anyone fancy buying ercan airport?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 14:45

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/finance/10651015.asp?scr=1

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 14:47

http://arama.hurriyet.com.tr/arsivnews.aspx?id=10638810

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 14:50

Perhaps more tourists will be attracted to NC.

Turkish airlines have started to advertise NC on the London underground. Recently pegasus did so.



http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/finance/10652495.asp?gid=244

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 15:01

Mark,

Excellent posts.My gut feeling tells me that the americans will be bidding very strongly for Ercan Airport.Could this be the first step for direct flights.Its also time that the n.c.tourist board got its arse in gear and started to promote the island more the way that the pound is against the euro.Happy new year,



Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 15:04

Pikey,

I think Ercan could be a gold mine for the correct investor.You need to think outside the box my friend.Happy new year,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 15:27

Pikey,

Maybe my comments where made when i was wearing my rose tinted specs.But i see it as an ideal oppurtunity (direct flights permitting) to invest in an airport that is so well sited strategically.Larnaca is a busy airport so why not Ercan.Dont you think that it is time to move on and think to the future.I honestly think that if money where spe the north would flourish.Or are you being selfish,as you dont want this to happen.

Paul.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
27/12/2008 15:32

Nice one Mark,



It is only a matter of time before Ercan will be recognised as a major airport. Hence this will cut out Paphos and Larnaca for a lot of the good people travelling to the TRNC.



Well said Paul. The future is ahead and the past has to be buried.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 15:42

Pikey,

Mess 7.If at all possible the americans like to have their fingers in any pie that they can lay their hands.Look at the proximity to Israel,Turkey Russia.Trust me my friend they are very interested in what goes on in this so called "back water" that you care to call it.it seems to me that you are quite happy for n.c. to carry on under the command of its g.c.neighbours.Having to go cap in hand to them all the time.2009 is the time for change.And change for the better for the people of Northern Cyprus,

Regards,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 15:45

Patrick,

Long time no hear, hope you are well Happy new year.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 16:02

Pikey,

Please accept my apology re "selfish".As i said earlier my comments are made through rose tinted glasses.Perhaps no one is interested in investing in Northern Cyprus because there are so many people like your self with such negative thoughts about the area.How do you know that there are no prospect for direct flights.Are you privy to this kind of information.If so then please share it with us.



How are the north expected to compete with the south if investment is not made.I see investment in Ercan as a sprat to catch a mackerel.And i dont see myself as a "speculating foreigner", anyway.Just someone who eventually would like to live in the area and help the economy to grow.So your comment re-"speculating foreigner" i also find out of order,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 16:03

Surely 40 million is a snip for the airport anyway,

Paul.

Tiggy


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Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
27/12/2008 16:16

Fine Paul, & a good 2009 to you.



I'm trying to stay positive as usual!!



Reunification to some is for the GC to be the dominant party. Unless they realise as in N.I. power sharing has to be as equal as can be then the stalemate will exist. No Canary Wharfs or Manchester City centre type places to bring down to make governments listen to the people.



From what I have seen is the Israeli's and the Germans are pouring a hell of a lot of money in to the North with the Brits and other nations looking for good investments as well.



Would it not be a wonderful world to see all Cypriots using the name Cypriot and not two sections of it.



If Ercan takes off, then you will see a big drop in passengers travelling to Paphos and Larnaca.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 16:25

"If Ercan takes off" very good matey.Also lots of investment from Scandanavia and Russia i have been told,

Paul.

CJtill


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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 16:48

PtePike is course correct in what he says.

So lets forget about non stop flights to Ercan, and talks of reunification as either will never happen.

Let life carry on as it is in the TRNC, and welcome with open arms the Greeks who visit our casinos and lose their hard earned.

We should also wish them a speedy return (to the casinsos that is) as they make their way back across the border to their homes in the south.

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
27/12/2008 16:48

It won't be long before direct flights are agreed, it makes no sense to allow people to fly to Larnaca then transfer but not to fly direct.



ILC, in your second article is states over 2m tourists last year and growing I wonder how many of the 2m came via Larnaca it seems to me that hypocrissy rules again ?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
27/12/2008 16:57

Pikey calm down, Ercan will happen, this side will get direct flights and the North will flourish...you really must accept this.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 17:00

Pikey, stop being a drama queen

The island has been very stable for the last 34yrs and as for Turkey wanting to stop handouts any proof of this.



