Deported or Not ? Pauline Read ! ?

spider


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Message Posted:
07/03/2012 11:30

Sometime I wonder if this might happen. They the'' police ''could just turn up and ask her to go with them.''Never to be seen again ! '' She has been arrested as we all know and the computer kept.? How would you all feel living with this fear ! Or the fear that someone '' A bank '' could just turn up at your door saying '' We own this and are changing the lock. Out in 30mins thank you ! ''



Pauline is the one getting taken to court time and time again. And every time she is fighting the injustice that has been caused to herself and to other. And as I see it putting the foundation down for the future of many victims yet to suffer the same fate as herself and K5. Who know's when the next auction will be ! and what bank will start the proceeding that follows.



The bank I understand are recommending her deportation under some '''Law 105'' Is there such a law ! Hmm. Please if you know anything about this law is there a change in your view they will deport her.



Please cont~~

spider


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Message Posted:
07/03/2012 11:38

Please can you just post positive postings if you want to be rude and are not in support of pauline Read start your own thread.



I do feel Pauline has a lot of good support and is constantly getting interviews with important people who support her.



Its my view that she should not get deported as she has done so much so far. The problems will not go away and it takes a good strong personality to continue this fight with regards to the terrible property problems that are here.



Thank goodness we rent,but our landlord could be the next victim or you ! who knows ?



Thanks for any help in support of Pauline.



Spider,X

hwilde


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Posts: 230

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 12:50

Spider



You say "the same fate as herself and K5."



Her situation and that of K5 are not the same. She has been awarded compensation by the court, the K5 have not and stand to simply lose their homes and the money they invested.



Lumping them together does a disservice to the K5 who just wish she would shut up and mend her own business. She has done considerable harm to their cause by her activities.



Before you comment you should ask the K5 what they think of being on the receiving end of her "support."

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 13:43

As I understand it she was one of the K5 and fought her case to be awarded compensation. Yet to be received. Therefore now her case is separate from k5. I also understand everyone is aware of this. Where in my posting have I said she is still fighting along side or with the K5. tut,tut,...Please can you say if you are one of the k5 and if perhaps they all feel she should be deported. tskkk. ! I guess you must be for to have posted that I should ask one of them ?



I stated a simple fact that she continues to fight for the good of many to who come behind her,and if her fight for justice is and may help the k5 to me that is good news. Please start your own thread asking if she is in some way causing damage to K5 with her continued fight to get the TRNC government to be knowledgeable and supportive in the property problems here.



The question was should she be deported because she and others are fighting the injustice of the banks here. We all invest our money here !



Spider,X

blade


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Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 13:47

The whole situation for these people K5 & Pauline is very bad , but fighting each other is not the way forward.

Computers have ears and they are best left to sort it out among themselves instead of anyone taking sides or pointing the finger of blame.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 13:49

"

Computers have ears"



Quote of the week .

spider


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Message Posted:
07/03/2012 13:54

As always Phil



We hear what you are saying.



Very little it seems on your viewpoint though !!!!!!! Do you know about the Act 105 ?





Spider,X

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 15:28

Harry or H***** you have no idea of what you are talking about. Awards mean nothing until they become cash, Pauline's has not had the award 2 years and 3 months after receiving the worthless piece of paper.

Eva McCluskey and Pauline are the two who have no money and no villa.

Whether you like it or not Pauline is a member of the litigants taking the bank to the domestic courts and the ECHR. The bank have tried unsuccessfully to have her removed. in the The other litigants are fighting their eviction cases and she wishes them success, thes are all of course separate cases for each villa.

Eva and Pauline do not have such cases to fight since they both had their villas broken into and taken.

Your information varies greatly to what she is being told. Today in a conversation with Richard Barclay, Richard expressed his satifaction at the amount of publicity Pauline had achieved and commented that a very prominent member of the consultancy team said that this case must not be foug

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 15:31

cont. fought in the dark.



Pauline is facing Writs and threatened deportation. Rejoice if it makes you feel better. You clearly are a very disturbed individual, Pauline asked me to express her good wishes to you for a speedy recovery.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 15:37

In fact Richard Barclay of K5 is having a great success with publicising the case in the International media - http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2012/03/07/todays-zaman-publicises-the-kulaksiz-v-akfinans-bank-case/

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 15:45

And to prove that they are working together, how do you think it appeared on NCFP. Unity against the common enemy ---- the bank.

astro941


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Posts: 193

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 17:46

Spider, Simple and loud NO!





hwilde, 'THE PROBLEM WON'T GO AWAY, THE TRUTH SHAN'T, WON'T AND CAN'T BE BURIED. '

a quote from one of your previous posts, not the same subject but it also applies to the case of Pauline Read. Do I detect in your post that you woulld like Pauline Read to be deported. I would be interested where you bank account is here but that is rude,personal and presumptive, just like your post.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
07/03/2012 18:17

astro941 Thank you from Pauline, she really does not want to leave the country she loves.

daisy dukes


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Message Posted:
07/03/2012 21:12

@ Spider msg7...I do believe there are several acts 105, one having to do with the death penalty..To what act are you referring to directly, and to what relevance does it have to this thread?



Please make yourself a tad more clear for us mere mortals...





DD

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 21:18

Msg7, I do not care

I live in the same country as "mummyincyprus"

remember her ?

the one you tried to help then got banned

or was it a "one too mant wine nights"



HIC



where you the member asking for her article from the Telegraph newspaper ?

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:23

Remember Polly

Turkey has more journalists in jail than China

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:49

philbailey (mess 16)



Are you trying to frighten Polly?

CuddleKins


Joined: 11/02/2012
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:51

re msj 16 - no i thinks hes just trying to be funny as usual hehe.... :p

Jonholmes


Joined: 08/11/2011
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:54

Am I naive here are all these names the same person, and why is she is trouble .Do they write for a newspaper or web site . I am a little bit confused , maybe it is just me being dumb .

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 23:49

Daisy message 14 re; Act 105. Its something to do with the bank wanting Pauiline Read deported because she has to the best of understand spoken out about the bank. That keep taking her to court. The same one that now has the key to the property she paid good money for ! Act 105 could be because she is naming and shaming them ! Well I think most people would in her case ! I know I would. ! ..As stated above she has not received any money from the loss of her purchase of a villa she once owned and now the bank apparently own all of K5 ? and I have been told are asking the few left living in their villas that the banks want £55,000.00 from each of them..here is a link below that might be of some interest to some members on here.

http://agabuyersactiongroup.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/in-north-cyprus-pauline-read-expresses-her-outrage-against-akfinans-bank/



Con't

spider


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Message Posted:
07/03/2012 23:55

Now going back to the original question. Should she be deported for fighting for the rights of many victims here and for getting the government to listen to their plight.



Many have gone back home tried of the fight and having lost so very much. Others wait as they have no choice.



How long is a a ball of string you might say. But is Pauline Read getting enough support from the members on 44 ? I have been reading this with interest and have to say I see very little. '' Shame on you''



Spider,X

astro941


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Posts: 193

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 00:19

Spider,



I agree with your Ms25. I do not agree with the posters here who think the issue and the stance of Pauline Read is humerous but I suppose shame is an easy mantle to adopt. As for fear I cannot imagine the emotional range one must go through when fighting such a fight and the back stabbers here may have a hidden agenda to highlight negative things like fear.



