see it is that pinky and perkier may well get away with what ever has gone on,if as most of us suspect has gone on.



I feel Cheshire home may well bite the bullitt and say what we may wish to hear just to smooth everything over and bring back some credibility to there charity in north Cyprus,or am i thinking to deep !

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:11

EamonnMc you are so right. |But to Selpar, Phil Bailey and others, I think that only Tony Elkin can answer your questions. as to others on the Cheshire Home being on this Forum, there are others, but none (as far as I know) of the Executive and Disciplinary Committees of the Home. the only person who has any authority and capable of giving factual answers is Mr Elkin. But as I understand it, at the moment as the investigations are continuing, there is little that anyone can actually say. I had FULLY expected, as did many of you that the Press Release today from Cheshire Homes would give answers. But it is just a further waiting period. Maybe it is a good sign that a\ll will be revealed on St.Valentine's Day!!!!

Tellis


Joined: 02/02/2012
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:12

It would appear that all this speculation is not helping CH. Although people want answers, it is obvious that they will not be forthcoming until the people in charge are ready to produce said info'.

The posts requesting to get answers put on here etc. are proving futile and no matter how many are posted, and how many questions are asked, details will be given as and when the people involved want to do it.

It appears it is a case of waiting now until the 14th, see what happens and then wait again?

I saw a few weeks ago in Cyprus Today that the Bohemians were supposed to be coming back over in April.Were they being brought in by the same people? If not, I hope the people bringing them get all their 'demands / costs' sorted early doors

Marion


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Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:14

Referring back to Selpak and the question of receipts, every registered charity here is by law required to give receipts for money given. I know that Kemal Saracoglu for instance will insist on giving a receipt if you buy so much as one of their cards, when in reality the issuing of the receipt probably costs more than the money received. However, they are ALL , in my experience fastidious in giving receipts. Unfortunatley it seems that some of the v olunteers who offer to fund raise fall outside that legal requirement - or take a while to get the receipt from the organisaiton in question to hand on. that is why Cheshire Homes in their statement a couple of weeks back said ANY monies MUST BE GIVEN DIRECT TO THE HOME WHEN A RECEIPT WILLBE GIVEN. I feel one must respect that and realise it is a sign of their honesty and transparency.

mel7348


Joined: 01/02/2012
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:21

Ms21 Totally agree. Cheshire Homes is a genuine organisation and are very likely quite bewildered and hopelessly out of their depth having little experience of public fundraising on such a scale. The history and developement of the Rehab centre is a long and honourable one, evidence of which can be viewed in their foyer.

mel7348


Joined: 01/02/2012
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:21

We may never know if donations were solicited as the site(s) appear to have expired. According to Go

Daddy it only cost $7.99 for 1 yr registration. Conceivabley this may be a much wider problem than originally envisaged. Good luck with your enquiries Selpak

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:29

No one wishes to harm Cheshire home or their charity,but if there is wrong doing by some of their organisers and theft,then i wish to see these people punished.



I am sick and tired of people here pretending to be do gooders and in the end all they are is common thief's.



I have just asked an UK national newspaper to help me with this mess.



Lets see if they wish to pick up on the farce.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 21:53

Was twin management involved in the organisation of the festival 11 charity fiasco,some one must know?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 22:08

I think the time has come to press the "pause" button on this affair. Nothing of value will be learnt, I think, until the statement due on the 14th. There is a danger of the situation getting out of control and speculation, at this time, hurting innocent people who work tirelessly for a charity. If there is evidence ( or suspicion ) of wrongdoing , it must be brought out into the open and the guilty punished and the innocent vindicated. The Charity must be allowed to defend itself and their good work must be allowed to continue, unhindered. they know , by now, that all people want are honest answers.

charlie15


Joined: 23/04/2008
Posts: 131

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 22:11

What about the Sponsors of festival 11 events?



How did that work?

Did they donate money or just receive free publicity?

If they did donate money then did they receive a fatura?



We still haven't heard from ANYBODY who won a raffle prize!

If the airline involved in donating the prize were contacted surely they could provide the name of who won

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 22:19

I wonder if the mayor of girne is aware of all the problems?



He gave his backing to this festival,so i am told.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 22:22

Msg 55,



All legitimate questions that should be answered by the committee, but as I said in msg 54, I think we should wait until the statement on the 14th and depending on it's contents, then make our own judgements.

Tellis


Joined: 02/02/2012
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 22:25

Post 54 - agree. I think things have already started to get out of hand here with some appearing to have motives known to themselves re pushing for answers. It has been stated, answers will be given, 14th now, and for sure, no matter how many people here push, it will not be earlier.

So what was the airline? Surely selpak and radioangel with their info' would know!

Ronnie66


Joined: 12/04/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 22:36

Hello,



It has been some time since I have read or indeed involved myself in anything on Cyprus44. However, I was made aware of this thread on the board and felt that I had to comment!



I can say that Twin Managements involvement was to book the acts. We did this and made no money out of Festival 10 or Festival 11.



Those of you who know Richard Currie will also know that he and his wife Diane (and all the other volunteers from the Home) worked tiredlessly to make as much money as possible from this event for the Charity.



There were acts out with the 'Twin Management' umbrella who made incredably stupid demands, although, to what extent, I cannot comment. But what I can say is, anyone who would like to email me and discuss our involvement can do so. ronald.gray@gmail.com



Please be advised that I will not make further comments on this board regarding this subject, but will endeavour to answer email correspondance.



Best wishes



Ronnie Gray

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 22:50

Statement from Tony Elkin.

