A Cypriot lady says No to Oil Terminal in North Cyprus

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
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Message Posted:
19/03/2012 14:43

To PaxBaris, dippersgirl, loobie444,delikomsu and others interested in preventing the proposed Fuel Terminal from being sited in the Karpaz or any where else in North Cyprus.



Yesterday I was speaking to a Cypriot lady who is actively campaigning to prevent this project from being built in the the TRNC. She is taking a serious stance and lobbying the Prime Minister and other Government Departments, I told her of the Ex- Pats on this forum who are also against this proposed project and who may wish to offer their support to her.



Should anyone feel so inclined to support her and protect the environment of the TRNC please e mail her at ayse_donmezer@yahoo.com (She is fluent in English.)



Thanks for taking the time to read this.

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 21:10

Thanks for that . I will contact her and will also tell her about the petition organised by Germans and Cypriots living in Germany

slatnumber7


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Posts: 299

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 23:36

Good on yer dippersgirl, Ayse, for the benefit of 'Kuzey Kibris' needs all the support she can be given. She is very passionate about this matter and wants to ensure all interested parties are coordinated.



Would those who intend to contact Ayse by e mail kindly leave a message on this post to that effect to keep the post at the top to optimise good publicity.



Thanks all in anticipation.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 00:55

Ayse is not the only one. So are Lois and Cemal at Buyukkonuk and have formed a group which has been tyring to talk to the government. I would not be surprisede if Ayse was not one of them.

It was good to read that it is considered that this country could not really sustain maintenance of any such project without there being something nasty happening (like an explosion and so on). Anyone who has seen such a happening will know what a danger to life in the immediate and also for the future, it can be. Let's hope that greed will not prevail over caring.

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 03:45

God almighty now she is an environmental campaigner, add this to Teacher, theatre critic,travel advisor,thespian,quiz mistress,newspaper reporter, defender of the downtrodden,journalist and author,photographer and an 'expert in all'



I find this subject a complete NIMBY subject, on one moment you want recognition and investment for TRNC and then the next you oppose it. I agree the Karpaz probably isn't the best location but then suggest where is? The last location near Lefke was turned down god knows why it seamed an ideal location as the old copper mines need that sort of investment.



You should all go and live in Karmi With the other ancient Brits and moan about how it used to be.

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 07:26

It has got to go somewhere.

Geoff

Famagusta City.

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 13:23

Why has it 'got to go somewhere????????? Convince me!!

Somebody answer these questions:



1) Is this fuel for the benefit of the community



2) Will the community make money



3) will there be lots of employment



4) Are there enough emergency vehicles etc should a Buncefield situation arise



5) will it be so discreet, that tourist will not see it?



6) does the Karpaz and the rest of North Cyprus need tourist??



7) should we have more of this sort of this and abandon tourism?



Answers invited!!

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 14:21

I’ve looked and been unable to find out who in fact wants to build this fuel storage depot, is it proposed by the TRNC, Turkey, an oil exploration consortium, who is going to own/manage the proposed installation, from and to where will the oil, gas, tar and petroleum products come from and be sent to, is someone proposing another Sullom Voe terminal or will there be any refining?

There is lots of information out there in opposition to the project but very little about the project itself, any input would be appreciated.

delikomsu



Joined: 27/10/2010
Posts: 504

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 14:33

hippo, think you have a lot to learn about people and life, even at your age. NIMBY is an insult to everyone who actively campaigns to save endangered environments around the world, we don't all want to live in concrete jungles. I am moving to Turkey but am still prepared to support the Hands off Karpaz, the same as I support protection of the Amazon etc. We need more positively active individuals in this world please not negative moaners and we don't all want to live in Karmi thank you very much!

dippersgirl



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Posts: 795

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 20:54

Dillon, mess 8

When I first read about it in Cyprus Today and also another paper, possibly Kibris, it said, that it would be a fuel storage facility, for ships to come and unload the fuel and then sell in on to other countries in the Eastern Mediteranean Region, and not for Cyprus at all. purely a money making business. If it would really benefit a lot of people living here....