Imagine someone coming to you house and evicting you for a reason that you have not been party to. Now imagine the feelings of Pauline Read who has all ready endured that and still she fights on, ignoring her vulnerability to these oafs.



Join the ever growing group of people who support her must the way forward. Not to do this only gives a green light to the oppressors here.



What do they say 'If a good man stays silent, evil to prevails'

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 00:47

pollymarples



"Thank you from Pauline, she really does not want to leave the country she loves. "



Why do you talk about yourself in the third party?

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 00:56

hwilde.



Are you one of the k5 ?



Maybe just Google. Confusssssed.com. Do you know how to start a thread ? with a title too.



I guess you are not in support of Pauline Read ? So leave the thread. Easy !



Good night. Spider,X

astro941


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Posts: 193

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 01:31

hwilde,



You really have a fast brain, not.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 07:14

You have to understand that hwilde is not hwilde that hwilde in another guise joined a thread trying again to smear Pauline. setpot was banned for life for his part. For some reason they wanted me to say breaking the law was okay, it is not and I would never condone it. Pauline I am sure would never condone it. Perhaps a good way to loose weight for this poster would be to get rid of the chip off her/his shoulder. I strongly suspect if the bank or their advocate started A SMEAR campaign thread here h/she would join in too. Such is her hatred of Pauline that she tells lies too. Kulaksiz 5, litigants do not always agree on things, on one thing they are totally as one, they recognise the common enemy and are united not only in the cases against them but in their determination to fight them and WIN. If you really want to smear Pauline's name hwilde I suggest you start another thread in this name or one of your many identities and see how long this violation rules lasts.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
08/03/2012 07:30

For those who are not aware, there was a smear campaign in the form of a Press Release in a lot of Turkish language newspapers last Friday. Some were a whole page. The usual misinformation about Pauline Read was given, they used the word LOVER for her partner and MISTRESS for her when describing the relationship between them in an attempt to make it sound lurid to the reader. They have in fact been together for 28 years and it appears to me a very loving and stable relationship. They have now extended the alleged ATTACK with a basball bat by her partner the original lie, to include her and it is now a vicious attack by both of them using baseball bats. As you can see, their imagination has run riot and they do publicly ask the government to deport her under law 105 (scary if it does include the death sentence) If people like hwilde want to add more to her troubles, there is nothing she can do to stop them. If the bank cannot silence her one way, they mean to do it another

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
08/03/2012 09:50

Anyone got the e mail address for Halkin Sesi ??

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
08/03/2012 11:17

More lies and half truths in Halkan Sesi yesterday.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
08/03/2012 12:51

Not much to be said I guess.

spider


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Message Posted:
08/03/2012 13:35

I have tried looking on Google for the Act 105 Ahhh. All I can say is '' Never give up never give in ''



http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2012/03/08/pauline-read-has-touched-a-nerve-in-akfinans-banks-boardroom/



And very well put Peter Wright.





Spider,X

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 16:57

Thanks spider, great write up Peter.



I have, I think now found the e mail address for Halkin Sesi.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 08:21

Pauline conducting an experiment. She wont let me tell you more. Nothing dangerous.

birdman



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Message Posted:
09/03/2012 10:40

If AKFINANS have publicly stated that you and your partner attacked them with baseball bats then they have committed libel ! Even in TRNC that is against the law and they can be sued for stating such an accusation.



Many of the other lies they have stated publicly about Pauline Reed can also be proven to be vicious/malicious propaganda, and as such is also subject to litigation by her.





Huge public support should be given to Pauline as although she is fighting for herself, the ramifications of her case , can and will touch many other people who will also find themselves in the same boat as her, should she lose her case.



To all those sat back watching Pauline take the flack while you do nothing to assist her plight, shame on you, that is being a parasite, sucking on her blood while keeping below the parapet yourselves. Thank your lucky stars that SHE is championing all your causes. If SHE goes, is deported, you all deserve to loose too because you have done nothing to help he

tomsteel


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Message Posted:
09/03/2012 10:48

Msg 34 - fully supported view.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
09/03/2012 11:08

birdman (mess 34)



Fully supported by me too!



I know how lonely Pauline must feel sometimes, especially when the likes of certain members try to discredit her!



But I know she will "Never Give up Never Give In" whats the alternative? very frightening for any alien living there!

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 14:27

Headline of Article (Press Release) in Halkin Sesi date 2 March 2012 says



Pauline should be deported.



It goes on to say she should be watched by the authorities as she is an undesirable person and should be deported (this is as near as possible translation).



Why? Because she dared tell the Bank they were wrong? You are right birdman if they deport Pauline what future for all those with mortgages waiting in the mortgage queue? Rights we take forgranted to argue when someone takes something from you, seems if you speak up, they will silence you one way or another.

hwilde


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Posts: 230

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 15:32

pollymarples/pauline



Why do you talk about yourself in the third part?

tomsteel


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Message Posted:
09/03/2012 15:36

Msg 38 - stop this repeat mantra and shut the f--- up! You add nothing to the debate with this drivel.

hwilde


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Posts: 230

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 16:18

tomsteel



Now now Tom.



I am interested to know why someone would constantly talk about themselves in the third party. Aren't you?

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 16:46

birdman very well said.



hwilde again I ask you are you one of the K5 ?



I talk of Mr Spider but he is not a spider lol





Spider,X

tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 16:58

1st, 2nd, 3rd person or via a pseudoynm, I do not care. The thrust of the debate is the important issue here. No bank should be able to act in this despicable manner and the TRNC Government should use its authority to punish it, not the innocent victims of a mass fraud.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 17:45

Do the government care ? Hmm, I do know that Pauline has a great deal of support and she/they are trying to do their best for the good of the people. Least we forget !



http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/10/29/in-cyprus-today-29102011/



http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/03/31/north-cyprus-property-problems-kulaksiz-5-website-launched-at-www-kulaksiz5-com/



Remember this when the bank paid the K5 water bill ? Lets not forget that they have just had to fight to get their electric put back on just the other week during our terrible cold spell !



If we had no media and no forums we would have now news good or bad. !



JMHO. Spider,X

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 18:20

I am not wilde ABOUT harry because I know extactly who he/she is, however the big picture is far more important and the big picture is that if you complain, if you dare question, you may well be deported. If this is allowed, then Pauline Read may well be the first, but she will not be the last. Harry dear, go lie down in a darkened room, think nice thoughts and ask yourself, if whateveryou think Pauline Read did to you, whether real or imagined, does she deserve to be deported for it? Then ask yourself if you may not be the author of your own problems. Sleep well Harry, you too are not centre lof the universe, only the centre of your own paranoia. I feel so sorry for you.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
09/03/2012 18:28

You may not like Pauline Read, hell even she knows she is not easy to like. But does she lie, does she worry about who she might offend. Does she speak the truth? You may all have your opinions about that. The bank certainly does, but when push comes to shove, who would you rather have your back, Pauline Read or the Bank?.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 18:54

Lets get this thread up to 50 and get hot, because believe me when I tell you HOT really describes how Pauline Read feels.

birdman



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Posts: 690

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 18:56

hwilde,





You must be the thickest person currently on this forum !



pollymarples is at liberty to say what she likes and defend Pauline Reed to her hearts content if she chooses.

