Dog lovers you make me laugh

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 14:37

So many times on this site we hear cries for help to home strays and time and time again the so called dog lovers reply with statements like i'd love to help, BUT... then come the pityful excuses. Whats worse is those who then go on to criticise KAR the only people that actually get off their backsides and do something about the problem. You people are incredible.



The poisonings fall into 2 categories, strays and pack dogs which cause a danger to motorists and anyone that may cross them and expats pets which are left out at night and keep the whole neighbourhood awake barking. Until officail measures are introduced to resolve these proplems (a kull and fines) the poisonings will no doubt continue, and some would say rightly.



Some are now referring to the poisonings as murder, how pathetic. The dictionary definition of the word murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. Dogs are not human beings so they are not being murgered, killed maybe but not murdered. And to thos

Jayne


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 14:59

Have you just joined this forum today to be horrible?



Dont think you have got a clue!!!



Plenty of people, like myself, do try to help these animals and feed them and try to home them. I have spent nearly 4 weeks trying to home a little pup so she is not trouble to anyone and have not said anything negative about KAR. People like you make me sick so get off your soap box!

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 15:01

Jayne I agree with you. Better than get off your soap box GET OFF THIS BOARD.

P

Jayne


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 15:02

I did want to say something much stronger but knew I would get banned! What a plonker!!!

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 15:05

If nobody else posts on this thread it will disapear, which is what should happen to the original poster

P

rowan


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 15:15

ghengis, what is your problem???? If you are so concerned then do something positive and productive to eradicate the problem please.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 15:18

this thread should now be closed



It has served it's purpose





To cause upset grief and get people at each other.

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 15:21

Genghis



You talk through your backside.....

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 15:41

spot on nige. close it down.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 15:41

well said Nige.



Poor taste indeed.

Pokerman



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 15:45

I have deleted this msg under forum rule 3.



Although there is strong views on this subject the member is entitled to his opinion.



Moderator....puppylover

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 15:54

We could leave it open until Dee sorts him out and then close it down!

What a Muppet! (with thanks to Donty for the word!)

Pokerman



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:10

Fair enough - puppylover



But i was merely explaining the i was planning on meeting Genghis the day after next monday!

Jayne


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:14

Think I am meeting him with you Pokerman next Tuesday!

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:16

puppylover- this person joined today, their name, not their board name is more offensive than what Pokerman posted. For that reason alone this post should be closed.

P

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:15

What an unfriendly lot you are, which part of my comments are so objectable? Does the truth hurt so much? Perhaps my comments will encourage a little more positive action from the dog loving community in favour of them sitting at their computers demanding someone else sort it out.

Jayne


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:22

Why dont you just go ********!!!

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:20

my point proved, thankyou Jayne

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:30

Genghis "Does the truth hurt so much" ??????? !!!!!!!



You obviously are a very sad individual who does not know the truth, my friends dog did not roam, was not left out at night and caused no offense to anybody and was killed in his own garden. You are offensive so please get lost.



Can this thread now be closed.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:33

Genghis has provoked the reaction he wanted. Please either ignore this post so it disappears or would a moderator please close it.

P

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:34

What other practical alternatives are there to kulling strays and fining owners of unruly dogs? This is a real problem and should be discussed, sticking your head in the sand and demanding the thread should be closed is not the answer. Suggestions without further insult please?

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:35

Genghis



There are many ex.pats who have taken in stray cats and dogs. We have a dog and we feed and water 27 cats. We have had 16 of them 'done' (KAR can't catch the rest!) and we have paid the vet fees. We also have blankets in the garden for them to sleep on. I know of many others (some on this board) who go out of their way to help as much as they can.

The issue here, in the main, is about poisoning. I can assure you that should any board members see the perpetrator, their actions will be very effective. Without any specific laws in place there is a limit to what people can do. Voicing their frustrations and anger does contribute to getting this matter more into the public domain. This board does exactly that.

Please don't generalise.

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:39

Hi The -Wicks



I'm really sorry I think I may have missed something here (or could be having a senior moment) can you explain your point re the name.



Many thanks

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:40

Genghis,



From looking at your member info I take it that you have given a false name - or is it just what a lot of people call you???????????????

