this concerns us all you must read this!!!!!!!

lamek


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 23:35

BOUGHT A CAR FROM A CORRUPT CAR DEALER! in Northern cyprus (lefkosa) a year ago, i cant sell the car! nor can i put it my name! nor can i get road tax!! hired a lawyer and paid for his services! he has delayed going to court for the past year!! WHERE do i go from here!!!!!? PLEASE CAN ANYONE HELP, this almighty corrupt system cannot possibly be this corrupt can it!! ????

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 02:16

take them to court

easy

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 02:29

Or get your friends from here



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/83863.asp



all willing to stand up for a cause

lamek


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 13:08

thanks phil, but i have hired a lawyer but he seems reluctant although hes not making it obvious`he keeps telling me `we are going to court`but now im suspicious of him especially as he is taking sooo long about it! and as you say take them to court! i would love to go to court but how do i get there when your lawyer is almost incompetent!? can i present myself in court!? im pretty much lost and find it hard to trust lawyers!! hes the second one i have hired and no joyat all so far, it seems to me a case of its not what you know but rather who you know!! where is the law or better still where is the honest lawyer!? that isnt afraid to confront those with wealth as in the case of this dealer!?

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 13:17

whats wrong with car paperwork ?

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 13:17

Sounds like the car dealer has lots of friends or relatives!

lamek


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 13:30

cyprus airsoft, the paperwork exists but the car dealer cannot transfer the log-book into my name and refuses to give back my money, because the previous owner has had his assets sanctioned! so how does a dealer sell this vehicle on!!!? and worse still how did the dealer come to have it in his gallery!!!? the plot thickens!!! i have to take out car insurance in the previous owners name and im the 2nd driver! i cant even take out road tax!! its discusting! im quite sure im delayed so long that eventually the case will become sour and void from court!!! what i need to find is someone that can go about this and do whats right!!!

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 16:00

It seems to me that unless the previous registered keeper, or a third party such as yourself, discharges the earlier legal interest in the vehicle the dealer will never be in a position to have valid title to pass on to you. I think you must investigate whether or not the other parties can plead "men of straw" and if you are not convinced one or the other can/will pay it is time to get your calculator out, review the figures involved, and sadly, even consider walking away from the scenario. Unfortunately you are one of many here who contemplate going to law and, in the main, have lost further hard earned monies even when a judgment has been gained. It is also a regular occurrence for advocates to act for more than one party in the process. Few, including the courts, would recognise a conflict of interest, if it bit them on the arse. Sorry to seem so negative but I sincerely wish that it turns out well for you. It will take a lot of vigilance on your part.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 16:04

Sell it on

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 16:09

Msg. 4.

There can be a very long delay before Civil Court cases start here & this is what this will be. I waited nearly 5 yrs. for a first date for the case to be held. However that may be exceptional, due to the nature of the case.

I do know that there was a very long backlog in 2009/10 period, however I do not know what the current situation is?

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 16:15

Quite often here people will put their car on a friends forcourt to sell for them. If there is some sort of claim on the car, i would have thought your argument was with the dealer, who took your money for a car he couldn't legally sell, so to speak.

Is there not a consumer organisation here? I am sure i remember reading about one. Maybe someone has the link. ?? I would try them goods payed for and not recieved as such, if it can't be legally yours.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 17:03

Good point Blade. Mr Yilmazisik, The Consumers Association, Old Quarter, Lefkosa. Telephone 0392 228 9520 and 0392 229 0790. He comes across as a very mild man but is very tenacious and has more clout sorting out business malpractice than you would ever imagine.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 22:24

Have you thought about going to the newspapers and having them write an article to publicise the car dealer?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 23:03

Scam after Scam :-( "The builder, The landowner, The car dealer, even The newspapers" (not to mention Kibtec, The Government) or any kind of Charity ..... is there no end?



Let's all go on a pic-nic................ eh Elko?



Yes (mess 1) It does concern us all! although you wouldn't realise it?



LIFE LIVED IN A BUBBLE

lamek


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 01:31

thanks to you all for your comments and good advice` i have tried going about this the civilised way and sadly now i have to go about this the uncivilised way as i now realise this is the way this gallery owner is going to finaly understand! he has gone too far and must now learn not to do this to anyone again!! if this government is soo asleep then its up to us to do what is neccesary to protect ourselves if this government cant/wont, i now intend to take this dealer for a drive and give him the sort of kicking that is quite frankly overdue!! this is not what i wanted but unfortunately im not prepared to blatantly ripped off so now hes going to get a sudden visit from the sas`now that im talking about it` i cant wait to hear his ribs crack along with his broken fingers. yes im angry but honest!!

lamek


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 01:36

i might even go soo far as to sell up and go back to where i came from, and just before i depart i will give him another visit and repeat the first lesson and a bit extra just to make sure he doesnt think about ever doing this again!!

lamek


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 01:37

and good luck to the rest of you!!!!!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 01:42

Maybe not a good idea

to post what you want to do on a forum?

lamek


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 02:18

phil, thats the best part! nobody really knows anybody on here....didnt you know!? how can anyone possibly find me!!?

PhilUK


Joined: 31/03/2010
Posts: 236

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 02:33

Lamek-Why notTry turning the wacky sytem to your advantage-from what I understand you are saying, the car is still in the name of the previous owner?

