Fully Equipped for........ 10 BRAND NEW Villa for rent Esentepe

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 20:22

4 bedroom 3 bathroom (1 en suite) BRAND NEW villa with a 10 mtrs x 4 mtrs swimming pool. Stunning sea views, with a huge balcony. Fully equipped for 8 persons, linen, seating.cutlery etc. 47" TFT wall mounted

Television. Xbox 360 and etc. Landscaped gardens. Garden shed. Outdoor luxury dining for 10 BBQ.



Kitchen Full Bosch top of the range appliances..Dishwasher,Washing Machine, Microwave, Hob ,Oven

Fridge/Freezer .Full provision for 8 persons. Rattan kitchen table and chairs 10 seater settee (leather)



4 Double bedrooms 2 x Queensize beds 4 x Single matching bedcovers and curtains..Full Aircon.



10 mtrs x 4 metres Swimming Pool with full 2 metre travertine surround Quality sunbeds.



Rental charge will rank secondary to the quality of tennants. LONG TERM TENNANTS SOUGHT



British Community THIS IS A ONE OFF OPPORTUNITY.



EVERYTHING IN THIS VILLA IS NEW AND UNUSED............ABSOLUTELY STUNNING



wynyardm

Marble


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 23:05

John,

Is this a good time to ask you to make a contribution to site funds?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 00:08

Hi Marble,



As promised, as soon as we start to use the fascilities, and when we obtain our kochan.



Meanwhile I suggest you contact the builders accountants whose legal responsibility it is.







wynyardman

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 00:12

Could I ask John do you have a service level agreement agreed on my all owners ? or are you at the mercy of a M/C ?

Marble


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 09:02

John

Re Mess. 3

Concerned about the use of the word 'and'. You are using the facilities & the only one not to have put into the maintenance pot. Your Kocan could be many years down the road as you well know.

jesusjon



Joined: 03/08/2008
Posts: 93

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 13:51

In Reply to Pipie,

msg 4 no we don't have a management co. but nearly! all owner's have contributed to the pot for maintenance to road and services.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 14:25

jesusion.



Thank you for reply. I wish you well.

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 17:54

nice when ALL owners contribute

ozankoys


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 905

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 18:27

Yes it is nice if everyone on the site can work together because the letter of the law is not usually applicable here and it is to everyone's advantage to keep the site looking as nice as possible.

nlang


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 00:15

BEWARE ! renting this lovely property... as it is owned by Greatstone Builders... there is an injunction on it because "Wynyardman" did not want to be a team player on "Greatstone Park"... He knew better than the vast majority, who now have our Kojans !!!!!!!!!!

So, will the rent be payable to Greatstone ???

YES, this is a super Villa.... but what a waste of a dream villa all because of Mr Coopers obstinacy and intransigence?

Yes, Wynyardman... you chose the route of the courts... we chose the route of collectivity, just hope you have a fat cheque book................

nlang


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 00:18

BEWARE ! renting this lovely property... as it is owned by Greatstone Builders... there is an injunction on it because "Wynyardman" did not want to be a team player on "Greatstone Park"... He knew better than the vast majority, who now have our Kojans !!!!!!!!!!

So, will the rent be payable to Greatstone ???

YES, this is a super Villa.... but what a waste of a dream villa all because of Mr Coopers obstinacy and intransigence?

Yes, Wynyardman... you chose the route of the courts... we chose the route of collectivity, just hope you have a fat cheque book................

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 04:52

looks the trnc is coming back to bite you on the arse, wyn.....

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 05:49

2 sides to every story folks !!

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 06:13

yes maybe 2 sides:





http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/greatstone.asp





using their Cypriot connections to get any comments about them closed.....

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 10:24

Yes pipie indeed there is but some fail to recognise how many things they got wrong.

A simple realisation of the above and a retraction of false accusations made would put an end to many unresolved fueds.



MOST of the good people on Greatstone park have got their rewards for sticking together and working with the developer - even if they didn't necessarily agree with him - and now MOST of them have their Kocan's and for the most part a happy life, the obstinate ones, you know the ones who would do it by the letter of the "English" law they have nothing but heartache.

BTW the development is looking great congratulations



Well put nlang



Mess 14. Interesting point ;)

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 10:29

Can we assume that you will advise your new tenants that they may also need to pay a separate rent for use of the road?



Remember, your neighbours have all paid to have the road built, and they ALL pay for the maintenance, except you. It wouldn't be fair for your new paying tenants to get free use of a privately owned and maintained road. We assume they will have a car, and need water for the pool etc.



It would be an awfully long walk up the hill.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 11:32

The real problem was a builder and the laws of the TRNC which failed to protect you against, what was an obvious property scam.You cannot "blame" people just because they chose to handle the situation in a different way. No one had a crystal ball and could envisage the outcome.



You appear to have formed a witch hunt and some of the above comments come across as threatening and intimidating. What a pity your vehemence is not directed against the real guilty person that should have completed the site and been responsible for the infrastructure.



Would I contribute to road maintenance if I had a memorandum and no Kocan? Probably not as I would see it as throwing even more good money after bad.



I am glad it worked out well for the majority on the site but please lets remember the guilty party in all this was the builder/developer and as usual he has walked away unscathed and overpaid.

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 11:52

A good argument Bradus, but unless people know ALL the facts then perhaps it would be prudent not to comment or make unfounded & scourilous accustations on public forums such as this one, Groucho made some excellent points on the current CH thread which many on the forum would do well to read.

People by the very nature of the beast tend to form opinions based on dubiety, seldom do they match the facts, and some of these people delight in telling lies and twisting the truth while avoiding direct questions asked of them, but they continue to throw stones and name call without full possession of the facts, thus causing tremendous and sometimes irrepairable damage to people and institutions.

Perhaps the builder/developer was the guilty party, perhaps not ! perhaps they might have been caught up in a cycle of events over which they had little or no control, you have just made a possible unfounded accusation and by doing so have probably defeated your own argument

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 12:01

I agree with Bradus. Having been through a witch hunt which also involved threats and intimidation I wear the t/shirt with bullet holes to prove it but stood firm by my guns and live to tell the tale.



Again I agree with Bradus the guility builder/developer is the guility party and reigns whilst protected by those with rose cloured specs or personal gain.



I am also pleased it has worked out for the majority but give my support to Wyn at this time !!

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 12:12

Message 19 cements my argument



and some of these people delight in telling lies and twisting the truth while avoiding direct questions asked of them, but they continue to throw stones and name call without full possession of the facts, thus causing tremendous and sometimes irrepairable damage to people and institutions.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 12:32

I dont know the facts surrounding this but I think this is an issue between Wyn and the builder and should stay that way.



The mention of CH is a different matter altogether and should be kept off this thread.

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 12:39

Sorry turtle, it was used only to highlight some points as I said, it was in no way intended to be otherwise, it is normal practice in debates is it not ? to use parts of other similar debates to highlight points, however I stand chastised ;)

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 12:41

My sentiments exactly Turtle re CH. I wonder why it was posted on here?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 12:49

Steps426,



What a patronising, condescending and evasive answer. Most people are well aware of the problems associated with Greatstones. It must be one of the most publicised history of events on this forum. Most information arising from the BUYERS themselves. A simple literature search opens up a wealth of information from HBPG, Cyprus Forums and NCFP.



Instead of regurgitating the rights and wrongs of the CH thread lets us stick to the subject in hand i.e Greatstones and the way that the laws of the TRNC have allowed them to take thousands of pounds from their customers with impunity. You may think that your own Greatstones nightmare is over but please spare a thought for the many buyers on other Greatstones sites.



If you come onto a public forum and so openly victimise and taunt a fellow buyer you must be prepared for opinion and comment. You are the one washing your dirty linen in public.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 12:49

All I can see is a man wanting to rent his villa.



What a miserable. Silly lot of others that have nothing better to do. Have you never heard the saying.. '' Live and let live'' What's done is done, no one can change back time. ! If we were no so content where we are we would rent it ourselves. And yes we would tolerate people like you that live Nr by



Shame on you all.! Take a look around you its a nice day. Remember its nice to be important but its important to be nice. JMHO.



Spider,X

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 12:52

re message 24 .



Bradus have a look at some of Steps426 previous posts.



If you want a forum link please email me on radioangel@hotmail.co.uk I do not want to post it on here and deflect the thread but very interesting.

Ladyinwaiting


Joined: 07/10/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 12:56

We suggest that before you reap the benefits of a rental income from your villa on Greatstone Park that you put your dues into the pot as we & all the other owners have done. We do not see why we should subsidise you or why you or your prospective tenants should enjoy the services which we have all paid for. You tried to outwit our builders & it backfired on you, it is time to stop taking the p**s out of us, do the decent thing Mr Cooper & put all the outstanding money that you owe into the site funds so that we can afford to maintain the site to a decent level.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 13:11

Would it not be nicer and more civilised to do this via e-mail indtead of another slagging match on here!