I presume there will be very few people better off ( mostly the ones who have got enough money already) and certainly not the ones who desperately need jobs.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 21:17

You are all fighting a loosing battle ,the Oil Companies rule the modern world,,and start Wars ,and depose Leaders to protect themselves....Money Talks...To the Cartels the environment is just a word...It is sad but true..

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 21:26

@ Dippersgirl Message 10, Yes that’s as much as I have also read, but I’m still unclear about my questions in Message 8, who are the stakeholders in the project, are they public or private, is this simply a commercial venture of the oil companies or is it an installation of strategic value to someone? I find it really strange that none of this background information is in the public domain.

dippersgirl



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Message Posted:
20/03/2012 22:12

I find it strange that there is very little info about,



I have a journalist friend in Nicosia and she has also reported on this, going to see her in a couple of weeks and hope she knows more by then

rowlo



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Message Posted:
20/03/2012 23:12

if they decide to relocate it to the ROC and millions of £ s of revenue pour in , will they still feel the same ?

Dillon


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Message Posted:
20/03/2012 23:17

Who are 'they' and how will the revenue be generated?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
20/03/2012 23:37

answering a question with a question rarely works .

Hippo


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Message Posted:
21/03/2012 06:17

delikomsu



For your information I am an environmentalist, member of Green Peace and Deniztemiz Turmepa but I am also a realist.pity you aren't.

I also in a past life wrote environmental impact assessments so I do know what I am talking about.



This country needs investment and if it means that one piece of countryside has to be built on then I am sorry but hard luck.



I also said that that I agreed that the Karpaz id not the right place but then where is?



Instead of dismissing the project outright what should be done is to work with the planners to make sure the design is correct, the right safeguards are put in place and the meximium amount of planning gain is got.



At the moment the biggest protagonists are the ones with something personal to lose which falls right into the NIMBY bracket.

As for one of the posters they just cant keep thier nose out.

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 06:58

@Rowlo, Message 16, Answering a question with another is pertinent when the first is unclear, who do you mean when you say ‘they decide to relocate’ and ‘will they still feel the same? How do you know the depot will contribute towards a revenue stream, will it be part of a National fuel storage or larger military strategy that will not generate revenue?

Hippo said, Message 17, “Instead of dismissing the project outright what should be done is to work with the planners to make sure the design is correct, the right safeguards are put in place and the maximum amount of planning gain is got.” Agreed, but in order to do this, the public need to know what exactly is planned first, it’s not surprising there are a host of petitions against the project as no one knows anything about it, the only information available is that it will be a Top Tier Major Accident Hazard Site for Life and the Environment, that should be enough for concern in everybody's book.

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 07:22

Marion with respect (Msg 4) you are detracting from the whole point of Ayse Donmezer's campaign. I'm sure she is aware of the residents of Bukukkonuk's efforts in trying to talk to the Government about relocating this proposed Fuel Terminal.



However, she is lobbying the Government and getting responses. Her interest lies in gaining the support of members of this forum who wish to oppose the proposed project and not offer them the options of joining splinter groups.

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 07:25

Hippo (Msg 5) no NIMBYISM on my part, you know where I live and I was astounded when Geminkonagi was turned down in favour of the Karpaz. Something does need to be done with the old CMC site, whether or not it is a suitable location for the proposed Fuel Terminal is a matter for Cypriots to decide with the support of foreigners and not a decision for foreigners.My first thought when I heard that Gemikonagi was not to be the location for the terminal was 'bugger' think of the all the potential for rugby players amongst the foreign workers that such a terminal would attract to the area, Guzelyurt & Lefke RUFC could most certainly do with some experienced players and it would be good for the local economy too.

My over riding thought is still the question of, is proposing the Karpaz area for the project just merely a stalking horse to see the project finally return and be sited at Gemikonagi?

Fancy suggesting the residents of Karmi are ancient moaning Luddites and Brits to boot?

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 07:26

dippersgirl, Dillon e mail the Cypriot lady Ayse, ask her these questions, she may know or at least pose them. In any event it gives interested journalists and campaigners the opportunity of asking these questions publicly and why this information is being with held.