Pauline Reed is the target of AKFINANS bank (bank in small letters!) and she is being ostracized by that bank and harassed almost daily to try and break her moral. Pauline Reed is not at liberty to harass the bank, can you not get that into your thick skull ? (or are you just being deliberately stupid ?)



Get off her back you cowardly idiot and pick on someone of your own ilk .



Gerry

tomsteel


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Message Posted:
09/03/2012 19:02

birdman, sakin düşünceler benim arkadaşım. hwilde is on a different planet. How are those lovely hounds I met at the Court?

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 19:12

birdman.



I remember meeting you and your dogs when we both went for a walk around the k5 area,when the bank had just put up their cameras..Now I wonder why they needed to do that ? Perhaps they thought a group of old people were going to '' smile for them ! ''



I do believe there is some very important news to be announced soon. Hmm. Maybe Polly will keep everyone guessing ? Hushhhh now Polly they all might like to know



Spider. X

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 19:17

Remember 2109 view's here and over 1450 members of the facebook page in support of all the victims here.



Hushhh Polly you might get deported and do the members on 44 care ?



I am a renter but I do care when I see and know that people suffer !



Spider,X



I think that makes it 50 and a hot

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 19:25

Another headline in Halkin Sesi a couple of days ago, heading if correctly translated seems to say



Pauline Read Legal/Justice analysis. I will reserve comment until I get a translation.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 19:49

Will there be even a mention that a British person is being threatened with deportation in Cyprus Today tomorrow. Let us no hold our breath.

ronjeremy


Joined: 07/03/2012
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 20:56

I have to ask one question did the person concerned once own or rent in the ROC, if so did they not know the risks.

After saying that I wish you all the best maybe it will stop someone else being shafted .

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 21:51

mess 53



What are you trying to suggest? please be explicit instead of innuendo's! Do YOU know what YOU mean?



"Shafted" is a word I thought had gone underground in the TRNC! Everyone now lives happily ever after in "Airy Fairy Land" and as for the other side of the border the ROC Everyone now lives happily ever after in "La La Land" but we don't talk about that here!



As for "Risks" for goodness sake! Do Your Homework! and their will be No Risk in Airy Fairy or La La Land! us aliens will have our deeds complete with permission to purchase either side of whatever you want it to be?



Cyprus is such a peaceful Country for retirement, for work, for children, for charity and for animals

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 22:01

Now what a strange and very undiplomatic question for a diplomat from houston, would that be houston texas and such a new member (or is that this time around?)



What has the previous living arrangements of anyone got to do with their present problem? Bringing the old GC chestnut in is about to backfire on you old son. To my knowledge several of the K5 victims have lived in the south ron. Your point has just turned round and pricked you. In fact many home owners in North Cyprus once owned or rented in the south, again what is your point in relation to this problem? This is case of being shafted by TC's , Gc's are the least of the problem. Now if you are a diplomat, I am the Queen of Sheba and I am just about to drop my 7th veil, so if you are a gentleman, look the other way. Honi soit qui mal y pense.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 22:03

Well said TRNC victim, you too spotted a plant of the vegetable variety.

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 22:04

Definately a de do Ron Ron

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
09/03/2012 22:07

I met him on a Monday and my heart stood still, in the U. S Embassy, UnStable that is.

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 22:10

And Somebody told me that his name was Bill

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 22:14

Oh no, not another Bill, I cannot even pay the ones I have. He'll just have to wait till next month.



Sorry off topic, I think this one is a plant and out to start a ruck.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 22:19

Join the club polly!



How dare anyone suggest deporting you!



Never Give In, Never Give Up! Ever



XX

astro941


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Posts: 193

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 22:43

hwide, Recently I checked your profile, you were female the next time I checked you were male. I suppose your partner(s) or others use your handle. Why is this, can't they register themselves or is it sometimes you can't think of a reply? Or are you someone totally different? Some times in life some people have to use an alias to protect themselves!

birdman



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Posts: 690

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 23:36

Now there's a thing astro941, maybe pollymarples is an alias to protect her anonymity ? (LOL) (I agree with you)



Maybe she's a ghost-writer who is spirited in her approach to Pauline Reed?



The fact is that as Pollymarples, whoever she is, she is like Elliot Ness, one of the "Untouchables" !!



May she prosper and confuse that unmentionable bank (in small letters!)



Gerry

astro941


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Posts: 193

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 02:36

Birdman



Even the Scarlet Pimperneless.



May God and all of her supporters give her strength.

astro941


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Posts: 193

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 03:04

This is an old press release explaining a TRNC legal firms view, which may enable people who have not seen it to understand the issue:



http://agabuyersactiongroup.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/trnc-law-firm-accuses-akfinans-bank-of-breaking-property-laws/

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 07:09

TRNC vcitim They are not trying to deport me, they are trying to deport Pauline Read and I am a supporter of Pauline Read. She is not a member on here hence her supporter trying to back her.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 08:40

astro941.



Thank you for that very interesting link. So it seems that any builder that has a loan on the land he build a/some/load of villa's on and has not paid his debts the bank he borrowed his money from can/will come and stake claim to the said villa/villa's ! Well only if the do not pay their loan back and bugger off to Turkey that is ! Have I got this right !



So how do people know if their builders have done such a thing.. Are, ask a good solicitor maybe ! The one that has the interest of their client. the one that know's and tell you. The one people trust.



Thank goodness we rent. Anyone know if there might be another auction ?



Spider,X

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 10:35

Spider,



Its simple, I build, you buy, I have a word with the bank manager, he gives me a loan, you dont know about, motgage on your land and property in my name, I clear off, you pay my debt, if not they forclose, your chucked out, bank auctions, bank buys your property cheap, puts builders family in as reward. You complain bank issues writ. Someone, somewhere must be able to coin a new word for this conspirital fraud/theft. Or is it just profitable ethnic cleansing?

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 10:57

astro941



The word is "Despicable" and anywhere else in the world would be considered "Fraud"

britvic



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Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 11:36

Just for those that don't understand this yet. You buy a house (whether its a new build or a re-sale) fully pay all that is owing (and more) then the builder/Landowner puts a Mortgage on the land that your house stands on, they do not pay the Mortgage off, now the bank owns the land under your property, which means they now own your house.

If you find out about the Mortgage early on, you can negotiate a settlement (blackmail) with the builder/Landowner, if not, before you know anything your house is up for auction.

Sometimes the land is already Mortgaged before you buy and if you have a lazy (corrupt) Advocate, they will not check, in the hope you will use them to sort it out for you.



Simples! (despicable!)

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 12:24

Registration of contract is aimed at preventing mortgages being taken out on homes with existing sales contracts. The problem for many of the houses with mortgages is because they were purchased pre registration law. In other words the mortgage was found to be on the property when you applied to register your contract. Unfortunately the other reason people have found mortgages in place is because they entrusted their advocate to register the contract and this was not done, despite the client paying for the procedure. On way of preventing this from happening would be to register your contract yourself.



The real problem in Cyprus is memorandums, from which you have little protection. There are 1400 properties with memorandums in place and this number continues to increase. The most common causes for memorandums being placed on properties is the seller of the property running up debts and then using your fully paid for property as his assets to repay the debt.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 12:34

Registration does not take precedence over a memorandum and the land registry has no duty to inform you of the fact that one has been placed on your property. As memorandums work on a first come, first served basis, you can be way down the list of creditors before you discover the existence. That means the amount of money you might be entitled to, if any, is limited.