Chri

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 13:18

as ever there is always two sides to a story Nurseawful thats what forums are for getting everyones opinion ! Maintenace no matter how small or large the site there are always heated debates



Until laws change over there and Management Companies/builders and developers are regulated correctly these debates will always rumble on -



as for message 26 glad to see somone else notices the hounddog that change identy because she was banned previoulsy for it as aalways with those that THINK they never actually have any helpful statements or ways forward just contribute to dig others out

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 19:01

Nurseawful, absolutely agree. Many villa owners are in email contact with 'wyn', but as soon as money is mentioned he stops all contact. This is the only avenue left for them.



Bradus, agree with many of your comments, and believe me if there was any way of helping some of the other Greatstone owners that haven't been as fortunate, I would. I have done my very best to help many of them, and will continue.



These are reasonable people who have 'all' put funds together to build a road. When it was finished, they 'all' contributed to the upkeep and maintenance by mutual agreement, (over and above what they owed).



There are 19 villas. 18 have contributed as and when needed (including one with a memorandum). So its very upsetting for them to see one owner who has 'never' contributed towards this private road advertise his villa for rental. They assume wyns tenants will use the road 'they' have built to drive up and down. The Water truck will use the road to fill his pool. Just anno

Marble


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 19:39

For those of you making postings out of ignorance I would endorse the comments of nlang & Cyprus8.

When 18 out of 19 villa owners make a financial contribution to provide electricity, maintain a road & water supply & the 19th wants to enjoy all the benefits without a contribution it does kind of rankle with the 18.

Any sympathy for Wynyardman is therefore misplaced.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 20:13

msg 31,



I think people can make up their own minds about who deserves sympathy or not, without your promptings. I don't know the details of the dispute but would suggest it is irrelevant with regards to subject of this thread.....the search for a tenant.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 21:08

message 32 of course its not irrelevant search for a tenant who will use the communal services ......... erm they are not paying for the communal services so very relevant ! thw whole point doh!

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 22:51

Wyn,



Do you have any pics and prices please.



Paul.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 22:57

I would also be interested in pictures please. I can only imagine it is as wonderful as your place in the UK.



Vicki

jesusjon



Joined: 03/08/2008
Posts: 93

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 23:09

Totaly agree with posts by Cyprus8 and ladyinwaiting and the only thing Wyn is contributing is his pool backwash discharging onto the road just what we need.he has been asked to deal with it NOTHING DONE AS YET.

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 23:17

Got any proof of this Jesus J.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 23:23

Vicki.



Get direction from wyn and when your over we will pop along and view



I might even want to live down that way As you know we don't have a road here yet, we should be so lucky ! We still have a blooming big muddy field to plough through every day..



Spider,X



PS. Its also a nice kinda day out down that way

jesusjon



Joined: 03/08/2008
Posts: 93

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 23:29

Greylag,

As of two days ago told by neighbour will be there myself to see next week.If it has been dealt with then good.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 23:30

First right after the petrol station when driving East from Girne.Up the big hill,



Paul.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 23:33

Totally agree with Bradus mess17.



nlang ,

you say 'Yes, Wynyardman... you chose the route of the courts... we chose the route of collectivity,' So are you just upset with Wynn because he has embarrassed you because had the b-lls to stand up for what he thought was right ,even with the knowledge that in the pathetic legal system he had little chance,whereas you chose the' collectivity'(let the developer take the piss,suck up,or you wont get your Kocan) route.



Looks like wynn took the hard route and you took the easy route,the developer won and moves on to the next project and on it goes. If more took a 'collective' stand instead of 'collectivity' accepting anything to get a kocan ,the TRNC property and legal system would have been reformed a long time ago and we would all be better off for it.



Anyway none of your business what Wynn does with his villa,and his fight with Greatstone,Youv'e got your Kocan now ,so no need for your support for the developer against Wynn anymore

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 23:34

newlad is it near your place ?





I have seen photo's of your stunning place...Wow. Is wyn's any better ?



Just interested and all that.





Spider,X

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 23:53

Msg 41,



Well said, Girne29. people like to do it, their way ! Nothing wrong with that. imho.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 23:54

Spider,



We have a humble apartment.Wyn has a luxurious villa,



Paul.

nlang


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 00:04

msg 32



It is hardly "irrelevant" when someone is renting out a property he does not legally own and using communal utilities that he has not contributed too

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 00:04

Paul..





We all know a home is what you make it. We came with 8 cases a cat and dog lol..



But we have a happy home. It would be water off a Spiders back living beside some of the posters on this thread





Spider,X

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 00:11

Saying all that our wonderful landlord here could be well upset as he sent us a text congratulating us on our third year here..Also adding that we were the best tenants ever



Wyn's place could tempt me though I love a challenge and it sounds like it could be for the new renters.





Spider,X

nlang


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 00:20

msg 32



It is hardly "irrelevant" when someone is renting out a property he does not legally own and using communal utilities that he has not contributed too

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 00:33

Hay Wyn.



I also know a few rich Russians over here you never know they might want to take this off your hands too. Lots of people are selling without a kojan. Bet they too could put up with a few of the posters on this thread. And let me tell you,I am sure they would use the bloody road





Spider,X

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 00:36

Wyn might not be the owner but has he not paid in full, paying out even more than the asking price, identified within his contract? This seems more than enough, considering the builder never exchanged deeds. You cannot have it both ways nlang, either ask the "true" owner of the property for maintenance and to put into "your" pot or accept that Wyn, not being the legal owner of the property, has no legal responsibilities and would be foolhardy to throw more good money after bad.



Stop blaming another victim and blame the system which, had there been more robust laws, would not have allowed this situation to happen. You appear blind to the wrong doings of the developer and the laws of the land. I assume that your reasoning is because it's just so much easier and the done thing to get money from British expat neighbours than those that are the real culprits and guilty of wrong doings. Justice eh? A whole new meaning in the TRNC!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 00:49

Love your thinking Bradus





You took the words right out of my mouth





Spider,X

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 01:18

Msg 48,nlang,



Well it's irrelevant to me but then again,unlike you,I don't have an agenda. This thread was about a person looking for a tenant, as Bradus says, stop blaming a victim who did it his way, that's his right. Other people did things their way, good luck to them, that was their right. He paid his money for his house and signed his contract, you didn't. If you compromised , that's your business but nothing to do with him.

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 01:37

Wyn has over the years been pompous, pious & downright rude. He has belittled people with nasty little jibes, some on here may have short memories but I do not. He makes out that he is the "Big I Am" but it now seems that he is not prepared to pay his way but is happy to take money for rental without paying into the pot that keeps the development running. If on the development I have an apartment somebody is slow in paying then they are named & shamed but that is between the residents. But by flaunting his Villa for rent on here he has gone public & he deserves all the flack he gets from the people who have paid up & I applaud you for standing up & saying so.

So if all the sycophant’s will stop trying to stand up for him perhaps he might admit he is wrong, but I doubt it. It is also so transparent that since this has been brought up Mr Cooper has not come on here to defend himself, perhaps a guilty conscience.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 01:57

Without knowing the details, perhaps Wyn does not wish to pay for something that the builder/developer promised to deliver in the contract he signed ?, if this is the case, I don't blame him. Many people are pompous,pious and rude but sometimes, they are also right to expect that others deliver what they contracted to deliver. Maybe , he will enlighten us as to his point of view.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 06:49

Hey Wyn , at least you are giving some poor soul a rest eh ? . I class John & his wife as very dear friends , I am posting as a friend of Wyn's and not a moderator , i feel i have to speak out in defence of a dear friend whom you wish character assisinate publically { i don't know what else you can call it }, and quite honestly it breaks my heart , he does not deserve this . KNOW YOUR FACTS , clearly you don't , but you think you do , and without divulging any confidentialities , that i have had privy to , i can in all honesty say i have have seen all e-mails and paperwork , and i can tell you it doesn't make pretty reading , Wyn has paid well over the odds for this house and even paying what he shouldn't have as well ! it certainly has not been an easy ride for them , and still he managed to retain his dignity , more than i can say for a few of the posts on this thread . He has a very dry and unique sense of humour which i think can be misunderstood , con't

simbas



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Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 06:55

Con't . He is also one of the most kindest , generous and genuine men that i have ever met . I am very proud to call him my friend . So think on when you make your blind suppositions

Patricia

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 07:20

..... so what happens if all on the site decides also not to pay for the facilities, who do you think will? how will the communal facilities be paid for ?



and why should one person not pay because he has had a row with the developer ? There are a lot of people been through a lot with their houses because of developers, so they all stop paying then what? whats the alternative? A lot of sites havent got their Kochan so no ones pays until they have ?



...... and back in the real world !

tonycar


Joined: 05/03/2012
Posts: 15

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 10:33

After reading this thread all I can say is what a nasty bunch of people live on that development, to character assassninate a man who has stood up to a dodgy developer because he is principled and strong of mind and won't cow tow to a bunch of bullies is a man to be admired.



Personally I would get my kochan and sell my house as soon as possible because I would not want to live amongst a bunch of cowardly bullies who seem to have no principles whatsoever.