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:41

Chessman thankyou for reasoned debate. There are good and bad dog owners but i think you miss my point that the problem is the strays and disruptive and noisy expats dogs, or rather their owners for permitting them to be a nuisence.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:41

GENGHIS YOU DONT KNOW THE HALF WHILST WE AGREE THE CHARITY DOES SOME WORK BUT NOT RESCUE WORK THATS LEFT TO US TO TAKE THEM THERE ONLY TO BE TURNED AWAY. i FOR ONE WOULD lOVE TO SEE THE FINaNCiAL REPORTS AND HOW MUCH GOES IN SALARIES AND WHAT PERCENTAGE IS FOR CHARITY. i KNOW THE CHARITY COMMISION IN uk AND wALES EXPECT A RETURN OF 66% SO what is the law here regarding charties. No annimal deserves this treatment, how the hell can a small island have so many vets many of which will not deal with the charties, I will tell you because they are suppoted by the expats. How dare you insult the kindness of people who have a genuine desire to help thie suffering. You start educating the government schools etc you find out chartible status and let us know. you make poison illegal to buy or at least controlled. Dogs by nature run in packs but when I recently found 15 puppies in dreadful conditions ans spoke to the owner I asked why he didnt get the mums done answer why spoil thier fun.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:44

Hi Puppy lover. It's very difficult to explain without causing offence. If you read Amber's message 24, she obviously understands what Paul was getting at.



Sorry cannot be of further help on this one.



Regards

Jean

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:47

It seems to me that more often these days we are getting people who presumably for reasons of their own insecurity or vulnerability feel the need to set up a new name and make their first post one they clearly want to air, but are to timid or ashamed to use their usual board name.

Come on you folks, have a little more courage and if you really do believe in your opinions, post under your real name.

I do agree, and I have said before that due to the fact that KAR are full to bursting, and thousands of strays (diseased or healthy) continue to multiply that a cull is the only option, but perhaps it will unfortunately take the attack of a pack of dogs on a member of a family who are shall we say 'well connected' before we see any action on the problem.

In the meantime, full marks to all those who choose to try to give a small percentage of the less fortunate animals a better life.

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:47

amber my name is my name sorry if it offends you now can we stop the personal insults? lilli would you prefer KAR be closed down completley? I ask agian what are the alternatives?

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:47

Genghis.



As far as the owners are concerned, I have no dispute with you on that. I have said so on other threads. However, that's the point, it IS the owners. Killing the dogs through poisoning is not the answer. Laws anywhere always relate to the owners as they could hardly relate to the dogs. TRNC doesn't have any and iIbelieve that is what we are all getting at.

Pokerman



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:50

puppy lover... i take it you now get the name thing?



To give you a clue - apart from Genghis's rant, his name provoked my response in msg: 11

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:53

chessman you have got my point, killing the dogs in question is seen as the only answer with the absence of laws, so who dont all the so called dog lovers do something positive about it instead of whining all the time?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:53

now i see the problem is identifying these dogs and owners.

if all dogs in the trnc were microchipped then if they were loose or caused a accident someone could be held responsible.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:58

Genghis



Now that this has become a more positive thread, what would be your ideas? Pragmatic ones, of course.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:05

hi genghis i dont think it should be closed down but you seem to be in the know how an alternative charity or department should be set up, as i said they are overworked and reply on unpaitd volunteers all i asked was what percentage is for charity and what percebtage for wages and is it taxed by the governmemt and what is their take, maybe something could be done by the government to have a state run charity. I beleive KAR gets funding from the RSPCA perhaps a few officers patrolling may elivtiate the poison problems. Education is neeed. these poor things are treated as bad as they are in china. if you have any suggestions let us know as i would willing start an action group

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:06

Genghis, firstly I will deal with your name ...stupid hunt seems appropriate to me., now onto your downright spiteful and nasty post to those who have done nothing but rehome and feed these poor defenceless ill treated souls, how bloody dare you tell me that KAR get off their backsides, all they do is cream it in and refuse to take in strays etc... and yes I agree with lilli, I would love to see the books for this charity but I expect we never will, I wonder if they have ever published their accounts as all charities in the UK are accountable.



The remedy is a government sponsored compound with a few dog wardens going around picking up the strays, those then that want to can donate to help with the feeding etc.



Did you know that KAR refuse to take dogs unless a healthy donation is made first, some bloody charity. continued

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:08

The film "Porky's" is where his the name comes.

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:09

Chessman i think the ideas should come from the dog lovers themselves and once agreed the government should be lobbied. less whining and more action this way less people would be effected by the strays and noisy dogs and less would be poisoned

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:10

Whilst I accept the poisoning will continue and if we are being pedantic it is not murder in the absolute sense, it is still an extremely painful ending for a dog who lets face didnt ask to be brought into the world so deserves better treatment.



Culling is the answer and I have been saying this for months now but I am told by the bleeding heart liberal brigade that it is against policy, I have asked whose policy but not one of these KAR supporting muppets has had the decency to answer me.



