A tip for illegal workers in TRNC

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 08:21

I know there have been many posts on this theme, and I know that there are many differing views BUT

PLEASE BELIEVE THIS

Big brother is watching you, the authorities are currently gathering information from many sources including business cards, leaflets, newspaper ads, on mainly Brit Expats and some who are harbouring Turk Expats as well who are working illegally here in the TRNC, there are certain families who are being watched closely who are flouting the fact that they are working, the main areas seem to be Lapta/Alsancak, ozankoy/Catalkoy and Esentepe/Tatlisu where they are watching closely,

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 08:37

Oh dear

getting a 'taxi' to Larnaca may become difficult!

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 09:25

good at least my taxies are being used so i can get some work to cover my expenses

Bowman


Joined: 02/05/2007
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 10:02

An even better tip for "Illegal workers", get a work permit, pay your taxes and earn your money without fear of reprisals. I'm sure that you do not like people "ripping off the system" in the UK. So dont do it in the TRNC. Quite simple really.....

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 10:22

message 1 - what evidence do you have this is happening? certainly it should be but is the infastructure in place in NC to do this? The black market happens all over the world so what is your knowledge of the undercover operation?s are you one of the team? a mole perhaps?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 10:43

or pray for a "settlement" quickly and forget "work permits"...

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 10:45

just waiting for the "serves them right brigade"





Nick

billybuck


Joined: 12/11/2008
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 10:54

mmmmmm,

stop being so vain,you are 51 really

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 11:20

Best tip.....do not get caught!



Let he or him that is without any sin cast the 1st stone.

dixie normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 11:39

Mickey , You have posted on the work permit situation in the past, a subject you obviously feel very strong about,I cant see the problem being as widespread as you believe it is, most expats are well in retirement & would'nt be interested in manual work , or have the means behind them to have a good standard of living while overhere or they would'nt have left the Uk.

The pay rate is not worth getting out of bed for in the North and if you need to earn a buck get over to the South where good opertunities exist with a goverment who have an idea about running an economy. Imformation regarding finantial stability is required in the residency process, this should highlight potential illegal foreign workers. Your warning to those working without permits in every location you mention is an admirable gesture, those doing the watching would probably be more productevly employed in investigating the accelerating corruption that exists in the police and customs departments.



D.N

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 11:53

Well said Dixie.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 12:36

Bowman,



msg 4.



"I'm sure that you do not like people "ripping off the system" in the UK. So dont do it in the TRNC. Quite simple really..."



There is no system in TRNC to rip-off for those that pay no taxes. No dole, no NHS, no sick pay, no pension. People do rip-off the system in the UK because all/most of these benefits are available to non-tax payers. Benefits in TRNC are only available to tax payers.



I am all for paying one's dues but there simply is no "opportunity" here for non-tax payers to abuse the system.

dozza67


Joined: 11/07/2008
Posts: 607

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 12:37

have to say. You can get any tradesman you like from the expats. None of them issue receipts or are registered.

Bowman


Joined: 02/05/2007
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 15:05

TRNC VAUGHAN, message 12.



I have to disagree. Non tax payers do have an "opportunity" by not paying their dues. Firstly, they can undercut a registered person or company by at least 16% as they would not have to pay KDV, income tax,coropration tax or staff taxes. When you are registered, you pay national insurance, social security, income tax and KDV etc. So eventhough it may appear that there is no system here, and in some instances I would wholeheartedly agree with you, with regards to un registered persons, there is.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 15:16

cant get upvc window fitter expat or local to repair window, so not many illegal tradesmen in famagusta area interested ( can't think their all busy)

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 15:47

Hi Bowman,



I agree with your very good point that unregistered tradesmen can undercut those that are registered because they pay no taxes. I still maintain, however, that as non-taxpayers they do not rip the system in TRNC off as there is no system as far as non payers are concerned.

There is, of course, the larger issue of who pays for the big things like police, fire brigade, army etc. which we all enjoy the benefit of. These things are paid for by "the tax payer" (or Turkey) and so from this respect we could say that there is scope for ripping-off the system.

Barabus



Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 163

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 15:54

Never knew there was an issue with this.....thank god this is one thing I don't have to worry about. In among a sea of them.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 16:10

Dixie you would be surprised at the number of retired expats I know that are "doing" pools, airport transfers, cleaning and managing villas, etc, and the locals are not at all happy about it so I imagine it wouldn't take much for them to have a word in the right ear (so to speak).

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 19:47

Dixie - good post, as usual..