You should all think about the nasty things you have said and hang your heads.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 10:51

There comes a time when you have to take stock.I know for a fact that John has spent way,way above what the original price of his villa was.And i am not talking the odd 100 quid either.Years and years of broken promises from developers,buildersaand advocates.In the end do take there toll.



John paid for all the extras in good faith.Believing that one more payment would sort everything out.When he signed up for his villa a price was agreed with him and the developer.Then things started to go wrong,and more monies where asked for.



John then dug into his pocket on several more ocassions.But still they kept coming back for more.Three years on with no water,electric,and the pool resembling a bog.He (John) decided enough was enough.



He then decided to take matters in to his own hands.Re-mess 53,Paul W.I dont know what your beef is with John.But in my opinion,you are way out of order.Have you ever met John Cooper.The guy is a true gent.Character assasination on a public forum



conti

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 10:59

Cont,



Is very low.You obviously dont tap in to Johns sense of humour.I think where you have all gone wrong here.I by being hoodwinked in to paying more then you should have in the first place.I know its Cyprus.And i know we are easy prey.



But perhaps if you had all got together in the first place.And flatly refused to pay anything above what the price was and all stood together.



Then some of you on here would not be slagging off,a guy who has more then paid his dues for his villa.I am sure John will reply at some stage.And i would just like too say.Good on ya mate,



Paul.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 11:15

Point of fact Wyn still does not own the villa out right, he owns the bricks and mortar but not the land, I presume.

He cannot be held responsible for the up keep of the road as surely this is just as one poster has said, throwing good money after bad, ...

Didnt take long before some to have a go at Wyn , because they have a long memory, its laughable!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 11:17

Sadly newlad a few live by fear favour or personal gain of these unscroupulas builder/developers and expect others to follow suit !!



Wyn decided maybe not to join that gang !! good for him pity a few more out there have the courage Wyn has !!

tonycar


Joined: 05/03/2012
Posts: 15

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 12:05

msg 53, who the hell are you to be destroying someone's character and demanding he come on here to defend himself, you called him pompous and pious, I think those adjectives apply very adequately to you!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 12:17

"If you can stand to hear the words youve spoken, twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools."



sounds appropriate.



wynyardman

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 12:22

Aaw tonycar, this silly little man isn't worth getting uptight about, he hasn't a good word for any one, only his self !! ...



Think wyns character is more of man and held up way above the poster 53.....

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 12:38

message 57. Its a private villa so other than the road, which in truth should be the responsibility of the council, what other communal facilities are there?



You have to be joking about paying for roads when you have a memorandum slapped on your property and have already handed over extra money to an advocate on 2 occasions to get your deeds, without success . No wonder the Ex Pats make themselves such easy targets for scamming. Can I ask those living on the Greatstone site, have you gone after the builders assets through the British Courts now that the builder is living in Manchester? No, of course not. Accept the system, don't rock the boat, and look elsewhere to recoup your losses.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 13:43

Msg, 55,58 and 59,



At last, people who know "Wyn" are putting the truth out there for all, even for the begrudging and the character assassins, to see. Without knowing "Wyn" personally, I tend to side with those who stand their ground in the face of adversity. I respect people of strong character.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 14:49

I also respect and admire folk such a Wyn who clearly has good reasons for his actions.



Those who character assassinate folk such as Wyn in my opinion a majority either oppose him through fear, favour or personal gain.





You will always get the odd one who just joins in for the ride without carefully examining why they are joining the hunt !!





Stand your ground Wyn you have more support than you probably realise !!

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 15:10

Jeeeezuz and here was me thinking that I had problems...John all the best mate hope things work out for you and Julie.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 17:54

Keep smiling Wyn, you have shown that you have the courage of your convictions and will not be walked all over.



All the very best to you and The Lady Wyn.

theparson


Joined: 28/05/2011
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 18:04

First posting on the subject and the last...

The only people this posting should concern are the 18 owners who have contributed to the running of the complex. If they feel sufficiently aggrieved, they will no doubt put pressure on the 19th owner to pay up.

If it cannot be solved amicably, then the only people who will suffer will be the poor renters of the villa.

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 18:40

And the character assassination of the person in question.Should never have been posted on a public forum.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 19:55

Oh dear...I have heard from so many Cy44 members, that FACTs are required. Thank you well wishers.



In 2009 my advocate Munir akil agreed a settlement with my builder of £6500 (mainly extras) The money



was delivered to his office the next day. The builder said that the proceeds could go into a "site pot" returned



to the UK the next day, that the settlement was objected to by certain site members, and the builder was



urged to reject my offer. The money plus money for taxes was left with my Advocate a further £3500 was



demanded. It was over my contractrual settlement, and was therefore refused.



Some months later I was approached by one site member who said if I sent £7K she believed a settlement to



. get my kochan would be possible. Under my instructions the funds were made available for collection. It



was a specific term of our agreement that in the event of no kochan the money would be returned.



cont.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 20:07

ccont.



It subsequently took 3 months to get my money bsack. It was made perfectly clear to the ad hoc committee



That if my offer was rejected, the matter would be handed to my Advocate for settlement on contractrual terms.



In 3 years we have not occupied our villa other than for maintainance.



We have made it perfectly clear that when we receive our kochan, that we will make a FULL contribution to



site costs and indeed parcellisation costs.



We have actually only met less than 30% of site residents.



I was the first to identify that the builder was in difficulty, and I proposed that our final payments should be



paid into an Escrow account. My suggestion was ignored.



I was the person who went to see Marion Stokes to request help, and I had to beg Mrs Arundel to get in touch



with her. It was through this that most people got their kochan



I think it is a disgrace that lies about my personal affairs have been published on a Public Forum.



wynyardman

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 20:22

Well said, Wynyardman. You have just made a lot of people who posted here, look foolish and mendacious in the extreme. Shame on them for their lies and mistruths.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 20:57

good on you wyn ,



some people are quick to jump in without realising the depth of the water .

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 21:06

Rowlo, its just a few vile slithery creatures that have slithered back into their hole ...



Wyn, you have your own reasons, so be it ... Fact being it is your money, and nobody else's ... We all have to make our own choices .... good luck to you what ever you decide ,...

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 21:32

Msg36,



With no kochan I am £160K out of pocket



I am paying £2500 pa for maintainance of my villa and garden.



I have had to pay £3500 for work on the pool that the builder failed to do. The work was undertaken by



Carringtons Small works division. I drew the complaint to their attention immediatley I was advised.



I had to pay water and electrical installation TWICE.



I Have nothing else to say on a public forum about this matter.



wynyardman

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 22:04

Explained and spoken like a true Gent Wyn !!





Wyn. can i just say If the character assassination continue take it from some one who has been in the same situation



Being targeted made me stronger,more determined, and slowly but surely what went around finally came around in my favour.



It hurt that a couple of so called friends became a turn coat but ''hey'' that again resulted to my advantage as who needs those sort of friends,not a great loss just learn and move on !!



I truly hope if the hunt does continue you get the same positive result as I have !!





Take care Wyn and Peace be with you !!

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 22:07

get it up ye wyn.....lol

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 22:08

in case your wondering its a Scottish endearment......

Marble


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 22:10

Newlad - Mess 59. I know for a fact that John has spent way,way above what the original price of his villa .................And the source of your facts please?



John: Is it not significant that not one person on the site has come to your defence.

If you wish to quote from IF how about 'And never breathe a word about your loss.'

And to think all this could be resolved if you just paid your fair share like the rest on the site.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 22:18

Msg 81,



We built Hadrians Wall to keep you lot out! , so you move over there! Is there no peace?



wyn

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 22:24

Msg 82,



John



Watch my lips......Line 5 Msg 74, and you a practising solicitor...allegedly!



I think the people have spoken, and those that havent are probably well worth knowing as neighbours.



wynyardman

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 22:32

Msg 82,



It is to their shame that not one person, from the site, has not come to Wyn's defense, knowing the "facts"as he has set them out. I don't know the man but I, for one, believe what he has said about this matter. You lot, strike me as bitter,malevolent bullies, who regret the course that you have undertaken and are envious of someone , who has the balls to do, what you cowards failed to do i.e. stand up for yourselves and demand that your contracts are honoured. What a sad lot you really are !

lippylush


Joined: 29/12/2006
Posts: 197

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 22:35

I am an owner who has bought from Greatstone and very luckily managed to get our Kochan. There are many owners who have bought from Greatstone who have not and probably will never get their Kochan and my heart goes out to them all. We all made decisions about how to obtain our Deeds and I for one could personally throttle Tas/Tylan for all the misery they have caused and continue to do so. Wyn has made a stand for what he thinks is right and maybe if our situation was similar to his we would have made the same decision. WE know for a fact having attended meetings with him and Tylan that despite what lies Tas has told to others Wyn has paid for what should rightly be HIS villa. Greatstone tried and suceeded on many occassions to turn owners against owners by telling outright lies. Isn't it about time that we all try and present a united front and stop maligning other owners who are not as fortunate as ourselves especially on an open forum.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 22:39

msg 86,



Well done, lippylush, at least there is , one decent person, living there.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 22:48

Eammon,



I had said my last, but it is only right to say we have never had the chance to meet our immediate neighbours,



and one did indeed offer the hand of friendship, and help.