So get off your high horse and tell us exactly what you damn well do to contribute!!!!

Pokerman



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:12

some dogs are a problem thats is true, but you can't go around throwing poison in peoples gardens causing a slow and painful death - what is more concerning is that as well as dogs i have two small children that play in the garden. Of course we watch them but what if they eat a piece a poisoned meat - i dread the thought. But if this keeps going on it is only a matter of time before its a child that eats the poison. Then it would be murder... the government must act on this issue now



Pokerman

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:15

Another thing IMO KAR should be shut down but replaced as I have already said by a government run dog compound...





KAR don't want this problem solved, why stop the gravy boat hmmmm...charity, charity begins at home, how true that is...

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:18

why dont chemist, which sell these poisons have to take id from the purchasers



it will take a child to get killed before anythink is done???

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:20

the personal insults contine, such jolly nice people you dog lovers are. At no point have i condoned the poisoning i have simply stated that it will continue unless you lot do something positive to remedy the problem instead of pretending to be caring people,then making personal insults. I have no high horse but i will speak the truth which is obviously not welcome among dog lovers, grow up.

denizkisi


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 196

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:20

Until culling is allowed (Vets here won't destroy a healthy dog) the strays will continue to be a problem, both on the roads and forming packs in villages. The other problem is a reluctance to neuter coupled with a desire by the owners to breed, keep one pup (possibly) and chuck the rest out!! What is needed is education at school on dog ownership. Poison is a terrible way to get rid of the dogs and very cruel. The alternative (in my opinion) is culling, as KAR have no choice but to return neutered dogs back to the streets, where they form packs and create havoc.

aripointer


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 189

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:21

I know KAR are talking to the goverment to get the poison that kills the annimals banned. As I understand the poison is imported, so it would be easy for the goverment to revoke the suppliers import licence.



In the meantime. What shops are selling the poison? Once identified. Tell the owner of the shop by selling the poison the suffering being caused to the poor annimals.



NAME AND SHAME ALL THE SHOPS SELLING THE POISON ON THIS BOARD!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:21

Genghis



Ah, that's a cop out mate. It's your thread so you must have some idea as to what you would like to see. I don't know if you have children but the consequences for them, as a result of this liberal use of poisoning doesn't bear thinking about. Do you feel that the current answer to this problem ,in the absence of legislation, is to continue the poisoning? If not, suggestions of how we, as individuals, could improve the situation effectively would be welcome. (I am not being sarcastic btw)

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:28

msg 44, you annoyed me the other day and I didnt respond, to day I will, you are a complete and utter muppet...dont tell me KAR don't have a choice, ppl like you make me damn sick, KAR are a bloody disgrace and should be government controlled immediately, they throw these poor dogs back onto the streets to encourage more donations from the bleeding heart brigade who mostly do not live here..



They should kull or be shut down, these poor dogs are in danger and are dangerous.



Oh I forgot we mustn't change tradition now must we, go away and get an education in animal welfare.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:28

Deepcyprus4

perhaps if you got off your keyboard and went to the KAR AGM you could have read the Accounts or go to the Office and ask to see them instead of just continually criticse them. Constructive criticism would be more acceptable. Your continual anti KAR stance is quite pathetic. I asked you on the dog poisoning thread wether you would like to go and volunteer to work for KAR with all your suggestions how they should run their organisation, surely it would be more useful than just keeping coming on this board and complaining, perhaps you might just learn about the problems they have and have just a bit more appreciation of what they are trying to do. I note you have ignored the posting , I wonder why?

Why should they just take in healthy dogs that owners just cannot be bothered to look after them and not receive a donation for their upkeep. Cream it in! every lira raised goes to the animals and kennel staff who work there. Why don't you volunteer and help raise some money.

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:30

chessman as i say i dont condone it in any way but it will continue to happen. Im not copping out as this problem does not effect me personally but if a contreversial and very popular post on this site can get people together to try to solve the problem then as i see it everyone benefits, dog owners or pestered neighbours or motorists with accident damaged cars

denizkisi


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 196

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:31

Problem is, its so EASY to just just poison down, go home, shut the door and Bobs your Uncle - problem solved!! How much more, in your face - so to speak is rounding them up and shooting them? This killing of dogs by poison is maybe the only way (some people) feel they can sort the problem? Maybe if enough people ask the local authorities to round up the dogs and shoot them it would solve the problem? Awful I know, but until indescriminate breeding and the "no kill" (official) stance is changed - the poisoners will continue won't they?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:33

Quarmy I have not ignored you I answered you and will copy and post it here also



'Quarmby do you honestly think I would help to line the pockets of this so called charity, that would make me no better than them, I do what I can as do many others at personal cost...what do you do? apart from reveal secrets and ask other too!'



