Land for sale - TMD- Turkish military land

Hurmus



Joined: 13/01/2009
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 13:24

Location : Mormenekse village

View: Salamis hotel /20000.oo per donum / 2 miles away from sea.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 14:54

Serious question....do you believe that us "foreigners" would EVER get full legal ownership and title deeds for TMD land ?

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 14:58

Not a chance cronos, didn't somebody post on here a we while back saying they had bought a apartment on Military land in Girne or Kyrenia and they had their ptp refused and were told to buy something elsewhere.

Hurmus



Joined: 13/01/2009
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 17:47

Good Question Cronos - sorru but I don't know the answer.

I think you have to take professional advice.

Kind Regards,

H.

Kitty Kat Jac


Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 17:54

I am confused as i dont know if Hurmus means TMD land and trying to give an explanation of what it is.



or advertising TMD land that is near Turkish military land.



If it is just TMD land then there is no reason why you wouldnt get your title deeds, but if it is near military land i would stay away unless you are cypriot.

Hurmus



Joined: 13/01/2009
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 18:57

I ask my parents and they told me that deeds are TAHSIS (I think this means it is TMD Land) given to them from the government.



and I can assure you that The land is not near to the Turkish Military Land.



Before contact with me please try to take professional advice

because I do not want anyone to have problem because of this sale.

Regards,

H.

markvpiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 19:45

TMD land was given as a reward to soldiers etc for services to the TRNC - it does not mean it is on/near military land and there are no issues regarding PTB



Under the Annan Plan, TMD land that hadn't been built on could potentially been returned to its original owner, or if it had been built on, compensation based on its 1974 value + interest would have been payable.



Mark

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 20:24

trouble is TMD was greek , some say still is , therefore potentially problematic.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 21:17

Mark...msg 7

Thanks for that.

I always think it is very telling that they didn't think enough of their brave soldiers to reward them with Turkish Title Land.....but "gave" them GC land instead!

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 21:46

CRONOS,



how gouvernment can give turkish title pre 74 to TC - it belongs to them and they do compensation with the GC land as you must know !

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 21:58

Sylvie...maybe something got lost in translation.

My cynical point was that if they thought so much about their brave soldiers to offer them a reward.....why reward them with land that had been taken from GC's......when they could have rewarded them with surplus land that had Turkish Title and was never owned by GC's ?

That's like being paid your salary from the proceeds of a bank robbery !

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 10:10

You're right Cronos but most of it has probably been sold on by now so they did get something out of it.

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 10:17

CRONOS,



i did understand perfectly well at first the only thing when you brings all the TC from the south to the north you must understand that there is not enough land to give ! i mean TC lands - they have to rewards with GC one - anyway what is done cannot be change ! and if changes could be done it would be both side because GC are doing the same thing in different ways - they do not allow TC land to be given back to owner and did gave houses to gc refugiee paying rent to the gouvernment - such a hassle to get your property that most of TC give up, specially the one living abroad - why should you be resident to get your property back when you have the title deeds -

Hurmus



Joined: 13/01/2009
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:20

on the deeds that ı have there is no specification that it is TMD. EŞ DEĞER. Or anything else.

It is only a govenment deed that states that when you buy It is only yours.

So if you do want to have a look and you like then when you buy the land is ONLY yours.

As this is a urgent sale I have spoken to my family and they are able to sell for 15.000stg

H.

markvpiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:54

Hurmus



The kocan may not have Tasis (TMD) written on it but it may have a dosya (file) number.

This file at the land registry will have details of the lands history



Mark

Cypfan


Joined: 10/10/2008
Posts: 104

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:25

msg 8:



"trouble is TMD was greek , some say still is , therefore potentially problematic."



Correct, but it's just as Greek and just as problematic as so-called "exchange" land. Both types of property were seized at bayonet point and their owners expelled (or killed).



TMD was given as war plunder to Turkish soldiers and "esdeger" flogged for profit, usually to unsuspecting foreigners who didn't know any better.



Don't get caught up in laws of the TRNC - they only apply in the north and nowhere else. The recent RoC, UK and ECHR court judgements and decisions have underlined that the Greek Cypriots remain the legal owners and the RoC is the only legal land registry which makes the decisions.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:31

Agree, but only mentioned TMD as in context of thread

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 23:37

hurmus

where in mormenekse is the land and how many donums is it ,and is it cleared or is it been cultivated





musin

Hurmus



Joined: 13/01/2009
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
16/01/2009 11:35

After the aggreement is final the Kochan will be transfered on to the New owners Name. This is normally finalised and Kochans are released within around 2weeks (if this does not happen money back GURANTEE)



The Location is on the left hand side of Mormenekse facing oppsoit Salamis Hotel.



Kochan details are as below.

No.1470

Pafta no.XXIV

Harita no.25

Parsel no.379

3 Donums

Kitty Kat Jac


Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
16/01/2009 11:41

Hurmus, foreigners cant get the title deed in their name straight away, They need to complete a Permission to purchase first, unless they have a company formed in the TRNC.

Hurmus



Joined: 13/01/2009
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
16/01/2009 11:56

I really had no idea that there was anything like this

as this is my FIRST time selling Land.



My Great Grandmother had sold her Land to British Citizen and they have lived there and by my knowledge have had no problems



I am now pulling out to selling to foreigners as you would know more about the DEEDS subject then I do.



H.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
16/01/2009 15:53

Do foreigners need PTP to buy land? I thought you could get title for land fairly quickly but need PTP to build on it.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
16/01/2009 15:56

You may be right joandjelly.....but what a ridiculous situation if true.



It's like not needing a licence to buy a car,just to drive it!



Obviously some Brits may be buying land to rear goats and grow lemons,but I doubt it!

markvpiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
16/01/2009 16:50

You do need PTP to purchase land



Mark

Hurmus



Joined: 13/01/2009
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 13:42

Dear Mark,

Can you pls let me know what does PTP means?

Regards,

H.

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
23/01/2009 14:09

Permission to purchase