Out of 19 houses we have only actually met 3 homeowners and we are not sure that they were told the truth.



A properly constituted site committee would almost certainly accepted the £6500 that was on the table 3 years



ago. Instead they chose to enrich the Advocates.



wynyardman

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 22:53

Marble mess 82,



My facts are indeed facts.I dont intend to get into a slanging match with you,on a public forum.So go and crawl back into the hole that you came out of.



What i said in mess 59 is true.John Cooper is an honest man who has made a stand.And i say good luck to the guy,



Paul.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:00

Msg 88,



fair enough, Wyn.

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:03

After reading many of the responses its easy to see why some of you are feeling sorry for Wyn, so would I if he was the only one I had spoken to on Greatstone Park. All credit to him, he is a very clever man, very friendly, and by his own admission, a very shrewd business man. I have nothing to gain from explaining our situation, other than giving readers the opportunity to understand the truth of this situation. This will at least enable them to make an 'informed' opinion.



The truth is that in 2009 our builder was taking the final payments from some owners on our site, promising to put in electricity infrastructure and complete the road. He said he had cash flow problems, but claimed if he had the final payments early, he would be able to complete the site. In return, he would exchange title with each owner as they paid. Around half the owners hoped that this would be true and paid in advance, in the hope of electricity and a road, also the security of their kochan.................

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:04

. As soon as the administration allowed, 10 owners paid their final payments to Greatstone Construction, totalling over 100k, and waited for completion of the site.



During this time Wynyardman visited me to tell me he wanted to get his kochan, but as the builder had cash flow problems, he said he had tried to make a deal....... Wyn told me his final payment was 7k, and he had been to the lawyer that morning. He asked his lawyer to phone the builder and offer 6k. The builder got annoyed and said "no I want 10k". Wyns words to him were "what is the other 3k for?" (proving that the 7k was correct in the first place). The builder told him it was for all the hassle wyn had put him through at the beginning when he had to dig and then refill his pool. (This is another story 'in Wyns words again', I can give the details of, if anyone is interested)......................

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:04

Wyn told me, he had been in business for years, and was used to negotiating, he said that if Greatstone needed money, they would change their minds and accept his 6k. He was laughing, and it all seemed quite amusing at the time because it didn't affect anyone else.



Ten other owners final payments got transferred to Greatstone, their titles got transferred as agreed. There was still no sign of the road being completed or the electricity infrastructure being installed. Very worrying following such a massive cash injection. Some of us took to this forum to try to embarrass the builder to finish our site (including Wyn and myself). A few of us got together, collected all the owners email addresses to find out how many had paid in full, and how much was left. We were shocked to discover there was only 2% of the 'total site payments' left, however if we all worked together, this would be 'just enough' to finish the site ourselves.................................

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:05

Wyns advice was to contact Marian Stokes from HBPG, and that proved to be the way forward.



With her help we made an agreement with the builder, that we would open our 'own' bank account, and as each of the villa owners paid in their agreed final payment, Greatstone would exchange title with them. The idea then, was with all the funds in our own 'pot' we would pay for the road to be completed, and pay for our electricity infrastructure, organising it directly with the contractors. Any funds left over would be used to bring a few remaining villas up to the basic standard, with white goods etc.



It should all have worked perfectly except 2 of the villa owners did not put their final payments into the pot, so our pot was short of £19,000, and as they had not paid their final payments, the developer did not exchange title with them.



Of these two owners, one claimed to have financial problems, and so couldn't make the payments at the time...........

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:06

That is not for us to judge or comment on as nobody will know except that person themselves.



The other one was Wynyardman.....From the time he signed his original contract, then got home and found out someone else had paid 5k less, his negotiations/discussions with the builder were relentless. Our builder was certainly not innocent, but he had many sites with a lot of customers. None of the other owners had a dispute with how much their final payments were........only Wynyardman. The payment schedule was clear, the extras were well documented and signed. Plus, Wyn had already told me himself that he owed 7k, and was looking for yet another 'deal'!!



So here we all were, we had been through a lot together, and now it was down to us to work together to finish our own site!!! Not the best start to TRNC life, but not impossible. The builder said he wanted 10k from Wynyardman in exchange for his kochan. Then Wyn suddenly said he only owed 3k!!!

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:07

Nothing had been paid since Wyn himself admitted he owed 7k but was looking for a deal. What had originally been quite funny as a dispute with the builder, suddenly wasn't quite as amusing. We now had to work together, we had to trust each other, and Wynyardman was no longer trying to get a deal from the builder, we were his neighbours!! The disappointment that he was trying to rip off his own neighbours was immense. He had seemed such a nice guy, repeatedly telling us all how he was a 'team player'.



I later negotiated with the builder on his behalf, and asked him to drop the 10k back to 7k which is what we all knew it really was. Our pot would have benefited and Wyn would be able to get his kochan. The builder agreed, but amazingly Wyn said 'no'. A few more months down the line our builder warned us that he could soon be made bankrupt. If this were the case, then Wyn wouldn't be able to get his kochan at all..........

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:08

We contacted Wyn again, asking if he wanted to re offer the 6k that he had originally offered to the lawyer, and we said we would try and get the builder to accept, to resolve the issue. Amazingly Wyn said 'no' again.....saying "my pool isn't commissioned, I will only pay 3k". At this point we all gave up with him, as did the builder.



With the real threat of Bankruptcy looming closer. Wyn suddenly out of nowhere, came up with some strange scheme whereby he left 7k with his solicitor, and emailed us all to say 3k of it was to go in the pot, and in return we had to obtain his kochan from the builder, then the other 4k was to be kept by his lawyer and used only as and when all the other owners had put another 4k in the pot. The other owners had all made their final payments months earlier, each individual figure agreed with both them and the builder, it seemed a very strange offer, as we had no intention of paying a further 4k each into the pot...........

lippylush


Joined: 29/12/2006
Posts: 197

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:08

Denise do you think it is appropriate to publish on an open forum all the details concerning Wyn's private financial buisness. Whatever the rights and wrongs of it all it is a private matter

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:09

We contacted the builder that had 'apparently' agreed this. He told us Wyn had just said he had lodged 7k with the solicitor for the pot, so could he now transfer his kochan........he hadn't told him that 4k of it was being withheld!!! So again he was trying to pull the wool over all of our eyes. The builder withdrew the agreement until the full 7k were paid to the site pot.



Finally after many months, and many warnings, the builder filed for bankruptcy, and the inevitable memorandums came over the two remaining propertys still owned by Greatstone on our site. It was very sad because everybody wanted all of our site to be owned by the buyers, and many people had emailed Wyn, but to no avail.



Months later Marian Stokes and myself saw a 'window of opportunity' to help Wyn along with 3 others (2 from another site) to pay off the memorandum over their villas, and obtain their kochan. The agreement had to be that Wyn finally paid the 7k into the pot he originally owed, and we would hel

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:09

For the first time he saw sense, paid the money to the site pot, and we got to work on the administration. A few days later, on the morning that the memorandum would have been paid, and the kochan transferred, 2 new injunctions had gone over the propertys. It took us a while to find out who had put them on, then we agreed with them to 'temporarily' lift the injunctions so we could pay the memorandums and exchange title. This took a couple of months to sort out. Then Wyn suddenly told us it was a 'failed initiative', gave no thanks to the work we had put in trying to help him, and demanded his 7k back immediately. We advised him to leave it where it was with everyone elses so it was available when we needed it. Instead he chose to demand it back immediately, and advised me to get legal advice!! That was it........we had had enough of him. We returned his money immediately via cheque to his lawyer, and vowed to never help this man again.........

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:10

With the site funds we had, our road and electricity got paid for, and together we paid for emergency repairs to collapsed walls in the storms, our site is looking nice now. We have a site pot that we all contribute to as and when required, which we keep for emergency purposes and maintenance. The £19,000 shortfall that 'never' got paid unfortunately meant that the owners whose villas did not have white goods, and needed money spent to finish them, had to be paid for themselves.........over and above their final payments. I was lucky, I wasn't one of them, but I absolutely understand how they must feel. Because our pot was short, we couldn't do everything we wanted, so had to all agree to finish the 'site' first, and the villas second. These owners were the losers in all of this, and they are on here trying to ask Wynyardman why he done what he did? They also want to know if he will contribute towards the road they have paid for when he rents his villa?............

lippylush


Joined: 29/12/2006
Posts: 197

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:11

I would aslo add that Greatstone as in Tas and Tylan are certainly ranked as two of the biggest liars I have come across in the TRNC and have caused untold misery to a large number of buyers

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:11

They also want to know, if he ever gets his kochan, is he going to put the 7k he still owes into their pot?



This is our site story, it is all true. We did not 'bargain' with our builder, we just worked together to get it finished. At least you know the facts now, hopefully it will help you understand how some of our villa owners feel.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:12

The back stabbing of Wyn on this thread is despicable.



