Surely the English deserve their own First Minister like the rest?

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 12:29

Would anyone like to help with the following e-petition to see if we can get 100,000 signatures and get MPs forced to discuss the Creation of an English First Minister, Government and Parliament.

Click here to sign http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/28819

yrret


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 13:12

Isn't 'prim' the same as 'first'

The position is only there for the others to humour the dissadvantaged.

AndyR



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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 13:19

Agree totally walkerscott.

I'm a Scottish Nationalist but that doesn't mean I'm anti-English/Welsh/Northern Irish. It does mean that I have solid reasons for believeing that all the countries that currently make up the United Kingdom would be better off in every way as independent states.

CyprusNow


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 14:17

England would certainly better off without them. Sooner the better we are rid of the lot and have proper border controls.

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 14:57

Thank You AndyR. It would be nice if all Scots, Welsh & Irish would push for the English to be represented as they are. Everything else could remain virtually the same with full cooperation on Uk matters.

Geejay


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 15:56

Do you seriously want to establish yet another layer of bureaucrats troughing out of our taxes ?.

The end result of 'independence' for the countries making up the UK is complete separation a la Salmon. He will not stop until Scotland is no longer part of the UK.



The UK is not broke so why try to fix it !. History has shown that we are stronger politically and economically acting together than as separate countries.

setpot


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 16:28

History has shown nothing of the sort. The sooner England is free of the Welsh and Scottish spongers the better off we will be. We no longer need either of them. They have served their purpose so let's be rid of them.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 16:53

'CyprusNow



'England would certainly better off without them. Sooner the better we are rid of the lot and have proper border controls. ''



What do you mean "we" . Your location is Alsancak ,so nothing to do with you what the English or Scots do or dont do in their own country.Just as its nothing to do with the Scots or English with what should be done with the borders in Cyprus, thats your concern.



Ditto Setpot of Lapta, "England is free of the Welsh and Scottish spongers".Since when has Lapta been in England.

When half the Brit tax dodgers in NC stop stealing from the taxman ,then you can start talking about spongers. THEIR taxes are certainly not being used for spongers.



Anyway enough problems to solve where you live without getting involved with other peoples far away in UK.

Aljanyoung


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 18:03

Message 7 - you should get your facts right before posting on a public forum. I also agree with AndyR, all 4 nations should have their own representation, I can't speak for the Welsh but the Scots are definately not spongers - London and the SE gets a higher subsidy than anywhere other than Northern Ireland.

BillBarnacle


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 19:20

Msg 9



The sweaties are not spongers - are you having a laugh. It is a country of 5 million but with only 300k taxpayers. They moan about anything and everything. If Salmond has any sense he will insist on the English being allowed to vote also as this is the only way he will achieve independence when we invite them to leave.



If and when they do they can have the oil and gas that falls within their sea area following the line of the land border but at the same time they can have the debt of RBS royal bank of SCOTLAND and HBOS halifax bank of SCOTLAND



Finally when we are free of their incessant moaning we can adopt European standard time to enjoy long light evenings leaving the sweaties to wallow in their damp dark gloomy country which WE the English will no longer have to pay for

rowlo



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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 19:44

i hope the idiot salmond waits until the trams in edinburgh are up and running , otherwise we will need a bailout similar to that of the greeks .

yrret


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 20:38

#11

ken ........... LMAO!

girne 29


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 20:49

message 10

"Finally when we are free of their incessant moaning we can adopt European standard time to enjoy long light evenings"



What , you want European standard time.thats rich coming from a nation that despises anything to do with Europe and its people. Well at least while you are knocking the Welsh and Scots it takes the pressure of the rest of Johnny Foreigner world.



Allanyoung is right You in London get a bigger handout from taxpayers per head of population than Scotland or Wales,and thats not counting the quantitive easing and baleouts to the City of London spivs .If you want Scotland to pay back the RBS baleout ,no problem ,as long as Scotland gets back every penny of tax RBS paid including bonuses to the UK Exchequer .over last 20 years.

Spongers ,dont make me laugh,



"Finally when we are free of their incessant moaning" Who moans contantly about sponging Scots,Welsh Irish,Nazi Krauts, Cowardly Frogs,lazy Wops stealing our money,brown skinned immigrants etc

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 20:55

Geejay, msg 6 .....

The UK is broken. It is broken because a significant number of its population want independence for their own nations. It is broken because we have a deficit that we can't control. It is broken because we have a Border Force that has failed miserably to protect our borders. It is broken because more of our youth are unemployed than work. The list goes on and on.

However, for some reason, wanting to take control of and responsibility for our own country is somehow seen as a threat to the other member states of the United Kingdom. Perhaps if the cynics stopped looking at what they perceive to be the negative effect on the UK and started looking at the positive effect this would have on England or Wales or Northern Ireland thay might start to see both the logic and the sense in Independence.

AndyR



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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 21:00

BillBarnacle msg 9 .....

Insults are last reply of ignorance when it can't find anything to say.

However, thank you for calling my fellow Scots and I 'sweaties'. It's a badge I'll wear with pride as we are indeed a nation of hard workers!

fryingpan


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 21:14

theres only one Maradona!!

newscoop


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Message Posted:
22/02/2012 23:50

The south east including London just on it's own would be the 6th largest economy in the world.