The waiting for your PTP is the usual time for this to occur because you have little protection and buyers drop their guard thinking because they have the keys and have taken residency they are home and dry.

New laws are needed to make registration of property take precedence over memorandum. The legal system has more holes than a sieve and allows the above to happen within the laws of the land.

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 13:59

If you buy before obtaining permission to purchase, which is a criminal offence, and then pay for the property without getting the title deeds you are rather laying yourself open to this sort of thing in the TRNC.



It is no good saying "Oh but if we did that we would never be able to buy or it would take too long." Well, if that is the case don't buy. Many people, including at least one on this board, stood their ground and obtained their deeds immediately.



Why on earth would anybody risk everything they have for the sake of having this villa or that bungalow?

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 14:12

Why harry, one might really think you cared, except one knows, you just dont. So if is illegal why are all the Estae Agents and Advocates not in the chokey for aiding and abetting the purchasers in a crime? Of course then there's the Tapu who allow you register your contract now without a PTP and the revenue accept stamp duty without a PTP. Just go lie down in a darkened and if you feel a little peckish eat the chip off your shoulder dear. there ...there..

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 14:14

Message 73



I am in total agreement with this statement and I too having learned the hard way, would advise this.



However the buck should certainly not stop with just the buyer. If this is the law then every advocate that has allowed buyers to purchase without adhering to this legal requirement should also be held accountable and take responsibility for breaking the law too and not acting in the interest of their clients or safeguarding their clients. Encouraging buyers to flout the laws of the land whilst supposedly being a legal expert and professional, begs belief and says much about the existing corruption to be found within the property industry.



Role Models Eh!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 14:17

You beat me to it message 74.



Some people like to divert from the real problem by blaming the victims. What a simple solution to this problem...........ENFORCE THE LAW.

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 15:05

Of course, everyone should obey the law and the law should be enforced. If it had been no one would be in the mess they are and if buyers had said, no deeds then no money the lawyers, developers, estate agents and builders would soon have found a way of delivering the deeds promptly. As it is people are paying the price for their own weakness and been taken advantage of by the unscrupulous.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 17:21

Since she did exactly what we are all be derided for by her, she cannot be taken seriously, now go train and dog or two, or look in the mirror, same end result. hwilde, you are a joke, worse than that, a very sick joke. Let me guess the lawyers, estate agent ect would have gone to the Ministry of the Interior and processed the PTP applications and everything in the garden would have been roses, and Noddy and Big Ears would have come out admitted they were gay. You stupid smug person, grow up or go and pester someone else.



Yes I admit it my post is rubbish, but not nearly so much gabage as the posts of hwilde.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 17:33

http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2012/03/10/pauline-read-responds-to-akfinans-call-for-her-deportation/



That something like this is happening in the 21st century is incredible, intimidating an old woman in this way beggars belief.

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 17:40

My view is garbage? Well you're the one with the problem.



It is very strange. If you were buying anything else you would make sure you got good title to it but because it is a house in TRNC you just throw the dice and moan when you lose.



Truth is that the evidence is there for all to see now and people are still buying houses without permission and without getting the deeds when they still part with money.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 17:43

I agree, I have learnt through experience polly that some despicable (It's my word for the day) people like to kick a woman whose working long and hard for justice, not only for herself, but for others in a similar situation! they are called bully's and are usually smug self satisfield crackpots, full of their own importance, unfortunately they manifest themselves everywhere! they are best ignored!

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 17:50

trncvictim



It is ignoring the truth that has created this situation.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 17:52

wildey, we all know who you are and your other life. So go away and wallow in your own misery, cos anyone who does what you are doing is one pathetic excuse for a human being. I can't stop you posting but from now, I am taking TRNC victims advice and ignoring you, you are a waste of space.

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 18:40

pollymarples



So you don't agree that the sensible thing to do is to get permission to purchase before buying and not to part with money until the deeds are available and transferred on payment?

ronjeremy


Joined: 07/03/2012
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 18:46

Anyone who lived in the South and/or know Cyprus and then bought exchange land has no sympathy from me.Those who tried to buy pre74 Turkish/TC who got refused PTP I feel sorry for .As for the excuse I did not know , that is crap I do research when buying a car .

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 18:51

Please read messages 1 and 2 again



hwilde Smith Maybe start your own thread on the right way to buy property here in North Cyprus.



I am sure a lot of members will listen to you. Even start one on.. Are you taking your trusted advocate to court.



Britvic I like your posting message 70 from someone who has been there.



Spider,X

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 19:10

You know spider I think you should encourage the two plants of the vegetable variety, the more they post the more we will stay at the top and no genuine victims gives a toss what they think, given they have that ability.



Any fool knows you cannot get PTP without a house for them to check out, and to get that you have to enter into a contract, so let them get on with it and let off some steam. Silly pair of b***e*.

hwilde


Joined: 16/09/2010
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 20:18

pollymarples



Then you nitwit if it is impossible to buy a house legally here don't buy one. It is not compulsory for you to throw your money away. Find somewhere to buy a house where there is a sensible risk free way.



It is not good enough for you to behave totally irresponsibly and then simply blame everyone else. You allowed it to happen to yourself. All the warning signs were there and there was quite enough precedent for you to know that the whole process was fraught with danger.



"It won't happen to me" is not a good enough reason to ignore the warning signs or was the temptation of a "cheap" house too much for you.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 20:37

Oh for god's sake hwilde Go sort out your own problems! of which I believe there are many........ no-one was more vocal than you



The whole of the bloody TRNC is fraught with danger anyone who believe's differently now in 2012 needs a brain implant!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 20:55

Is hwilde Hildy?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 21:04

Bradus



There are so many id's now who knows! but it sure sounds like her :-(

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 21:22

setpot for one?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 21:33

Woodspeckie as always one ahead of me

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 23:21

hwilde, Such constructive comment applied to a situation that you obviously do not understand nor could you explain to another persom. Your hidden agenda?

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 23:23

hwilde has been warned to stop the harassment on this post by me!

He accuses other people of not heeding warnings yet continues producing vile clap-trap. So be it



Anyone with information about the identity of hwilde, please inform my by email at my published address.



The more information you have on this person the better.



I am now getting angry, and that's not a good sign ,. This is your final warning !



Read my profile you ignorant prat, I don't take prisoners !



Gerry

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 23:35

Best thing to do (if possible) is ignore the trolls, they are after the reaction that you have just given in post 95.

Don't rise to the bait.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 23:46

Good point Vicki but what do you think to his posting ?



Knowing that you had to fight for so long to get things sorted and also cough up another fortune.



How much extra did they the bank ask you to pay. The k5 have been asked for another £ 55,000.00 !!!



Spider,X

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 00:11

Fortunately for us it wasn't the bank, it hadn't got that far, we dealt with the Landowner, I would never disclose the blackmail amount we had to pay.

As far as what the troll is saying, I would not grace them with a reply!

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 06:37

Birdman, whatever you may think of yourself, or your past, your post 95 does you little credit. This is a forum. People are allowed to have their views. A view or attitude that is different to yours is not necessarily "vile". It is just a different view. That's all. Hwilde is a woman. An old woman. Wind your neck in and either argue your points in a sensible and balanced way, or, if you're not capable of that, just ignore posts you don't agree with.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 08:17

Ms 99, Hwilde, according to her/his profile is sometime male and and some times female, does this indicate that it is time for the Nursing Home?