Just because he didn't agree with the majority and go along with their plan they come on here and try to blacken his name.



You can choose your friends but you can't choose your neighbours.

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:18

Lippylush, absolutely agree with message 102.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:23

Msg 103,



I think Wyn answers your question in message 3.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:29

Cyprus B, (Dee)



We shared the same solicitor, Munir Akil. He can verify the facts and that the money was in place as I stated.



As he has now moved on and is a District Judge, perhaps you would like to call him a liar, on a public forum.



Through you. the £6500 was offerred to the" site pot" and it was you that refused to accept the £6500.



It was pointed out to you in the clearest possible terms that if the offer was not accepted, I would hand the



matter over to my Advocate to be settled strictly in accordance with the contractrual understanding. That is



what has happenned. My advocate had to write to get my money back



It may help if you told the TRUTH. The reason you have been putting the boot in to all and sundry is that



when we were going through figures I told you that I had negotiated a £7000 discount for paying 50% of the



villa cost up front. You have never forgiven me. I call it business acumen, and under protest, the builder



accepted

nlang


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 00:44

For all you "off site liberals", may I remind you that Wynyardman was invited, implored, and cajoled to join the party.

He made his bed of nails - and we had to pay his dues. Not character assassination at all - just bloody angry.

Marble


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 07:32

John: Back to basics 2012. The road was never designed, let alone built, to a standard acceptable to the Govt. It is & will always be a PRIVATE road maintained by the villa owners. All villa owners that should be not 18 out of 19. You are quick to be the beneficial owner to collect the rent but not prepared to contribute to the road upkeep.

In message 74 you undertake to put the FULL amount into the pot. If you will state categorically this sum in GBP's I will refrain from any further contributions on this topic. State the sum numerically with no proviso or caveats.

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 07:54

Wyn....John Cooper. I do not tells lies. I explain the facts of what happened so that people may be better equipped to form their opinions fairly.



You were not made to pay more than your original contract, neither were we - you just chose to try to use the builders financial problems to broker a deal. Unfortunately it did not work.



You then tried to do the same with your neighbours, trying to find ways to pay less to the site pot.



You have since tried to reinvent yourself as a 'good guy' who has stood up to the builder, and done it 'your way', through the courts. In truth, you just wanted to try to save 4k!



As a result of 'your' choices, you now really have ended up paying more. So you try the sympathy route, and tell everyone you are a 'victim' of the TRNC property issues. This is surely insulting to some of the 'real victims' in Cyprus.



You are where you are today because of your own actions.

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 08:47

Bradus would you like to revisit one of your old posts, especially the last 10 words - is this not exactly what 18 owners on Greatstone did ?



Bradus



Message Posted:

13/07/2011 23:06

Join or Login to Reply Message 23 of 201 in Discussion





thanks for answering my question. I must admit I find it strange that so much emphasis is put on the MC rather than people getting their deeds. I don't for the life of me understand how getting your deeds is tied in with the management of the site?



I do understand that you all leave yourselves wide-open to memorandums especially if unpaid debts accrue. A very easy situation to occur when you have unsold properties and people not paying their way.Not wishing to cause any anxiety but should getting your deeds not be your main priority?

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 09:53

Management on a family members site laid the foundation of trouble and turmoil, that still leaves the site unfinished 5 years on as we speak. Management deliberately mislead owners thousands of miles away,by informing owners that handover had taken place. Owners not able to be present at handover had no reason to question management of the site, owners mislead by management accepted that all was finished on site,when in realiity management should not have accepted hand over,simply the site was never finished In a nutshell management then walked off site leaving a legacy of trouble,turmoil,and heartache for a majority of owners. The site remains unfinished 5 years on.



Take note all perspective buyers out there ensure you are there on the day of completion of your site. Never believe what anyone tells you unless you see it for yourself.



Never be afraid to take the stance Wyn has shown and always be on your guard of folk who live by fear,favour and personal gain.

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 10:33

Here we go again, pipie why dont you tell the TRUTH, you had relatives living on the site (TQB) full time you knew exactly what was going on, were never lied to by *as you put it* by management*, maybe by the developers as you admitted to in a previous post, now dont try to hijack this for your own agenda.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 10:58

Multi poster identified re message 113.



Sorry Wyn my post was not intended to go off track just to raise awareness to many prospective owners out there related to your plight.

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 11:10

Harold aren't we always told not to hijack another persons topic - how can we defend ourselves against these constant and vicious attacks by pipie if you keep closing topics, let her state for the record and give proof that she was lied to, or is she acting on here with impunity as pipie Arnold and marina1, ??? the mods keep banning double identities with anything to do with pipie and the TQB / Marina debates, and yet others are allowed to have more than one id, husband wife son daughter Etc. so play fair !

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 11:57

Steps re message 111



Bradus would you like to revisit one of your old posts, especially the last 10 words - is this not exactly what 18 owners on Greatstone did ?



The last ten words were: "Not wishing to cause any anxiety but should getting your deeds not be your main priority?



Absolutely and I stand by this statement. Without any doubt every single buyers main aim should be to get their deeds. Without them, you own nothing and leave yourself at risk of memorandums and blackmail for more money. Nobody is criticising the Greatstones buyers for taking the action they did, their actions paid off (although some have taken the same path and still not ended up with their deeds and memorandums at a later date) and they certainly did the best thing possible in the circumstances.



Again as in my previous posts, I reiterate that maintenance fees would be way down the list of your priorities if there was a risk that you might lose the house you have paid in full for.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 12:09

If Wyn is successful in his court hearing of proving beneficial owner and that registration of contract takes precedence over a memorandum, 1400 home buyers will reap the rewards of the verdict. This would close this unjust legal loophole of buyers having to be responsible for the debts of their builders. Most reading the forum will know that I have little faith in achieving this goal. It's just not the way the TRNC Government and Judicary work. However I applaud Wyn for taking his case to court and at least trying within the laws of the land to claim justice.



I maintain that under the circumstances I would not pay maintenance on a property I did not own and in which I stood to lose to pay the debts of the builder. It matters not whether Wyn chose not to go with the other residents or to take a legal route, the only important factor is that he paid above and beyond his written contractual agreement and he has still not got what he paid for.

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 12:38

Bradus I agree 100% with your post 117, as I do with you sentiments about getting your Kocan by whichever means you can as the 18 others on Greatstone did, however trying to do a deal with a builder that is known to be heading for bankruptcy is surely a folly, as is squeezing him for a discount he can ill afford by handing him 50% up front.

Your reasoning about not paying maintenance on a property you do not own - well ! in effect how many or few of us, even those with Kocan can be secure in the knowledge that we actually do 'own' anything here, and if nobody paid for any maintenance what would most places look like, I think there has to be some common sense and common ground here.

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 761

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 12:50

#117

Spot on Bradus,

Every so often, in history, a person comes along with the intent and the will to stand up for what is morally right, often on behalf of people around them, occasionally for their own ends, while being surrounded by lesser mortals unable to see the bigger picture.



If John is successful many hundreds stand to benefit to the tune of milions here in moneys they won't loose. Ironically so does the NC system as the houses can be allocated, and taxes paid, but they won't have worked that out.

And all it requires in the meantime is a little understanding and patience of those that presently think they are hard done by.



Stand by it John, if you win, they will suddenly all be hailing the hero.



If you loose, so will many hundreds of others, maybe that will be the time when they bring closure to their own situations.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 13:08

I paid maintenance (and worth every penny) on a property I bought and paid in full for but did not own. I stress at this point that I had a trustworthy, professional and honest builder, my reason for non-ownership being that of refusal of PTP on Pre 74 Turkish Title deeds. This meant that transfer of deeds was not possible.

I used all the facilities on site and there was no consideration that I would not pay maintenance.

However having a memorandum on your property and being at risk of losing everything you have paid in full for is completely different to not paying maintenance simply because, as yet, you have not received your deeds.

If you want to look at this from a purely common sense approach I would suggest most buyers aware that they already have lost a substantial amount of money, would draw the line at throwing away even more money for a property they might lose because by law they are responsible for the builders debts. It's a different scenario altogether.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
20/03/2012 13:21

steps426, dont see how you can justify saying 'what would the place look like'...



Wyn has chosen to go down his own road and surely thats his choice in this! What it now looks like to others is if you don't pay you are basically trying the same on Wyn as the builders , which is blackmail!



Pay up even though you don't own the land or have a bank mem on it! ... you are all having a laugh surely...



Pleased that most of you have got your kocans, but why try and make life difficult for another who is standing his ground, your stance is no better than the builders surely? ...

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 13:25

Can I just say that this is a really depressing thread because we should all be supporting each other to buy safely and challenge the laws which prevent this from happening. Instead what we have is victims against victims. Builders that have walked away leaving the mess and the laws that have allowed this to happen are rarely challenged and the fault being dismissed as "should have done your homework" or "move on" even more dismissing "happens in Spain too"



At the end of the day, the outcome for Greatstones customers mirrors many other sites. There are winners and losers, often dependent on how much each individual is prepared to pay over the odds, whose house was completed first, who you know and lots of other reasons that buyers seldom have control over. It really is down to luck because whilst you can reduce the risks you cannot eliminate them. Greatstones had a fantastic reputation on this and other forums 5 years ago. Recommendation I am sure made many buy with this company.