Now to continue, if everyone that works for KAR is voluntary why do they get paid?



They should not pick and choose which dogs they take, that is not a charity, that is a business...obviously this is something you clearly dont understand, I have to take a call from my grandson but I will return

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:39

deecyprus you seem to have a real attitude problem, funny time of life is it?

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:41

I have just read your Msg 47, you are just a wind up merchant. Anyone with an ounce of common sense realises that its this Government with its total lack of interest in solving the stray animal problem, so you in all your wisdom you want the Government to control the system! where are you coming from? Its comparable to giving an arsonist a box of matches.Doh!!! You insulting remarks re KAR are deplorable to a hard working bunch of volunteers, why not come and join them I am sure they would welcome your wisdom, not.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:49

Genghis



Your suggestion was that dog owners should do something but you yourself haven't been able to assist with ideas and you started the thread. (that's not a criticism) So raising the subject hasn't really resolved anything further as dog owners are doing what they can. We can 'potter around the edges' but unless there is significant legislation with a proper structure in place it will be a long process. However, poisoning is not the answer as it doesn't get anywhere to resolving a problem the poisoner perceives. He/they may have other motives, perhaps.



Anyway, good 'talking' to you and believe it or not I am off home to walk the dog!



p.s you have been initiated. You have 'met' our Dee!

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:50

If i was a dog and had to choose between poison and being shot, i would take being shot, its quick and fast, no long lingering painfull dealth, much more humane.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:50

Msg 51

Get your facts right before spouting off. who told you all workers at Kar work for nothing? the Kennel staff work up to 7 days a week and a full day. Would you be prepard to work all that time for nothing? Many of the workers are locals.

You say you would not work for them, that's just a kop out

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:50

Genghis appears to have come on here to provoke. Poisoning doesn't come in two categories, it's indiscriminate, that's the point, especially if thrown in someone's garden which is outrageous. I have never expressed a bad opinion about KAR, they are limited as to what they can do, and stray dogs do not belong to KAR, as my wife thinks, they are sad symptoms of this society which does not hold dogs in the same reverence that we do. In my experience, it is the local population which tends to leave their dogs chained up outside at night to howl. I don't condemn them for it but it is a nuisance if you live next door. I've a feeling "Genghis" is a Brit up to mischief.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:02

Listen quarmby, how many times do I need to tell you I do not support KAR and have no desire to either, they do a dreadful job imo...



One minute you are singing the praises of the 'volunteers' now you are saying they get paid..get your facts right and go away, I do what I do with the animals this so called charity refuse to help. no go away.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:03

Yes stupid hunt I do have a attitude problem when it comes to neglected and ill treated dogs..I wouldnt have if it were you tho, I would just

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:08

No mischeif frontalman just pointing out that there is an issue here and there are too many armchair whingers. I don't agree the poisonings are indescriminate and there is some plot to wipe out the islands dog population for no reason,i think you will find the poisonings are done for what some people consider to be good reason. Look at the response this post has attracted,there is obvioulsy strong feeling but no body who has been or could be effected is prepared to do anything about it except moan. Typical Birt attitude in my opinion

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:09

Msg 50 The 'no kill' stance you say is official, what proof do you have of that cos that is not what I have been told.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:11

Genghis how dare you tell us, the ones who do help that we do nothing, what exactly do you do?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:13

The armchair whingers are the ones who praise KAR from the comfort of their homes in the UK..get out of here..you are a nasty piece of work, clearly not a dog lover so you must work for KAR!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:15

I'm gone now as I am out this evening...goodnight to all those who care about the dog situation here.

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:16

deecyprus, more personal insults? Calm down dear, glad i'm not mr deecyprus4

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:19

not as glad as i am

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:19

Msg 58

telling me to go away ? i think you are losing the argument, unfortunately you appear to deliberately side step points that have been put to you. I am in full praise of the volunteers and I commend those paid staff, is that more politically correct for you?



Go and ask the vets why they will not put healthy animals down. Do not make out it is the fault of KAR. You have been told this on numerous occasions but somehow you are having difficulty getting your head around this, have you got a problem?

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:20

bye bye deecyprus4 and have a nice evening,



Genghis......I have deleted the last part of your message as I feel it is totally inappropriate.



Moderator......puppylover

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:24

Oh Genghis you are so funny,NOT.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:30

WOOF ! WOOF !