Why am I not answering your questions,and why the delay? The reason is that we are investigating a number of linked and complex transactions.Data is being obtained piecemeal,and we are assembling the jigsaw.I am not sure what you think will be achieved by attacking the Committee members who are working on your behalf.Trial by 44 board is unpleasant,adds stress to the proceedings and will certainly not advance the time to when we have the information you request.There is nothing sinister here,no fudge,no coverup.The investigation is ongoing,and we are all accountable to you for the money you have contributed to the Charity.Please wait patiently until the 14th, the final deadline agreed today when we will make a meaningful statement and present the figures in full.

TonyE

Tellis


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Posts: 41

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 22:51

post 59 - hopefully those intent on harassing can now contact you for answers.

excellent reply

kaiserphil


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Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 22:56

Msg 59 - Ronnie, good post.

Msg 60 - Well said Tony.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:03

So "Twin Management " made no money out of festival 10 and 11. Did they cover their costs and how much were they ? And of course, you cannot comment on the "stupid demands" made by acts and what they were. Why post at all ?

Am I wrong or will any email enquiries/answered be in strict confidence ? Smacks of " If I told you that, I'd have to kill you " kind of information.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:08

That old saying comes to mind

can't remember it all

but something about ?? baffling brains

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:11

Re message 58 posted by Tellis who joined the site today, NO ONE knows who won any of the prizes. Indeed Marion was not even aware they existed. That includes the airline tickets. If I knew I would have posted it. Do you know 'Tellis' ?



Re Tonys message 60 made after his earlier posting 2, its just silly. The questions that have been asked can be addressed easily but any honest person. No one has asked for a final figure. Just where is the money Festival money being held.



The committee is playing good cop bad cop, but we all know in that game they are all in reality on the same side.



My heart goes out to the Cheshire Home. They never stood a chance.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:14

Do you people not realise,anything to do with TRNC is either bent or a scam.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:15

As I said in Msg 54, it is time to wait until the 14th and hopefully all will be revealed by Tony and his committee . Maybe "twin management " can help clear the air with their input.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:20

A direct question to you TONY ELKITON. Where is money being held that was raised by Festval 11. ? Not how much. Just where. There is no reason on this earth that that can't be answered. In fact its a legal requirement for registered charities.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:25

And who are the account holders if the money is not in the possession of Cheshire home charity.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:25

EamonnMc why do you think all will be revealed on the 14 th ???? The last statement they made before this one said almost excatly the same....and the one before that !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:30

Selpak ,These questions will have to be answered one way or another. By delaying the truth they just add to the speculation. If a UK newspaper does get hold of this it will bring shame on everyone involved.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:33

Cheshire Homes are just one of many who have fallen victim of TRNC conmen.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:35

Because, in msg 60 we are promised the full financial facts and a meaningful statement by Tony from The Cheshire Home. I'll give him the benefit of any doubt until I know otherwise. It's only fair to do so.

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:37

Sorry, Msg 73 is in answer to msg. 70.

imposoliedus


Joined: 16/01/2012
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:38

is it possible for festival 11 not to be a charity , and might be only a buseness raising money for charities, and there for can take as much out of the pot they like and not have to tell you anything

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:41

Msg 73

How long are you prepared to give these people the benefit of the doubt,face it ,Cheshire homes and all the contributors to festival 11 have been taken to the cleaners.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:44

Msg 76,



You may well be right but time will tell.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 23:51

Msg 77

But how much time.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:01

Time has already told.

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:09

Msg 71,Do you not realise Selpak and yourself are the bloody speculation with your constant shit stirring.

Tony has said all will be revealed on the 14th so why don't you just bloody well wait?

Why is a 21 year old (allegedly) lass so interested?

Tellis


Joined: 02/02/2012
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:13

post 80 - was just going to mention that the 2 main protaginists joined within 6 days last month. Coincidence?

Dogs with a bone and wont let go

Patience is a virtue - you obviously have none!

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:19

Ah, Gooligan. 21`? Poetic license of the same kind as I employ when giving vital statistics. I know how old Radio Angel is but I am sure inside she is 21 - full of life, vibrant, sexy, and wanting the best in life. come to think of it, she is pretty much that on the outside as well.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:21

message 75



This is what i said in the other thread,but erolz ripped into me for suggesting this,they could be professional collectors or con men !



message 80



Is there really any need for dirty words,can you not express yourself without using such words!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:26

Msg 82,



Marion, it's radio isn't it not T.V. , so no pictures ! lol.

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:28

Selpak,how many 70 year old women know how to find who owns a domain?

I know a big ugly long haired,moustached wife beater that has a habit of using false aliases on here in order to cause trouble,especially where charity events are concerned.

You can't drum it out of some folk.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:32

My friend George who lives next door to me helps me,he helped me put some photos in the web so i can show them with links,it is easy once you keep practising



Well gooligan,if you know a wife beater and do nothing about his behaviour then you are just as bad as he is for allowing his to beat his wife.



I was also an communications officer in the army i shall have you know,and then a computer filled a room.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:37

We are all going off topic, folks.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:39

Re message 80. So now asking where the money is being held is the problem? And of course I'm 21.....I've been in Cyprus for 32 years on April 1st ( yes I know I know ! ) And why shouldn't a 21 year old care? Marion is nearly 22 and she cares. Don't shoot the messenger. I have a right to ask. I was here before Cheshire Homes and did lots of coverage when the wonderful Cannon Aurther Rider founded it. I have probably been in Cyprus longer than most posters on here and am a citizen of the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus, before we were even the TRNC. So Gooligan I have a right...no an obligation, to ask questions and the problem is not asking them , its why they can't ( won't ) answer them. I post under my own name and rank ( BRT dogs body ) do you ?