Im sure the UK want to stop a lot of handouts it gives all over the world but will not because thats what nice people do......help others

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
27/12/2008 17:02

Msg 22,



Did you sit up hoping to see Father Christmas this year? Do you also believe no expats will have their homes and assets in the UK seized, the TRNC property market is booming and the European Court of Justice will ignore the determination of its own advisor?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 17:05

Turtle: "The island has been very stable for the last 34yrs..."



And under this "stable" isolation the Turkish Cypriot people and culture have been steadily eroded to the point they are now outnumbered and ruled by foreigners in their own country. Not that the welfare of the Turkish Cypriots appears to be any concern of yours.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 17:15

North Cyprus is govened by the TRNC govenment made up of Turkish Cypriots

and if you are correct that the TC numbers have been eroded (which is not true) as soon as the south stops its persecutions then they will all be back and wouldn't you just love that

CJtill


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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 17:16

Not sure how peoples UK assets will be seized as surely a summons would have to be issued first in the good old TRNC. As the post is not getting through and the Greeks have no jurisdiction here then how does the process begin?

Unless you sign and accept such documents then nothing will happen. So if you see someone wearing black and answering to the name of Costos skulking around your garden, then raise the drawbridge and point him to the nearest gambling house.

Tiggy


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Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
27/12/2008 18:31

Well you will need a stable runway and no erotion!



some little cuckoo in his Christmas tunic is trying to hijack the Ercan airport thread.



So back to the hopes of all the TRNC peeps looking forward to a little prosperity and having the best unspoilt part of the Island for generations to come.

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 18:43

Isnt there an airport close to Ercan that has a longer runway.Is this still in use,



Paul.

Hector


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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 19:14

Wasn't it due to be upgraded with private investment? Asil Nadir was involved. They were going to use it for exporting fresh vegetables etc worldwide for the big supermarkets. Contracts were signed, all big smiles. Ended in tears of course, teddies thrown about.

Hector


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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 19:16

I also read that because of new airline distance rates, Larnarca with BA would cost 60 euros more than Pathos. I wonder where Ercan would fit in distance wise? 2000 miles springs to mind.

bachelibelly


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 275

Message Posted:
27/12/2008 19:18

Is Ercan on Pre 74 Turkish Title, or is it Exchange/Esdeger land,need to know before i go to see me Bank manager at HBOS about a loan and me ADVOCAAT about a watertight contract( I was recommended a good one by the manager at Ercan so he must be good) !!!!!!!

andysue


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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 19:51

paul re message 23. its getickale ( think its spelt like that) built by the americans it can take large military and domestic freight , read on here while ago it would be claimed back by the U.S as forward opperating base if a major mid east conflict blew up " as isreal is as we speak conducting bombing practice in the gaza srip" watch this space



andy

Hector


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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 19:53

Gecitkale airport was the one I was thinking of earlier with Asil Nadir et al. Not sure what happened to all the grand plans there was for that airport.



One thread

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/3315.asp

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
27/12/2008 19:59

Thanks Andy/Hector.Should have remembered seeing as it was me that started the last thread on this.There certainly was an american connection with it though,

Paul.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
27/12/2008 22:28

Turtle msg 20,



You are quite simply wrong. North Cyprus is governed by Turkey which put in place a local administration after invading and occupying the north. This is United Nations law and therefore the world view (although you think you know better).



You are also wrong to claim Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus are not outnumbered by foreigners:



Figures published in 2007 by the Turkish Ministry of Labor and Social Security raise this number (of settlers) to 146,122[10]. Almost 1/3 of the Turkish settlers in northern Cyprus have been given the "Turkish Cypriot" citizenship[11]. This holds a violation to the Geneva Conventions Protocol of 1977 since the Turkish occupation has been declared illegal by the UN. As a result of Turkish Cypriots leaving the island and naturalization of mainland Turks, the Turkish Cypriots who remain in northern Cyprus are today outnumbered by the Turkish settlers and security forces[12].



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Cypriot

PtePike



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 22:34

Turkish Cypriots consider themselves outnumbered by Turkish settlers or soldiers by roughly two to one and there are more TCs in London than Cyprus, depending on whose figures you use or trust. Either way it's a damn disgrace. Of course, this kind of subject is rarely on the agenda at the expat pubs or restuarants, where the price of Quality Street or future of exchange properties is far more important.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 22:38

Isnt the old Nicosia International still there .It is I believe is under UNcontrol,and I know when i was with RAF there it had Quite along runwaybecause the jets of that period didnt have reverse thrust like the modern ones have..