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:36

Lighten up the-wicks, i notice all you have done is have a go at me, what positive contribution do you have?

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:42

Devils's Advocate time!



Surely we are discussing a 'Cultural' situation here?



In parts of India Cows are sacred, in the UK we are happy to kill & eat them.

In parts of the Far East dogs are bred for food.

Many European Countries still eat horse.

Whale & Dolphin steaks in Japan?

Frogs & Snails?



In many Mediterranean and middle East Countries, feral dogs and cats are seen as vermin.



Us Brits may have taken dogs & cats as being almost 'family' members, whilst being happy to put down poison to kill rats or mice, ants or cockroaches.



Do we believe in the sanctity of life or not??



I like Goats and Deer, but have eaten both recently. Both were delicious.



Double standards?







p.s. In the UK we have bred our 'family' pet dogs and cats with severe health disabilities purely for looks. Is that humanitarian?



p.p.s. Our lovely 12 yr old Bearded Collie died 2 months ago after a 2 yr battle with cancer. We and our kids cried buckets.



ROB

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:43

I've been on this board for 19 months not 19 minutes so maybe my contributions to the board over that time have been more positive than you've managed in an afternoon.

P

Cypfan


Joined: 10/10/2008
Posts: 104

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:52

Genghis:



"Typical Birt attitude in my opinion."



I'm unaware of any director general of the BBC expressing a view on dogs, let alone "Dalek".

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:01

Wicks, you may have been on here for 19 months and posted 641 time but you still haven't contributed anything positive to a problem that is obviously close to your hearts. Quite sad really, but hey youve got four stars for your troubles, quite an achievement really!

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:05

Genghis---Dont worry at the rate your posting you will have your second star before the night is out !

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:08

Message 75 - this is an average of just over 19 postings per month.

You have posted 17 times in less than 24 hours.

Now THAT's quite an achievement, I'd say.



J

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:11

I guess im just a popular guy eh? Still nothing constructive to say?

Genghis


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:23

i wonder how many of you dog lovers are poisoning dogs yourselves http://www.vetrica.com/care/dog/chocolate.shtml

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:36

Yeah - that's what responsible dog owners do - poison our pets with overdoses of chocolate. Idiot.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:42

hi quarmby if every lira goes to the welfare of the animals how do the top staff get paid thier very nice salaries is that from the RSPCA and what they get in donations here for the welfare. they would not show thier accounts at the last meeting. we would love to form an action group to stop a the sale of poison, messages in turkish warning the pepertratiors but even the police turn a blind eye. they want a tourism destanation who would come to a place where wild life is being killed off by these acts. its not just dogs and cats it affects. I know Mrs Ray does speak to the government but where is the action. A government controlled pound and wardens. I agree the VOLUNTEERS do a sterling job with limited resources.

rowan


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:43

I would like to add a few things to the "debate"

any one who wishes to know the finacial situation of KAR should attend the AGM, which is open to the public and was held recently, after being advertised in the local press.



there is a policy here of not destroying healthy animals, not matter whate their age or temperament



KAR can only do so much, they are not the national welfare association (there isnt one) and no matter what they do, not everyone will agree with their policies. Neutering and returning seems to be the best option with the present policies, but maybe efforts should be made to change the current thinking of keeping dogs,long-term in the centre when they have no hope of re-homing and taking some of the street dogs who may have a chance.



We have been recently been adopted by two starving dogs, little more than puppies themselves, and although I did not want a dog, let alone two, they seem to have landed on their paws!!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:49

gengis msg 60 the reasonbecause we bxxxxy well cant who would listen. what would they do in the USA where you live. think of all those pampered pooches. Do you really think the government would hear our voice when they are driving the expats away and taxing the others to the hilt. we stand a lot of chance.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:53

robnjo

you have a good point there about dog breeding.

i think the kennel club actually encourages puppy farming.

where would they be without it?



at the moment the shar pei clubs are lobbying them.

they have said that any dog that has to have an eye tack cannot be shown.

the argument is one of health, as people will be reluctant to have eye tacking done because of it, endangering the dogs sight.

another point is that they always had wrinkley faces, are k.c trying to change the breed, away from the origional standards.

which the americans have done in recent years.

some dogs in the breed are affected by it and some not.



so they penalise the whole breed because of a few bad breeders, who breed for money and not the love of there breed.

there are other ways which they could deal with it, but wouldn't because it would cost them money, by loosing them customers.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:55

hi rowan well done you did you find them by pine bay as i was feeding two there and havent been able to find them in over a week take care xxx

livethedream


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 19:56

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