And thanks Marion for your post, we are going to have to find those dresses !

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:42

Do not bother to email message 59,here is his response to my email

Hi Mary,





Before I answer any of your questions, I have a few questions for you.





Who exactly are you?

What is your interest in knowing this information?

Why can you not wait for the official response from the charity?

Please excuse my questions, however, I have no time for people looking for gossip to post on public forums. If I am happy with your response, I will happily answer your question.





Regards





Ronnie

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:42

And Gooligan I found the Domain name not Selpak. Credit where credits due please. Not bad for a youngster.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:47

I know this is off topic, but at this stage a little levity is probably a good thing. But with reference to message 88 - 'I love you too, Radio Angel' (and by the way, for those who don't know, Radio Angel was once 'Video Angel' and so you could see who and what she is). But your idea of the dresses remind me of a joke a priest up in Troodos came out with - something to do with twins . When asked how old they were, the response was 'Yes, we are twins - I am 20 and she is 22'.





Get it? that is a case of 'sounds like' c os what is actually being said is 'I am twenty and she is twenty too.



so that is a good case of Radio Angel and I who happen to have bought identical dresses a while back. Maybe we could do a cabaret turn of 'Sisters' and raise some money for charity. Oops!!!!!!!!

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:47

I looked at Ronnie Gray on linkedin



http://www.linkedin.com/in/ronniegray



He says he set up the Internet club in NC, amongst other things.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:47

And here is his flippant answer.



From: Ronald Gray (ronald.gray@gmail.com )

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:44:08 AM

To: Mary Doll (selpak_mary@live.com )



No this is not a good enough answer. I have personally donated more than you (Both in time and money) and never doubted where my money has gone. Also, I donate large sums of money to several Charities and do not ask where the money is spent….. Did you ask Bob Geldof where all the 'Live Aid' money was spent???? NO I did not think so !



PLUS…….. You never answered my questions !



Your answer will come when the Charity announce their findings.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:49

Message 92



Yes it is said he did many things to the internet club !

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 00:59

message 59

Would you like to make up your mind in what your part was in the festival,in message 59 you say you only took bookings,yet in your linkedin you say this (Last year and again in September this year Twin Management organised charity events in the Girne Ampitheatre Headlining The Secret Police and The Bohemians..Funky Monkey....plus many more...



So which is true Mr. Ronnie Gray !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:00

Yes I think people did ask Bob Geldof how much he raised. So now we are comparing Festival 11 with Live aid.



''Nearly seven hours into the concert in London, Bob Geldof enquired how much money had been raised; he was told £1.2 million.'' That was after 7 hours not over 4 months !! and he walked out in disgust !

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:00

I have played Bass guitar now for around 20 years and have always enjoyed being involved in music. Under the umbrella of Twin Management in Northern Cyprus, We organised two music festivals. The first one on the 4th and 5th of April 2008 and the second on July the 18th and 19th 2008. These festivals were to be aptly named ‘The Big Jam’ and ‘The Big Jam 2’. The festivals were a first for The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and unique in the fact that it was the first time corporate cover bands had been flown in to the Turkish side of the Island to perform. These events enabled me to work closely with local government to obtain the necessary licenses needed to stage the concerts and also allowed me the opportunity to liaise, negotiate and secure sponsorship for the whole event to take place. Last year and again in September this year Twin Management organised charity events in the Girne Ampitheatre Headlining The Secret Police and The Bohemians..Funky Monkey....plus many more...

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:03

Msg 88, RadioAngel,



You're as young as you feel and a woman of your experience is a prize asset on this forum ! As regards our friend "Ronald" from" twin management " is it as I predicted in msg.63....a complete waste of time....why post Ronald if you have nothing credible to say ?

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:09

Twin Management organised charity events in the Girne Ampitheatre



I can say that Twin Managements involvement was to book the acts. We did this and made no money out of Festival 10 or Festival 11.



Twin Management organised charity events in the Girne Ampitheatre



I can say that Twin Managements involvement was to book the acts. We did this and made no money out of Festival 10 or Festival 11.





Twin Management organised charity events in the Girne Ampitheatre



He must of got confused,poor boy !

Ronnie66


Joined: 12/04/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:09

Tut tut.....



Denise Phillips... congratulations on finding my 'PUBLIC' profile on linkedIn.



What a prat !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:13

Re message 81, yes I have only been posting for 6 days. I joined Cyprus 44 only because of Festival 11. Why did you start join yesterday Tellis ? Probably the same reason. I am making honest posts asking for honest answers. What are you doing on the forum and why ?



And EamonnMc you are wrong, you are as young as the man you feel....or thats what Mae West said anyway.

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:14

Ronnie my old mate,you must know who is creating all this mischief,do you want me to drum it into you?

Regards to Marion.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:15

Thanks Ron for your valued input !

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:16

RadioAngel, look at my profile then look at the date I joined,what is your real name anyway?

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:18

Gooligan.



The mischief as you aptly call it has already begun,which set of drums do you wish to use gooli ?



We do not want mischief,we just want honest answers,is that a problem to you!

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:21

Not at all Paul but you are mischief making as usual.

Wait until the 14th for your answers,it's not difficult.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:21

You mean you don't know who I am ! Only joking....my name is on my profile I am Denise Phillips . Whats yours ?

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 01:23

Gooligan



Please keep on topic.



Read my profile,im a beautiful old lady !



But old enough to hold my own.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 05:59

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/59875.asp



an interesting read

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 06:25

so it was a busy night

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/74390.asp

mel7348


Joined: 01/02/2012
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 08:53

Festival 11 committee as published on girnefestival.com . Richard Currie, Tony Elkin, Brian Poloczek, Claire Morley, Hal Crompton. We know who is chairman, may we know who is treasurer ?