I agree that people should be allowed to have their opinion and different view but Hwilde comments are not in an appropriate place.



This thread is titled 'Deported or Not ? Pauline Read ! ?' A very serious issue and discussion. Hwilde is not discussing this issue and appears to have a hidden agenda to me and was advised above to start her/his own thread instead of perverting this one, and for this reason I have some empathy with Birdmans frustration.



Some times the rights of people have to be supported and not side tracked away from and I find it interesting to note that you have posted in support of Hwilde but you have not mentioned anything about Pauline Read, the subject of this thread! I have one eybrow raised.

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 08:23

How have I posted in support of Hwilde? I have posted against threats, simple as. You can keep your eyebrow raised, astro941, and are welcome to do that, but if there is a problem with a poster it should be up to the mods. Threats are, IMHO, more likely to gain a ban than someone having a spat, however unpleasant, with another poster. Simple. I feel for the victims of Kulaksiz 5.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 08:55

Anthony, you haven't. Please, Pauline would not want anyone to threaten an old woman, she knows how it feels and she is a little older than Hwilde. Her comments have caused a swell in posting which is a good thing. If she really wants to publicise her problems, she can as suggested start her own thread. Her grudge against Pauline is well known. However, I am sure even she would not want to see her deported. If her posts become too nasty I am sure the mods will step. Clearly the PTP issue is a red herring since she did not have hers before purchasing. It really does not matter, the issue here is intimidation using the threat of deportation. All else deflects from the real problem.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 08:59

Almost 3000 views and 103 comments spider obviously people are taking note.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 10:42

OOps maybe I should not have pointed out the obvious.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 13:02

I just found a very interesting link here. And was happy to read all the comments made at the time. 1119 people signed in support. I would love to see more of those comments in support today even some posted on here. Please do not forget ! Because to live in '' FEAR '' each and every day in unimaginable.



http://www.cypruspetitions.com/petition_details.php?&petition_id=30&offset=1110



This fear continues for many many members. Please at least offer your support to some who might receive comfort in a few kind works.



Spider,X

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 13:12

I wonder how many will smile at this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-zlLKvIGRk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL







Spider,X

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 13:25

Has anyone got an update on this poor chap please. :(



http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/11/27/north-cyprus-property-victims-problems-at-greenhillstatlisu/





Still living in fear. My message to Pauline Read is to stay strong.



Spider,X

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 13:44

The last Pauline heard was a very strong and determined lady purchaser on this site, has the problem in hand and at the present moment negotiations are ongoing. Having spoken to this lady, I do know there could not be a better person for the job. Go girl...

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 19:47

Still lving in fear is no way to spend the autumn/winter of your life.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 21:50

So many promises no action.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 22:16

How true,no action ! member on here are very quick to demand the return of banned members



the lynch mob attack when gossip is about ! I can just see and imagine the threads and posting if Pauline Read were to be deported ! I am sure many will have enough to say and debate ! getting their claws out no doubt ! Where are all the people today ? Waiting for her to become an example ? Of what ? either good or bad. ! http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/08/12/naming-and-shaming-of-blackmailing-builders-in-north-cyprus/



Where are all these people are they no longer members on here ? Do they all have their deed now ? Have they given up having lost so much money.



Maybe we will never know,but for sure when the chips are down and they need some help or advice,someone has trodden the road before them and made the pathway a little more clear for them.



Why is it Pauline Read has not given up,because she feels she is also helping others.



where is your voice today ?



Spider,X

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
12/03/2012 06:46

ttp://www.cyprus-mail.com/blogs/nathan-morley/day-hitler-thought-about-coming-cyprus/20120303



It is interesting that the invasion was posponed and that now the island is not ruled by tyrants and bullies, that the press is free and the judicial system is not jerrymanded (pun). So nice that old people can sit in their retirement without fear.



But what if they had come - no power cuts!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
12/03/2012 18:29

Pauline now has part of the translation of the Halkin Sesi second article, someone seems to be trying to justify what is happening in North Cyprus by saying it is happening elsewhere...Yes we have heard that one before, when did two wrongs make it right?? Beating up a man in the south, threatening to deport an old woman in the north, yes that will leave a lasting impression on all would be purchasers worldwide.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
12/03/2012 22:59

polly (mess 113)



Tell Pauline that no-where on earth apart from Cyprus is so corrupt, any victims in 2012 daft enough to pay ANY money without on transfer getting their DEEDS are just plain STUPID! How I wish someone in 2003/4 on this board had been as honest :-( Time will tell!



They can't justify what is still happening because their past victims won't let them!



and you need to wash your mouth out, we are not old, just long in the tooth, and know true corruption when it hit's others in the gob (even when they think they are sooooo clever)!



As for Pauline being deported! I wouldn't think even this ignorant Government would stoop so low! would they?

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 09:29

Who knows TRNC victim, stranger things have happened.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 09:39

TRNC Victim message 114..you said



"How I wish someone in 2003/4 on this board had been as honest :-( Time will tell!



Are you saying there is someone in particular on this board you wished had been honest, or, are you indicating that people in general, on the board of Cyprus44, should have been forewarned ....Cyprus44 wasn't around then but one of the MSN forums that was operating at that time, was more or less promoting Amaranta Valley, it was run by a couple called Steve and Barbara from Ozankoy. Quite a lot of people at that time was expressing concern on that particular board that there was something wrong as well as myself and I got asked "what was my problem". Unfortunately as the board became popular, people refused to accept there were issues arising and the frenzy began to buy property over there, as you well know, the rest is history.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 10:03

I think it was just a general comment brought on by frustration dalartokat, because in fact many of the problems seem to be post 2004 when greed set in with a vengeance. That said, I am sure the problems were there before then. As they say hindsight is 20/20 oh that we were all blessed with it . Lets not turn this into an argument please. dalarktokat, bearers of the truth, or a truth no one wants to hear are never popular. I think Pauline has joined your club.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 11:53

pollymarples, whose turning this into an argument its a statement and asking what TRNC Victim meant.

The problems, as you put it, only seem to start with Amaranta Valley prior to that I believe most people only rented, bearing in mind there were less people in NC(ex pats that is).



Pollymarples read my posting again and please dont assume everyone wants to argue, some of us want to understand and make our own minds up.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 12:14

dalartokat, I was not trying to cause friction and certainly do not assume everyone wants to argue, rather a sweeping statement, if anything I was trying to calm the situation not worsen it. However whenever anyone starts a sentence with 'are you saying' I get a little worried because it implies putting words into peoples mouths. Perhaps my use of the word argument was incorrect. I am happy to be corrected.

Millwall123


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 18:16

Birdman said.....



"Read my profile you ignorant prat, I don't take prisoners !"



Make this man admin now.



Love it.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 18:28

Oh birman is a lovely guy, his two dogs, well cover your throat.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 18:42

pollymarples, you said "lets not turn this into an argument" . It has to be your problem if you feel anyone that starts a statement a certain way is being argumentative or putting words into peoples mouths. There was nothing for you to diffuse in the first place., it was an enquiry. I'm sure trncvictim is/was capable of answering for herself. Please stop trying to score points whenever people start to try going outside of your box.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 19:02

dalartokat, I dont have a box, I am sure the bank would love to see me in one, preferably six foot down. I have no problem with you and and scoring points is not and has never been on my agenda. Peace and love to you. All I want is a fair deal for all the victims here and if you think differently, that is your free choice. Me I have too many other things to worry about. To errr is human, to forgive divine.