Nick

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 20:08

Vaughen



Those who fail to pay their taxes should be hung, drawn and quartered and then deported.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 22:52

"A tip for illegal workers"



I knew there was one at Dikmen for general rubbish but didn't know they had opened one for illegal workers.

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
06/01/2009 03:24

Believe it or believe it not, there are moves afoot and some have been caught already, just think of the pain and heartbreak it will cause people when they are suddenly confronted with immigration people armed with proof positive of them working full time (not an odd job here or there) being taken from their home and put on a plane and being told they cannot re-enter the TRNC.

These self same people will be whining and calling the TRNC for everything, but they were warned

Rocky, message 5 you never know who is watching you, there are so many government people here and they appear to be your best friends (yeah right) and you only need to read the papers here to realise what I am saying is true

BTW have I ever posted anything that turned out to be untrue ???

Nastynipper


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
06/01/2009 07:28

I have been told by a good t/c friend that thefriday & saurday markets are to be targeted as it is the law anyone slling must have a tilland issue kdv recipts.



There was a big who ha about this last year when they targeted the trade fair at lefkosia and fined loads of people, they have already made test purchases so be warned.

bankadan


Joined: 14/12/2007
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
06/01/2009 08:36

Mickey Rourke, has it been known of anyone recently (ex pat) being caught out and deported or whatever. Not heard of it actually of happened before. A friend of mine who is legal (property management) is interested as they are on the verge of having to pack in, and this is because of simply their customers are changing to 'illegal management ex-pats' who are under cutting them.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
06/01/2009 09:26

bankadan

There was a high profile case some months ago where a family were deported for having no work permit but there were other mitigating circumstances.

AJ

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
06/01/2009 09:57

I have never known a country with so many informants , spys, moles or rats, call them whatever you like.

I know first hand what its like to be followed ,hotel room searched , even got introduced to me as a friend of a friend (he didnt know I was onto him). No idea what they were looking for.

I was just a TC on vacation from USA.

They like to be one step ahead, their detective depts. have come a long way.

There are no secrets in TRNC..

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
06/01/2009 10:10

It reminds me of the east german stasi

myservices


Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 121

Message Posted:
06/01/2009 13:45

how would you go about obtaining a work permit for selling jams or home made cakes on the Saturday market then

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
06/01/2009 14:10

jack

the family you are talking about had not applied for their residency, thats why they were deported.

turbo

i totally agree, no secrets here in the trnc,lol.

in my village i can even go and buy an asprin without everyone asking am i ill and whats wrong, quick quick i will take you to the hospital.

you can't even have a headache in private.

bankadan


Joined: 14/12/2007
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 10:40

So, no-one has ever been deported etc for being caught working illegally?

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 11:46

mess 28 - the simple answer is you can't !



To work here, you need either:



a) to set up a company, which will cost circa £5,000 to set up, you'll then need $100,000 as a bond for a few weeks, then there is the ongoing tax and national insurance costs, plus you'll then need a work permit to work for the company (see below !).



b) To get a work permit - You have to be employed by a limited company who have to apply for a work permit for you, but before hand they have to prove the post couldn't be filled by a local - what with the cost of applying for the permit, blood test, cost of having to leave the TRNC while the permit is applied for and the fact that the employer has to pay you the minimum wage (circa 1200 TL per month) and pay your nat insurance and tax...





So you can see why many Brits who want to work legit, can't..



Nick

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 12:13

well thats why they can work cheap there for taking the work away from people that has taken the trouble to go through this pains taking ordeal if we all said sod it i cant be botherd or dont want to have that exspence were the hell would the industrial wourld be today im all right jack f... the rest of you i still got my savings in the bank

susief


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 529

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 12:55

Wouldn't it be great if the government introduced some sort of Pay As You Earn tax scheme and a self-employed type work permit? If the govt. had a bit more sense they'd see that if they introduced these they'd probably get a lot more revenue as people who want to work legitimately (whether or not they're currently working illegally) would work and pay their taxes rather than a) being put off working because the cost of setting up a company etc.. is prohibitive, or b) work illegally.

Just an idea!

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 13:06

the reason for this is as now you still pay tax weather you are working or not and if you say you havent earnt any money this month they will tax you estimated you also get to use their hospitals if you are ligit witch saves the cost of private insurance only for the holder though not for the faimily like in england thank fully i havnt had to check them out yet but there is a plus ther for being lagit also dont have to keep looking over my back . also dont have to fill guilty about moaning about all the ilegal imigrants coming to england nicking all our work like a lot of the ilegal brits i bet was . funny really i am english so i can do what ever i like anywere in the world

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 13:31

fire starter

As I said there were other mitigating circumstances, perhaps you can answer these questions for me.