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 09:07

Who are Twin management?

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 10:03

Perhaps a lot of this speculation etc, could be resolved in part if we can be told where the money collected during F11 has been deposited, and what interest it may be making!!

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 10:38

Cyprus joker 112. twin management is an company owned by Jonny Hawkins who was residing in the south !



Festival 10. would it be true or common knowledge that At festival 10 Snakes, Outlaws, Jonny lee and most of the other guys and girls worked totally for free even paid for their own drinks.Whilst Funky Monkey and Nile Ozturk received an amount of money ?.



Back to festival 11. Could some of the money of been spent by the people holding it ?Has the date of the 14Th been chosen to give certain people time to make good what has gone bad,if money has been spent,maybe given time to replace it ?



These are all questions that if the answer is yes too then we could understand,some people do make mistakes in life,we are all human and we can forgive people who do little wrongs in life,and then we can make sure they never repeat it again !



Now i am contacting the bohemians to ask what was their fee;s,i shall report back here soon.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 11:22

Apparently part of the problem for the investigating Festival 11 commitee ( also the Festival 11 organising committee ) is knowing how many were at the Ampitheatre as tickets were not counted (!)



Please read message 110 link. How many people does it take to confirm that the ampitheatre was almost full with at least 3000 people there. Thats 75,000 tl at least, over 26 K . So that is a least one figure they should have right. I believe Girne Belediye gave the ampitheatre for free.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 11:26

75,000 tl is a vast amount of money to keep safely. So who counted it after the event finished where was it lodged and who had responsibility for this ? Was it the treasurer of Festival 11 ?

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 11:55

Selpak Msg 114, I can only speak for Snakes and Johnnie Lee who gave their time for nothing, naturarally, as it was for Charity. Snakes had one efes which he bought, I bought my own water! There was nothing left in VIP room when we went in there. I am pleased that at last, Selpak and RadioAngel have the balls to highlight events. My own feelings are that this was a cash taking kind of business, one that is easily unaccoubtable for, easily lost somewhere....Kind regards, Mrs Snakes.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:19

Have Girne Belediye or the mayor been contacted yet regarding this farce?After all they put their name to it.



RadioAngel,if you speak Turkish it may be helpful to put in call there to them,maybe that would really start to bring things out in the open?



They gave the ampi T for free,i think it is very important that they know what is going on .

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:23

Msg 117

"this was a cash taking business", but who took the cash?

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:25

Thank you Mrs.Snakes.



It is good to know some artist's will still work for free when an charity is involved.



Maybe Jonny Hawkins or his girlfriend can state if he or funky money was paid or not !



Or maybe twin management company may of been paid,and not the people so to speak !



A bit like you pay for a flight on virgin airlines and your money could eventually end up in Richards bank account,Richard branson that would be

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:30

Mrs Snakes in my personal opinion Selpak is not 'highlighting' events as much as using events to persue a personal agenda / vendetta against certain indivduals with no care or regard for Chesire homes or any innocent indivduals who get caught in the collateral damage.

It is my belief that the user ID Selpak here is essential an entirely ficticous front account for people who can not post their accusations and allegations dirtectly as themselves without making clear their own personal agenda and bias as to why they are persuing this in the manner they are here. Exactly who the poster Selpak may be is a matter of speculation and evidence of their connection to previous well know posters on this forum, complete with their previous histories of involvment in these issues and indivduals over years are all cirumstantial, but the evidence is all there and it is compelling to any who can be bothered to dig it out and make their own judgments. [cont]

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:31

However maybe I am wrong. I doubt it but it is possible. Maybe there really is a real person called Mary Selpak who is a 70 year old woman with no previous history or connection to fund raising in North Cyprus, Chesire Homes or Hal Compton who is just genuinely and 'with balls' trying to 'highlight' issues. So I will say here and now, publicaly, that if this person is willing to meet in person and show some credible ID, like a passport or drivers licsense or credit card in the name Mary Selpak, I will personaly donate 200 pounds sterling to any registered charity of their choice. What is more, in order to avoid any accusations or fears Mary might have that I am 'stalker of women' they can arrange to meet and show this ID not to me, but to my (female) partner or any third party that I trust.

[cont]

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:33

There is a real issue here with regard to accounting properly for Festival 11 and there may or may not have been 'improper actions' by some involved and that should and hopefully will all come out in the open either way. Whatever the reality and outcome of that is however it is also clear to me that there is something ELSE going on here as well and that also deserves to also come out in the open in my opinion. Namely the deciteful use of false ID heres to exploit events to covertly push personal agendas. In any case I have put my money where my mouth is. There is 200 pounds waiting to go to charity if I am wrong.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:35

Hey Erolz! Can I have the 200 stg too please for Charity if I meet you ? Dx

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:35

Was all money given to twin management ? Ronald Gray states that twin management organised this event .



( Last year and again in September this year Twin Management organised charity events in the Girne Ampitheatre Headlining The Secret Police and The Bohemians..Funky Monkey....plus many more...) please read message 97,Ronald McDonalds profile,i mean Ronald Gray.

Was twin management responsible for all the money,was it fed into a bank account of theirs?



Has some one ran away with the money or taken far to much agents fee,s,has some one from the management company charged to much for their professional services?



Is Hal Crompton and Richard Currie going to take the fall for others?



Could it be an consortium who planned this in advance for nearly 1 year knowing full well how much could be made from this week long concert?



There are so many if's and but's and could's.