Dillon


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Message Posted:
20/03/2012 13:30

Bradus said “Can I just say that this is a really depressing thread because we should all be supporting each other to buy safely and challenge the laws which prevent this from happening. Instead what we have is victims against victims. Builders that have walked away leaving the mess and the laws that have allowed this to happen are rarely challenged and the fault being dismissed as "should have done your homework" or "move on" even more dismissing "happens in Spain too"

I say; Hear hear well said that man!

Dillon


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Message Posted:
20/03/2012 13:32

Oops, (Blushing face) As an afterthought I thought I'd better check!



Well said that woman!

steps426


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Message Posted:
20/03/2012 13:54

I cant and wont dispute the content of the debate you are putting forward as regards rogue builders etc. bradus, but John Cooper has made a stand of his own choosing, he could have had his Kocan but he did not want it given as it was offered, perhaps on hindsight (it's a wonderful thing) he might have been better engaging with everyone else on site and not putting preconditions on everything, getting his Kocan, then selling up and wiping his hands of the whole saga, but that is another debate.

However I must reiterate that when people and companies are trying to help put to right the wrongs of developers / builders as in the well documented case of pipie -v- Glencoe and that company are blamed for everything that was wrong with the development and it is allowed to run and run on one side with so many lies being told when the other side is continually banned for supposed double ID then that is another matter entirely and needs to be addressed, after all it was a company in its infancy.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
20/03/2012 13:57

Thanks Dillon. Bradus does sound masculine so it's an easy mistake and a frequent one. Bit late to change it now and run the risk of being accused of having multiple identities.

steps426


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Message Posted:
20/03/2012 13:57

Which was taking on a monumental task trying to find out even *who owned* all the apartments to get some money coming into the pot to pay wages etc. and this woman has the gall to do as she was doing and refusing to pay maintenance until it was too late.

And the nonsense is going on on another site as well, fight for your rights YES certainly, but dont blame those who are trying to help and dont make up stories and tell lies just to down people because you nose is out of joint

Amen

wattys


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Posts: 278

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 13:58

Wyn



Keep your chin up if others wish to give you a bad name for standing up for your principles and trying to get a better deal for your cash, and they don't have the balls to do the same i don't think you will lose any sleep.



Good luck mate.



Best wishes to the ladywyn.

inthesun


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Message Posted:
20/03/2012 21:32

'Money's the root of all evil' - and here he comes again!

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
20/03/2012 23:42

"Love of money is the root of all evil" Not" money is the root of all evil " It's the "Love" that matters, as usual.

Marble


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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 06:25

John: Any chance of a response to mess 109. Repeated below:-



John: Back to basics 2012. The road was never designed, let alone built, to a standard acceptable to the Govt. It is & will always be a PRIVATE road maintained by the villa owners. All villa owners that should be, not 18 out of 19. You are quick to be the beneficial owner to collect the rent but not prepared to contribute to the road upkeep.



In message 74 you undertake to put the FULL amount into the pot. If you will state categorically this sum in GBP's I will refrain from any further contributions on this topic. State the sum numerically with no proviso or caveats.

inthesun


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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 07:49

Spot on Mackers (130) - and there it is in a nutshell!

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 22:40

Cyprus B,



I deeply resent my affairs being discussed on an open forum.



Simple fact



In 2009 I visited my Munir Akil, along with my son.He telephoned Tazir the builder, who accepted our offer of

£6500 (100% of the contract price, plus extras.The next day the full amount was delivered to his office. By agreement that money was to go into a site fund. I returned to the UK and E mailed all Greatstone members

that agreement had been reachedand the monies paid.



You intervened and stopped the transaction, demanding a further £3500. I refused. I made it perfectly clear that if my offer was not accepted.It would be withdrawn and the matter handed to my Advocate. in strict accordance with the contractrual terms. WITHOUT ANY INTERFERENCE the site kiitty would have benefitted

by the full £6500.



There was a subsequent opportunity when you felt that you could help, and as requested some £7500 was paid over. You could not help, and my advocate had to demand the return.......cont

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 22:54

Points of Concern,



" This man has made no contribution to site Funds" I put £6500 on the table.



"Some people had to pay for their own white goods" Correct We did. My wife and I had to take Taylan to HSBC



and hand over £7500 in cash. in order to get ours.



" Collect rent" There has been No occupation of the property and therefore NO RENT.



I have undertaken to make a full contribution to site funds, either when the property is rented, or I receive my



kochan Parcellisation costs plus any matter where I have benefitted. (stated several times)





In short.



I pay £2500 pa for garden Pool and Villa maintainance (is that not a site contribution?)



I have paid twice for electricity and water installation to the villa.



I have no kochan and have to pay a considerable sum which includes the builders taxes, as well as my own



and contributing to the builders unpaid creditors (is that not a contribution?)



"Love of money is the root of all evil"

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 22:58

cont



I could not agree more.



As Bradus said, This has been a depressing post...............



Look back what the post was all about.............Villa for long term rent.........and you wonder why!



The discount I negotiated was just an offset for what I would have received in interest from the bank.



wynyardman

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 23:00

My quote "Love of money is the root of all evil" was a correction of an erroneous quote, in msg 129. No insult ment to you, John.

newlad



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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 23:03

John,



Why not request it to be closed down now.Enough is enough,my friend,



Paul.

spider


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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 23:12

Wyn did you hit the red link top right of this thread.



Good luck in finding someone to rent it very soon..But keep pushing it out there.



Spider,X

spider


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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 23:14

Oh and please is Dee the old Dee44 who used to post on here ?







Spider,X

simbas



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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 23:21

Marble





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Posts: 7



Message Posted:

11/10/2008 00:06









Reply





Message 3 of 19 in Discussion - EDIT POST







Hi,



I'm a buyer of Great Stone Construction & would advise anyone to stay well away from this company. { your words }



You have first hand knowledge of this company and you know what their morals are . You are warning people about them , and yet you target John for making a stand ??? a bit misguided don't you think

Simbas

newlad



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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 23:26

Miss Marples eh Slimblos.Very impressive,



Paul.

spider


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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 23:58

Nice one Simbas..



The things mods can do, love it..





Spider,X

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 00:11

I noticed that too Simbas



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/5490.asp



One of the few Greatstones threads not to be closed down. However if my memory serves me right Marble was not the only one to give out warnings about this building company. Unfortunately others were shot down as the usual doom and gloom merchants and people were told to ignore their warnings. Even on Frank and Joan's diary, which is still there for reading, the information that this company was going to declare bankruptcy and was in severe financial hardship was challenged and the person suggesting this was lambasted.



I can understand why people ignored these warnings because Greatstones initially appeared to have many posters recommending them.Their reputation was superb according to the buyers. Perhaps it was the usual problem of people making recommendations and suggesting it is safe to buy BEFORE THEY HAVE GOT PTP, LET ALONE DEEDS.

BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 00:24

Greatstone 1 is a great example of what can be achieved when things start to go wrong on your site. It seemed the site was doomed but some how Mrs Arundel with the help of Marion Stokes & a few others managed to get most of the owners pulling in the same direction which isn't easy when many of them are living in the UK & just don't realize what goes on here. But with a lot of hard work & determination Mrs Arundel pulled it off & owners now have deeds. I believe she is now helping another Greatstone site with there problems. Every troubled site needs a Lady like this on it as it's a waste of time & money asking your lawyer to do anything as most of them will be working for your developer not you!

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 00:41

"a waste of time & money asking your lawyer to do anything, as most of them will be working for your developer not you"



Too true. Which is why people advise you to use an Advocate outside the area. Never one recommended by the Developer or Estate Agent and certainly not the ONE most used on this particular site but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Marble


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Posts: 9

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 01:36

John: Still waiting for a response...................







John: Any chance of a response to mess 109. Repeated below:-







John: Back to basics 2012. The road was never designed, let alone built, to a standard acceptable to the Govt. It is & will always be a PRIVATE road maintained by the villa owners. All villa owners that should be, not 18 out of 19. You are quick to be the beneficial owner to collect the rent but not prepared to contribute to the road upkeep.







In message 74 you undertake to put the FULL amount into the pot. If you will state categorically this sum in GBP's I will refrain from any further contributions on this topic. State the sum numerically with no proviso or caveats.

simbas



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Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 07:48

Msg 146 , why ? he doesn't have to answer to you or anyone else , re msg 74 , read it properly . You have joined this forum purposely to clearly expose the builders or at the very least to warn people of their possible problems they would have with them , as your 1st post suggests .

simbas

steps426


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Posts: 108

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 08:39

Simbas,

The particular post from marble was made with foresight in 2008, they were a buyer and saw the signs, I think he/she was VERY correct in making the warning as would anyone else reading it properly, especially the way things have turned out with Greatstone, but not necessarily with the site concerned as 18 of 19 owners on there have got much of what they dreamed of, all be it having paid more than bargained for for the privilege, in keeping with many many people who have found themselves in similar positions.