Were the family involved in organizing a market as well as having a stall at the market?

Were the family involved in running a regular auction?

Was one of the family involved in offering guitar lessons for reward?

As I have said before there were other mitigating circumstances. A lot of people have gotten away with not having residency by popping across the 'border' to get another 90 days (which I regard as being risky to say the least) and to a certain extent it is ignored by the immigration people but when there is a total disregard for the immigration/residency rules, work permit rules etc then you are going to get severely bitten.

AJ

Cypfan


Joined: 10/10/2008
Posts: 104

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 13:47

"how would you go about obtaining a work permit for selling jams or home made cakes on the Saturday market then "



These are the ones who bear watching. Jam and scones today, Semtex and drugs tomorrow...

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 14:35

hi jack

i don't know the family, it is only what i have read in the papers and ben told by my tc friends.

denizkisi


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 196

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 15:45

"how would you go about obtaining a work permit for selling jams or home made cakes on the Saturday market then "



These are the ones who bear watching. Jam and scones today, Semtex and drugs tomorrow...



True, and very worrying.................. lol!!!

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 16:22

Message 30

Oh yes they have, the latest only a few days ago to a well known figure local to Girne.

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 16:23

AJ,



The Petch family was deported for not having fulfilled the correct residency procedure. Nothing to do with work permits etc.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 16:31

Note:

Alway's take cash when working without a permit.



Further tips to follow.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 19:02

Gordon

I know how well you knew the Petch family and I know as well as you do that there was more involved than a simple residency problem.

This board is not a place to discuss the intimate details but the point I was trying to make was that people can cross the 'border' to renew their 90 days visa and it can be and is ignored to a certain extent by the Immigration authorities however if someone decides for some reason or another to inform the authorities that you are not legit then they will take a serious look at what else you are up to with your life here in the TRNC. Hence why I warn people that 'going South' for a 90 day visa renewal is risky. And you are to be commended for the effort that you put in to sort out their particular problem.

AJ

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 19:16

Msg 41 you forgot to add and deny everything

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 19:19

Note:

Deny everything



Further tips to follow.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 19:49

shame, son was a great guitar player...





Nick

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 20:00

Nick

Yep it was a shame, Alex unfortunately was led up the garden path. But hey ho that is life.

susief


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 529

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 22:30

Here it is Nige!!

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 22:49

awwwwwwwww thanks I could not find my specs and the font on here is not good for the visually imparied.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:04

Sounds just like the UK.Illegal immigrants,legal immigrants,UK people,you name it they are doing it.Had some work done on my house before Xmas,asked if I wanted a receipt,if not it would 15% less(noVAT).I asked for a receipt because you have a come back if any thing goes wrong and the receipt is your warranty...

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 09:50

but these "illegal" workers are our fellow Brits - surely we shouldn't be snitching on them ?



i'm sure they came over here with the same dreams, but for whatever reason they have fallen on hard times...



Nick

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 10:31

no they havnt i know many that have a lot more money than me and thats no excuse anyway one on my site goes round saying dont use bracey builders to dear use me now i dont get any work on my site . he is now working every day and wekends contributing only lies and deception to the comunity no help to this country or the locals

bankadan


Joined: 14/12/2007
Posts: 979

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 11:31

True, many do not need the money ( I personally know, they generally are better off than the ones who are 'above board',) the legal ones are so because they are worried about being caught out (Children etc to support) and the worst happening ,so pay their dues and earn what they can after they have been undercut by the ones not paying their taxes etc and losing customers on a weekly basis to the new entrepreneurs! What will happen then, the tax payers will fold, ah well more business for the rest then eh.

Chaz4566


Joined: 31/12/2008
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 11:55

is it true that if i only work 10 hours a week i dont need a work permit? - Chaz

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 12:41

if you earn money you need a work permit does not mater how many hours any work for gain is taxable

tinker


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 156

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 13:15

Coachie wrote :-

Sounds just like the UK.Illegal immigrants,legal immigrants,UK people,you name it they are doing it.Had some work done on my house before Xmas,asked if I wanted a receipt,if not it would 15% less(noVAT).I asked for a receipt because you have a come back if any thing goes wrong and the receipt is your warranty...



How did you contact them... By a mobile number... If you did... TOUGH

Nastynipper


Joined: 08/06/2008
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 13:33

I spotted customs at 2 markets today clocking stall holders and asking about receipts and kdv !!



Any one selling any goods at any market must issue a receipt.

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 18:22

Hi NN,



Could you elaborate as no-one else saw them?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 22:23

negative nick, msg 50



I have the same opinion of illegal work here as in the UK.