Pinky & perkier, what about some answers from you both,you was not shy about asking for our money !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:41

I have chosen deliberately to waive my RIGHT to anonimity on Cyprus 44. I personally think that all posters should ve verified ID wise before they are allowed to post. But that is not the case What adgenda do you have trying to out people on Cyprus 44? Its a free world....isnt it and everyone is entitled to there opinion on here. Just like you are.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:42

Message 123



I think so people are banned and would like to have there say but because they are banned they cannot,some people will make up another ID,and of course they cannot use their own name,they would be banned.



Maybe Erolz can ask the internet provider who a certain person is,let us see if that is the case,let us see if that internet provider uses confidentiality of it's customers,if not maybe even credit card details may well not be safe with that internet provider!

Keep your £200 Erolz,I am sure their could be a lot of unhappy people if internet providers start giving out personal details of their customers to busy bodies !



I will not reply to you any more.



Go pick on another lady

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:44

Erolz, and I do not think you are doing yourself trying to arrange meet ups with someone who clearly doesnt want to meet you re another thread. You have made some valid points but this is not one of them methinks !

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:45

Msg 124, no RadioAngel you can not, because I know you are a genuine person and I do not doubt your sincerity in wanting to get to the bottom of the real issue surrounding Festival 11. I have no issue with real people openly speaking as themselves asking for accountability from Chesire Homes about Festival 11. I do have an issue with people using deciet to use current events to attack indivduals and organisations they have a long standing issue and history with , with no regard for who elses gets caught in the crossfire.

You may not care who Selpak is, and if they are a 'real person' or a 'front' account, in the face of your obvious concern with regards to Festival 11 and I understand and accept that. I however do care about this other issue as much as I care about proper disclosure regarding festival 11 and actualy fear that, if I am right, it actually undermines legitimate efforts of real people to get to and demand the truth regarding festival 11.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:53

RadioAngel I have no desire to 'meet' Selpak. I do have a desire to be proven to be wrong if I am wrong about the Selpak account here being a 'front', which is why my offer is not to meet me personaly, but to show to anyone I can trust that they are a real person.

Everyone has the right to post here, annoymopusly or not. I do not deny that right. However when people are making the kind of accusations Selpak is making here in the manner they are and with the consistency they are, then I think there is a valid right for that persons identity to be know. Certainly it is a right of the accused to actualy know who is accusing them. That is the problem herr as far as I am concerned.



Selpak, it does not need any internet provider to show you are a real person. It does not need you to have to meet me in person. It would just require you to meet anyone I would trust and show you are a real person and then any registered charity of your choice would be 200 pounds better off.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:55

Erolz.



What did you part with to festival 11 or festival 10 and to Cheshire home?



Over a 3 year period i have parted with more than £2000 pounds of my hard earned money to charities on this island,my motive is i wish to know who and where my money is going when i offer it or get a collection box rammed under my nose !



Now get off your high horse and off my back and stop your incoherent ramblings about other's.



Any one can be correct about other's if they have personal inside information about that person from another source.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 12:58

Erolz



I couldn't agree more. If Selpak is a 70 year old lady I would eat my hat.



Cheshire Homes have said that they will publish a full statement on or around the 14th Feb - why don't people just sit tight and see what they come up with.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 13:01

I hope you are hungry Paul !

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 13:04

I feel that Tony Elkin should be given the extra time to sort it out.



I would imagine there are a lot of loose ends to tie up.







Knowing Tony and having worked with him I sncerley beleive that he will strive to bring this situation under control. I would not like to be in his position, especially with so much flying around.



I am glad that I got out when I did. Like I said at the time Ismail's life was and still is more important to me than a nice press release.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 13:10

Tony Elkin should tell Yin & Yong to get on here like they did when they wanted our support and money and clue us all up as to what is going on and not leaving their dirty work to Mr.Elkin



This is not an witch hunt as Erolz would like everyone to believe,it is people who wish to know answers and who hate to think they have been used by some one under the cover of a good cause.



jonny lee. festival 10 ,did you give your services for free or take professional fee's?

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 13:13

While he sorts it out couse he possible tells us where the wonga is being held ,for safe keeping, prior to the REVELATION due on the 14 Feb. No, I thought not !

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 13:14

Mary Selpak, I would like to meet you, for you say in an earlier posting that for 20 years you played bass guitar. . I have never met a female bass guitar player, on ly a female percussion player and she was with the BBC symphony orchestra (a long time ago). Having been involved with the music industry in one of my former 'lives' this seems a strange and fascinating occupation for a female, who possibly at the age of 70 could still play a good tune. so when have you played in public here. I am so sorry if I missed you. I admire women in the older age group who show the talent they have to the world and help others through it.

Fascinating

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 13:15

Marion......that post about the bass player wasnt referring to Sepak...that was a copy paste of information about Twin Management........

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 13:17

I would not be so quick to jump on the doubting Selpak bandwagon while she is asking valid questions about the wearabouts and distribution of funds from Festival 11. I said it before...don't shoot the messenger. D x

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 13:24

Selpak, No way no fee whatsover, I worked from from early afternoon until very very late at festival 10



People who know me will tell you that any charity events I have appeared at I have never asked for a penny'



Last year 2 events for George and Tulips (with fairly high travel costs to my self)



Mountain View for Maureen and Kemal Foundation. Various events for KLD ( but I must ad KLD have supported Ismail well) Also Cine Miles, I asked for any fee to be used to buy some food and drink for the entertainers.



Pine Bay, for CINF. and lots more.



Selpak I know the difference between Charity and my own pocket.