It is that area that subsidizes the UK.

setpot


Joined: 20/02/2012
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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 15:00

Aljanyoung



My facts are correct. The sooner the English are rid of the Scottish, Welsh and Irish the better. They served there purpose during the time of Empire building but those days are long gone. We don't need cannon fodder any more so best to dump them.

jock1



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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 15:05

about as funny as a week old dose of the clap

setpot


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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 15:07

jock1



Funny? I am being very serious. Sooner you are all hived off the better. Then you will all have to learn how to earn a living for yourselves.

jock1



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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 15:20

yea you got us all sussed.

setpot


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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 15:27

One thing that is very funny indeed is that a greater percentage of English want the Scots to have independence that the Scots do. Must tell us something. You'd think the Scots would have more pride. Just shows how "money talks."

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 15:33

As a result of all this one thing is already in the planning stages. Future savings in the army will be coming from the Scottish regiments with those who want to be retained being transferred to English regiments. Many other adjustments are now in the pipeline. When the Scots realise what has been put in train Salmon will be gone.

jock1



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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 15:50

what a lot of nonsense...

setpot


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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 16:16

Makes sense to me. Why ever wouldn't they do that. If that Scots are going to want "their" regiments back why on earth would the English do anything else but let them waste away.

jock1



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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 16:25

just where on earth do you get your information...lol

jock1



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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 16:26

tpot im not biting ..

AndyR



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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 16:37

Setpot, msg 18 .....

You refer to the English and empire building. You're correct, the English did indeed build a global empire on which the sun never set.

They did it using political and military force, violence and terror. Having done so, they exploited the indigenous peoples for profit, inflicted their standards and religion upon them (inventing concentration camps in South Africa on the way) and then when the whole system became obviously unsustainable 'granted' these countries independence, leaving a trail of social and economic destruction in their wake that survives to this day.

I'm NOT anti-English, but please don't mention the Empire as if it was something to be proud of.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 17:09

setpot , are you related to alex salmond ? you sure talk the same rubbish as him .

setpot


Joined: 20/02/2012
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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 17:18

AndyR



I didn't mention the Empire as if it was something to be proud of. As it happens it was the largest Empire the world has ever seen but it is gone now. I agree with everything you said except for the fact that though we had concentration camps we did not "invent" them. There was indeed a great deal of angst among the government and the authorities about the camps. It was not quite as simple as you might think.



Nevertheless, it is over now. There is another future now and for it we don't need the Scottish, Welsh and Irish hangers on any more so let's get rid of them. I am simply taking a practical approach to England's future.



It is just an inescapable fact that the "provinces" are no longer useful and we can't afford the burdain they represent so time to chuck them overboard.

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 19:07

Setpot, msg30 .....

It may shock you to hear this, but regarding Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as provinces to be used for English benefit and then discarded when that perceived use no longer exists is exactly the attitude that held sway in the 'empire'.

It's one of the primary reasons that England has lost its reputation in the world. Attempts to portray England as some kind of world force with global influence are, in the 21st century, laughable.

I can only speak as a Scotsman, but I do so with pride. My country has the recognised ability to stand on its own 2 feet in every way. As a scotsman, I'll accept that success (or failure) without resort to using other nations resources of any kind. We'll make our own future.

Nor will Scotland sink to the level of viewing other countries as a means to an end. Like most Scots I hope for an independent future where all the nation states of the UK co-exist and prosper peacefully. No nationalistic insults will be necessary to achieve t

AndyR



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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 19:09

cont .....

No nationalistic insults will be necessary to achieve this. We'll do it through hard work.

setpot


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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 19:19

AndyR



Don't be so sensitive. You shouldn't take a simple statement of the facts as an insult.



Here is a fact.



We English don't want to be associated with you Scottish, Welsh or Irish any more. That is not an insult it is a fact.



I don't feel insulted by the 38% of Scots who want independence, I only wish it was 83% but then you lot know which side your bread is buttered, don't you?

aussiejock



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Message Posted:
23/02/2012 22:14

AndyR message 31

totally agree with you, we will through hard work achieve our Independence and secure our future, it's uneducated people like setpot that make it all sound so bad , they are only to be ignored as quite ignorant and only to be left alone in their own little world, why is there so much venom from those people, I do not hate the English, they were a great nation who owe a lot to Scotland, as we owe to England, but the time has come to go our own way, and I hope that whole of England will wish us well in our endeavors to achieve a healthy future,





Robert

walkerscott


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Message Posted:
26/02/2012 12:11

It now appears that, after months of delay, that the English are to be snubbed and unrepresented on the Government's West Lothian Question Commission. The West Lothian Question ("WLQ") is that, deliberately opaque, phrase used by the British Establishment to talk about the 'English Question' without mentioning the "E" word.

http://robintilbrook.blogspot.com/2012/01/english-unrepresented-on-governments.html

This surely is not democracy ... I think the Welsh, Scottish & Northern Ireland MPs should purposely abstain when matters relate only to England, if only just to show their support for the English ...

Ian37


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Message Posted:
27/02/2012 11:14

The problem with most English, Irish, Scots and Welsh is that they all complain about everything without having real facts from the Public Expenditure Statistics. The areas responsible for the largest contribution to the UK economy are London, The South East and then Scotland!

It is a total nonsense to have a Scottish parliament, adding another layer of cost to the UK. Alex Salmond is just a power crazy individual and Tony Blair and his pal Alistair Darling should be shot for every having allowed it. What has it resulted in: more copy for papers like the Daily Mail who publish one paper in England and watered down copy in Scotland to stir up trouble. Why should people who live in certain post codes in England not be able to get prescription drugs for life threatening illnesses that if they lived elsewhere they would get. Likewise why should my English grandchildren have to pay to go to Uni while my Scottish granchildren get if for free. We are British!!!!