THEY ARE ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!



gates is trying to make a legal living but is probably finding that there are so many ex UK people who are not even builders pinching his work. I do not know him but respect his attitude of trying to work legally but it must be so difficult.



For people who come here and "fall on hard times" then the probably should not have left the UK in the first place. If you do not have the resources to support yourself it has always been known that this is the country not to come to.



Reminds me a bit of Dick Whittington, looking for the streets paved with gold, except this is 21st century and there is enough stuff in the media that if you still fall foul you only have yourself to blame in 90% of cases.

slimboyfat


Joined: 01/05/2008
Posts: 96

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 23:55

My Advokat tells me that women over 60 and men over 65 do not need to have a work permit

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
10/01/2009 09:50

many thanks cyprusishome for your support in this matter it is nice to know sombody out there understands the plight of the legal workers if you need any work done you can expect a big discount or free advice happy new year from all at bracey builders

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
11/02/2009 20:13

I understand that the big push against those here without work permits or residence is imminent and not before time.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
11/02/2009 20:23

there's going to be an awful lot of dirty swimming pools over the next few months !



Nick

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
11/02/2009 20:24

and houses nick x

mia100max


Joined: 19/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
11/02/2009 20:26

Retired ex pats over 60 & 65 are aloowed to work (I think) 13 hours a week without a work permit.

Also, they are only targeting people who sell new goods at the markets. Home-made goods are exempt.

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
11/02/2009 20:36

what a joke british people for british jobs in england makes me laugh when i look at this lot out here pay no tax pay towards the money they make how can anybody look them in the face and say what do you think of that in england dont do what i do do what i say good old english

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 07:56

Mia you couldnt be more wrong, nobody can work here without a work permit, it is statements like thisa that confuse folks, if you dont know you facts best to say nowt

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 10:48

About a year ago I had to have penfold fencing around my propert, it was necessary to contain my dog. I went to the guy in Karaoglanoglu who is well known and has premises there and was recommended (Turkish or turkish cypriot). He quoed me a price which was 500 gbp. Did the job well and when I went to pay him I asked if he could give me a receipt because I was only renting the property and I needed proof for my landlord, who was going to pay half. He told me if I wanted a receipt it would cost me another 150gbp. Point is, dont knock the people without work permits too much because those WITH permits are looking to rip you off wherever they can, and are working illegally. How many restaurants have you been to where you do not get a receipt?

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 11:50

just to let you know..i went ot see somone in Karsiyaka.a British Chippy..

he wanted the money up front for a chest of draws to be made,said people order,then dont pick up.must be able to open showroom by now,he insisted that he was paid for goods first,like fools we TRUSTERD him,as we do,never gave us the goods,went back a few times and he kept us at the gate,he must be falling on hard times,or just a tight Ba*****,chap from Yorkshire,known as the Villans of Karsiaka,dont use him..

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 12:18

Msgs 64 and 66,

Could either of you (or anyone else, for that matter...) provide any evidence of your postings? - perhaps a link to an official source of information?

At the moment, it's just one person saying one thing, and another saying the opposite!

I really would appreciate anything that you can provide in the way of substantiation.

Regards, Keith.

RedRooster


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 12:26

Spider

just to let you know..i went ot see somone in Karsiyaka.a British Chippy..



he wanted the money up front for a chest of draws to be made,said people order,then dont pick up.must be able to open showroom by now,he insisted that he was paid for goods first,like fools we TRUSTERD him,as we do,never gave us the goods,went back a few times and he kept us at the gate,he must be falling on hard times,or just a tight Ba*****,chap from Yorkshire,known as the Villans of Karsiaka,dont use him



They are also known as Lapta Larry. Did you report him to the authorities?

He also does airport runs. He` well known and his wife.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 12:55

like most brits when we first came over were getting ripped off here and there,

and that was just another.!! the brits tucking the brits up;!! sometimes i just think its the GREED.some people are just that WAY,ALWAYS WANT MORE,we just live on what we have,and can get by..and dont need to stash it up to leave it to others to spend latter.!!

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 12:57

whistler 67 if that man had given you a recipt he would have had to pay the vat at 16.5% so how could he not charge you for it the goverment want the vat every month if you were in biusness here you would understand just as the ilegals would

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 13:31

Have been in business in Britain and I had to pay big vat there. Why should he not pay it. Point is he should have quoted me the price including vat when he came to give estimate. Because I was in business in the uk I expected to receive a receipt. I believe it is illegal here not to give one.

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 13:32

Forgot to say I paid him cash.