I have a great deal of time and respect for TRNC victim, I dont know you but if you are another victim onf Mr Robb, I am totally supportive of all his victims.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 19:32

Well Pollymarples, you have managed to turn something that never was. You have implied I was putting words into peoples mouths, turned a reply to a posting all about you, made an assumption about me and to top it all, also implied I was having a dig at someone. Astonishing, especially when the original posting I made was not addressed to you.



No wonder you have many things to worry about.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 19:36

well dalartokat it seems whatever I say wont please you, so here is something that will ...goodbye.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 19:37

TRNC victim I hope I didn't upset you.

SWCathy


Joined: 22/11/2011
Posts: 292

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 20:20

dalartokat:

you got in it one!!!!!

Well done!!!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 20:51

Oh dear this should be good. Guaranteed to get to 200 now. Actually she got it in four Cathy, but who's counting. Points make prizes. Woof woof.



Guess who will volunteer to pack Pauline's cases when she is deported?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 21:07

dalartokat (mess 116)





It seems Cyprus 44 has been around forever! I remember the board you are referring to, and If you tried to express your concern at that time, Thank You, I so wish I had listened! as I am sure do many more since then!



I am accused of being negative, I am, there is very little to be positive about the TRNC in 2012, it is no different than in 2003/4 and in many ways worse, as you at that time got asked "what was my problem" I am being asked that today! I am walking in your shoes! and still people are refusing to accept there are issues :-( perhaps the country will never move on, and will continue to be crippled with corruption?



I am very different to pollymarples friend Pauline! I don't love the TRNC! or the Government! or many of it's citizens, (too many lies for me), but thankfully I don't live there and never will!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 21:09

pollymarples (mess 126)



Don't worry about upsetting me! I'm very long in the tooth

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 21:11

SWCathy (mess 127)



What the hell is your problem?

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 21:23

Do you know Polly and TRNC Victim, why do you not request this thread now be closed. You are two very respected people but by answering these , you are bringing yourselves down to their level, which is not good. Just my opinion







Posted edited for offensive language , no need for it ....... Simbas

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 22:03

natalie (mess 132)



I respect your opinion!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 22:05

Sometime I wonder if this might happen. They the'' police ''could just turn up and ask her to go with them.''Never to be seen again ! '' She has been arrested as we all know and the computer kept.? How would you all feel living with this fear ! Or the fear that someone '' A bank '' could just turn up at your door saying '' We own this and are changing the lock. Out in 30mins thank you ! ''







Pauline is the one getting taken to court time and time again. And every time she is fighting the injustice that has been caused to herself and to other. And as I see it putting the foundation down for the future of many victims yet to suffer the same fate as herself and K5. Who know's when the next auction will be ! and what bank will start the proceeding that follows.



No need for anyone to debate anything ! You either support the victims or not. ! Always room for another thread ''' We do not support property victims ''



Where are all the victims and their voice or story. ?



Spider

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 22:16

Well said natalie. I will not bother to reason with anyone who comes on with an agenda any more, but to close a thread because others want it is givng in to their blackmail. I would like to see this go on to the 200 when it closes anyway, simply because it keeps the issue out there, and that is just what the bank do not want.



Now I am going to bed. So goodnight natalie, spider, TRNC victim and everyone else. x

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 22:18

Spider I totally support all that you say, but as we all know, Cyprus 44 is well watched. For Polly and others to respond on a public forum to those that try and goad them to me is belittling their cause and they are well and truly above this.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 22:22

http://agabuyersactiongroup.wordpress.com/2008/02/



This was posted way back in 2008. ? They have lost everything they came over here for ! another thread is showing Garry Robs Car !



Message 127 SWCathy If you are a victim please give everyone your story. Because I am not sure if I have heard your story as yet. Remember it might help other.



Spider,X

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 22:37

It look as if Mr Robb is going to be relieved permanently of the £1.6 m SOCO intercepted between here and Thailand. I'll be the Abag ladies are sad to hear that lol.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 22:51

nothings over till the Fat Lady Sings! I have still to hear her voice pollymarples tell Pauline, to keep right on to the end of the road!



Never Give Up, Never Give In!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 22:54

The amount of comfort eating Pauline has been doing, she certainly is getting ready to be that fat lady.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 23:11

I hope you have a loud soprano voice!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 06:24

One thing is for sure, I will be allowed to join the slimming club.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 06:56

Dalartokat, SWCathy, The post title is 'Deported or not? Pauline Read!?' Some of your pendantic postings here worry me, if its a no its a no, if its a yes its a yes. The support for Dalartokat from SWcathy is beyond belief.



SWCathy your previous post on another thread - 'Pollymarples As everyone knows especially the K5, you are the problem. If it weren't for you all this would have turned out much better. YOU are the cause of endless problems with your attention seeking and self serving...' sums it all up doesn't it. A personal grudge and personal agenda in my view.



I feel that both of you are up to no good here. So lets let the cat out of the bag, is it a yes or is it a no from you?



I say no.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 07:25

Msg 132 , edited for reason given

Simbas

Barking


Joined: 07/02/2012
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 07:30

astro941-Message 143



Until the notice informing people of the Auction appeared on Karsiyaka coffee shop door there had been NO publicity at all .



Akfinance had offered to let all the K5 buy the properties from them ( in lieu of the debt incurred by the landowners/ builder) only 1 couple took them up on this.



The bank bought the properties at a public auction.



Are people saying had pauline stayed silent the bank would not have bought the properties ?



HAD their been MORE publicity prior to the Auction then K5 might not be in the situation they are now. imho

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 07:52

Barking, in the right order please. The bank bought all the properties at auction then one couple took up their offer to buy, some time after.. No one knows how much they paid, that is their business. The offer to all on the 23rd July just a few weeks after the auction was suggested as £55,000 per property with the offer of a 20 year mortgage if they could not afford it (this in additon to what they had already paid to Kulaksiz, Pauline Read was also asked if she wanted to buy her house too. If you read NCFP prior to the auction, they covered it as soon as they knew and did a daily countdown. Pauline Read appeared on GAK TV the night before the auction and broke down in tears whilst making a public appeal to both the bank and the President to intervene to stop the auction, you all know what happened.



This ploy of saying the bank would not have bought the properties at auction if Pauline Read had stayed silent, is just that a ploy. In fact she did not become more vocal unti

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 07:59

cont. until after the auction. It is a very well known ploy, isolate the one who is giving you the most aggravation, then make everything her fault. Well she did not know about the mortgages until March 2008, she did not give money to unsuitable applicants, she did not charge 250% changed to 8o% per quarter compound, she is not ,living in her villa (the bank family are), she did not break into Eva McCluskeys villa, she did not cause the electricity to be cut off from pensioners homes. Divide AND conquer. All the K5 know that is the plan. None of us involved in litigation with the Bank are falling for it.



