Syria an absolute disgrace, the UN should hang its head in shame

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 06:15

Nobody can have failed to notice the bloodshed in Syria, and yet the UN make resolutions and nothing else.

America the self appointed World Police standby.



And yet they were all to quick to go into Iraq, provide military aid in Libya I just don't understand why they ignore Syria.



OH! its just dawned Syria has little oil



Someone has to do something maybe Turkey?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 07:20

And those UN resolutions mean nothing

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 08:44

And those UN resolutions are vetoed by Russia and China for purely financial/political reasons and those two nations should hang their heads in shame...

The UN is past its sell by date....

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 09:10

Time to call the organisation the Ununited Nations

carian


Joined: 13/03/2009
Posts: 336

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 09:13

Have to agree with Groucho, seeing the news coverage on tv, the Russians & Chinese must feel really proud of themselves (not!)

ImnEr


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Posts: 76

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 11:09

Noy enough oil for Uncle Sam to worry about me thinks

SWCathy


Joined: 22/11/2011
Posts: 292

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 11:41

the reports today show it is getting worse. Something needs to be done. Sadly with the financial situation and military cuts and military costs re Libya etc there appears to be no will to address this problems. The Syrian People are abandoned by the world while their government bombs them.

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 761

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 11:43

I wonder of this is more to do with the fact that Assad hasn't ever threatened the west, or it's allies, poses no threat to western stability, and therefore has not been lined up for regime change, and he looks like a really nice chap on TV, I think maybe he's just a little misunderstood

Assad has a strong ally in Russia

China and Russia are militarily speaking in each others back pockets

The United States of Paranoia has no interest in the place so will not exercise their 'do as we say, not as we do' dictation

The EU should not get involved, it's not EU ................ yet, maybe after Turkey! lmao!

Tunisia sorted out things as they wanted it by themselves

Egypt remains under military rule as it has been since the assassination of Sadat in '68, and always will be, they just haven't figured it out yet

But aside from maybe a little tongue in cheek, if a few thousand people took to the streets with guns in the US or the EU, wouldn't the military be called in?

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
10/02/2012 12:00

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30479.htm

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 12:12

Its horrifying to see what is happening.



Syria has a large army of 325,000 soldiers, and they are operating in densely populated zones. Only the US can take them on, and the yanks have no more stomach for long campaigns. Obama also knows that the big, long and bloody conflict with Iran could be just around the corner. Ideally the US does not want to be distracted from rebuilding its economy, and they are on their way to energy self sufficiency with shale gas. They should achieve this by 2020.

Turkey will be frustrated that its Sunni brothers are being terrorised (and that a neighbor they were hoping to sell to is in turmoil), however it knows that conflict with Syria means hundreds of Turkish casualties.



The strategy seems to be 1) put pressure on the russians 2) hope that the syrian army disintegrates and 3) that the Arab league sorts it out. Success in the last option would be best , but extremely unlikely.



Unfortunately, many more Syrians will die.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 12:17

British educated dictators ................................supported by the Russians/Chinese !



The British banking system keeping the Syrian government afloat behind the scenes moving their money around for them !



The Europeans still buying oil from them at the same time lambasting them !



The Americans praying that Assad will survive in the hope of stopping Iranian expansion while meekly rebuking in front of the media !

babydoll


Joined: 27/07/2011
Posts: 140

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 12:31

of topic a bit but if this scenario happened in America how do you think the government would deal with it.

cinders


Joined: 08/10/2011
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 17:12

Very sad I agree but we need to keep our noses out, why is it a UN problem ? Regime change by the West just means thousands of more lives lost, Bush and Blair proved that in Iraq, in fact they took us to war on a pack of lies they both should be on trial at the Hague on war crime charges. Keep out of it let them sort themselves out.

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 17:10

We have many friends in Syria please think about them in these difficult days.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 17:31

Message 13

How in the name of Humanity can we keep out of it, innocent people are being slaughtered by their own government, they are being starved and bombed out of their homes, women, children, babies and old people included.

The world cannot turn a blind eye to this, someone must have the courage to say ENOUGH.The USA and the UK were quick enough to deal, as they saw fit, with Saddam, what is so different now.

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 20:16

as terrible as this situation is i refuse to believe that the answer to this will be British or American intervention, we have seen enough bodies arriving home in body bags from overseas conflicts, this is one for the arab league.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 20:55

hattikins, I sympathise with your feelings over this. But in the case of Libya the UN Security Council resolution allowed NATO intervention. In the case of Syria, intervention was vetoed by Russia and China. They are now part of the problem for their own selfish reasons and hidden agenda's.

The days when illegal unilateral military action was taken against a sovereign country by western forces are thankfully long gone. We now leave that to repressive regimes such as Russia, China, Israel North Korea et al !.

Of course, if the Arab League care to intervene then no doubt that will be supported diplomatically at least by the UK/USA.

Mambosun


Joined: 27/05/2011
Posts: 112

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 21:04

Sad that' s all man is about greed what a sad world it is when there's enough for all, god help us he gave us everything and look what man has done to it????

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 21:08

I've always wondered why since a little girl i've got far more respect for animals than man?

it's not rocket science is it. and what slimeballs i've met in the TRNC all English would u believe?

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 21:10

Re: Msg 17,

"But in the case of Libya the UN Security Council resolution allowed NATO intervention. In the case of Syria, intervention was vetoed by Russia and China..."



Russia and China vetoed the introduction of tougher sanctions against Syria, not the INTERVENTION.

There was never a vote on military intervention.

As ilovecyprus mentioned above, the USA (and the UK) have no intentions to intervene and take on a 325,000-strong Syrian army, which is well trained and equipped by Russia.

CyprusNow


Joined: 16/07/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 21:23

Here is your answer:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 21:23

Message 19



totally uncalled for remark.

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 23:06

bazzagirl tell all the relatives of the ENGLISH that have paid with their lives to give you the right to live in freedom what you think !

DesiH


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 23:24

Hopefully below you will find a list of SOME of the US Security Council Vetoes. Puts the recent Russian and Chinese vetoes into perspective, I think.



http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/4237/us-on-un-veto_disgusting-shameful-deplorable-a-tra

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
12/02/2012 01:14

I thought everyone knew that the US was the "master race".

Trouble is we have been adopting their attitudes and ideals for a long time - sadly!!!

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
12/02/2012 12:44

the devil you do the devil you dont



usless nations

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 14:31

Re: Msg 1,

But what can be done? It looks like not a lot.

Over the weekend there were many heated discussions in the press whether the West should intervene, and the only conclusion was that ignoring Syria isn't an option.

Last week Russia's foreign minister Sergey Lavrov extracted a promise from Assad that he would cooperate on any plan that stabilises Syria. But soon it became clear that this included only an Arab League proposal to start a dialogue, release the prisoners and to withdraw the army from the areas of protests.

The EU will pass a 12th round of sanctions, but there are already so many sanctions in place that it will make no difference.

Authorising the use of NATO air power? That was seen as too dangerous.

To send in troops? Syria's army is too strong and too close to Iran and the Syrian opposition is fragmented.

So many have agreed that the only option left is for Washington to deal with Assad.

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 14:32

So "negotiations now, rather than war later" could lead to a far better outcome.