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 13:30

Have read the thread about illegal Expats working and yes İm surprised that the saturday markets are allowed to take place as they are NO LONGER a poıt of jam sold here and there. İ went to buy a piece of cake and was asked for 4TL that 32 TL for the cake also the prices for pasties, pies etc has shot up and agree that some regulatory issues should be enforced.

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 21:59

Credit Crunch.



Turkey has stopped sending excessive amounts of money to the TRNC, so times are hard in the TRNC. Now the regime is doing all it can to collect funds,

Anthony


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
12/02/2009 23:10

ang1706



There is already price regulation in place, you the customer. If you don't like the price don't buy the cake.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
13/02/2009 02:08

msg 69 Keith

i dont really need to substantiate it as it is fact, if you dont believe me suit yourself, but it is easily checked out

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
13/02/2009 09:00

mia100max,

Any Comment?

robbie c


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
13/02/2009 10:54

Ang1706 In reply to the costs to buy pies etc Did you not realise that some stall holders are registered as companies and have to pay the said taxes,hence the reason for the price increases a)materials b)wether you sell or not you are still liable for the taxes/social security etc My close friend is now contemplating to stop as the monies/profit made is almost non existent."We can all work for nothing and take our own sandwiches"

gates


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Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
13/02/2009 16:29

if we quoted prices including vat we would not get a single job as brits do not understand the logic out here just as you dont you go to a garage and get a price to repair your car vat is added after not included i think you are just out to pahaps help an ilegal you know think about how you tried in your profetoin would you had liked it if you had turnede up for work no not needed any more i can get this bloke cheaper i dont have to pay gogdon brown with this one

mia100max


Joined: 19/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
14/02/2009 13:08

Lazy days, I spoke to a retired gentleman who showed me his card. I am only relating what he told me. We also said we thought you could not work at all without a work permit but he said if you are retired, you are allowed to work (13)? hours a week. He had business cards with his name, home address, telephone number etc and immediately handed us one. Surely not the actions of someone who is working illegally?

Also, Alex & his family were not deported for selling at the markets, as they only sold handmade goods. They were deported for immigration reasons.

People who are selling "New" goods are being targeted by customs & exise as they are not paying the required kdv on these goods.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
14/02/2009 14:03

mia100max,

Thanks for that - I take it that the retired gentleman who showed you his card was an ex-pat, not a TC? - and not someone who has been here long enough to qualify for citizenship?

It's just that retired TCs are allowed to work a certain amount without paying tax or other contributions (I think) or losing any other benefits.

Thanks again,

Keith.

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
14/02/2009 22:29

Hi Mia max

Please believe me you cannot work here without a work permit if you are a foreigner, this is a fact ! not something dreamt up by a bored ex pat, there are many people here who have cards etc who are totall illegal working as plumers/ pool cleaners / gardeners / painters, da da da.

Who are ALEX and his family ? I thought it was David and Sue Petch and their son, is he Alex ?? there was also another ex pat very recently who was stopped from working as a cook as the particular person was also illegally working.

I really dont want to be a kill joy but these boards really give some shocking misinformation and people take it on board as gospel, facts need to be checked out before posts like this are submitted.

Keith caley, as a worldly wise kind of person please do listen to Mickey's posts, the fact is no Foreigner is allowed to work here without a work permit it dont matter if they are as old as mathusela the polis will substant (back this)

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/02/2009 22:44

mia100max

Please read my postings no's 25, 35 and 42.

The Petch family situation was/is not as simple as you purport.



Lazy days

Alex is the son of Dave & Sue Petch.



AJ

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/02/2009 00:05

RedRuster.msg.70...after reading msg.84....seems that the man might or might not own..I OWNA LILLA,should stop handing out them old businss cards.start to dissmantal his work shop,and stop ripping the brits off,or he might find himself front page of the Cyprus Today,next,and he cant WONDER WHY......as msg 1 stated,big brother is watching,!!! most get cought in the end anyway..hes got off far too long as it is,bound to be got one day..

so glad i dont find the need to,need extra CASH,The disshonest way...i may find that chest of draws yet..at the MARKETS....

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
15/02/2009 10:39

you can not tell some people if you earn money out here you have to pay tax unless you are a cyp hand your cards out one day you will give it to the wrong pearson and back to bligty you will go and servse you right then you can join the quew talking about illegal workers at home we will still be in the sun

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
15/02/2009 11:05

Spider, you are correct. What amazes me is the fact that a lot of people advertise what they are doing quite openly, by giving business cards, advertising their prices for airport runs on this board. As you say when they do eventually get caught up with they cant wonder why.