I would also add that any event I have taken any part in everyone has given their time ,their equipment etc. FOR NO FEE. and for this I thank them all,

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 13:25

marion.



Sorry for the misunderstanding,the message in that post is copied from Ronald grays profile who says twin management organised festival 10 and 11,is it possible were barking up the wrong tree !!

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 13:53

Radio Angle have you thought about doing a phone in on your show bit like Mike wats his name on talk sport a few years ago who used to get pissed whilst having heated massdebates

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 15:19

Selpak



My knife and fork are at the ready and Erolz has offered £200 to charity if you really are who you say you are. As you are such a vocal 'supporter' of local charities, why not meet his challenge and earn some much needed funds for a charity. I somehow suspect you won't !!

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 16:02

If anyone wants to meet Selpak,look for an Audi TT (penis extension?) at the block of offices opposite the Alpet petrol station in Catalkoy,the car is always parked outside his office door.

eyebob


Joined: 22/06/2010
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 16:23

Seems to me,being an outside observer,that two particular people have ripped off Cheshire Homes, and people who donated to the cause, and now Cheshire Homes is frantically thrashing about trying to come up with a plausible answer,so that any future fund-raising in their name is not damaged.Please correct me if I am wrong.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 16:30

This written as a book would make a best seller in the Mystery collection.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 16:40

Robb,for gods sake give it a rest man,and up date your forum profile,you no longer live in TRNC,your in the same village as people i know in Doncaster ;)



By the way gooligan,i'm sorry but i do not live in an office,am i a "Thorne" in your side ;)

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 17:23

What a bloody cheek,telling me to update my profile when you (Zeroclue) are masquerading

as a 70 year old woman.

Do you actually have your own opinion or do you just do what Washerman tells you to?

Come on moderators,he was banned for a reason,namely he is a foul mouthed trouble maker,why do you keep letting him get away with it?

Why is it Zero that you are questioning where this charity money is but you yourself imported a car from the UK and never paid the import duty on it?

You sell your product from your office and never issue an official fatura?

Seems to me the Taxman should be taking a closer look at you.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 17:46

Gooligan is on a witch hunt,last night i was a drummer and called paul.



Today i am called zero who it is said by gooligan has a foul mouth.



When you have truly made up your mind gooligan please check your email.



Moderators,i do not wish to get into an slanging match with gooligan who is getting duff information from Erolz,so i have emailed gooligan over 1 hour ago direct.



Gooligan,please stop trying to get this thread closed and please let others do the finger pointing,do not do their dirty work for them.

Let us see if internet providers give private information to it's lackeys regarding it's customer's.



Gooligan if you have problems with me and i am annoying you please take it up with me in an email,i do not bite and i am almost 70 years of age !

Stop disrupting the thread gooligan,you are out of line .



Your old friend Mary x

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 17:54

I'm on a witch hunt?

You want to read you posts again Dave/Paul.

You both must have the password for Selpak because some of the posts have no spelling mistakes.

What has Erolz got to do with anything?

Come on mods,blatant abuse of rule 1.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 17:57

I think you are all a lot of nutcases who deserve to be ripped off. You are like a load of children in the play ground trying to tell on each other to teacher I dont have a clue who any of you are except Marion....and do you know what, I don't care. We are discussing what happened to the funds raised by Festival 11 not some who's who vendetta.



Re message 142 do you think I would put a bunch of you lot on the radio ? So that you can rip each other to shreds ? Whoever had it away with the money must be laughing their socks off at you lot bickering with each other and deflecting attention from the real issues.



Enough is enough. You lot are pathetic. Denise Phillips.

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 18:03

Well wait until the 14th then and you will find out instead of throwing rumours and insinuations around on here,(that's aimed at zeroclue by the way)

It's not rocket science is it.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 18:29

Gooligan

you have a very bad habit of accusing people of being other people, it sure is the signs of a very sick puppy.



Try not to ruin the thread young man, do as Denise is saying and stop deflecting the real issues and stop bickering, some of us have lost real money in this saga!



You both must have the password for the name selpak as there is no spelling mistakes, do you think zero clue helps Paul with his spelling Robb? 



You really are so very funny and you have the audacity to call for rule 1 to be brought into use when you are accusing people of being other people feel so sorry for Paul and zero clues whoever they are.



Please take note robb, i wont answer you here no more, email me if you wish to carry on your witch-hunt.

Regards

Mary x



PS. Denise,this is why he ran away from Cyprus,he was always accusing people and got himself into lots of trouble! So i am told !

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 18:46

This subject is now generating more heat than light. Don't think we'll get any more answers until the 14th, if then !

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 18:47

Dave,take Erol up on his offer then and get a charity of your choice £200.

You are nothing but a childish troublemaker spreading lies and insinuations everywhere you go using false aliases because you have already been banned for doing the exact same thing.

Everyone sees through you for what you are now,a grade 1 LIAR.

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 18:54

That's exactly my point Eamonn but Zeroclue wont let go,he is determined to stir up sh*t and finger point although he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about or might I had,any proof of any wrong doing.

But that doesn't matter to him,that's why he got banned in the first place for.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 19:11

Poor Dave,Poor Paul,Poor zero clue,poor Cheshire home who still have not got the money that was made at the week long charity event festival 11,it seems there are some grade 1 Lier's around these days !!



Well it looks like we may have to wait until the 14th,such a special day for all the lover's around the world,we shall remember that day with fond memories i suppose,the day the real statement is released for us minnows and gooligan !



I for one cannot wait to hear the fudge or the real Mcoy story on the 14th.



Mary.

fireball


Joined: 10/12/2010
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 19:26

The above messages vindicate my actions of not giving or getting involved in any way with ANY charity in the TRNC.