John has made his stand, fine, but he has not put into the pot for upkeep, yet his service providers use the road regularly, his backwash water was being pumped into the road, so do you not think it is fair that owners who are putting into the pot should wish to have him do the same, his argument that he will when things are to his satisfaction dont wash, he should be doing it now.

steps426


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Posts: 108

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 08:42

John is making a stand - who against ?? the other owners ?? if so why ??

If against the builders why should that affect the situation re paying a share of upkeep on the site with owners.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 11:14

steps426, think a lot of people are loosing patience with how someone is expected to pay upkeep for something they may never own!



Isn't your constant arguing for others to pay going down the same road as that of builders? ...Blackmail?



If the backwash is going all over your road, surely a pipe or just a little diversion that you,who live there , could surely do...



Save all this nasty stuff on a small complex...

inthesun


Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 11:38

'Oh! What a tangled web he weaves.When first he practices to deceive'

inthesun


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Message Posted:
22/03/2012 12:10

Message 140. Hi Simbas, as you've managed to trawl through 'Marbles' history of postings, and questioned his motives, (simply explained by message 148), maybe you could show a fair, balanced and unprejudiced approach, expected of a forum administrator, by also reviewing all the postings made by 'Wynyardman'. You may end up drawing a picture of someone who is not quite as open and honest as he would have us believe.

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 17:07

Spider. No I am not Dee44, I remember the name though, and some of her old posts, I think she may have lived in the UK from some of her postings at the time.

Cyprus8


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Posts: 189

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 17:08

John Cooper - You have always discussed your affairs on an open forum ever since you first bought a villa here.



You have also cleverly campaigned since the very beginning to get everyones sympathy vote. I remember when you originally signed your contract with the builder and you came on this forum telling everyone 'Your pool was included in your contract, and now the builder was going to charge you for it'. Everyone on the forum was horrified at the poor treatment you were enduring, including me.



I was amazed at the time because everyone else on our site, had their pool clearly written in red on the contract as an extra. Then one day I asked you what had actually happened back then. Your story was.....

Cyprus8


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Posts: 189

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 17:08

"I was pulling a bit of a fast one really, because I came out and put a large deposit down on the villa, then when I got home I found out somebody else on the site had paid 5k less. So I told Tas I wanted it cheaper, and he refused. I then stayed up all night reading the contract over and over, trying to find a mistake in it, to make it null and void. I have been in business for years and I know how these things work."



You said that after hours, you realised that although the pool was clearly stated as an extra in red, the wording on the final payment could be challenged. You said in the payment plan it said "the final payment is due on completion of the villa and pool". So you then told the builder that you would not be paying for a pool as an extra, but when the time comes, you would not be making your final payment either unless a pool was built as well.

Cyprus8


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Posts: 189

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 17:09

You said you came out here and gave Tas 3 options. One, null and void your contract and return your deposit. Two, reduce the villa price as you had requested. Three, build you a pool for free. This is your story John, not the builders. You said you were delighted because you won.



In the meantime everyone on this forum was reading 'My builder is suddenly making me pay for my pool that is included in my contract', 'I am an honest man', 'I am a team player', 'I have the contract as proof'. You may think this is reasonable behaviour, but the point is, you allow everyone else to believe you are the 'victim', when in reality you are far from it.



I am certainly not on the side of the builder here, he left us with a big mess to sort out. I am just highlighting an example of how you have deceived people since the very beginning, and you are still doing it now.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 17:57

Yawn yawn yawn.

I am not quite sure what anyone is trying to achieve on this thread but you ain't going to achieve it here. As with most of the other property threads everyone keeps going around in circles. It is a shame that there appears to be so much hatred bottled up in some of the posters on here. Hatred consumes you and unless you all get to grips with it you will carry that hatred for the rest of your life.

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 19:03

Well said AJ, can whole heartedly agree with you ....

Bradus


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Message Posted:
22/03/2012 19:19

It's called discussion AJ. It is an eye-opener for those considering buying or have bought and find themselves in a similar situation. No doubt with 1400 property memorandums in place many will be following the thread with interest, learning from others mistakes and gaining valuable information, as to how people have dealt with this. Believe it or not often these threads lead to people contacting each other off board for further support. I have long been aware that you dislike any negative information regarding the TRNC whether truthful or not, but this is life in the TRNC for many buyers.



What you see as hatred is not necessarily what others see. I can and do openly criticise the TRNC but it's to help people from becoming a victim of a property scam. I never feel consumed with hatred, indeed the opposite, positively helping people make an informed decision is rewarding. I know others feel the same

and considering their experiences they are far from consumed with hatred.

steps426


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Message Posted:
22/03/2012 19:27

It might be a yawn to you AJ but its about damned time people on this and other forums learned the real truth about these so called lily white people and how they spin their webs of deceit allowing gullible people to think they are as pure as the driven snow, these people just like those who steal from charities etc. are just as despicable because they tell a story that is not truth and the truth will be told no matter how many yawns you have, if you dont like it then you dont have to read it, but it must be said and it must be driven home.

Again it is not for you to say what we can or cant acchieve, so if you have nothing constructive to say leave well alone thank you!

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 19:41

Bradus



'It's called discussion AJ.'



Discussion? all I see is a war between two groups of people. I am not quite sure what helpful information you think that potential buyers would get out of this thread. All it has done for me is make me realize that you can never trust your own countrymen.



'I have long been aware that you dislike any negative information regarding the TRNC'



What has this spat got to do with the TRNC? It happens everywhere not just the TRNC, It is all about two groups of Brit Expats falling out with each other and I have seen that happen all over the world.

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 19:48

Plenty of versions of the truth on this thread. Which one is correct ?.......who knows ? In any dispute,truth is the first casualty.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 20:14

AJ, how can you play down such negativity about the TRNC?



"What has this got to do with the TRNC"



Everything! The builder was Turkish Cypriot, Memorandums were put on properties purchased in the TRNC. The laws of the TRNC failed to protect the buyers. Residents were put in a position where they needed to take control and finish off their properties. One buyer is still at risk of losing his TRNC property despite having fully paid for it.



"What helpful information do you think that potential buyers would get""



Loads! What a memorandum is and how it can impact on your property purchase. How it makes you the buyer responsible for the builders debts. How a group of residents worked together and overcame this problem. That one buyer is to test beneficial owner status in the TRNC courts. What Advocate not to use. Not to buy from this particular builder.



All valuable information which if not discussed would not highlight some of the known existing problems.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 20:22

Bradus

My whole point is that all of what has been posted on this thread has been done to death time and time again and there is nothing new in any of the information presented in any of the postings on this thread. All that is happening is certain people are intent on scoring points over others. Arguing and bickering does not prove anything to anyone.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 20:33

As for the above happening elsewhere in the world, this is totally irrelevant. This forum is about the TRNC and this thread is about property purchase/maintenance issues HERE. Knowing that such things happen elsewhere just deflects from the subject and helps no one.



It is about two groups of Brits and their experience of buying in the TRNC. Their "spat" is because of this and cannot be disassociated from the cause.



Just don't read or respond to the threads that annoy you AJ. No need for the yawn, yawn or attempt to prevent others sharing their experiences. Just don't go there.



All will be happy.

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 20:33

AJ there are new people joining this board every day who have NOT read about these things and also there is a lot of new information coming out now that has never been revealed before, so please let people have their say, it is time to see where the REAL truth lies, as I said before you are a member but you dont have to read this if you find it so boring, but you obviously enjoy commenting - with respect ;)

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 21:04

Ok a challenge for you Bradus.

Rather than seeing all of these vindictive spats that I believe do not bring any information to potential buyers, how about starting a thread (with the help of a few others that delight in indulging in personal spats) itemizing all of the problems that potential buyers should be aware of but without resorting to personal accusations. That would surely do more good than a lot of the crap that has been posted on here recently.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 21:22

I accept your challenge. I will present a factual account of the particular pitfalls and problems facing buyers in the TRNC. As you can imagine, this will be a rather lengthy post, so please give me some time to prepare it. All CYP 44 users can then contribute by giving their opinions, good or bad.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 21:25

Bradus

Good on yer.

inthesun


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Posts: 43

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 21:34

Come on boys, you're detracting from the opportunity this advert has given people, to encourage Cooper back into the fold, or have his manipulative character hung out to dry.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 21:42

Sorry inthesun,



Yes we have gone off topic. As AJ suggested we will start another thread and leave this one to run or be closed at Wyn's/Greatstones residents request.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 22:02

Steps426.

Re my message 153 thank you for clarification. And sorry to both yourself and Dee44 for any offence not intended to either.



Please could you state how you might be towards any future renter Wyn might possibly get. Would you be happy to help with any problems that may arise and would you be willing to let them have use of the road.



This is a thread looking for renters.