PtePike



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Message Posted:
27/12/2008 23:27

Coachie,



Nicosia airport is still there, stranded in the buffer zone and with an abandoned passenger jet still on the runway after just failing to get away in time. It was the scene of fierce fighting between the Greek/GC and Turkish/TC

forces, both of whom wanted it intact. Turkey was given an ultimatum by the UN that if its forces didn't pull back they would be subject to air strike. Ankara blinked first and did what it was told, but it was very close to war between the UN and Turkey.



RAF Nicosia, which was next door as you know, was evacuated by its personnel who fled through the smoke and gunfire, officers and all, without telling UNFICYP and thus exposing UN peacekeepers to grave risk. Not the RAF's finest hour, as you can read about in A Business Of Some Heat by Brig Francis Henn, who was CoS of the UN force in 1974.



War - heugh! - what is it good for...?

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
28/12/2008 03:35

pp

Again thank you for your informed information.



However, it is clear that you again wish to revert backwards and into the past which is now clearly History.

The future of the Island will with certainty be decided soon. The decisions will be made by the two Island factions aided and encoraged by the EU, UN an like it or not Turkey.

The Privatisation of Ercan Airport is great news for the Island generally.

More visitors, more revenue, increased exposure, increased investment.



Come on pp get on the wagon and welcome the news.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
28/12/2008 04:19

Im afraid this project is a complete wash out.



If there is a settlement of reunification then the old Nicosia airport is more of an attraction to investors due to its proximity to the capital. However is the new government of a new Cyprus going to give it up?



As it stands Ercan is not and can not be an international airport.

denizkisi


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 196

Message Posted:
28/12/2008 11:20

To message 26:



Tymbou village and the surrounding area (Ercan) was owned by Greek Cypriots. As the ROC does not recognise the legality of "Exchange/Esdeger land" it still remains (legally) Greek Cypriot owned. Anyone investing in this area will have to be prepared for a court case somewhere down the line...............

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
28/12/2008 12:13

like larnaca, as pike said its ok its for public use lol

PtePike



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Message Posted:
28/12/2008 12:26

waz msg 35,



How can anyone welcome "news" which by any analysis is ludicrous. Seasoned analysts of the Cyprus conflict are all to familiar with this kind of nonsense. Since my post stating why privatisation has mysteriously vanished (hackers or is publicity of the truth alarming some people) I'll start a new thread.

gibson335


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Posts: 325

Message Posted:
28/12/2008 14:43

Little Boy in the Sailor Suit



You are right ( for once) when you say there are more TC's abroad than here. Why is that then? Simply because thousands had to flee for their lives when your chum's started carrying out their murderous plans and tore up the Constitution. Learn some history and observe!!!!!!!

pilgrim



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Message Posted:
28/12/2008 15:30

gibson and pte pike, I do enjoy your exchanges, thanks, happy new year to you both.

regards

p

gibson335


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Message Posted:
28/12/2008 15:40

Thanks Pilgrim



I find him so easy to wind up and you have to laugh

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
28/12/2008 17:42

Although I disagree with a lot that pikey says, some of his posts are correct.

gibson335


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Message Posted:
28/12/2008 18:46

Oilgrim



Sorry I forgot to wish you a Happy New Year

Aussie


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Message Posted:
28/12/2008 19:04

The timing of a privatisation of Ercan is entirely wrong for the following reasons



1) Uncertainty as to possible resolution of cyprus problem and its impact of tourist arrival paterns etc

2) Still no approval for direct flights

3) Current depressed state of tourism in TRNC

4) Depressed Global economic situation and outlook making attracting invetsors difficult



All of the above would make it difficult to sell or heavily depress the price in the short/ medium term.



They would be better off waiting until the outlook for most of the above is better.



Aussie

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
28/12/2008 20:40

Good post Aussie



Perhaps now is the time to pick it up on the cheap, but only a highly optimistic and speculative punter, with some money to burn would do so.

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
29/12/2008 11:36

Re message 37:







I think you'll find that Ercan Airport is situate on Pre-1974 Government land as there has been an airfield there since the British Colonial Administration.







Unlike, of course, Larnaca Airport which, in large part, is made up of pre-1974 Turkish title land - despite there being plenty of Pre-1974 Government Land in the South on which an airport could have been situated.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
29/12/2008 14:23

lambousa

what % of larnaca is tc owned??

i have asked this many times and still don't have an answer.