TRNC charities are either raising funds for causes/materials/equipment that should be the responsibility of Government or municipalities, or are run by individuals who make a good living of the back of the charities.



I good friend who I trust, is involved in the charity fiasco in the TRNC, and in thier words " The charities in the TRNC are the biggest businesses on this Island".



I wonder if this is because of the lack of accountability required if you name yourself as a charity.

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 19:36

There is obvious frustration at the lack of answers. Cheshire Homes have done themselves no favours. The committee seems to include some of the same old suspects that drift around trying to get involved in everything.

There simply needs to be records kept and, as a charity, made public.

How much did the publicity cost?

How much did the acts/transport/accommodation cost?

How much did the sponsors put in?

What money was made at each event?

What money is taxable?

What happened to the money taken through ticket sales? It doesn't seem to be in the Cheshire Homes account, otherwise, I would have hoped they would have known.

It seems there is a case that people tried to put on an event that they did not have the skills to put on. Whether there was any skullduggery, and the roaring silence from the Cheshire Homes only adds fuel to the theory.

Will there be any answers on February 14? Why was there an 'emergency' meeting - culled from another thread - just in January?

Answers not snip

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 19:37

Msg 158

As I said in message 66

horselover48


Joined: 09/09/2010
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 19:50

Just as i said earlier. How can a problem caused by a committee be investigated by the same committee minus, i presume, two, and partners ??

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 08:19

10 days left to find the money!!!!

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 11:27

Festival 11 committee as published on girnefestival.com . Richard Currie, Tony Elkin, Brian Poloczek, Claire Morley, Hal Crompton.



Re message 161 As I understand it Brian Poloczek was asked to wait outside the Thursday meeting while certain matters were discussed by the other committee members with the accountant. Why ?

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 11:30

Well said Mr Smith. he reason that the figures are being closely inspected is to give yyu (and everyone else) those answers. And that is what both committees are determined to do WHEN they have correct answers. and if there is anything else needing to be done they will doit. But until then, maybe, the comment of 'taking on something they could no manage' iss a thought to hang on to. If it is anything else, then hopfully the deep inspection of the figures will reveal all. But it takes time! So hoopefully the 14th will reveal all as it gives time for them to do what they want to do - go thoroughly throiugh everything . anyone who knows about accounting and loads of bits of paper, know that is not an easy task. anyone out there ever tried to do a 3 MONTH vat return in 3 hours? Well I reckon this Cheshire Home task is a thousand times worse

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 11:40

But we are not talking about 3 hours , we are talking about nearly 5 months !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 11:52

Also an unpaid bill of 950 tl had been left at Magic Touch printers. I wonder if this has now been picked up. It was there a couple of days ago. Funny that .....printing not paid for 5 months down the line......must have been another oversight

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 11:53

I have a question, how much money do you think would be an acceptable amount raised for cheshire homes on the given night by your calculations.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 11:56

The amount raised minus their expenses would be acceptable. At this stage what has repeatedly been asked is WHERE is the money.....not how much. Is it in a bank account ? Who is signatory on it ? However this question cannot be answered for some reason.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 12:00

minimum of 50 000tl

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 12:02

Tend to agree with Radio Angel, My wife completes my Qtrs VAT at our Restaurant and all other paperwork for 13 weeks trading taking far more money than Festival 11 in a maxumum of 2 days.



Thats after a 14 hour journey.



But I must add that we have decent managment and hopefully honest people to keep things in check and filed correctly. (that's the secret)



Also please note, you may not find out the truth, even though ,many of us know it.



I fear that it will have to be made to look pretty for the sake of C.H.



I hope with all my heart that I am wrong.



Please also note . I have a known 44 I.D. and also I have worked with the men concerned.

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 12:02

Your absolutly right RA, where is it?

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 12:04

message 164 Marion.



lots of bits of paper,seems strange there is lots of scraps of paper,i'd of thought they would of been burnt or thrown away with the ticket stubs !



9.5 days to go.it feels like an eternity !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 12:19

I think the problem is there are very few bits of paper including those of monetary value !



It's also very easy to be generous when you are giving away other peoples money.



I heard that the flight that had to be changed and paid for again (re last Saturdays press release ) was for Ronnie Gray see message 92.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 13:19

message 170



That was the problem here from day 1.



No Honesty and nothing transparent.



Makes me wonder how long this really goes back!



Some people make great living's out of charities !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 13:50

Deja vu ? I especially like the last but one post directed at somewho DARED to ask what had actually been raised......







http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/46044.asp

tinker


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 156

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 14:21

Been following this thread with interest.

Daren't start again.

Scruffdog is certainly conspicuous by his absence.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 15:02

I think you should feel proud of yourself Tinker for asking what has now become so blindingly obvious !



That condescending post about running a raffle ( we stiil don't have the prize winners of their one, after nearly 5 months !) says it all, and explains much about how arrogance, deceit and bullying have been at the core of this since fiasco day one.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 15:33

HOW IRONIC DENISE. I ALMOST CHOKED ON MY GREEN HERBAL TEA

scruffdog





Joined: 09/12/2008

Posts: 742



Message Posted:

01/10/2010 12:42



Reply

Message 27 of 28 in Discussion

Tinker.... please let me know when you will arrange something (if you can) than I can start negative pounding on this forum at you.







I guess the most you have arranged is a raffle where instantly you can count your small change.







Cynical or what.... yes you have won that reward and from possitives others have posted they will agree with the reward you have just given yourself. Also guess you posted your last comment without reading a post made by me this very morn.... that then sums up your negative and cynical reply. Have fun because it seem you have a sad life at the moment and should relax!