By staying silent, Pauline Read would have made it easier for the bank and harder for the victims.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 08:45

Barking



What do you think to this hypothesis:



A great property scam, the scam involves gagging of the press, fraud, auctions, intimidation, threat of deportation and perhaps Government members.

Barking


Joined: 07/02/2012
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 08:54

par for the course in trnc

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 09:37

TRNCvictim, thank you for your reply, all it ever was, was a statement, just that and nothing else.



To people from Message 116 onwards...I have no hidden agenda, I made a statement to TRNCvictim asking her to confirm what she meant, curiosity, that was all it was.



What pressed my "button" and made me annoyed was "Pollymarples" insinuating I was, in her words, "Lets not turn this into an argument please. dalarktokat" when the posting was not addressed to her. She continued to make assumptions about me.



Pollymarples, cast your mind back to Northcyprusfreepress where I sent you an email last year explaining to you exactly who I was and my concern and support for you. I understand that you have much on your plate and maybe cannot remember, but please think on it. What you have managed to do on this thread is character assassinate me by your assumptions without even asking first about the posting. Well your certainly becoming very good on your journalistic journey.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 09:46

.... continued from message 150......You have now continued to ridicule me by your postings and managed also to bring in another person Astro941 to make comments of "your both up to no good here" when this person knows "NOTHING" about me. I have no idea who SWcathy is.



I feel that you owe me an apology.



As for TRNCvictim I have supported in the past, the ABAG ladies, Suzi Suz and others many years ago and have always felt sympathy towards them. I knew that TRNCvictim would have answered in the way she did as I have always considered her to be the level headed, straight thinking person she is despite also, her ongoing problems.



Pollymarples, I would have felt the same about you but unfortunately now you are way down in my estimation due to your comments about me.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 12:04

dalartokat.



I am not sure if SWCathy is a victim ? I will ask her when I next take my dog to her for training.



There is no need to disagree on this thread about anything ! Are you a victim if so let everyone here what happened and how you got through your problems. It may help someone. Message 70 has. !



Have any of you any understand of what Pauline Read is going through ? If you are a victim ''what are you going through '' Maybe she is the only victim on this forum to date ? I think not.



Spider,X.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 12:25

there are 129 member on this Forum viewing and not one of you can say your views on this.



Is it unfair that Pauline Read lives with the constant fear that the banks are going to stick another rite on her,that she lives in fear of being deported. It this right or wrong.



Would you walk away ? Never forgetting that she has not received any money for her lost villa !





Its my view that she should not get deported as she has done so much so far. The problems will not go away and it takes a good strong personality to continue this fight with regards to the terrible property problems that are here.



Spider.X

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 20:25

dalarkotat, I am sorry. I did not mean to be offensive.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 20:47

Thank you Pollymarples

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 21:14

dalartokat,



I know you have been a supporter of Abag! there are few on this board that understand where we are coming from! and I will always be grateful to genuine people like you, for your knowledge of what went on with Aga!



Pollymarples problems are very different, she has to live every day with what this bloody bank is trying to do to her and the rest of K5! coupled with so many who try to discredit her reputation, I will always support her, as I feel she does for me, sometimes we don't know our friends from our enemies! It's easy to get it wrong, I have many times!



I will always grateful for your past support dalartokat (I still have to look how to spell your name)

I see she has apologised, please accept, and continue to support us sometimes daft old ladies?



I would imagine the threat of being deported is very difficult!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 21:27

Wasted my breath again :-(



some people on here will be very happy (and hope it's my last breath)



But no, I will continue to be Negative Nellie!

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 22:49

TRNCvictim, I am very aware of deportation, twice over. I have followed Pollymarples story the same as everyone else, as also your blogs, which at the present time are entering my inbox at least once a day. Sorry cannot do smilies!!!!



Message 152...whaaaaaat.........



TRNCvictim, if there is to be a next time, I think I'll email you!!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/03/2012 23:15

darlartokat



Please E Mail me anytime!

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 07:33

For those who do not know, Today there will be a court hearing for K5 at Girne District Court.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 07:42

Pauline Read is on ADA tv next wednesday.

Subject of the night will be property issues



EKOPILITIK BAKISH

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 09:29

Yorg, I heard that too last night. what time does it start? Last night they dwelt on speed cameras. I noticed it by chance and obviously I had to phone in. Sorry, don't mean to hijack this thread.

ismet

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 09:38

Once again pollymarples, may I wish all K5 the very best at their court hearing today!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 10:53

Good luck today. This will make you smile if nothing else.



Our toxic bank: It's morally bankrupt and calls clients 'muppets



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2115149/Our-toxic-bank-Its-morally-bankrupt-calls-clients-muppets-says-disgusted-British-based-Goldman-Sachs-executive-walks-out.html



The banks here may well be calling many builders ''Muppets'' But there is no need to them to be making victims of the purchasers along the way ! They paid good money for their properties here.



To all the victims here'' Never give up never give in '' Why should you !



Yes good wishes K5 and Pauline Read.



Spider,X

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 14:58

Ismet abi,re 162;



I don't know what time the programme starts to be honest as we are glued on star tv watching 'muhtesem yuzyil' every wednesday because my wife loves that series.I only cought the end of it last night,which was after 'her' programme had finnished.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 15:57

Pauline was trying to keep it quiet Yorg but unforunately the TV station announced it. I can see the Bank's lawyers pulling out all the stops to try to have it cancelled. This programme I believe starts at 8. ish and finished whenever. She has already done a couple of other TV programmes, the Genc one she accidently mentioned the Bank's name, covered her mouth with her hand and said 'oops sorry'. Before the programme finished the advocate swas on the phone saying she was not sorry, she did it lon purpose. Oh dear...what a low opinion he has of her. It would be nice if the bank took part too, I know Pauline would be thrilled.



Do not deport Pauline, she has done nothing wrong.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 16:03

pollymarbles

I did not mean to spoil it for her nor the fact that I had mentioned it here had any ill meaning.I was just trying to inform as many as possible to switch on and perhaps be involved by ringing.

ps.The programme is about property issues,and not just about Pauline Read.It includes Cypriots who have bought properties here.



I agree with your last sentence but don't think it'll change anything by writing it on here.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 19:29

Yorg, I know Pauline totally agrees with you and she is working with many such people. The big picture is the important issue. Since she was threatened (by the bank, not the govt.) with deportation she is frightened but not deterred. She is walking round singing the old Strawbs hit 'You cant get me I'm part of the Union ' what can she mean?

SWCathy


Joined: 22/11/2011
Posts: 292

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 20:52

Everyone is entitled to an opinion!

Everyone has a point of view

All should be respected!!

No need for name calling and 'put downs'

There are loads and loads of victims here not all want their situations slapped all over the forum and then slapped back in their faces.

I too am a victim but I love TRNC and I will continue to fight in a dignified manner without expecting everyone to fall in with my views. Some people have not been victims and have had successful purchases here, Thank God for them but they must be sick of tbe back biting that goes on on this forum. Victims go through enough without being slagged off on here and other on line newpapers.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 21:13

Totally agree with you Catherine.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 21:33

SWCathy (mess 169)



I think I am dignified, but I will shout from the roof tops what the TRNC has done, not only to my family but to many more especially to their health!