OK-what I would do if I were you is drive the car very fast through every speed camera in Northern cyprus.

Assuming the tickets go to the registered owner. I think he will coopererate with you once the police turn up at his house to collect the fines.

lamek


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 02:39

phil the problem is the gallery owner, i was told to do that by a few friends, its not the prvious owner thats the problem its the person i bought it from...the gallery owner! thanks phil but i know what i must do! you could say im doing justice for myself and in the process preventing this sack of shit of repeating to others!

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 09:42

If you convince the Consumers Association that you have been subject to a scam they will hurt him, in a legal sense, more than you could ever do and perhaps recover your losses and more.

davpat


Joined: 23/08/2011
Posts: 225

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 11:26

you could shame the seller of the car my nameing him/her on this Forum?





David

eyebob


Joined: 22/06/2010
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 14:58

Can you let us know which ward he is in so we can visit him?

lamek


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 15:02

eyebob, dont you mean what field!!

lamek


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 15:04

deputydawg! thanks im still trying, if i get no joy the legal way then its going to get done another way, but one thing is certain he is not going to get away with it!!!!!...thanks for your good advice.

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 16:04

Lamek,Why did you buy a car without the log book? When you first went to the garage you should of put a deposit on the car till the log book was changed into your name and when the dealer realised that this couldnt be done your deposit should have been returned.Hope it all gets sorted out for you soon

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 22:40

vonny (mess 27) you certainly live in Airy Fairy Land You must have dug in deep!

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 01:19

And what is that suppose to mean ?? trnc victim. So you think what i wrote was wrong ? are you saying that lemek and everyone else here should buy a car without their name on the log book? you may hate this place and just love to hear anything that goes wrong in this country .infact i think its eating you up that you could never live here & anyone that does and is happy always seems to get snide remarks from you.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 01:23

maybe people should take msg27 advice

even with property

just a thought?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 07:02

msg 1;

Why did you pay for the mentioned car without having the logbook in your name?Was it because it was 'cheap' enough and you thought you were getting a bargain?



You don't part with your money without a proof of ownership in uk,why did you do it here?



......and by the way,we have a saying in cyprus about ones that threaten publicly...........'no need worry to over a dog that constantly barks'!



I'm in Lapta,if I can be of any help..........

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 07:08

msg31, like property then?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 07:18

not realy msg 32.

change of ownership of a vehicle in trnc is so simple,turn up at vehicle registery office in lefgosa,with a proof of id,and pay the 200+ liras and it's done in seconds,........hand written. ..........where else in uk you need to sent off for it.



besides,who in their right mind would want to buy a car from a dealer in trnc?I was driving through turkey on monday/tuesday this week,along with 3 other uk plated cars,2 renault megane coupe and mini cooper.All 3 turned off at Konya direction,going through toros mountains(stupid move I thought).We met up again at Tasucu a day later,due to ferries not running beacause of the weateher.They went through that route to stop at a garage where they can have the mileages of the cars CORRECTED!

lamek


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 16:41

thanks for your advice...i did put a deposit on the car and was asked to return the day after to collect my `logbook` as it was too late to change it over at that time, and i did the decent thing to trust!! and why shouldnt i !!? after all this is a big gallery with lots of vehicles!! soo many gallerys in that area, the police said i was right to trust the gallery and the gallery was wrong to do what he did`the police gave me thier backing and took all the details from the gallery owner and cautioned him that he was breaking the law!! and then advised me to seek a lawyer and they would be in court to give me their support...but a year later im still waiting and my lawyer seems to have changed his tune! by telling me the gallery owner was acting as power of eterny`opposed to what he said a year ago`which was " he cant do this and when we go to court he will have to pay you back every penny and also all the court costs along with the police prosecution!! Another police visit i think!!!

SWCathy


Joined: 22/11/2011
Posts: 292

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 21:02

NAME and SHAME both

Mambosun


Joined: 27/05/2011
Posts: 112

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 22:32

The only wat to buy a car and be safe is buy new from a dealer.if it is a small run around it does not work out that bad and if you sell the price you get is reflected in regards of the local market a bit like the property market at home. I bought my first car new in the TRNC and when I changed it this year the trade inprice was good. Good luck with your problem

Cypriot4x4


Joined: 16/07/2011
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
19/02/2012 12:58

@Scruff



"There can be a very long delay before Civil Court cases start here & this is what this will be. I waited nearly 5 yrs. for a first date for the case to be held." "However that may be exceptional, due to the nature of the case. "





The Civil Procedure Rules alterated on December, 2008 in order to prevent delays in civil cases.



Even without this alteration "nearly 5 years" is not reasonable and/or acceptable time period for a first date the case to be held !!!!!

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
19/02/2012 13:32

I think you case win or loose may depend on who you are actually dealing with.



TC friends of ours had a small gallery, they wanted to expand so handed over a good few K to another gallery site owner. They moved onto the new site, then the previous owner came with the police and threw them off. No refund nothing. They are not happy boys. I'm sure they won't leave it at that but they are still out of pocket!



Just shows its not just us Brits who suffer here.

Cypriot4x4


Joined: 16/07/2011
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
20/02/2012 20:39

@blade



either matters are different then you know and wrote here or there was a abuse of power by the police.



by the way inequity is not something only for Brits or foreiners...