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 15:40

Bloody hell.



I have just realised,it took the same amount of time with festival 10 by the looks of the http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/46044.asp



Well spotted radioangel



Be careful though,how dare you bring up old history ! you'll have the Failed forum police at your door ! All the way from Doncaster !

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 16:24

Any charity should be accounted for correctly, one of simplest ways would be to use something like a copy of Sage Accounts, totals could be able to be shown very easily. Tax payments due recorded, expenses on each event, cost of equipment hired etc could all be provided as soon as all money is received and tickets not sold returned everything could be listed within days not months.

Every event could be recorded separately and for example Festival 11 could be shown what days were profitable, and total expenditures.



All slagging off should be stopped, things should get sorted and then be better planned for next Festival.

mel7348


Joined: 01/02/2012
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 16:24

Ms 177. Thankyou RadioAngel.

You have summed things up in a nutshell. Tom Roche's column in Cyprus Today - "Let's forget the name calling and mud slinging, and call in the police to try to get to the bottom of this once and for all. Surely those with nothing to hide can welcome such an opportunity to clear the air ?"

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 16:33

This is one of the first things I have ever agreed with Tom Roche on !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 16:37

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/46044.asp



So where are the accounts for this and how much did Cheshire Home actually receieve ? Does ANYONE actually know ?

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 16:58

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/74390.asp posted by scruffdog on 29-09-12



Joined: 15/07/2008

Posts: 1043



Message Posted: Scruffdog

25/09/2011 00:49

Reply Message 2 of 79 in Discussion



''Seconded Vince. Apparently there were 3,500 people there & the Amphitheatre was full.



The Bohemians were, I'd go as far to say, awesome.



Anybody not there missed a fantastic night. ''





So now we know from of one of the organisers how many people were at the Amphitheatre, on ONE of the nights. Apparently the committee are struggling to work out how many were there. Someone suggested to look at pictures but here we have it from the horse ( or dogs ) mouth.



3.500 x 25tl =87.500 tl or more than 30 thousand pounds .

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 17:09

Please don't forget guys, that Taner Erginel (High court judge - retired) is on the Disciplinary committee of the Home and is well aware what may or may not be done. But in view of the extreme tardiness of handing in the paper work by the two gentlleman who handled it, it has taken time to sort. As yet, there is little reason to call in the police.

But just two things

1. does ANYONE have a video recoording to show just how many were at the popular concert, and

2. As I asked in The Star - has anyone out there won the prizes and if so, what did they get.

this is all part of the investigation to get a full picture. yes, it is taing a time, but it is important that it is correct, and I FIRMLY believe that Cheshire Home would NOT do any kind of cover up, but prudently they are saying NOTHIING unless al has been thoroughly inv estigated.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 17:28

Hi Marion please see post 184



Richard Currie said in his post that there were 3.500 people there on one night. Thats what one of the two ORGANISERS of the event said at the time.



So why do you need photos now? You have it from him.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 17:39

Marion , The Festival 11 commitee is investigating......the Festival 11 Committee !



Re message 163 Brian Poloczek was excluded from some of the last meeting. Why ?

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 18:51

The shit is gonna hit the fan soon.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 21:02

i said last week the police should be called into this,also the mayor of girne should be told what is hapening,no one is listening.

The committee should not be looking into this,we already know their history!

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 21:06

What is more of concern, is where is the money that is left to give to Cheshire Homes?

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 22:00

Surely there was someone honest on the commitee and that realises they are ALL being shamed and tainted by this ?



These people all need resident permits here. It doesn't take the police or a court case to make you 'persona non grata'. Its happened before. We are talking about money that was given to help handicapped adults and children. This is being watched closely. Where else in the world does the whistleblower head up the resulting investigation ?

imposoliedus


Joined: 16/01/2012
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 22:26

is it true that alex main was on the commity and left before the s,,,t hit the fan ,and was it not he that threw most of the stubs away

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 22:39

Alex main was never on the commitee. As to the stubs - read my lengthy diatribe inThe Star.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 22:59

That article in the Star was very good and fair. Bit like you really ! D x

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 00:20

Elkiton please do not mail me off board to vent your spleen at me. Save it for those who deserve it. And if you can say it in a private email to me, why not post it here for all to see ? Why shouldn't I ask where the money is being held ? Why is that such a contentious question ?

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 00:31

Thank you Radio Angel - you are...................of course..................an angel!

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 00:35

Not according to some !

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 00:59

No,to some you are are a shit stirring interfering busy body,but then again you are female and a journalist which makes you the biggest busy body in the world(Crocodile Dundee)



Why don't you wait for the accounts to be published and then start your witch hunt?



Or is that too much to ask?



Innocent until proven guilty................Unless on Cyprus44.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 01:27

RadioAngel' Msg 191,



Step back a bit and please don't ask for people to be deported because of Suspicion.... that does you no credit... this is Not A Witchhunt !!!! This is a search for answers to legitimate questions... nothing more ! Your comments on msg. 191 are, in my opinion, out of order . Again , for someone , with a long record of media experience, You really should know better . Please withdraw your remarks, in the interest of fairness ! This is Not personal.. This is about truth !!

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 01:35

I am not asking for anything re message 191



''These people all need resident permits here. It doesn't take the police or a court case to make you 'persona non grata'. Its happened before.''



Where in that am I saying anyone should be deported. I am stating a fact and it it has happened before .



I have asked what has happened to the money that is being held. This seems to upset certain people greatly. Why is this referred to as a witch hunt ? I post under my full name . Do you ? I am accountable. Are you ?