Spider,X

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 22:40

Spider - I personally would have no issues with any tenants. The problems have arisen from the Landlord not the tenants.



Not sure what you mean by 'happy to help with any problems'. Obviously if there were an emergency I would help anybody .....even the landlord



As for letting them have use of the road, I have neither the time nor the mental energy to set up road blocks or walk up and down with a placard.......LOL.



I can't answer for everyone else, but most people here are genuinely nice people. They would just feel considerably happier knowing John had contributed towards the road his tenants are using.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 23:01

That's very nice to hear after all the postings on here



Now why not just let the thread get back on topic. Post one is trying to rent out his property.



Maybe some posting on here have put future renters off. Maybe not ?



Now who's looking for somewhere to live Wyn has a very nice place for rent here. I have never seen it but hope to one day soon.



Spider,X

Marble


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 23:14

Simbas: Apologies for tardy response to your message 140 but have been somewhat engaged correcting an inherited Greatstone problem. I take no pleasure in being proved right over my concerns, in 2008, about Greatstone Construction. Equally, I have nothing but support for JC in taking Greatstone to task in the Courts. I am also minded to take legal action against Greatstone. However, we need to move on & I have contributed to the funds that have provided and maintained a road, water supply etc on site. So have 17 others. For one individual out of nineteen not to contribute to me is beyond comprehension.

And when that person proposes to rent out (and take the income) from a potential 10 renters without making a financial contribution I find that totally indefensible.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 23:22

So now there are a potential 10 renters. All the better ! Perhaps they could also post their properties to rent too.



Maybe their thread would not get hijacked ?



Good luck to each and every one of you on this site that would like to rent your property out. Lets hope you all do ! Now what would be a fare rent for something like what's of offer to rent on your site please.



Thanks



Spider,X Thank goodness we rent

GinaC


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Message Posted:
22/03/2012 23:38

If this topic was about or aimed at any other member of 44 it would have been closed days ago. But poor Wyn takes the flack like a man.



Yes AJ hates to see anything negative about his "home land" don't we all but sometimes AJ you need to look outside of your perfect little life and see what is beyond your half full glass. Sackcloth and ashes or what!

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 23:49

its turning into a slanging match now , and certain posters have posted more than the OP , we all have dirty washing , but best to keep it indoors ,

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/03/2012 23:53

Agree rowlo.



No need for all of this at all ! We get told time and time again to keep on topic.



Renters needed please read post one, BTTT for Wyn.





Spider,X

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 00:13

Well spider I don't agree with rowlo! (unusual I know)



I wish I had a few quid everytime someone had told me to "Not to Wash my Dirty Laundry in Public" over the last 8 years!



The "hole" place could do with a good wash for both renters & those daft enough to buy! just my opinion of course! but it's never good to dry washing indoors anywhere in the world it can cause many problems for the next person who lives there!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 00:38

Washing dirty linen or telling it like it is?

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 13:49

Sadly I have heard of so many sites recently, where the owners do not yet have their kochan, for a variety of reasons.



I would be interested to know what happens with their sites. Do all of those people refuse to pay for any of the site upkeep? Or have t

Cyprus8


Joined: 07/10/2007
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 13:50

ooops......wrong button.



I was going to ask, if they are not paying for any upkeep of their sites, what has happened to it? Ours would very quickly go into disrepair. Weeds, rainwater getting under bricks etc.



Just interested, thats all.

tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 14:56

Well, and whilst not speaking for all, the few expats living full time on the Sercem site near Bahçeli voluntarily remove the weeds from the kerbs/sweep the streets. Kocans have not been forthcoming despite numerous reassurances there are no problems (however, land has been re-mortaged after sales contract registered, broken promises/breaches of contract, the developer has long flown the nest). Esentepe Bele. will not turn on street lights, provide mains H2O or clean the roads as there are but 4 families here (out of 33 villas) permanently. I guess if the few did not, the site would soon become an eye-sore. Many weekend owners just leave their rubbish in plastic bags on the side of the road at the end of the visit and the wild beasts scatter it all over the street - another 'perk' for the expats here to clean up. Deep joy!!

oliveoil


Joined: 16/03/2008
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 02:08

I have to say that TQB is a very sad case in point, despite several owners forming themselves into a committee and trying to run things from England the one person that is working there and doing his bess cannot keep up with the work, theres now weeds everywhere, but more worrying many of the apartment blocks thereselves are in a very bad state of disrepair and very damp & the water system fell into such a bad state that everybody has now to put in ugly huge tanks at there own expense, the roads in places are collapsing in and so are the pavements, but it takes money to do all this and sadly there is not enough of this coming in

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 08:57

Oliveoil. I disagree re your comments on TQB. First of all the upkeep of the apartments are an owners responsibility not a maintenance issue.



The site Turquoise bay has on been self run for only 8 months has less than half paying into the maintenance pot yet shows a surplus.





The site employs just one gardener/handy man and up to now in my view shows signs of coping very well.





Turquoise bay being self run means any profits eventually will be ploughed back into the site so then improvements should be seen to the site.





However in our families view who own on Turquoise bay. We strongly support a self run owners site lead by some very hard working owners, with less than half the site paying has done wonders in my opinion and all should be commended.





Just 8 months ago the self run site went into action now moving on TQB has just less than half the site paying maintenance more owners are seeing the light and coming on board and paying.





TQB shows clear trans

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 09:02

TQB shows clear transparency sent out to all owners on a regualr basis.



TQB is moving on Oliveoil maybe you should !! No more from me folks on TQB just needed to put the record straight !!



Sorry to have gone off topic Wyn !!

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 09:20

No personal insults allowed - I must remember this !



OF course it shows a surplus - 20% of paying owners paid a full year so I would hope so - duh !



When will improvements show - in another 5 years time ?



I have mentioned before - blinkered people, you see only what you want to see.



Unfortunately the record is stuck pipie - and far from straight, you have done all of this before telling things as they are not ! and singing the praises of a M/C who were systematically ripping owners off for over 2 years while achieving nothing.



You went off topic in message 4 pipie so in effect taking this thread all over the place.



I can find no where anybody saying the apartments were not owners responsibility but how can you possibly allude to the apartment blocks not being the owners responsibility now after some of the comments you made on here in the past about common areas not being cleaned and maintained by the M/C, a bit two faced wouldn't you agree ?.

inthesun


Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 18:56

If more people had taken 'Whineys' chosen route of non-payment into the site fund, and pursuing the builder through the courts, the site would probably now be uninhabited, and falling into a state of disrepair - ring any bells? No - then look around. It's easy calling the shots when you live in a luxury mansion house in Wynyard, U.K. - and only visit the TRNC once in a blue moon. Is your villa just an extravagant flutter, just a bit of amusement?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 23:10

Here we go again........Yawn



Msg 153/156 You really should get out more!



No I never asked for a free swimming pool.I sat for one week with the builder to iron out the errors on my contract. It was settled amicably! and confirmed in writing on my return to the UK.



EVERY payment was made either on or before the due date.



I have not contributed to site costs. We have never occupied the villa or used the fascilities other than any use

by tradesmen in the normal course of their business.



HOW MANY TIMES we intend to make a full contribution when the fascilities are used by renters, or when we receive our Kochan, a full contribution to parcelisation costs Legally we cannot do so before!



Msg 189.



I pay £2500 pa to maintain the villa and Gardens (for the benefit of other residents)



As to my Luxury Mansion house in Wynyard. What is that to do with you. If you would like to call round some time, I will smack you in the teeth. By the way it is a 3 bedroom bun

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 23:11

cont



bungalow. Grt a life!



wynyardman

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 23:22

Well said Wyn.





Good luck with renting your place.





Spider,X

lancashirelad


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 23:31

'If you would like to call round some time, I will smack you in the teeth.'



Ever the gentleman

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 23:31

And finally..........Yawn! Yawn!



I seek no ones sympathy. I post to warn others of the pitfalls.



I have not paid more than my contract price. No I do not have my kochan yet.I am persuing the path of



Beneficial ownership, which hopefully will benefit others in the future.



As I warned you when you demanded more than I owed, that was the path I would persue and the £6500 I



offerred the kitty, would be spent on legal fees.



IT WAS YOUR DECISION TO REFUSE......................It is up to others to pay!



Of course the matter is regretted.





Certainly all the postings on here have done little to benefit Greatstone Park residents.



Look back...........The posting was............. Villa for long term rental.



I can be contacted on wynyardman@btinternet.com. Portfolio of photographs on demand.





wynyardman

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 00:33

Message 192....Perhaps Mr Cooper would like you & the dogs you hope to look after in his Villa........As for gentleman Wyn.........true colours shown.

Why are you all taken in by this bully, he posted lies about "The Wicks" on here & the apology when proved he was wrong was inadequate to say the least. I don't hold many grudges but this man deserves all he gets.

And before Dopey Cows sticks her nose in, it has nothing to do with you.

This has shown that some people think they can buy people & in this case, whatever you say it has backfired.

I don't post much, but this posting so incensed me I felt I had to.

And yes it is personal.

Paul................now waiting for the flack