No need for name calling and "put downs" "you want to practice what you preach"



I have been slagged off for years , it's like water on a ducks back

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 06:35

Pauline now has more details of Wednesdays programme. It is a one hour programme in which academics talk to people like Pauline. Will she be able to keep up?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 08:51

Polly,

I may phone in and tell people how Pauline has been harassing the poor bank with her utterances. Well, at least they were poor until they bought the K5 for a song

Come to think of it, even if they got the houses for nothing, the cost to them in bad publicity must be enormous. This is a small community and whether you mention their names or not in public the word gets round. They failed miserably in Public Relations.

ismet

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 09:09

oh ismet, you say the nicest things, Pauline will give you a photo for your darts board. I have heard a certain bank already uses for f target practice.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 09:13

Did read on NCFP that yesterday's hearing for K5 v bank was adjourned at hte request (one assumes) of the bank because negotiations were taking place. Strange, none of the K5 seem to know of these negotiations. I had read in one of the diatribes between our potential Nobel peace prize nominee and the bank a suggestion that the deeds to the houses could be available but not to the land and at a price. Of course as everyone knows I am a bit slow so I could have got that wrong.

Ummm.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 10:51

http://www.ortamgazetesi.com/index.php/lang/tr/cat/249/news/13647





Head of the Constructors Union speaking out. Indirectly on topic. Sure he would not like to see Pauline deported. She has met him.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 13:58

Do not worry folks, Pauoine is well aware of the past connections of this man.

SWCathy


Joined: 22/11/2011
Posts: 292

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 23:36

Isn't that they guy who was blacklisted in the newspapers for dud cheques?

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 23:40

Not sure but I think he was involved in the Arga saga and Garry Robb. ! I could be wrong here ?



But it seems he's something to do with the unions and our to help ?





Spider,X

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 23:42

You are certainly right spider, he's notorious for giving out CD's at Property Exhibitions, and then legging it as fast as he could

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 07:56

Guess who has copies of that CD toGether with all her other paperwork IN FOUR SEPARATE locations, two sets in UK, one with her legal adviser in UK. She keeps saying she must finish her book. Don't know about his rubbery cheques Cathy. Be assured Pauline trusts no one, but if he publishes anything of use to any victim, she will reproduce it.



Yes spider, he was a Director of Aga alongside Kutsal Tokatlioglu, and Mert Guclu another Advocate still practising, and Robb of course. Mert was also Secretary. Akan Kursat had 581 shares @ 1,000,000 lira value per share, and Robb 59,419 also at 1,000,000 per share value SOURCE Details dated 06.02.2009.



They valued those shares very highly, I wonder where the money the purchasers paid went? Mus have been several million pounds.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 09:52

K5's electricity problem appears to have been solved. I say appears, because we have all seen so much backtracking and so many promises broken. I pray that it is, it is so cold and damp.



Now let us see if they can progress from here and find a solution to the whole K5 problem and to the problems of all property scam victims. Give me the moon and I'll want the stars too.



Oh just to say on topic. Dio not deport Pauline, she doesn't want to leave the country she loves.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 17:21

http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/cat/35/news/75287/PageNames/KIBRIS_HABERLERI



Seems this paper, even though it did not insult Pauline is prepared to print this. Those that insulted her and defamed her, have not. Pauline sends them a message - see you in court.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 06:56

Today Pauline accompanied a friend to the mens prison in Lefkosa, she was appalled and shocked.



She just prays that if they do deport her, she will not have to spend any time in a place like that becasue she knows, with her diseased lungs and weakened immune system, she would not survive it.

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 07:19

Prisons are always going to look their worst in the very early am. Keep your fingers crossed

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 08:16

I think Pauline has everthing crossed yenibob, makes walking difficult I would think.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 08:50

Thanks yorg, noce to know you support Pauine's call not to be deported.



The programme on Wed is called ekopolitika and I think it starts at 8.30. Pauline has been contacted by the host.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 18:08

Another TV programme coming up too.. Kibrispostasi answer to Talatkursat has hd alomost 7565 hits.



yipppeeeeee

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 19:11

Or had 7565 hits until now.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 09:38

I just cannot understand why someone would start another thread when this one is up and running.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 17:46

AS TV had Husnu Kisi on this morning and he said 'how dare the bank suggest deporting Pauline Read, this was seen in TRNC and London, gave the K5 a lot of publicity. The issue was also flagged on Genc TV this am also seen both in London and TRNC. Both of these brave London Turkish Cypriots are friends of Pauline Read's and both members of Stop the Blackmail. Membership now 1476..not such a minority group any more.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 07:04

The light is shining brighter. Freedom of some of the media.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 07:54

Yes astro941 Where there is light, evil will not flourish.



Talking of the media yesterday AS TV and Genc TV gave some very good coverage and exposure to the K5 and the property victims.



Tonight, tonight, wont be just any night.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 08:18

http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2012/03/20/north-cyprus-property-victims-solution-to-kulaksiz-5-property-problems/

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 18:49

tune in 8.30 ADA..................

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 06:22

Pauline arrived at Ada Studios at 7.30 pm last night and left at midnight. The Hasan Hasturer progamme began at8.30 and continued, with two commercial breaks until midnight. Pauline was told at the beginning by Hasan bey, nothing was off limits, names could be mentioned and the truth could be told Hasan bey is a very laid back interviewer and sometimes his relaxed style can fool one, but he is a man who misses nothing and asks all the right questions. Pauline covered a lot of facts and it was going very well, then during a commercial break Mr Ali Osman Safa, the owner of the TV Station came into the studio to tell her there were some people outside who said they knew her and wanted to join the show. Imagine her surprise when she saw them, more people scammed by the same bank. She was more than happy to have them join in, and join in they did. From that point on, the bank had a very jumpy ride. Pauline will link her article on this to this thread.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 09:22

I was not aware of this programme until a friend phoned and told me. I tuned in at 9.30 pm and tried to phone in several times but either it was engaged or they did not answer. My redial button was truly worn out last night but eventually they answered.

I cut it short and spoke on only four points:

1. I met Pauline when she was refused permission to protest in front of the Turkish Embassy. So I organised a protest and the expats attended as "observers". Pauline butt in to say that she was not even allowed to cross the road and join us, otherwise she was warned that she would be arrested.



2. In the original court case by the bank against the owner and developer, the buyers were not party to the case. This is wrong. Normally at High Administrative Court, the judge automatically orders the interested parties to join in. They should act similarly at District Courts too and the Bank should have disclosed the presence of such people.



3. The Registration of Estate Agents law and hence registration of Sale Contracts came into effect beginning of 2008 but everything is not safe now as argued by Hasan Hasturer. Registration prevents the sale of the land and a new mortgage on it but it does not give priority to the buyer in case the owner is sued in court and judgemnent obtained against him. Then comes the memorandum and forceful sale and the buyer is still at risk. This should be put right.



4. Finally I spoke about my pet subject, the Specific Performance law and why it should be repealed.

ismet

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 09:32

I agree with Pauline that the bank was put in a very very bad light. I think from now on they will change tactics and go quiet and stop libel threats. This programme can be the turning point. It was extremely effective as portraying the bank and its owners as unprofessional and unreliable people.

ismet

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 10:10

pollymarples



Please tell Pauline "congratulations" from Aga Buyers Action Group

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 10:11

Well that's that then! If I had known AOS was going to appear I could have got some friends to ask him about VAT . Perhaps for another thread.



Anyway, well done Pauline I am sure you did well.